<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Andrew,<div><br></div><div>I'm not really wanting to get into the DSS discussion regarding legal matters as I'm not a lawyer. However, there are some things I'd like to note:<div><br></div><div>At CrossWire we have a notion of what we are willing to include in our module repository. There are several factors that play into this. I'm not sure I'm articulating these well. I'm sure it is not complete:</div><div><br></div><div>If we can identify the person (or group) that claims stewardship of a work, we want to work with them to include their effort in the CrossWire repository. Regarding works that are largely academic or historical, we have found that those involved are often thrilled to have their work more widely disseminated.</div><div><br></div><div>For those groups who view copyright and permission as necessary to have their work in our repository, we want to show that we are good stewards of other people's work, as well as theirs.</div><div><br></div><div>We don't claim that the modules in the CrossWire repository are there for teaching, scholarship, criticism, comment, news reporting, research or even nonprofit educational purposes, or for any other fair use. They are certainly used for those purposes, but we cannot control their use.</div><div><br></div><div>We try to fairly evaluate claims of copyright of something that is in the CrossWire repository. We will often pull a module while we examine the claims.</div><div><br></div><div>If a work is recent (as defined in US copyright law), we start with the assumption that it is copyrighted unless we have incontrovertible evidence otherwise.</div><div><br></div><div>Much of this is borne of experience of those that negotiate rights for modules and who maintain many modules in the CrossWire repository. You have heard from them in this thread.</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding, the DSS it has been recommended to open lines of communication with the academics whose effort went into the translations. It certainly will build good will on their part.</div><div><br></div><div>In His Service,</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>DM</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Thule <<a href="mailto:thulester@gmail.com">thulester@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Matěj I have no intention.. here's why:<br><br><br>The US definition of 'Fair Use':<br><a href="http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107" target="_blank">http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107</a><br>
<br><h2><font><a name="13ade66ed9733722_107">§ 107 . Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use</a></font></h2><p><font>Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106<font>a,</font> the fair use of a copyrighted
work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any
other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment,
news reporting, TEACHING (including multiple copies for classroom use), SCHOLARSHIP,
or RESEARCH, is<font> NOT</font> an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the
use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be
considered shall include— </font></p><p><font>(1) the purpose and character of the use, including WHETHER
SUCH USE IS OF A COMMERCIAL NATURE OR IS FOR NONPROFIT EDUCATIONAL
PURPOSES;</font></p><br>Here's the Canadian definition of 'Fair Dealing'<br>
<a href="http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-42/index.html" target="_blank">http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-42/index.html</a><br><br><p><b><a>29.</a></b> Fair dealing for the purpose of research or private study does not infringe copyright.</p><p><b><a>29.1</a></b> Fair dealing for the purpose of criticism or review does not infringe copyright if the following are mentioned:</p><ul><li><p>(<i>a</i>) the source; and</p>
</li><li><p>(<i>b</i>) if given in the source, the name of the</p><ul><li><p>(i) author, in the case of a work,</p></li></ul></li></ul><br>In both cases it's clear this isn't a case where permission is needed. Moreover, with respect to 'Intellectual Property' both supreme courts in N.
America (Canada and US) uphold the so-called 'scholars' convention'
where once a text is published this implies consent on behalf of the
author to allow further use of the text, and thus permission does not
need to be obtained to use the text further, nor is there need to engage
copyright.<br><br>When <font><span style="font-weight:normal"><span class="">Geza Vermes wrote "The <font>C<font>o<font>mplete Dead Sea S<font>crolls in English" as a book (which was a commercial venture) he certainly didn't <font>approach each <font>scroll transl<font>ator (some of whom were already dea<font>d)</font> and obtain <font>consent, and the translations that weren't h<font>is cons<font>titute<font>d</font> the bulk of the book.</font></font><br>
</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></span></span><br>The expectation that I need to individually approach each separate translators (separately) and obtain consent is unwarranted and unrealistic and not necessary according to the body of Copyright law I'm familiar with. If it's not this way in Europe, I can only express my gratitude I don't live in Europe.<br>
<br>~A<br><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Matěj Cepl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mcepl@redhat.com" target="_blank">mcepl@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 22:56 -0500, Andrew Thule wrote:<br>
> Clearly I have no commercial interest in offering this module to the list<br>
> for QA. Clearly the translators who have offered their work to DJD did so<br>
> in an academic / research framework (making them available to the broader<br>
> audience), and their translations are often reused and cited outside of<br>
> DJD. I am not passing off their work untransformed or as my own.<br>
<br>
</div>Then you shall certainly has no problem to get their express consent<br>
with the publication of their work, right?<br>
<br>
Blessings,<br>
<br>
Matěj<br>
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