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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The Sword Project has done some pretty
awesome things in open source Bible study software over the years.
Taking more than 12 years to release a NASB module in any form is
not one of them.<br>
<br>
1) Yeah, it is a duplication of effort, but I have a scripted
solution to turn Lockman's unique XML-like source into
USFX/USFM/OSIS/etc., and have done so for 4 of their translations
(NASB95, Amplified, NBLA, LBLA).<br>
2) My scripted solution supports their entire data set (footnotes,
cross references, Strong's numbers).<br>
3) The result works with most major SWORD/JSword front ends EXCEPT
that PocketSword's index generator has not been running. (I expect
that to be done soon if it is going to happen at all. If it isn't,
then that front end is not relevant.)<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, lacking a legal distribution outlet for those for
Sword modules, I just let the output sit all by itself on my
computer, where nobody can read it. Of course, I never asked them
for permission for distribution on eBible.org. I just worked on
those Bibles for the Digital Bible Society to put them into
InScript format, because they already had permission for that. The
resulting Sword modules were just a side-effect of the automation
of Haiola. I plan to remedy that. <b>Tomorrow, I plan to ask the
Lockman Foundation for permission to distribute the NASB for
free from eBible.org</b> in various formats, including Sword.
Please pray for favor. If they go for it, great! If not, long live
the WEB, ESV, God's Word, KJV, ASV, etc.! English speakers can
read the Holy Bible in Sword front ends with a reasonable choice
of translations.<br>
<br>
By the way, I have good source for the NIV, HCSB, and MEV, too,
also from processing DBS InScript modules. I could release them in
Sword format within an hour of solid work if I had permission to
do so, BUT some things are slower than we are, like getting
permission from some organizations to post their copyrighted
translations. Actually, I would give us better than even odds of
getting permission to post the Modern English Version if we asked
properly. The MEV is an update of the KJV that sticks pretty close
to it, but with a little more modern English than the NKJV.<br>
<br>
Hopefully this is more constructive than just beating each other
up for taking so long. This "can" will either get kicked down the
road or thrown into the recycling bin, soon.<br>
<br>
On 01/06/2016 12:04 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:0870DBC3-2B57-44FC-99D5-6080C323A980@crosswire.org"
type="cite">I hesitate to even respond to this thread, as none of
this kicks the can down the road, but... I believe some of the
issue has to do with typical open source volunteer problems.
Specifically, in this case, none of the pumpkin holders was
satisfied to build on their predecessors' code. I originally made
the initial co version in C++. My script is versioned in the
sword-tools repo. I'm not sure what Chris did. I know DM rewrote
the conversion in Java, and it sounds like Greg has again
rewritten the conversion in Python. It is not a matter of
perfection before release. It is a matter of basic satisfaction of
the three items I have listed and we have not attainted basic
satisfaction yet.<br>
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Troy<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On January 6, 2016 2:51:55 PM MST, "Matěj
Cepl" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mcepl@cepl.eu"><mcepl@cepl.eu></a> wrote:
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<pre class="k9mail">On 2016-01-06, 18:53 GMT, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> This is a commercial module to be sold by Lockman. That is
a different scenario from other modules. For this module,
I have reasonably asked:
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I didn’t like Karl’s tone last time the flamewar went around,
but I have to admit he is right. Whatever you say is suspicious
because of one argument: “Twelve years”.
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> 1) That we have a scripted, reproducible way to transform
their data from their pristine source to a module.
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Yes, what’s the problem? Whom you asked for help (e.g., I have
developed completely automatic conversion of CzeCSP from one XML
to OSIS, and it didn’t take me twelve years to do it)? Twelve
years.
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> 2) That we support their entire dataset which they have given
us for this module (base text + footnotes / crossrefs
+ lexica)
</blockquote>
Yes, I have CzeCSP with footnotes, crossrefs, and notes. Twelve
years.
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> 3) That the result works generally in all major SWORD/JSword
frontends.
</blockquote>
What are the problems? Where are the bugs? Where is the progress
on development of the module recorded? I would be willing to buy
the module, if that was required to work on it. Twelve years.
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> It is not as simple as-- just release it and fix it later.
This is to be sold by Lockman.
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What do you mean? I work for Red Hat. We sell software in tune
of some, let's say, two billions of USD. Of course, we don’t
expect it to absolutely perfect and bug-free. If there are bugs
in the module, we can certainly provide a fix. Where is the
alpha version, how do you plan to make QA working? Twelve years.
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Historically, we have had at least 4 people own this effort
over the years. It is not simply that one person has sat on
this and hasn't finished it for 12 years.
</blockquote>
Yes, so where are products of work of all these people? What did
they do? I mean, I honestly believe that some work was done, but
without some presentation of the results, how can we know what's
done? Here “Twelve years” makes it even more difficult to be
persuaded.
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> I think we are close. In my mind, the current owner (Greg)
simply needs to have a list of outstanding items which keep us
from satisfying 1-3 and push each of them down the road until
they are done.
</blockquote>
And where is that list? That is my question.
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> I don't know what those items are. I am just concerned that
we meet 1-3 before we give the data to Lockman to sell and
I feel these 3 items are reasonable requests.
</blockquote>
I don't think Lockman expects the work to be ever done at this
point, but that's another thing. If they do, they have my
admiration (or something else).
However, if you (or Lockman) expect that you will hand over
finished absolutely prefect module and Lockman will never ever
see you (or anybody from the Sword project) again, than I think
you are sorely mistaken. Unless of course they are prepared to
maintain the module themselves. After all, even NASB itself is
(according to Wikipedia) in its tenth edition.
Blessings,
Matěj
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