[sword-devel] [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT

DM Smith dmsmith at crosswire.org
Fri Mar 14 09:58:40 EDT 2025 

Regarding JSword, it supports some TEI within OSIS. Specifically it supports hi with TEI’s attribute rend in addition to OSIS’s attribute type. Chris Little directed that this should be so.

It has been a long time since we discussed this, so my memory might be faulty that OSIS was based on TEI and SWORD/JSword would allow some TEI constructs with the OSIS filter.

JSword needs a small, easy change to support overline. At this time, it will show the text without any decoration. It should be added to our edition of OSIS.

> On Mar 14, 2025, at 4:55 AM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Troy,
> 
> Does SWORD support an OSIS equivalent to this TEI snippet?
> <abbr type="nomSac">
> <hi rend="overline">θς</hi>
> </abbr>
> 
> Not asking about the abbr element, but the rend="overline" attribute for the hi element.
> 
> Rendering text with overline is not documented in the OSIS User Manual.
> Has this ever been tested in SWORD front-ends?
> How about JSword-based apps?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David
> 
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> 
> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 8:48 AM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>> Follow-up...
>> 
>> The screenshot image in my previous reply is what I saw in Safari when I clicked Troy's link while viewing messages from my iPad Mini 4.
>> 
>> Now that I've done likewise while viewing messages from my Windows 11 PC, I see a proper XML file via the Edge browser!
>> 
>> <w>
>> <abbr type="nomSac">
>> <hi rend="overline">θς</hi>
>> </abbr>
>> </w>
>> <w>τον</w>
>> <w>κοσμον</w>
>> <pc>·</pc>
>> <lb/>
>> <w>ωστε</w>
>> <w>τον</w>
>> 
>> Just shows that WYSINAWYG ! 🥸
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> David
>> 
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>> 
>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 6:40 AM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> <106d2d31-021b-436b-80ed-0686abfbff3a_image.png>
>>> Hi Troy,
>>> 
>>> Above is what I see after I clicked your link! Not sure if that’s what you intended.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org <mailto:On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A. Griffitts <<a href=>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This is how we record nomen sacrum in TEI and should transfer to OSIS just fine, e.g.,
>>>> 
>>>> https://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/community/vmr/api/transcript/get/?docID=20001&indexContent=John.3.16&format=teiraw
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/13/25 4:28 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>>>>> I think the best and correct way is to call this ‘display’ and encode the exact look you want to achieve via style sheet. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: sword-devel <sword-devel-bounces at crosswire.org> <mailto:sword-devel-bounces at crosswire.org> on behalf of David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2025 2:34 pm
>>>>> To: Alan Bunning <greekcntr at gmail.com> <mailto:greekcntr at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: sword-devel mailing list <sword-devel at crosswire.org> <mailto:sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
>>>>>  
>>>>> It would also require that we devise a means to encode in the OSIS the equivalent to what was used in the underlying Wiki format !
>>>>> 
>>>>> {{overline|ΘΥ}}
>>>>> 
>>>>> I doubt if the SWORD engine has a means to implement that!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> secure email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:22 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks, Alan, for the explanation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of the OSIS abbr element for each instance. This would require that each type of nomina sacrum would then need to be retained as the abbreviation, and then expanded using the XML attribute, e.g.
>>>>> 
>>>>> <abbr expansion="Θεοῦ"> ΘΥ </abbr>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please refer to the OSIS User Manual section 13.2  
>>>>> 
>>>>> NB. I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to display the expansions!
>>>>> The coders might enlighten us on this point. I have therefore cc: to sword-devel  in this reply.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> secure email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bunning <greekcntr at gmail.com> <mailto:greekcntr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, that symbol is used to mark nomina sacra. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan Bunning, D.Litt.
>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>> Center for New Testament Restoration
>>>>> https://greekcntr.org <https://greekcntr.org/> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács Zoltán wrote:
>>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>> I received the following emails. I haven't looked into them very much, but maybe you want to join the conversation.
>>>>> Blessings, Zoltan 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- 
>>>>> Feladó: David Haslam < dfhdfh at protonmail.com <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>> 
>>>>> Date: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 14:37 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT 
>>>>> To: pierre amadio < amadio.pierre at gmail.com <mailto:amadio.pierre at gmail.com>> 
>>>>> Cc: Kovács Zoltán < kovzol at gmail.com <mailto:kovzol at gmail.com>>, < modules at crosswire.org <mailto:modules at crosswire.org>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's a very plausible explanation!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here are the relevant lines from my word count.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Word Count
>>>>> ˚Θεέ 2
>>>>> ˚Θεοῦ 690
>>>>> ˚Θεόν 73
>>>>> ˚Θεός 68
>>>>> ˚Θεὸν 72
>>>>> ˚Θεὸς 239
>>>>> ˚Θεῷ 158
>>>>> ˚Κυρίου 231
>>>>> ˚Κυρίῳ 95
>>>>> ˚Κύριε 89
>>>>> ˚Κύριον 63
>>>>> ˚Κύριος 139
>>>>> ˚Κύριόν 1
>>>>> ˚Κύριός 10
>>>>> ˚Πνεύματι 59
>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος 79
>>>>> ˚Πνεύματός 5
>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμά 7
>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμα 99
>>>>> ˚Χριστέ 1
>>>>> ˚Χριστοῦ 252
>>>>> ˚Χριστόν 18
>>>>> ˚Χριστός 41
>>>>> ˚Χριστὸν 48
>>>>> ˚Χριστὸς 71
>>>>> ˚Χριστῷ 104
>>>>> ˚θεὸς 1
>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ 329
>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦν 126
>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦς 456
>>>>> 
>>>>> NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of nomina sacra, then it ought to be described in the conf file!
>>>>> Best regards, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> secure email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre amadio amadio.pierre at gmail.com <mailto:amadio.pierre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as I know, there is no such greek accent as a circular mark
>>>>> such as Ring Above (U+02DA).
>>>>> Looking at the source text, they seem to always appears next to words such as
>>>>> https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt
>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,
>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος
>>>>> ˚Κυρίου
>>>>> 
>>>>> Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina sacra in manuscripts ?
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán kovzol at gmail.com <mailto:kovzol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, David, I will look into it and get back to you.
>>>>> Best, Zoltan
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Haslam dfhdfh at protonmail.com <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 13:33):
>>>>> 
>>>>> Arising from the grapheme count, I have a further technical query.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING ABOVE.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am wondering whether these would be better being all replaced by U+030A COMBINING RING ABOVE, and if so, whether the mark should follow the Greek letter rather than precede it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek accents rules is fairly limited.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Q. What is the most suitable Unicode font for viewing a Greek NT text?
>>>>> Might it be sensible to include such an element in the .conf file?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13 PM, David Haslam dfhdfh at protonmail.com <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Kovács,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a grapheme count on the full Greek text with accents.
>>>>> i.e. After first stripping out the references from the diatheke output. See inside attached 7-Zip file.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are two left/right count mismatches that ought to be looked at.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2018 ‘ 483
>>>>> 2019 ’ 484
>>>>> 201C “ 1,904
>>>>> 201D ” 1,907
>>>>> 
>>>>> cf. The counts of left/right parentheses were OK.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 0028 ( 62
>>>>> 0029 ) 62
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59 AM, David Haslam dfhdfh at protonmail.com <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This module has the wrong Versification.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is simply the wrong choice!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please fix this ASAP.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dom, Please also fix any bug in your script that led to this mistake!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52 PM, domcox at crosswire.org <mailto:domcox at crosswire.org> domcox at crosswire.org <mailto:domcox at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is to announce that we have just now uploaded StatResGNT
>>>>> in the CrossWire beta repository for testing purposes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If no raised concern nor a quality alert has been sent on the list,
>>>>> StatResGNT will be published in a week.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is an update.
>>>>> Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)
>>>>> Version=1.3
>>>>> History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to newest release (last database change: 2024-07-16)
>>>>> TextSource=https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt
>>>>> Versification=LXX
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the hard work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> yours
>>>>> 
>>>>> P.S.: This email is sent automatically.
>>>>> 
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