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John,<br>
I plan to do all I can to keep WinCE 3+ in action when it comes to
SwordReader. I am just really depressed that eVC 3 is being pulled.
WinCE 3 support is only one reason I keep the eVC 3 project alive, the
other reason is that it is (or was) a free IDE for mobile development
and I hoped this would encourage volunteers to come along side. There
is still eVC 4, which I am pretty sure supports WinCE 3, but I myself
do not have the desire to try the port, at least not at this time. <br>
<br>
I will continue keep the eVC 3 project up to date and use that for
release builds for WinCE 3 devices until an alternative solution comes
along. <br>
<br>
Orbworks has its own issues, as the Windows CE version (PocketC CE) is
no longer being maintained.<br>
<br>
--<br>
In Christ,<br>
David Trotz<br>
<br>
John wrote:
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<pre wrap="">David and All,
>From time to time, M$ "recreates," obviouly for their own benefit, the EULA
for software that is being made available. THIS means that there are
chances where software is discontinued and no longer available at the
website. According to the licensing "rules" in the Software Business
Association, formerly known as the Software Publishers Association, once a
license is made available (via purchase acquisition),
They, the vendor--M$--are just as bound to the license rules as are the end
users. This cannot be broken by the vender by a discontinuance of the
software availability. It may be broken by the end user only, as noted by
Daniel Blake, via software license transfer agreement, and the new end user
needs to agree to the EULA "prior" to installing and using the software.
Every software vendor is in favor of this model for the simple reason that
"competitive upgrades" cannot be broken by an EULA. This was one of the
major "sticking points" that M$, IBM, and even LOTUS had in court back in
the early to mid-90s. I spent a great deal of time with lawyers and experts
at that time--hammering out software licensing.
Just because it is unavailable does not mean that it is useless. The
original posting to this list was spawned by the acquisition of qty of 10 HP
Jornada 548 units--in perfect shape. My intention is to load the
SwordReader and many of the available modules for my neices and nephews to
use in their Bible study while away from their homes. I also intend to keep
supplying these to the others as they arrive of age to protect and
responsibily use such a tool.
The abandonment of eVC 3.0 will, correct me if I am misunderstanding, render
the SwordReader "broken" for the platform (Windows CE 3.0) for the SH-3
processor. I would most diligently consider a platform of development that
will continue support for these units, and keep this tool available to the
"new" generation of "inheriting" students of the Word of God.
An alternative to the M$ eVC 3.0 might be Orbworks.com PocketC environment.
BTW, there are other persons in the M$ eVT 3.0 forums
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2723319&SiteID=1">http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2723319&SiteID=1</a>)
which are asking M$ to restore the download link for the packages you
mentioned.
R,
John Gammon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Blake" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:danblake@tcdr.com"><danblake@tcdr.com></a>
To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org"><sword-devel@crosswire.org></a>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] SwordReader - eVC 3.0 discontinued
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<pre wrap="">I just looked at the EULA and the only thing I found was the standard
right to "Software Transfer" clause.
e. Software Transfer. You may permanently transfer all of your rights
under this EULA, provided you retain no copies, you transfer all of the
SOFTWARE PRODUCT (including all component parts, the media and printed
materials, any upgrades, this EULA, and, if applicable, the Certificate
of Authenticity), and the recipient agrees to the terms of this EULA.
There wasn't anything thing else in the EULA pertaining to this issue.
Daniel Blake
David Trotz wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Guys,
I was preparing to reinstall Windoze on my desktop when I noticed that
the eVC 3.0 download no longer exists at Microsoft's site. Unless we are
legally able to distribute this amongst ourselves we should consider
either porting to eVC 4 or discontinue eVC support altogether. If we
discontinue eVC support altogether this will likely impact users of
older windows ce devices.
Input, and suggestions are welcome here.
--
David Trotz
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