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Troy,<br>
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I have to state, as a (fairly new) module developer, that I agree 100%
with Matthew. Quite frankly, your response makes me feel like the
contributions of those putting together modules is not *really* valued
by the project.<br>
<br>
CCEL is not really a good option, in my opinion. Over the years they
have worked to further and further restrict access to marked up files.
I am encoding works that are in the public domain and I want them to be
freely accessible to *everyone*. CCEL seems to have different goals.
I don't blame them, I don't know their funding sources, their
organization, or their reason to exist. They have every right to claim
copyright on the markup of public domain texts (I think). But I don't
want to be a part of that. My goals are different.<br>
<br>
I had thought that they were in line with the Sword's goals. It seems
not.<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
<br>
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Dear Matthew,
I understand that you wish CrossWire were the host of authoritative
content. We do not currently have the infrastructure to do this, nor do
we currently wish to do this when organizations like CCEL exist. As
stated in my previous email, Harry Plantinga, who runs CCEL, attends
most of our OSIS conferences. His team has even written a (now defunct)
OSIS MSWord plugin. At one time, he even attempted to allow his
documents to be obtained in OSIS format using XSLT transformations. He
created ThML long before OSIS existed and my hope (though somewhat
waning) is that someday he will adopt OSIS as his pristine source
markup. But even if not, I know his team strives to push their
documents toward very well conforming and unambiguous ThML. This makes
conversion much easier for us. There have been times our users have
produced new material here at CrossWire and we have almost always
submitted that material to CCEL for hosting, maintenance, and further
development.
I am sorry that you disagree with this policy, but it is currently our
policy. Please know that I have heard your disagreement.
-Troy.
Matthew Talbert wrote:
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<pre wrap="">There are other organizations who are dedicated to being authoritative
text sources. One of these organizations is CCEL, with whom CrossWire
has a very good relationship. We want to encourage their ministry, as
they have encouraged our ministry. If there is not a good document
source for a particular area of interest which you feel the need to
contribute toward. Please join CCEL and produce your work there.
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<pre wrap="">This thoroughly confuses me. As far as I can tell, CCEL works with
ThML. I understand from recent discussions that Crosswire will accept
ThML from CCEL but no one else. However, if Crosswire is promoting
OSIS why would you encourage us to go to CCEL?
I do not think that Crosswire's goal of promoting OSIS (particularly
as represented by Chris in these threads) is compatible with the
policy of not maintaining sources.
I also do not feel this policy accurately reflects the value of the
module library to the Sword Project. I was just told in a private
email that the module library was one of the most valuable parts of
the project, which attracted people who would otherwise go elsewhere.
In addition it was mentioned that the value of this library was why
sources were not made available, because other projects could too
easily use them as well.
I do not see how these policies line up with the official goals of the
Crosswire project either. However, I do thank you for the
clarification on all of this, and your very clear rejection of
community input. It has made it quite clear to me that I have been in
the wrong place.
Goodbye and God bless,
Matthew
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