<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>FYI -- item came up on another mailing list. </div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">It appears that recently USFM tagging completely ignores the return character in many places, and validates only on the start of another tag. </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;">That is, USFM2OSIS apparently considers something like (regex)</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>\\id (...)(.+$) </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;">to be the ID field; <span style="background-color: transparent;">while ParaTExt USFM now considers something more like</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>\\id (...)([^\]+) </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">to be the ID field. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">( \1 = machine readable Bible book ID for import, \2= Optional human readable text explaining what the file is.) </span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family:
HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">Further discussion describes this 'ignore-return-trend' is appearing around other tags as well, with chapters starting without a return after the end of the last verse.... </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div id="divExpHdr" style="height: 47px; width: auto; position: relative; cursor: pointer; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><img src="https://outlook.tblusa.org/owa/14.3.158.1/themes/resources/clear1x1.gif" class="csimg csimgbg sprites-hdiv-l-png" id="divDividerLeft" style="overflow: hidden; background-image:
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text-overflow: ellipsis; overflow: hidden; white-space: nowrap; position: absolute; width: auto; left: 0px; right: 216px; bottom: 15px;"><span id="spnSender" class="rwRRO" _e_ondblclick="onDblClkReadRcp(event);" _e_onclick="onClkRcp(event);" _e_oncontextmenu="onRwCm(event);" _fjnk="1" _dn="PTSupporters" _rt="SMTP" _em="ptsupporters-bounces@ubs-icap.org" _ao="3" title="ptsupporters-bounces@ubs-icap.org on behalf of Robert_Hunt@sil.org" style="cursor: pointer; font-size: 15pt;">Robert Hunt wrote: </span></div></div><div id="divSelDisplay" class="" style="position: relative; z-index: 0; top: -18px; padding-right: 15px; padding-bottom: 1px; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div id="divBrTxtOnExpansion" style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204); font-style: italic; cursor: pointer; position: relative; margin-bottom: 5px;"></div><div id="divRws"><div id="divWellTo" class="roWellRow" style="width: 710px; margin: 2px 0px;
overflow: hidden; min-width: 20em;"><div id="divToL" class="roWellLabel pvwLabel" style="vertical-align: top; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); float: left; margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; line-height: 18px; font-weight: bold; font-size: 8.25pt; width: 72px;"><span class="nowrap" style="white-space: nowrap;">To:</span></div><div class="roWellWrap" style="max-height: 5.3em; overflow-y: auto; overflow-x: hidden; margin: 0px 10px 0px 0px; line-height: 18px; font-size: 8.25pt;"><div id="divFieldTo" class="wellField" style="width: auto; overflow: hidden;"><div id="divFH" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden; top: -1000px; font-size: 11px;"></div><div id="divTo" class="rwW rwWRO" style="overflow: hidden; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; border: 0px none transparent; cursor: text; word-wrap: break-word; word-break: break-all; text-overflow: ellipsis; color: rgb(153, 153, 153);"> <span id="spnR" _e_oncontextmenu="onRwCm(event);"
_e_ondblclick="onDblClkReadRcp(event);" _e_onclick="onClkRcp(event);" class="rwRRO" _ao="3" _rf="0" _rt="SMTP" _em="ptsupporters@ubs-icap.org" title="ptsupporters@ubs-icap.org" _sa="ptsupporters@ubs-icap.org" _dn="Paratext Supporters" style="color: rgb(64, 140, 217); white-space: nowrap; cursor: pointer;">Paratext Supporters </span></div></div></div></div></div><div id="divWellAttach" class="roWellRow roAttMrg" style="width: 710px; margin: 0px 0px 2px; overflow: hidden; min-width: 20em;"><div id="divAttachL" class="roCatAttWellLabel pvwLabel" style="vertical-align: middle; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); float: left; margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; line-height: 18px; font-weight: bold; font-size: 8.25pt; width: 72px;">Attachments:</div><div class="roWellWrap rowAttMaxH" style="max-height: 5.3em; overflow-y: auto; overflow-x: hidden; margin: 0px 10px 0px 0px; line-height: 18px; font-size: 8.25pt;"><div id="divFieldAttach" class="wellField" style="width: auto;
overflow: hidden;"><div id="divAtch" class="awRO" _iseventattach="1" style="width: 622px; background-color: transparent; border: 0px none transparent; line-height: 17px;"><span id="spnAtmt" tabindex="-1" _sid="RgAAAACKnVLk3KHlQb2CNmwbPdnHBwA8IP2dR8gaTbQMqHFWZgBSAAAActAZAAA8IP2dR8gaTbQMqHFWZgBSAAAVfsiSAAAJ" _attid="BAAAAAAA" _level="3" _attname="ATT00001.txt" _attsize="231" _fisitem="False" _protectable="0" style="cursor: pointer;"><a class="lnkClickAtmt" id="lnkAtmt" _fallwcm="1" href="https://outlook.tblusa.org/owa/#" target="_blank" _e_onclick="atLnk(event, 3, 0);" title="ATT00001.txt" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(64, 140, 217);"><img src="https://outlook.tblusa.org/owa/14.3.158.1/themes/resources/clear1x1.gif" class="csimg csimgbg sprites-dc-txt-gif" style="border-width: 0px; overflow: hidden; width: 16px; height: 16px; background-image: url(https://outlook.tblusa.org/owa/14.3.158.1/themes/base/csssprites2.png); vertical-align: bottom;
margin: 0px 2px 0px 0px; background-position: -108px -156px;">ATT00001.txt (231 B)</a></span></div></div></div></div><div id="divExpSubHdr" style="position: relative; height: 14px; padding-top: 7px; width: 710px;"><div id="divSubFs" style="position: absolute; left: 0px; right: 250px;"><div id="divFs" style="position: absolute; left: 0px; right: 0px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-size: 7.5pt;"><div class="divTx" style="text-overflow: ellipsis; overflow: hidden; white-space: nowrap; position: absolute;"> </div></div></div><div id="divSubSent" style="position: absolute; right: 0px; width: 250px; text-align: right; bottom: 2px;"><span id="spnSent" style="font-size: 7.5pt; padding: 0px 0px 0px 5px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:43 AM</span></div></div></div><div id="divBdy" class="bdyItmPrt" _fallwcm="1" style="font-size: 16px; word-wrap: break-word; width: auto; overflow: hidden; position: relative; top: -5px;
padding: 0px 15px 15px 0px; clear: both; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Dear all,<br><br> With increasing pressure to get Bibles and even partial Bibles onto mobile devices these days, there is lots of interest in converting from Paratext/USFM files to other formats. <a href="https://outlook.tblusa.org/owa/redir.aspx?C=uF6tZoPryESH1yaE7W0snDg8eAhjydAIuniVydqnEu6X8J0zEHxq1IQZAzmiYDgcr33HTqwWsio.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.crosswire.org%2findex.jsp" target="_blank">Crosswire Bible Society</a> have the Sword Project which has its own binary format for Bible modules which are readable by "<a href="https://outlook.tblusa.org/owa/redir.aspx?C=uF6tZoPryESH1yaE7W0snDg8eAhjydAIuniVydqnEu6X8J0zEHxq1IQZAzmiYDgcr33HTqwWsio.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.crosswire.org%2fapplications.jsp" target="_blank">front-ends</a>" on many operating systems, including Windows, Linux, Android, etc. However, the current Crosswire
usfm2osis.py converter chokes on the following:<br><div style="margin: 14pt 30pt;">\id 1TH My test version \mt2 The first letter of Paul to the<br>\mt1 Corinthians<br>\c 1<br>\s Paul introduces himself<br>\p<br>\v 1 Hi there, I'm Paul.<br></div>In reading the USFM spec, I can't find confirmation that markers like \mt2 MUST start on a new line. The closest that I can see is:<br><div style="margin: 14pt 30pt;">Most paragraph or poetic markers (like \p, \m, \q# etc.) can be followed immediately by<br>a verse number (\v) on a new line.<br></div>All examples, however, do show these (what I call "newline markers") on new lines.<br><br>However, I notice that the last few Paratext versions have a tendency to pop some markers and their text up onto the end of the previous line. I'm pretty sure that PT6 didn't do this. I don't think this is an intentional feature, but seems to be either a bug or some kind of weird side-effect. (It happens often enough that I
don't think the user can be blamed for it, especially the way \c markers pop onto the previous line, but of course because Paratext usually displays by chapter, the user can't even see that without changing view mode.)<br><br>So anyway, I have a few questions:<br><ol style="margin-top: 14pt; margin-bottom: 14pt;"><li>Do you agree that these types of markers (\mt2, \c, \q1) should/must start on a new line?</li><li>If so, would it be good to make that clear in the USFM standard (or did I miss something)?<br></li><li>Is having these markers pop up to the end of the previous line a known bug in Paratext?</li><li>Is there any way in Paratext to automatically fix this in the USFM files?</li><li>Does the Pathway code handle files like this better than the Crosswire converter?</li></ol><div style="margin-top: 14pt; margin-bottom: 14pt;">Thanks,<br>Robert.</div></div></div></body></html>