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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Verification scheme is not easy to switch
as you think. I have tried to do that and finally I have to develop a
completely new verification scheme according to the Nova Vulgata numbering
system to include the Deuterocanical Books into my Bible program using the
SWORD code. I was trying to make it work for both KJV and Vulgate, but I could
not do it. So I went ahead and make one program working exclusively with the
Catholic Bible. If you want to try my Catholic Bible, you can download it at:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><a href="http://stjbfoundation.org/HolyBible/HolyBible.zip">http://stjbfoundation.org/HolyBible/HolyBible.zip</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><a href="http://stjbfoundation.org/HolyBible/HolyBible.exe">http://stjbfoundation.org/HolyBible/HolyBible.exe</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>C. N. R.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 20, 2005
3:01 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">SWORD
Developers' Collaboration Forum</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [sword-devel] How
about the OT's standard versification at Sword ?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Chris Little</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> wrote, among other things:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> In
any case, it really has nothing to do with language. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
Remember, we're trying NOT to change or re-order the text like<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> you
were. So knowing or not knowing the language of the text<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> is
irrelevant.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>But
knowing or not knowing the language *is* relevant to users. Let us suppose that
a typical serious Bible student who knows a bit of Biblical Greek and the mere
basics of Hebrew is trying to discover the differences between the text of the
verse of a psalm in the Septuagint and the Hebrew Bible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>With the
present arrangement, all based on the KJV:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>1.
Identify your verse in your own language version, or in the KJV+ module with
Strong's numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>2. Switch
to the LXX module and read that verse.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>3. Switch
to the HOT module and read that verse.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Or, of
course, you can also display the three versions side by side. What could be
easier?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>With an
arrangement where all versions have individual verse numbers:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>1.
Identify your verse in your own language version, or in the KJV+ module with
Strong's numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>2. Switch
to the LXX module and search for the equivalent verse, which will likely
require you to go to another psalm and maybe a differently numbered verse.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>3. Switch
to the HOT module, which will require you to go back to the original numbering
system.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I don't
think you will be able to display the three versions side by side -- at any
rate, not until a pretty sophisticated adjustment mechanism is added to the
SWORD engine; and this has not been written, and if and when it is written, it
will need a lot of debugging before it works.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> The
KJV versification (v11n) system is the basis for<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
Sword's internal v11n (at the moment, for all intents and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
purposes). It's a known problem that some of us are<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
working to correct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Glad that
this is clear. But is it actually a problem? From here it looks more like an
advantage.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
Furthermore, in my experience, individuals who have never encoded a<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
document in XML do not do a very good job the first time. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Agreed.
Given a chance rather than the cold shoulder, they will get better and become
useful. But what sort of a job will people do who, though ever so good at XML,
don't understand a word of the text they are looking at?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> You
seem to think you have a right to decide <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> on
the versification of a Bible that you didn't translate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> We
don't believe you do. We believe that decision was<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
already made by its actual translators and that you have<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> no
right to impose your own opinions on their work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The
original translators of the Septuagint and Vulgate, and the compilers of the
Greek New Testament, didn't impose any system of versification at all. One of
the very few old MSS to have verse numbers, the 6th century Codex Bezae (Gospels
and Acts only), has different numbering from any later text. Tyndale's,
Coverdale's, Matthew's, Taverner's, and the Great Bible, all of the 1530s, have
no verse numbers in their original editions, though in Coverdale's, the
chapters are broken up into blocks marked A, B, C ... Only when we get to the
Geneva Bible of 1560 and the Bishops' Bible of 1568 are verse numbers added.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> When
we support other v11n systems in Sword, we<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> will
use that data to convert between systems rather<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> than
whatever ad hoc methods you might be imagining.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Yes,
when. Probably not for a while. Meanwhile many people are using the SWORD
Bibles for comparing texts, and for them ad hoc solutions work just fine.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Working
for Him,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Catalin
N. Ravaru<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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