[sword-devel] Module TischMorph & other Ancient Greek modules - getting rid of the quotation mark?

[pierre amadio]

David, I think the repository for the morphgnt is there
https://github.com/morphgnt/sblgnt


On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 at 19:46, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
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> Further to my message sent to the modules team, I have suggestion for SWORD developers.
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> Modify how GlobalOptionFilter=UTF8GreekAccents works with respect to U+2019.
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> Currently the filter doesn't care how this codepoint is being used semantically.
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> We could make a practical change as follows:
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> Rule: Do not hide U+2019 if the preceding character is not a Greek letter.
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> However, that would not be sufficient to cover all the cases in the StatResGNT module currently in CrossWire Beta.
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> Here's one that's better:
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> Rule: Do not hide U+2019 if the preceding character is not a word character.
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> With this in operation, the source text would not need to be changed in those places where the RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK is immediately after a punctuation mark.
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> Then what about the remaining places where it is immediately after a Greek letter?
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> A simple kludge for an improved source text would be to insert a zero width space or a zero width non joiner. Doing so would protect the quotation mark from being treated contrarily as a Greek diacritic when its purpose is simply to close a quotation.
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> Best regards,
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> David
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> On Saturday, March 15th, 2025 at 6:02 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
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> Thinking about the teleological conflict caused by using U+2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK as a Greek Diacritic,
> I wish to suggest that in modules where this was the case, that we might replace all U+2019 by U+0315 COMBINING COMMA ABOVE RIGHT.
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> This displays very similarly, viz
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> U+2019 παρ’
> U+0315 παρ̕
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> NB. The latter was not already used anywhere in the TischMorph module.
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> The advantage would be that if we did this to all the Ancient Greek modules and to any other module that makes the same contrary use of U+2019,
> then eventually, we might update the SWORD engine such that it no longer hides it with GlobalOptionFilter=UTF8GreekAccents.
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> This would free up U+2019 for it's proper use as a RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK to end speech begun with U+2018 LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK.
> We have just encountered this use in Beta module StatResGNT which contains sections of text marked with both DOUBLE and SINGLE QUOTATION marks.
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> I propose therefore that we perform an experiment, by implementing my suggestion first in module TischMorph, last updated 2012-01-09.
> This has 1218 instances of U+2019 and in each case, it's used contrarily as a Greek Diacritic.
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> Here's a counted list of the Greek letters that are followed by a U+2019.
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> 0031 δ’
> 0109 θ’
> 0232 τ’
> 0287 π’
> 0221 λ’
> 0135 φ’
> 0059 ρ’
> 0144 ι’
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> This is how they would look if the proposed replacements were made:
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> 0031 δ̕
> 0109 θ̕
> 0232 τ̕
> 0287 π̕
> 0221 λ̕
> 0135 φ̕
> 0059 ρ̕
> 0144 ι̕
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> NB. The upstream source for this module is no longer found at http://morphgnt.org/
> The URL now just displays a 404 message saying "There isn't a GitHub Pages site here."
> If we can no longer find where it may have moved, we might have to use a "round trip" of mod2imp and imp2vs to rebuild the module with my suggested change.
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> If my suggestion has any merit, we should also first discuss it with NT scholars such as our friends at STEP Bible and their friends at Tyndale House.
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> Best regards,
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> David
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