<p dir="ltr">I think we've got the answers across multiple threads. DM answers your question in my thread. others in other threads. </p>
<p dir="ltr">1. All modules are fair game for sword front ends to use and display.</p>
<p dir="ltr">2. Modifying modules and/or redistributing is not allowed for modules marked as Copyrighted permission granted CrossWire</p>
<p dir="ltr">3. Conf files are occasionally inconsistent in the copyright field and therefore setting up mirrors is strongly discouraged as mirror owners may well end up hosting modules illegally. This threatens the ongoing relationship between CrossWire and the publishers. </p>
<p dir="ltr">4. Modifying modules in general is discouraged as a lonesome task as there are often tools used to generate these modules and therfore the source may not be available to the keen module editor. There may also be extra restrictions on this modules which restrict the type of modifications, e.g. adding strong numbers</p>
<p dir="ltr">5. As a result of 4, everyone is encouraged to contact Chris L to find out who the 'owner' of a module is before making any modifications but will then be encouraged to participate is circumstances allow. </p>
<p dir="ltr">6. Sword and JSword so not cope well with repositories hosting the same module. This is a further reason for discouraging the instalation of Mirrors for public use. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Hope that is a good summary of the discussion so far.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Chris</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 7 Jan 2013 17:59, "Andrew Thule" <<a href="mailto:thulester@gmail.com">thulester@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM, DM Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmsmith@crosswire.org" target="_blank">dmsmith@crosswire.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">No, we cannot publish the terms of licensing agreements. Think about it. These are confidential, privileged contracts between organizations.<br>
</blockquote><div> </div><div>Umm, with software Licenses, Acceptable Use Policies, Copyright Restrictions and Copyright limitations are not typically priviledge ..</div><div> </div><div>The contractual agreement itself may be, but License for use, especially in public forums is not, otherwise how can you come down so hard on someone like me for trying to abide by licensing agreement when those agreements are not know?</div>
<div> </div><div>You're saying on the one had I have to abide by Crosswire's agreement with the Copyright Owner and on the other hand I cannot know what those provisions are. </div><div> </div><div>I think if you check the contract, you'll see the actually license agreement as an Appendix or something of that sort for this very reason.</div>
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</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">The contracts are dictated by the publishers. When asked what they need to say, we provide the broadest description of what they need to say at minimum, but we don't ever suggest particular wording or terms. If the terms are unacceptable to us, we communicate that clearly and let them either amend their terms or withdraw the module.<br>
</blockquote><div>Yes, true, however Crosswire as the licensee is not dealing with paper, but with digital forms of the text, so presumably as the licensee you've worked through some of the issues related to dealing with 'digial format'. At least your this recent business between Chris, Peter and I suggests that this is the case.</div>
<div> </div><div>Although the terms of Crosswire license to use of these Copyright works are not clear to me (dispite what Chris and Peter would have you believe) because I've seen no such terms, they are apparently clear to Chris and Peter. I have no trouble believing Chris and Peter have seen them, or they wouldn't be calling me to account.</div>
<div> </div><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
We only need to prove our assertion with the publishers. Which we have do on occasion.<br></blockquote><div>Agreed.</div><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
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The wording of your request is inviting a "go pound sand" response. Please be careful in how you word things.<br>
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</blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra">DM, I will be careful how I word things because such advice is always prudent advice.</div><div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra">That said, I deny I was telling anyone to 'pound sand'. I am disappointed at the way my character, purpose, and contribution is contantly maligned in these discussions. It send the signal that 'new-comers' and their ideas are not welcome here dispite the claim this is an open community. This treatment on the part of some is not uniform by any means.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra">However the method of dealing with conflict among Christian's is covered in the bible, and my disappointment stems from the idea that not all who engage in these disagreements make efforts to disagree on biblical principles. (I assume everyone here is a Christian).</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra">For example, I am particularly disappointed that I was accused of breaking Crosswire's licensing restrictions, yet no one has bothered to either publically name one module that was available at my repo that should have been, or provide access to Crosswire's license as evidence this was wrong.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra">If Crosswire has legitimate license to distribution Copyright text and is going to use this license agreement like a hammer, it's not unrasonable to ask that it be made public, otherwise it has no right to defer to it in issues of disagreement.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra">~A</div></div>
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