[sword-devel] Fwd: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
Troy A. Griffitts
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Thu Mar 13 19:52:44 EDT 2025
This is how we record nomen sacrum in TEI and should transfer to OSIS
just fine, e.g.,
https://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/community/vmr/api/transcript/get/?docID=20001&indexContent=John.3.16&format=teiraw
On 3/13/25 4:28 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
> I think the best and correct way is to call this ‘display’ and encode
> the exact look you want to achieve via style sheet.
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
> It would also require that we devise a means to encode in the OSIS the
> equivalent to what was used in the underlying Wiki format !
>
> {{overline|ΘΥ}}
>
> I doubt if the SWORD engine has a means to implement that!
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
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>
> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:22 PM, David Haslam
> <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Alan, for the explanation.
>
> This then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of the OSIS
> *abbr* element for each instance. This would require that each
> type of */nomina sacrum/* would then need to be retained as the
> abbreviation, and then expanded using the XML attribute, e.g.
>
> <abbr expansion="Θεοῦ">ΘΥ</abbr>
>
> Please refer to the *OSIS User Manual* section 13.2
>
> NB. I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to display
> the expansions!
> /The coders might enlighten us on this point. I have therefore cc:
> to /*/sword-devel/*/ in this reply.
> /
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
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> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bunning
> <greekcntr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, that symbol is used to mark nomina sacra.
>
> /Alan Bunning, D.Litt.
> Executive Director
> Center for New Testament Restoration
> https://greekcntr.org/
>
> On 3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács Zoltán wrote:
>
> Dear Alan,
> I received the following emails. I haven't looked into
> them very much, but maybe you want to join the conversation.
> Blessings, Zoltan
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> Feladó: *David Haslam* <dfhdfh at protonmail.com>
> Date: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 14:37
> Subject: Re: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
> To: pierre amadio <amadio.pierre at gmail.com>
> Cc: Kovács Zoltán <kovzol at gmail.com>, <modules at crosswire.org>
>
>
> Hi Pierre,
>
> That's a very plausible explanation!
>
> Here are the relevant lines from my *word count*.
>
> Word Count
> ˚Θεέ 2
> ˚Θεοῦ 690
> ˚Θεόν 73
> ˚Θεός 68
> ˚Θεὸν 72
> ˚Θεὸς 239
> ˚Θεῷ 158
> ˚Κυρίου 231
> ˚Κυρίῳ 95
> ˚Κύριε 89
> ˚Κύριον 63
> ˚Κύριος 139
> ˚Κύριόν 1
> ˚Κύριός 10
> ˚Πνεύματι 59
> ˚Πνεύματος 79
> ˚Πνεύματός 5
> ˚Πνεῦμά 7
> ˚Πνεῦμα 99
> ˚Χριστέ 1
> ˚Χριστοῦ 252
> ˚Χριστόν 18
> ˚Χριστός 41
> ˚Χριστὸν 48
> ˚Χριστὸς 71
> ˚Χριστῷ 104
> ˚θεὸς 1
> ˚Ἰησοῦ 329
> ˚Ἰησοῦν 126
> ˚Ἰησοῦς 456
>
>
> NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of
> */nomina sacra/*, then it ought to be described in the
> conf file!
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
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>
>
> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre amadio
> amadio.pierre at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi there.
>
> As far as I know, there is no such greek accent as a
> circular mark
> such as Ring Above (U+02DA).
> Looking at the source text, they seem to always
> appears next to words such as
> https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt
> ˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,
> ˚Πνεύματος
> ˚Κυρίου
>
> Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina sacra in
> manuscripts ?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra
>
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán
> kovzol at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks, David, I will look into it and get back to
> you.
> Best, Zoltan
>
> David Haslam dfhdfh at protonmail.com ezt írta
> (időpont: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 13:33):
>
> Arising from the grapheme count, I have a
> further technical query.
>
> There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING ABOVE.
>
> I am wondering whether these would be better
> being all replaced by U+030A COMBINING RING
> ABOVE, and if so, whether the mark should
> follow the Greek letter rather than precede it.
>
> NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek accents
> rules is fairly limited.
>
> Q. What is the most suitable Unicode font for
> viewing a Greek NT text?
> Might it be sensible to include such an
> element in the .conf file?
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>
> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13 PM,
> David Haslam dfhdfh at protonmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi Kovács,
>
> Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a
> grapheme count on the full Greek text with
> accents.
> i.e. After first stripping out the references
> from the diatheke output. See inside attached
> 7-Zip file.
>
> There are two left/right count mismatches that
> ought to be looked at.
>
> 2018 ‘ 483
> 2019 ’ 484
> 201C “ 1,904
> 201D ” 1,907
>
> cf. The counts of left/right parentheses were OK.
>
> 0028 ( 62
> 0029 ) 62
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>
> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59 AM,
> David Haslam dfhdfh at protonmail.com wrote:
>
> This module has the wrong Versification.
>
> It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is simply
> the wrong choice!
>
> Please fix this ASAP.
>
> Dom, Please also fix any bug in your script
> that led to this mistake!
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>
> On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52 PM,
> domcox at crosswire.org domcox at crosswire.org wrote:
>
> This is to announce that we have just now
> uploaded StatResGNT
> in the CrossWire beta repository for testing
> purposes.
>
> If no raised concern nor a quality alert has
> been sent on the list,
> StatResGNT will be published in a week.
>
> This is an update.
> Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)
> Version=1.3
> History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to newest
> release (last database change: 2024-07-16)
> TextSource=https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt
> Versification=LXX
>
> Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the hard work.
>
> yours
>
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