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Agreed - they are in many Greek texts, though absent from those which are
regarded as earlier texts. <br>
As a result, most modern versions omit them - including the New King
James! <br>
They shouldn't be treated like Red letter or Section titles, because they
are part of the text, and if they are included by a version, the reader
shouldn't have the choice of not seeing them. <br><br>
However, it would be useful to have a marker to warn the program whether
they are present or not, to help with interlinears etc. <br><br>
David IB<br><br>
At 16:56 03/06/2013, DM Smith wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Note, the colophons in the KJV
are from the underlying Greek text.<br><br>
In Him,<br>
DM<br><br>
On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Chris Burrell
<<a href="mailto:chris@burrell.me.uk">chris@burrell.me.uk</a>>
wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">For clarity, my use case is as
follows. <br><br>
I have a menu displaying options such as Verse numbers, Headings, Verses
on New Lines, Red letters. I'd like to add an option called Introductions
(and perhaps one called Colophon).<br><br>
The options in this menu are grayed out when the underlying module
doesn't support this. If the option is grayed out, I add an explanation
as to why that is (e.g. the module doesn't support it, or 1 option is not
compatible with another option that is already selected, etc.)<br><br>
The availability of the options is uniquely dependant on which version of
the Bible or Commentary a user has selected. If a user selects a
different module, the options available to him are updated automatically.
For example, a user is clearly aware that most of the Old Testament
doesn't have a Red Letter option. He might however work mainly from the
ESV and want his frontend to show Jesus's words in red when they are in
the text, so he sets up the option once. <br><br>
At this stage, we don't care about what passage/text a user is going to
lookup. We can't guess what's in his mind! And we can certainly not guess
what he's going to lookup tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, next month,
next year.<br><br>
This is the same for Introductions & Colophons. He might decide he's
never interested in seeing Introductions and Colophons and want to turn
them off completely. Or on the other hand he might want to turn them on
all the time because he is always interested in them. <br><br>
But a toggle button available to turn the introductions on/off is pretty
pointless if the module doesn't have any. In actual fact, it's pretty
annoying because it looks like there may be a bug, since in the ASV
toggling this option never makes a difference. In the same way a toggle
button to turn red letters on/off for the ASV is pretty useless as
well.<br><br>
It should be obvious by now that having Sword/JSword being able to tell a
frontend whether or not Introductions are contained within a module is a
big plus to what we have now.<br><br>
Chris<br><br>
<br><br>
On 3 June 2013 07:26, Chris Burrell
<<a href="mailto:chris@burrell.me.uk">chris@burrell.me.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>One could apply your reasoning for every option we have in the Conf
file so far. <br><br>
<dd>Headings, notes, cross references, strongs, morphology... A verse or
chapter is not guaranteed to contain any of these. You still need to
check for non empty cross references for example if your frontend is
displaying them in a separate pane. Same as strong numbers if you're
doing interlinears. <br><br>
<dd>The option doesn't guarantee anything. It's there to indicate a
module supports a particular features. It's at least that was my
understanding. <br><br>
<dd>Isn't the whole point of the options to allow the user to set up his
preferred view for reading the Bible so that as he goes from one chapter
to another he doesn't need to click options on and off as they randomly
appear. <br><br>
<dd>Please do tell how I'm supposed to identify whether a Bible has
introductions without reading the whole Bible. <br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
<dd>Chris<br>
</font>
<dd>On 2 Jun 2013 22:48, "Chris Little"
<<a href="mailto:chrislit@crosswire.org">chrislit@crosswire.org</a>
> wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>On 6/2/2013 9:23 AM, Chris Burrell wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Hi<br><br>
<dd>Some books have Bible introductions. Can I suggest adding a flag to
the<br>
<dd>conf file to indicate this is the case? In the similar mindset as
a<br>
<dd>previous post, I'd prefer being able to query the conf file for
features<br>
<dd>of a particular module rather than having to read part of the module
and<br>
<dd>hope for that particular book/chapter to have an introduction. A
yes/no<br>
<dd>flag in the .conf file would be helpful.<br><br>
<dd>(In particular, I have in mind the book introductions that are part
of<br>
<dd>the ESV text). But no doubt other modules will also (or in the
future<br>
<dd>will also) have the same aspects.<br><br>
<dd>Chris<br><br>
</dl><br>
<dd>I would say no. This doesn't add anything.<br><br>
<dd>Identifying that a module possesses introductions at some level does
not indicate that it possesses all of the introductions at that level.
Accordingly, knowing that a module possesses introductions still requires
checking for non-empty contents in order to know that a particular
introduction is non-empty.<br><br>
<dd>This is along the lines of the request for a Scope .conf entry, which
was already rejected. Whatever solution is used for that case can also be
used for introductions.<br><br>
<dd>--Chris<br><br>
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