<div dir="ltr"><div>Yes, exactly Chris.<br><br>Both Chris and Peter have publicly
accused me of breaking the law (thus tarnishing my reputation, and sullied my efforts to contribute). This implies I've breeched the terms of Crosswire's licensing agreement with the ISV foundation as the Copyright owner. What exactly is the agreement Crosswire's reached with the ISV Foundation, and what are its terms (since I've apparently broken them)? Is Crosswire's legal right to distribute Copyright text on behalf of the ISV foundation even covered by a license agreement? Does this agreement's terms extend to module developers who volunteer to assist, or not? If no such Licensing Agreement exists between the Copyright owner and Crosswire, I am not only innocent of the charges Peter and Chris have accused me of that I have broken some law, I have been falsely accused (and my reputation sullied wrongfully), but those levelling accusations against me are hypocrites for accusing me of these things, while themselves making false claims.<br>
<br>Furthermore, if Crosswire itself doesn't have actual licensing agreements with the Copyright owners proving it possesses distribution rights, it doesn't in fact have legal right to distribute texts despite the licensing claim contained in the .conf files. In this case it has no right to castigate me for believing such a permissions exists protecting Crosswire developers (and this is also plain hypocrisy). This same logic applies to all of the modules Crosswire claims exclusive rights to. For each module this claim is made, licensing terms much exist or Crosswire is making false claims and arbitrarily using these false rights as a lever against module developers it finds less favourable.<br>
<br></div><div>Thought Peter has not yet explicitly specified module's I've 'distributed' that belong to Crosswire, which of these actually have these rights granted through a licensing agreement. Does Crosswire in fact have exclusive right to distribute these texts (and deny others that right)? Questions like these are addressed by making public the licensing agreements (perhaps in the wiki). I can't see any reason making such licensing agreements public is a bad idea. It would only be a bad idea if Crosswire doesn't in fact have such agreements in place. As I said previously, I can see lots of benefits (including exonerating my reputation from false claims of illegality, and character assassination). If Crosswire is not willing to make pubic the agreements under which it operates, terms it claims grant it exclusive control over distribution of certain copyright texts it IS being secretive and arbitrary (Manfred).<br>
<br></div><div>~A</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Chris Burrell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris@burrell.me.uk" target="_blank">chris@burrell.me.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote">I think what Andrew meant by "secretive" is that there doesn't seem to be an obvious documented place where there is a link between who owns the relationship with the copyright holder, who generated the module in the first place, and who if different is the person maintaining the module.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Chris</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 Jan 2013 11:09, "Peter von Kaehne" <<a href="mailto:refdoc@gmx.net" target="_blank">refdoc@gmx.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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> Von: Manfred Bergmann <<a href="mailto:manfred.bergmann@me.com" target="_blank">manfred.bergmann@me.com</a>><br>
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> Am 06.01.2013 um 09:50 schrieb Andrew Thule <<a href="mailto:thulester@gmail.com" target="_blank">thulester@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
><br>
> > The site makes it seem like anyone can contribute to module creation,<br>
> modification.<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> Anyone can contribute to module creation.<br>
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Thanks, Manfred. Indeed, anyone can. We have hundreds of modules produced by dozens of contributors.<br>
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What you can not do is publish on your own server what is licensed to CrossWire.<br>
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What we do not want is that people interfere in existing relationships around existing copyrighted modules. Certainly not by breaching copyright and publishing such modules on their own server.<br>
<br>
Hardly secretive cabale...<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
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