From dfhdfh at protonmail.com  Wed Jan  1 05:24:47 2025
From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam)
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2025 10:24:47 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] diatheke - plain output error
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Greg,

I?d simply not got round to installing them from your .tar.gz file.

I was assuming you would first fix the null date issue, then I wouldn?t need to do so twice.

David

On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 00:00, Greg Hellings <[greg.hellings at gmail.com](mailto:On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 00:00, Greg Hellings <<a href=)> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 31, 2024 at 12:53?PM David Haslam < dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> I just tried with diatheke.exe that is bundled with Xiphos for Windows.
>> 4.2.1 (gtk2 webkit1)
>>
>> This may be based on an earlier version of SWORD.
>> The utilities were all dated 2020-04-26.
>>
>> The plain filter did not show the fault you reported. eg.
>>
>> Genesis 1:15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
>>
>> NB. On my current Windows 11 x64 system, I don't have the latest SWORD utilities. Greg was working on them a few weeks ago but his new procedure has not yet produced the desired results.
>
> What's the shortcoming here? The only complaint I recall was the date on the files being set to Unix timestamp of 0, but nothing related to the actual execution of them. If there's an outstanding issue with them, please let me know. I had moved on to trying to build a version with native Windows on Arm support. The latest versions of the MinGW tooling supports building that target.
>
> --Greg
>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 31st, 2024 at 4:53 PM, Peter von Kaehne < refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Trying to use the diatheke and I note that it puts out incomplete
>>> verses. (Diatheke
>>>
>>> peter at peter-thinkpadx220:~/Source/sword/utilities/diatheke$ ./diatheke
>>> -b KJV -f plain -k Gen 15.1
>>> Genesis 15:1: After these things the word of the
>>> (KJV)
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> peter at peter-thinkpadx220:~/Source/sword/utilities/diatheke$ diatheke --
>>> help
>>>
>>> Diatheke command-line SWORD frontend Version 4.8 (SWORD: 1.9.0.3893)
>>> Copyright 1999-2018 by the CrossWire Bible Society
>>>
>>> I was going to check the bug tracker but as that is down I had no
>>> chance, yet.
>>>
>>> The same error happens with the NASB. Reviewing the module - it appears
>>> mainly that text inside tags vanishes, so I guess this is a filter
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> I do not know who last laid hand at the plain filter set, but if others
>>> confirm that this is an error and not a problem with my set up, I will
>>> look further into this.
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From scribe at crosswire.org  Sat Jan  4 00:31:58 2025
From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 22:31:58 -0700
Subject: [sword-devel] Introduction
Message-ID: <15813443-2a0e-47e8-adcf-d64ca9db13d0@crosswire.org>

Dear team,

I'd like to introduce Armen Danielian.? He has a desire to build Bible 
study apps and is interested in the LXX and in using AI to assist in 
development.

I hope everyone is at the start of a relaxing weekend!

Troy


From zdposter at gmail.com  Wed Jan  8 09:57:25 2025
From: zdposter at gmail.com (ZdPo Ster)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 15:57:25 +0100
Subject: [sword-devel] OSIS commentary module example
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I tried to create one but it does not work.

Here are my steps:

1. As far as I understand https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Commentaries OSIS
Commentary module is like a Bible module with slightly different markups
for verses. So I created test bible module (see attachment
sword_text_test.zip) and it worked fine:
> osis2mod test_text/modules/texts/rawtext/test_text bible_example.osis.xml
> sudo installmgr -li test_text/ TestOSIS
> diatheke -b TestOSIS -k Gn 1:1
Genesis 1:1: In the beginning God created the Heauen and the Earth.
(TestOSIS)

2. Based on wiki I tried to make adaption for Commentary module (see
sword_com_test.zip) but it does not work (no output and no error):
> osis2mod test_com/modules/comments/rawcom/test_com commentary.osis.xml
> sudo installmgr -li test_com/ Test_Com
> diatheke -b Test_Com -k Gn 1:1
Genesis 1:1:
(Test_Com)

I tried other commentary and it works:
> diatheke -b Augustin -k Gn 1:1
Genesis 1:1: <div annotateRef="Gen.1.1-Job.42.17 Prov.1.1-Mal.4.6"
annotateType="commentary" sID="gen1" type="section"/> This module only
contains content from New Testament material and the Psalms. <div
annotateRef="Gen.1.1-Job.42.17 Prov.1.1-Mal.4.6" annotateType="commentary"
eID="gen1" type="section"/>
(Augustin)

I tried the Windows (Xiphos) version of tools and OpenSUSE version, but it
did not help.

I tried osis2mod with debug option but I see any problem there:
> osis2mod test_com/modules/comments/rawcom/test_com commentary.osis.xml -d
512
You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3431 $
DEBUG(ARGS):
        path: test_com/modules/comments/rawcom/test_com
        osisDoc: commentary.osis.xml
        create: 0
        compressType:
        blockType: 4
        compressLevel: 0
        cipherKey:
        normalize: 1
DEBUG(FOUND): End of header found
DEBUG(FOUND): Found first div and pitching prior material: <xml
encoding="UTF-8" version="1.0"> <osis xmlns="
http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace" xmlns:xsi="
http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="
http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace
http://www.bibletechnologies.net/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd"> <osisText
osisIDWork="EXAMPLE" osisRefWork="Commentary" xml:lang="en"> <header> <work
osisWork="EXAMPLE"> <title>King James Version of 1611</title> <identifier
type="OSIS">EXAMPLE.TutorEncoding</identifier>
<refSystem>Bible.EXAMPLE</refSystem> </work> <work osisWork="Commentary">
<refSystem>Bible.EXAMPLE</refSystem> </work> </header>
DEBUG(FOUND): New book is Gen
DEBUG(FOUND): Current chapter is Gen.1 (Gen.1)
DEBUG(FOUND): Entering verse
DEBUG(FOUND): New current verse is Gen.1.1
DEBUG(FOUND): osisID/annotateRef is adjusted to: Gen.1.1
DEBUG(FOUND): Entering verse
DEBUG(FOUND): New current verse is Gen.1.2
DEBUG(FOUND): osisID/annotateRef is adjusted to: Gen.1.2
DEBUG(FOUND): Entering verse
DEBUG(FOUND): New current verse is Gen.1.3
DEBUG(FOUND): osisID/annotateRef is adjusted to: Gen.1.3
SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong?

On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 at 16:28, ZdPo Ster <zdposter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Is there an available OSIS commentary module (source)?
> I would like to have some full example for generating module with osis2mod.
>
> Zdenko
>
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From zdposter at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 02:39:16 2025
From: zdposter at gmail.com (ZdPo Ster)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 08:39:16 +0100
Subject: [sword-devel] OSIS commentary module example
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So it turns out I had problem in test_com.conf file: `ModDrv` should be
`RawCom` (and not `RawCom4` as it is in e.g. augustin.conf or
chrysostom.conf).


On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 at 15:57, ZdPo Ster <zdposter at gmail.com> wrote:

> I tried to create one but it does not work.
>
> Here are my steps:
>
> 1. As far as I understand https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Commentaries
> OSIS Commentary module is like a Bible module with slightly different
> markups for verses. So I created test bible module (see attachment
> sword_text_test.zip) and it worked fine:
> > osis2mod test_text/modules/texts/rawtext/test_text bible_example.osis.xml
> > sudo installmgr -li test_text/ TestOSIS
> > diatheke -b TestOSIS -k Gn 1:1
> Genesis 1:1: In the beginning God created the Heauen and the Earth.
> (TestOSIS)
>
> 2. Based on wiki I tried to make adaption for Commentary module (see
> sword_com_test.zip) but it does not work (no output and no error):
> > osis2mod test_com/modules/comments/rawcom/test_com commentary.osis.xml
> > sudo installmgr -li test_com/ Test_Com
> > diatheke -b Test_Com -k Gn 1:1
> Genesis 1:1:
> (Test_Com)
>
> I tried other commentary and it works:
> > diatheke -b Augustin -k Gn 1:1
> Genesis 1:1: <div annotateRef="Gen.1.1-Job.42.17 Prov.1.1-Mal.4.6"
> annotateType="commentary" sID="gen1" type="section"/> This module only
> contains content from New Testament material and the Psalms. <div
> annotateRef="Gen.1.1-Job.42.17 Prov.1.1-Mal.4.6" annotateType="commentary"
> eID="gen1" type="section"/>
> (Augustin)
>
> I tried the Windows (Xiphos) version of tools and OpenSUSE version, but it
> did not help.
>
> I tried osis2mod with debug option but I see any problem there:
> > osis2mod test_com/modules/comments/rawcom/test_com commentary.osis.xml
> -d 512
> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3431 $
> DEBUG(ARGS):
>         path: test_com/modules/comments/rawcom/test_com
>         osisDoc: commentary.osis.xml
>         create: 0
>         compressType:
>         blockType: 4
>         compressLevel: 0
>         cipherKey:
>         normalize: 1
> DEBUG(FOUND): End of header found
> DEBUG(FOUND): Found first div and pitching prior material: <xml
> encoding="UTF-8" version="1.0"> <osis xmlns="
> http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace" xmlns:xsi="
> http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="
> http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace
> http://www.bibletechnologies.net/osisCore.2.1.1.xsd"> <osisText
> osisIDWork="EXAMPLE" osisRefWork="Commentary" xml:lang="en"> <header> <work
> osisWork="EXAMPLE"> <title>King James Version of 1611</title> <identifier
> type="OSIS">EXAMPLE.TutorEncoding</identifier>
> <refSystem>Bible.EXAMPLE</refSystem> </work> <work osisWork="Commentary">
> <refSystem>Bible.EXAMPLE</refSystem> </work> </header>
> DEBUG(FOUND): New book is Gen
> DEBUG(FOUND): Current chapter is Gen.1 (Gen.1)
> DEBUG(FOUND): Entering verse
> DEBUG(FOUND): New current verse is Gen.1.1
> DEBUG(FOUND): osisID/annotateRef is adjusted to: Gen.1.1
> DEBUG(FOUND): Entering verse
> DEBUG(FOUND): New current verse is Gen.1.2
> DEBUG(FOUND): osisID/annotateRef is adjusted to: Gen.1.2
> DEBUG(FOUND): Entering verse
> DEBUG(FOUND): New current verse is Gen.1.3
> DEBUG(FOUND): osisID/annotateRef is adjusted to: Gen.1.3
> SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest
>
> Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong?
>
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 at 16:28, ZdPo Ster <zdposter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there an available OSIS commentary module (source)?
>> I would like to have some full example for generating module with
>> osis2mod.
>>
>> Zdenko
>>
>
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From dfhdfh at protonmail.com  Sun Jan 12 17:12:40 2025
From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2025 22:12:40 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
Message-ID: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>

Dear all,

Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App Store!

NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.

cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.

Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.

cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"

Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any progress since then.

I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.

Best regards,

David

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From johan.marais at messianic.co.za  Sun Jan 12 19:51:36 2025
From: johan.marais at messianic.co.za (Johan Marais)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 00:51:36 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
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Very sad indeed if that is the case, I was looking forward for an update to PocketSword as I am using it almost daily.

In His Name

Johan

________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: sword-devel <sword-devel-bounces at crosswire.org> On Behalf Of David Haslam
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2025 00:13
To: sword-devel mailing list <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword



Dear all,



Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App Store!



NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.



cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.



Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.



cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"



Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any progress since then.



I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.



Best regards,



David



Sent with Proton Mail secure email.

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From kahunapule at eBible.org  Sun Jan 12 20:20:01 2025
From: kahunapule at eBible.org (Kahunapule Michael Johnson)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:20:01 -1000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
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Message-ID: <1c51dcdc-9ffb-48b7-917f-6a5b1b5e82d7@eBible.org>

Sadly, Craig dropped the ball on this one. There is another possible volunteer that I will be talking to soon...

On 1/12/25 12:12, David Haslam wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App Store!
>
> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
>
> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
>
> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
>
> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
>
> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any progress since then.
>
> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> _______________________________________________
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From dfhdfh at protonmail.com  Mon Jan 13 05:24:25 2025
From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:24:25 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <1c51dcdc-9ffb-48b7-917f-6a5b1b5e82d7@eBible.org>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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FYI. Nic used Atlassian BitBucket for the software development.

[niccarter / pocketsword ? Bitbucket](https://bitbucket.org/niccarter/pocketsword/src/main/)

Best regards,

David

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On Monday, January 13th, 2025 at 1:20 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson <kahunapule at eBible.org> wrote:

> Sadly, Craig dropped the ball on this one. There is another possible volunteer that I will be talking to soon...
>
> On 1/12/25 12:12, David Haslam wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App Store!
>>
>> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
>>
>> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
>>
>> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
>>
>> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
>>
>> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any progress since then.
>>
>> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> sword-devel at crosswire.org
>>
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> Peace,
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From dfhdfh at protonmail.com  Mon Jan 13 05:26:15 2025
From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:26:15 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki

https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword

Best regards,

David

Sent with Proton Mail secure email.

On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App Store!
> 
> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
> 
> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
> 
> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
> 
> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
> 
> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any progress since then.
> 
> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David
> 
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.

From kahunapule at eBible.org  Mon Jan 13 21:56:42 2025
From: kahunapule at eBible.org (Kahunapule Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 16:56:42 -1000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <ktl9IKm8WbqlSsSx7bY7pPnDS_3k6wWDZD3kRb3GEYbq3wSDfqNM_2ydzi3HyyyAnLEXLZyqy8TbWgMW4IzTDrc3wKHJhWyuyEITS-Tf0jk=@protonmail.com>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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Message-ID: <0b77ae97-dcde-4510-8877-1c11e6080aa1@eBible.org>

I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to contribute to that effort, please let me know.


On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
> FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
>
> https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>
> On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App Store!
>>
>> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
>>
>> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
>>
>> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
>>
>> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
>>
>> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any progress since then.
>>
>> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> _______________________________________________
> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
> http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page



From greg.hellings at gmail.com  Mon Jan 13 22:23:11 2025
From: greg.hellings at gmail.com (Greg Hellings)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 21:23:11 -0600
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <0b77ae97-dcde-4510-8877-1c11e6080aa1@eBible.org>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHxvOVLOCBh=FOahFVkJvYGWpuqTppHEDCnc7c4BcOxQ5et-HA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a reason, if a rewrite is in the works, not to collaborate along
with another effort that is cross-platform capable? There are several good
toolkits already out there that can produce very serviceable mobile apps.
Ezra is built, I believe, on Apache's Cordova and already works very well
across a variety of screen sizes. I've used it on desktop and on my phone.
And it even adapts well between my phone in narrow mode and in foldable
mode (I have a Pixel 9 Pro Fold), properly using the extra screen real
estate that it gains in open mode.

Thus, an iOS build of it could probably be produced as well as an iPadOS
version that adapts well. I don't think a version is currently being built
for iOS but I think that's just a limitation of the developer not using or
having Mac devices.

--Greg

On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 8:57?PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson <
kahunapule at ebible.org> wrote:

> I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that
> probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to
> contribute to that effort, please let me know.
>
>
> On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
> > FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
> >
> > https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > David
> >
> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> >
> > On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam <
> dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the
> App Store!
> >>
> >> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
> >>
> >> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software
> after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
> >>
> >> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for
> iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
> >>
> >> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month
> Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to
> their latest data privacy standards?"
> >>
> >> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had
> volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any
> progress since then.
> >>
> >> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad
> devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> > _______________________________________________
> > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
> > http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
> > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From arraybolt3 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 13 22:35:50 2025
From: arraybolt3 at gmail.com (Aaron Rainbolt)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 21:35:50 -0600
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <CAHxvOVLOCBh=FOahFVkJvYGWpuqTppHEDCnc7c4BcOxQ5et-HA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFfBHfafd+xxW932EtgyBk0QM0-01NaCkMeGXUwY733q5LwgNg@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone managed to clone the Kotlin Multiplatform app that showed up
on the mailing lists some time ago, that might be a worthwhile base to
start from. https://crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2024-November/050252.html
Unfortunately the author seems to have deleted their repo already.
(I've CC'd them just in case they still have the code handy and are
interested in sharing if someone's interested in using it.)

On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 9:23?PM Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there a reason, if a rewrite is in the works, not to collaborate along with another effort that is cross-platform capable? There are several good toolkits already out there that can produce very serviceable mobile apps. Ezra is built, I believe, on Apache's Cordova and already works very well across a variety of screen sizes. I've used it on desktop and on my phone. And it even adapts well between my phone in narrow mode and in foldable mode (I have a Pixel 9 Pro Fold), properly using the extra screen real estate that it gains in open mode.
>
> Thus, an iOS build of it could probably be produced as well as an iPadOS version that adapts well. I don't think a version is currently being built for iOS but I think that's just a limitation of the developer not using or having Mac devices.
>
> --Greg
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 8:57?PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson <kahunapule at ebible.org> wrote:
>>
>> I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to contribute to that effort, please let me know.
>>
>>
>> On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
>> > FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
>> >
>> > https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>> >
>> > On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App Store!
>> >>
>> >> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
>> >>
>> >> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
>> >>
>> >> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
>> >>
>> >> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
>> >>
>> >> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any progress since then.
>> >>
>> >> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
>> > http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>> > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
>> http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mjdenham at gmail.com  Tue Jan 14 02:56:12 2025
From: mjdenham at gmail.com (Martin Denham)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 07:56:12 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <CAFfBHfafd+xxW932EtgyBk0QM0-01NaCkMeGXUwY733q5LwgNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJ30_ONWby9doc+h1Gut-pfEGhb3AN_BaMr2q1==92cuHp4PrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Aaron,

Thanks for copying me in.  The app is not deleted, just made private,  I am
still working on the app and initially targeting Android and iOS.

I made it private because there is a lot to do and don't plan to release it
for a while, so I wanted to avoid the possibility of people ripping it off
with ads.

This app is a bit different to apps like Pocket Sword as I am targeting
people like my daughters, so it will hopefully be simpler and prettier, but
there could be a variant that would be more sophisticated.

Best regards
Martin

On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 at 03:36, Aaron Rainbolt <arraybolt3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If anyone managed to clone the Kotlin Multiplatform app that showed up
> on the mailing lists some time ago, that might be a worthwhile base to
> start from.
> https://crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2024-November/050252.html
> Unfortunately the author seems to have deleted their repo already.
> (I've CC'd them just in case they still have the code handy and are
> interested in sharing if someone's interested in using it.)
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 9:23?PM Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a reason, if a rewrite is in the works, not to collaborate
> along with another effort that is cross-platform capable? There are several
> good toolkits already out there that can produce very serviceable mobile
> apps. Ezra is built, I believe, on Apache's Cordova and already works very
> well across a variety of screen sizes. I've used it on desktop and on my
> phone. And it even adapts well between my phone in narrow mode and in
> foldable mode (I have a Pixel 9 Pro Fold), properly using the extra screen
> real estate that it gains in open mode.
> >
> > Thus, an iOS build of it could probably be produced as well as an iPadOS
> version that adapts well. I don't think a version is currently being built
> for iOS but I think that's just a limitation of the developer not using or
> having Mac devices.
> >
> > --Greg
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 8:57?PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson <
> kahunapule at ebible.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that
> probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to
> contribute to that effort, please let me know.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
> >> > FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
> >> >
> >> > https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
> >> >
> >> > Best regards,
> >> >
> >> > David
> >> >
> >> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> >> >
> >> > On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam <
> dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Dear all,
> >> >>
> >> >> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from
> the App Store!
> >> >>
> >> >> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
> >> >>
> >> >> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the
> software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
> >> >>
> >> >> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only
> for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
> >> >>
> >> >> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next
> month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not
> updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
> >> >>
> >> >> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had
> volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any
> progress since then.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and
> iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> David
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
> >> > http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
> >> > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
> >> http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
> >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
> >
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From fr.cyrille at tiberiade.be  Tue Jan 14 05:40:35 2025
From: fr.cyrille at tiberiade.be (Fr Cyrille)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 11:40:35 +0100
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <CAHxvOVLOCBh=FOahFVkJvYGWpuqTppHEDCnc7c4BcOxQ5et-HA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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Le 14/01/2025 ? 04:23, Greg Hellings a ?crit?:
> Is there a reason, if a rewrite is in the works, not to collaborate 
> along with another effort that is cross-platform capable? There are 
> several good toolkits already out there that can produce very 
> serviceable mobile apps. Ezra is built, I believe, on Apache's Cordova 
> and already works very well across a variety of screen sizes. I've 
> used it on desktop and on my phone. And it even adapts well between my 
> phone in narrow mode and in foldable mode (I have a Pixel 9 Pro Fold), 
> properly using the extra screen real estate that it gains in open mode.
>

I strongly agree with Greg, we have such a lack of developers (Karl 
promised a xiphos release for Christmas but he didn't have time) that if 
we could gather our forces on a few flagship projects it would be great. 
For ios Ezra is a good idea, otherwise of course there's Andbible, and I 
think Bishop is also on iOS.
I also propose that we entrust this demand for developers to the Lord. 
May He send us the ones we need.


> Thus, an iOS build of it could probably be produced as well as an 
> iPadOS version that adapts well. I don't think a version is currently 
> being built for iOS but I think that's just a limitation of the 
> developer not using or having Mac devices.
>
> --Greg
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 8:57?PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson 
> <kahunapule at ebible.org> wrote:
>
>     I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that
>     probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone
>     wants to contribute to that effort, please let me know.
>
>
>     On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
>     > FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
>     >
>     > https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
>     >
>     > Best regards,
>     >
>     > David
>     >
>     > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>     >
>     > On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam
>     <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>     >
>     >> Dear all,
>     >>
>     >> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable
>     from the App Store!
>     >>
>     >> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
>     >>
>     >> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the
>     software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
>     >>
>     >> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed
>     only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
>     >>
>     >> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that
>     next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if
>     it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
>     >>
>     >> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman
>     had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no
>     news of any progress since then.
>     >>
>     >> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone
>     and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
>     >>
>     >> Best regards,
>     >>
>     >> David
>     >>
>     >> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
>     > http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>     > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
>
>
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-- 
Vous aimez la Bible?? Vous ?tes ?tudiant en th?ologie?? Utilisez 
l'application libre Xiphos <https://xiphos.org/> ou Andbible 
<https://andbible.github.io/> et acc?dez aux textes sources, ? des 
commentaires, des dictionnaires et beaucoup d'autres fonctionnalit?s... 
Me contacter pour des traductions en fran?ais.
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From dfhdfh at protonmail.com  Tue Jan 14 06:46:37 2025
From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 11:46:37 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <0b77ae97-dcde-4510-8877-1c11e6080aa1@eBible.org>
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FYI.

I emailed Nic Carter and he responded with a cc: to Michael.

In his second paragraph, he made these technical observations:

//Given the rapid development of Apple?s frameworks on iOS, it?s hard to keep an app ?up to date? and even compiling on iOS! I have looked a little at the situation and in the end I decided there was so much work required updating the ObjectiveC++ app that it would be a much better idea to simply port it over to Swift, rather than port it over to the new ObjC frameworks at this point. Some parts can be left as ObjC, but that?s pretty much just the libsword C++ wrappers, all the UI should be ported given it?s possible ObjC support could be dropped by Apple any time in the next 5 years?//

Best regards,

David

Sent with Proton Mail secure email.

On Tuesday, January 14th, 2025 at 2:56 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson <kahunapule at eBible.org> wrote:

> I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to contribute to that effort, please let me know.
> 
> 
> On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
> 
> > FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
> > 
> > https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> > 
> > On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam dfhdfh at protonmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear all,
> > > 
> > > Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App Store!
> > > 
> > > NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
> > > 
> > > cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
> > > 
> > > Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
> > > 
> > > cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
> > > 
> > > Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any progress since then.
> > > 
> > > I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > 
> > > David
> > > 
> > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
> > > http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
> > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
> 
> 
> 
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From scribe at crosswire.org  Tue Jan 14 07:47:12 2025
From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:47:12 +0100
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
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Hey guys,

As Fr.? Cyrille mentions, Bishop is available on iOS.

Bishop builds Swift wrappers around the SWORD C++ engine and uses those 
for delivery of the cordova plugin for the SWORD library:

https://www.npmjs.com/package/cordova-plugin-crosswire-sword

This should already make available the full SWORD engine to anyone 
wishing to write an iOS app in JavaScript/TypeScript.

Bishop does this and compiles for both iOS and Android:

https://crosswire.org/applications/#bishop

It's not a bad starting point for continued development.? I use it each 
day for my daily reading and to show manuscript evidence to people when 
they doubt the historicity of Scripture.

The Android version is one or two releases ahead of the iOS version 
simply because I don't keep active a macOS virtual machine around to 
build.? Would be nice to have something like that available for CI/CD.

Troy


On 1/14/25 12:46 PM, David Haslam wrote:
> FYI.
>
> I emailed Nic Carter and he responded with a cc: to Michael.
>
> In his second paragraph, he made these technical observations:
>
> //Given the rapid development of Apple?s frameworks on iOS, it?s hard to keep an app ?up to date? and even compiling on iOS! I have looked a little at the situation and in the end I decided there was so much work required updating the ObjectiveC++ app that it would be a much better idea to simply port it over to Swift, rather than port it over to the new ObjC frameworks at this point. Some parts can be left as ObjC, but that?s pretty much just the libsword C++ wrappers, all the UI should be ported given it?s possible ObjC support could be dropped by Apple any time in the next 5 years?//
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>
> On Tuesday, January 14th, 2025 at 2:56 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson <kahunapule at eBible.org> wrote:
>
>> I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to contribute to that effort, please let me know.
>>
>>
>> On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
>>
>>> FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
>>>
>>> https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam dfhdfh at protonmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App Store!
>>>>
>>>> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
>>>>
>>>> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
>>>>
>>>> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
>>>>
>>>> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any progress since then.
>>>>
>>>> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
>>>> http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
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From cmahte at gmail.com  Tue Jan 14 07:50:53 2025
From: cmahte at gmail.com (Michael H)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 06:50:53 -0600
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <ea439f14-488c-43e3-9124-51964e27c46c@crosswire.org>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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STEPBible is also on IOS. AFAIK it uses sword internally. and is open
source.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 6:47?AM Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org>
wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> As Fr.  Cyrille mentions, Bishop is available on iOS.
>
> Bishop builds Swift wrappers around the SWORD C++ engine and uses those
> for delivery of the cordova plugin for the SWORD library:
>
> https://www.npmjs.com/package/cordova-plugin-crosswire-sword
>
> This should already make available the full SWORD engine to anyone
> wishing to write an iOS app in JavaScript/TypeScript.
>
> Bishop does this and compiles for both iOS and Android:
>
> https://crosswire.org/applications/#bishop
>
> It's not a bad starting point for continued development.  I use it each
> day for my daily reading and to show manuscript evidence to people when
> they doubt the historicity of Scripture.
>
> The Android version is one or two releases ahead of the iOS version
> simply because I don't keep active a macOS virtual machine around to
> build.  Would be nice to have something like that available for CI/CD.
>
> Troy
>
>
> On 1/14/25 12:46 PM, David Haslam wrote:
> > FYI.
> >
> > I emailed Nic Carter and he responded with a cc: to Michael.
> >
> > In his second paragraph, he made these technical observations:
> >
> > //Given the rapid development of Apple?s frameworks on iOS, it?s hard to
> keep an app ?up to date? and even compiling on iOS! I have looked a little
> at the situation and in the end I decided there was so much work required
> updating the ObjectiveC++ app that it would be a much better idea to simply
> port it over to Swift, rather than port it over to the new ObjC frameworks
> at this point. Some parts can be left as ObjC, but that?s pretty much just
> the libsword C++ wrappers, all the UI should be ported given it?s possible
> ObjC support could be dropped by Apple any time in the next 5 years?//
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > David
> >
> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 14th, 2025 at 2:56 AM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson
> <kahunapule at eBible.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that
> probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to
> contribute to that effort, please let me know.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
> >>
> >>> FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
> >>>
> >>> https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> >>>
> >>> On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam
> dfhdfh at protonmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from
> the App Store!
> >>>>
> >>>> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
> >>>>
> >>>> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the
> software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only
> for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
> >>>>
> >>>> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next
> month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not
> updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had
> volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any
> progress since then.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and
> iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
> >>>> http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
> >>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
> >> http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
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From refdoc at gmx.net  Tue Jan 14 10:12:03 2025
From: refdoc at gmx.net (refdoc at gmx.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 15:12:03 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
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From dfhdfh at protonmail.com  Tue Jan 14 10:29:29 2025
From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 15:29:29 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] Bishop for iPadOS - links in the Daily Devotional
 module MCheyne ?
Message-ID: <kzEY7EzPBp1TWtGTGIuDRXpCZoi9WLP9U0i0gOXjMs5oEXLcmTr5f6PkKD0GZ5EUg7w2DMFfJul4MJjgOIljc_e_CE-E2vBFRjbvTClvHpg=@protonmail.com>

Today I tried out Bishop in my iPad Mini 4, following the suggestion that I try Bishop in case we lose PocketSword forever.

Aside: The KJV module was already installed, but it needed to be updated.

Afterwards, I installed the Daily Devotional module MCheyne from the Xiphos repo.

M'Cheyne's Bible Reading Calendar

After selecting MCheyne, and seeing the four readings for Today, I discovered that clicking any of the links took me to Revelation 1:1 rather than the actual passage for today!

Family Reading: Genesis 15
Family Reading: Matthew 14
Secret Reading: Nehemiah 4
Secret Reading: Acts 14

The links in mcheyne.dat are very simple! e.g.  
<scripRef>Genesis 15</scripRef>

i.e. They don't use OSIS XML constructs!

cf. These MCheyne module links always work fine in PocketSword !
The only minor issue is when the passage is a [chapter] range.
In that case, the passage selector ends up indicating the last chapter as having been selected, even though the screen displays the first chapter in the range.

NB. Within Bishop, links in the Daily devotional module SME work properly.

btw. Clicking such a link from MCheyne in Xiphos for Windows gives an error too!
 BUG! Xiphos is about to crash due to a STRDUP error.
However, there's no means to select the error popup text in Xiphos.
I have no recollection of testing this Daily Devotional module in Xiphos before today. It's conceivable that the issue has always been there. I mention this merely for comparison now that I'm reporting what happens in Bishop.

Can Bishop be improved such that these simple <scripRef>...</scripRef> links will work correctly?

Best regards,

David

Sent with Proton Mail secure email.

From maxmmur at gmail.com  Tue Jan 14 11:44:55 2025
From: maxmmur at gmail.com (Maxwell Murunga)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:44:55 +0300
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <0b77ae97-dcde-4510-8877-1c11e6080aa1@eBible.org>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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As a long-time PocketSword user, I am willing to contribute to this effort.

I am fairly familiar with the PocketSword source code, having built it
several times about 5 years ago. Even at the time, it was already in the
realm of "legacy"; I could tell that it desperately needed to be ported
over to Swift.

Back then, Swift was not directly interoperable with C++. You had to use
Objective-C bridging headers. However, that changed last year or so and now
Swift is directly interoperable with C++.

The best way forward, in my opinion, seems to be porting PocketSword from
Objective C++ to Swift. Tools like Github Copilot or Swiftify could make
this a breeze.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 5:57?AM Kahunapule Michael Johnson <
kahunapule at ebible.org> wrote:

> I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that
> probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to
> contribute to that effort, please let me know.
>
>
> On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
> > FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
> >
> > https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > David
> >
> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> >
> > On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam <
> dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the
> App Store!
> >>
> >> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
> >>
> >> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software
> after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
> >>
> >> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for
> iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
> >>
> >> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month
> Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to
> their latest data privacy standards?"
> >>
> >> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had
> volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any
> progress since then.
> >>
> >> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad
> devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> > _______________________________________________
> > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
> > http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
> > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dfhdfh at protonmail.com  Tue Jan 14 12:25:21 2025
From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:25:21 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <CAMYRk0H4-GaNF-=intdOBnMPh=1mufMmTjM9id6VSjt3gM-0kA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5jIUOrZu_2c5DyzAAd8To7qGMFNb-mqYyNNOunse7XGBpI_qhkaH2BzSMuc4ssWzRkghgvZD1jmwhf2cnvZ1jArScYkHDAryCbTSn36p47A=@protonmail.com>

It would be nice if the sender of the previous reply might introduce himself/herself to the team.

Has anyone used the GitHub facility to import the PocketSword repository from Atlassian BitBucket?

Nic's source code is at https://bitbucket.org/niccarter/pocketsword

Best regards,

David

Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) secure email.

On Tuesday, January 14th, 2025 at 4:44 PM, Maxwell Murunga <maxmmur at gmail.com> wrote:

> As a long-time PocketSword user, I am willing to contribute to this effort.
>
> I am fairly familiar with the PocketSword source code, having built it several times about 5 years ago. Even at the time, it was already in the realm of "legacy"; I could tell that it desperately needed to be ported over to Swift.
>
> Back then, Swift was not directly interoperable with C++. You had to use Objective-C bridging headers. However, that changed last year or so and now Swift is directly interoperable with C++.
>
> The best way forward, in my opinion, seems to be porting PocketSword from Objective C++ to Swift. Tools like Github Copilot or Swiftify could make this a breeze.
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 5:57?AM Kahunapule Michael Johnson <kahunapule at ebible.org> wrote:
>
>> I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to contribute to that effort, please let me know.
>>
>> On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
>>> FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
>>>
>>> https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App Store!
>>>>
>>>> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
>>>>
>>>> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
>>>>
>>>> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
>>>>
>>>> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any progress since then.
>>>>
>>>> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
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From refdoc at gmx.net  Tue Jan 14 13:09:39 2025
From: refdoc at gmx.net (Peter von Kaehne)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 18:09:39 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] Bishop for iPadOS - links in the Daily Devotional
 module MCheyne ?
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From contact at tklein.info  Tue Jan 14 15:00:18 2025
From: contact at tklein.info (Tobias Klein)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 21:00:18 +0100
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <CAHxvOVLOCBh=FOahFVkJvYGWpuqTppHEDCnc7c4BcOxQ5et-HA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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Thanks for bringing that up, Greg.

The only reason why Ezra Bible App is not available on iOS is my fear of 
the regular additional release / testing overhead. I even have iOS devices 
in the household.

In general, it should be possible to build the app for iOS based on the 
frameworks/ technology I'm using.

If someone is willing to take on the regular testing and release effort, 
I'd be glad to support the learning curve and any problem solving needed to 
get the initial build and integration job done.

The other thing that may be required is the Apple developer license to 
support notarization. I have that to generate the macOS build, but it may 
be needed for every additional developer who wants to independently build a 
release binary.

Best regards,
Tobias

Am 14. Januar 2025 04:23:48 schrieb Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com>:
> Is there a reason, if a rewrite is in the works, not to collaborate along 
> with another effort that is cross-platform capable? There are several good 
> toolkits already out there that can produce very serviceable mobile apps. 
> Ezra is built, I believe, on Apache's Cordova and already works very well 
> across a variety of screen sizes. I've used it on desktop and on my phone. 
> And it even adapts well between my phone in narrow mode and in foldable 
> mode (I have a Pixel 9 Pro Fold), properly using the extra screen real 
> estate that it gains in open mode.
>
> Thus, an iOS build of it could probably be produced as well as an iPadOS 
> version that adapts well. I don't think a version is currently being built 
> for iOS but I think that's just a limitation of the developer not using or 
> having Mac devices.
>
> --Greg
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 8:57?PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson 
> <kahunapule at ebible.org> wrote:
> I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that probably 
> the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to 
> contribute to that effort, please let me know.
>
>
> On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
>> FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
>>
>> https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam 
>> <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the App 
>>> Store!
>>>
>>> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
>>>
>>> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the software 
>>> after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
>>>
>>> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only for iOS 
>>> 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
>>>
>>> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next month 
>>> Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not updated to 
>>> their latest data privacy standards?"
>>>
>>> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had 
>>> volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any 
>>> progress since then.
>>>
>>> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and iPad 
>>> devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>> _______________________________________________
>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
>> http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
>
>
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From dfhdfh at protonmail.com  Tue Jan 14 16:14:07 2025
From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 21:14:07 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] Bishop for iPadOS - links in the Daily Devotional
 module MCheyne ?
In-Reply-To: <B4D52D96-4691-D14A-9AFB-E8B47632C0C1@hxcore.ol>
References: <kzEY7EzPBp1TWtGTGIuDRXpCZoi9WLP9U0i0gOXjMs5oEXLcmTr5f6PkKD0GZ5EUg7w2DMFfJul4MJjgOIljc_e_CE-E2vBFRjbvTClvHpg=@protonmail.com>
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Thanks Peter,

I think that would require someone to develop a bespoke script to convert mcheyne.dat to OSIS XML, not only to properly structure it as XML, but also to accurately convert each ThML scripRef element to OSIS, taking account of the special cases where the reference is for a range (whether more than one whole chapter, or even including part of a chapter).

btw. There are several other early DD modules which are still based on ThML scripRef elements. Some of these are found in the CrossWire repository.
It's not only the Xiphos repository which contains modules that are quite old.

Best regards,

David

Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) secure email.

On Tuesday, January 14th, 2025 at 6:09 PM, Peter von Kaehne <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:

> There is a long-standing misunderstood THML encoding of such references in some old modules, including this one. Today I think thanks to the phasing out of ThML in CrossWire repos itself the issue is concentrated on Xiphos. Basically the behaviour you describe as working is undefined and not intentional. The module should get updated.
>
> Sent from [Outlook for iOS](https://aka.ms/o0ukef)
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: sword-devel <sword-devel-bounces at crosswire.org> on behalf of David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2025 3:29 pm
> To: sword-devel mailing list <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
> Subject: [sword-devel] Bishop for iPadOS - links in the Daily Devotional module MCheyne ?
>
> Today I tried out Bishop in my iPad Mini 4, following the suggestion that I try Bishop in case we lose PocketSword forever.
>
> Aside: The KJV module was already installed, but it needed to be updated.
>
> Afterwards, I installed the Daily Devotional module MCheyne from the Xiphos repo.
>
> M'Cheyne's Bible Reading Calendar
>
> After selecting MCheyne, and seeing the four readings for Today, I discovered that clicking any of the links took me to Revelation 1:1 rather than the actual passage for today!
>
> Family Reading: Genesis 15
> Family Reading: Matthew 14
> Secret Reading: Nehemiah 4
> Secret Reading: Acts 14
>
> The links in mcheyne.dat are very simple! e.g.
> <scripRef>Genesis 15</scripRef>
>
> i.e. They don't use OSIS XML constructs!
>
> cf. These MCheyne module links always work fine in PocketSword !
> The only minor issue is when the passage is a [chapter] range.
> In that case, the passage selector ends up indicating the last chapter as having been selected, even though the screen displays the first chapter in the range.
>
> NB. Within Bishop, links in the Daily devotional module SME work properly.
>
> btw. Clicking such a link from MCheyne in Xiphos for Windows gives an error too!
> BUG! Xiphos is about to crash due to a STRDUP error.
> However, there's no means to select the error popup text in Xiphos.
> I have no recollection of testing this Daily Devotional module in Xiphos before today. It's conceivable that the issue has always been there. I mention this merely for comparison now that I'm reporting what happens in Bishop.
>
> Can Bishop be improved such that these simple <scripRef>...</scripRef> links will work correctly?
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
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From adyeths at gmail.com  Tue Jan 14 21:32:47 2025
From: adyeths at gmail.com (Ryan)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 02:32:47 +0000
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <ea439f14-488c-43e3-9124-51964e27c46c@crosswire.org>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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Am I the only android user who can't find Bishop on Google Play anymore?





>Bishop does this and compiles for both iOS and Android:
>
>https://crosswire.org/applications/#bishop
>

From maxmmur at gmail.com  Tue Jan 14 22:57:18 2025
From: maxmmur at gmail.com (Maxwell Murunga)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 06:57:18 +0300
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <5jIUOrZu_2c5DyzAAd8To7qGMFNb-mqYyNNOunse7XGBpI_qhkaH2BzSMuc4ssWzRkghgvZD1jmwhf2cnvZ1jArScYkHDAryCbTSn36p47A=@protonmail.com>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMYRk0GEyb6WdVa6Oe42dm+sZCmkKZ+V79O0yRfr9WnZ7JyYMA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks David, please pardon that,
I sent the message while engaged elsewhere, and had not thought it
necessary to introduce myself since I was last active here in 2020. I also
took it for granted that everyone could see my name since Gmail does that
on my end.
My name is Mr. Maxwell Murunga. I do native iOS development, native Android
development, and fullstack Web development. On the SWORD side of things, I
am mostly interested in iOS, and can contribute to any iOS related issues.
Blessings,
Maxwell.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 8:42?PM David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:

> It would be nice if the sender of the previous reply might introduce
> himself/herself to the team.
>
> Has anyone used the GitHub facility to import the PocketSword repository
> from Atlassian BitBucket?
>
> Nic's source code is at  https://bitbucket.org/niccarter/pocketsword
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> secure email.
>
> On Tuesday, January 14th, 2025 at 4:44 PM, Maxwell Murunga <
> maxmmur at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As a long-time PocketSword user, I am willing to contribute to this effort.
> I am fairly familiar with the PocketSword source code, having built it
> several times about 5 years ago. Even at the time, it was already in the
> realm of "legacy"; I could tell that it desperately needed to be ported
> over to Swift.
>
> Back then, Swift was not directly interoperable with C++. You had to use
> Objective-C bridging headers. However, that changed last year or so and now
> Swift is directly interoperable with C++.
>
> The best way forward, in my opinion, seems to be porting PocketSword from
> Objective C++ to Swift. Tools like Github Copilot or Swiftify could make
> this a breeze.
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 5:57?AM Kahunapule Michael Johnson <
> kahunapule at ebible.org> wrote:
>
>> I discussed this with a volunteer developer, today. We agreed that
>> probably the best way forward was a rewrite/replacement. If anyone wants to
>> contribute to that effort, please let me know.
>>
>>
>> On 1/13/25 00:26, David Haslam wrote:
>> > FYI: I've just noted the discovery in the developers' wiki
>> >
>> > https://wiki.crosswire.org/Frontends:PocketSword
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>> >
>> > On Sunday, January 12th, 2025 at 10:12 PM, David Haslam <
>> dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> Today I discovered that PocketSword is no longer downloadable from the
>> App Store!
>> >>
>> >> NB. I've already alerted Michael Johnson via Messenger.
>> >>
>> >> cf. The original developer (Nic Carter) stopped developing the
>> software after he moved to teach in New Zealand several years ago.
>> >>
>> >> Presumably, Apple has ruled that those apps that were designed only
>> for iOS 10 or earlier should be removed from the store.
>> >>
>> >> cf. Back in late 2020, I ask them "Is there a high risk that next
>> month Apple may disqualify PocketSword from the App Store if it?s not
>> updated to their latest data privacy standards?"
>> >>
>> >> Michael informed us in May 2022 that his friend Craig Ahlman had
>> volunteered to work on PocketSword. Even so, there's been no news of any
>> progress since then.
>> >>
>> >> I would be very sad if this excellent front-end app for iPhone and
>> iPad devices could not be brought back to see the light of day.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org
>> > http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>> > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
>>
>>
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From scribe at crosswire.org  Wed Jan 15 07:45:18 2025
From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:45:18 +0100
Subject: [sword-devel] PocketSword
In-Reply-To: <7DF57C54-6030-4D94-B3B6-FC519EAD3EDA@gmail.com>
References: <vItkhElQ4SYKEYQq9DsWqMHhDfxADxHRuXWbhQHvXjWxEWyIv-_5iKCZoFfDdxlvcPXXJH9LVmXRgLg4NHIhaFaSiE1KkEc0wPH8rlxX3iQ=@protonmail.com>
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Message-ID: <296ea5c0-90e2-421b-95e0-383c53a3b372@crosswire.org>

Hi Ryan,

No, you are not the only one.? Marjan pointed this out to me a couple 
days ago when I first posted in this thread.? Looking into it, Google 
had removed Bishop 2 weeks ago because we had not properly identified 
CrossWire Bible Society as an organization with our D-U-N-S number and 
government issued trade name license. I started that process then and we 
have now been confirmed and our apps are back in the store:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.crosswire.bishop


On 1/15/25 3:32 AM, Ryan wrote:
> Am I the only android user who can't find Bishop on Google Play anymore?
>
>
>
>
>
>> Bishop does this and compiles for both iOS and Android:
>>
>> https://crosswire.org/applications/#bishop
>>
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From domcox at crosswire.org  Fri Jan 17 13:12:29 2025
From: domcox at crosswire.org (domcox at crosswire.org)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 13:12:29 -0500
Subject: [sword-devel] Module release: FreCrampon
Message-ID: <20250117181229.5362411F83E@mail.crosswire.org>

Dear All,

This is to announce that we have just now uploaded FreCrampon
in the CrossWire (main) repository.

## Language:
French

## Description:
La Bible Augustin Crampon 1923

## Category:
Biblical Text

## Version:
This is an update. Version: 3.1

## What's new:
Addition of notes, crossreferences, titles.

Many thanks to Cyrille_LAfricain for the hard work.

We wish you enjoyable reading,
The Module Team

P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module