[sword-devel] Question about strong morph and xiphos

[Fr Cyrille]

Hi Friends,
Thank you for the answers. For Pierre, look in KJV:
diatheke -b KJV -o mn -f FMT_OSIS -k Gen 1:1
Genesis 1:1: <w lemma="strong:H07225" savlm="strong:H07225">In the 
beginning</w> <w lemma="strong:H0430" savlm="strong:H0430">God</w> <w 
lemma="strong:H0853 strong:H01254" morph="*strongMorph:TH8804*" 
savlm="strong:H0853 strong:H01254">created</w> <w lemma="strong:H08064" 
savlm="strong:H08064">the heaven</w> <w lemma="strong:H0853" 
savlm="strong:H0853">and</w> <w lemma="strong:H0776" 
savlm="strong:H0776">the earth</w>.
(KJV)
You can see what I'm seeking about. It's exactly what Troy said.

Le 18/06/2022 à 21:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
> I believe I understand what we're talking about, but please correct me 
> if I am wrong.
>
> A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, our data from Bible 
> Foundation which was originally produced by them with the intend to be 
> used by the Online Bible software package had "extended strongs" 
> numbers which identified various verb tenses. So verbs would have 2 
> numbers, the first for the strongs lemma and the second for the 
> parsing of the verb.
Yes. And I have this numbers in the French strong dictionary and in the 
Chinese strong dictionary.
>
> We are not trying to continue to support this system. Please do not 
> include these numbers in new modules.
OK, but I'm speaking about an update of an old module. Can I remove it? 
I'm speaking only about the Old Testament. For the NT the mapping is 
working fine.
Removing it is easy, but if we create a new module, called by instance 
"StrongMorph" It can be useful too, no?

>
> Hope that helps,
Yes it's helping.
>
> Troy

@all: And about Xiphos, no body planned to work on it?
>
> On June 18, 2022 8:41:13 PM GMT+02:00, pierre amadio 
> <amadio.pierre at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Hi there !
>
>     I am confused.
>     Morphological code are about grammar parsing, not about lexicon entry.
>
>     Looking at the Byz and KJV module:
>     diatheke -b Byz -o mn -f FMT_OSIS -k Mark 1:1
>
>     For the first word with the Byz module:
>     <w lemma="strong:G746" morph="robinson:N-NSF" savlm="strong:G746">αρχη</w>
>
>     I have a the following output with the KJV module:
>     <w lemma="strong:G746" morph="robinson:N-NSF" savlm="strong:G746
>     lemma.TR:αρχη" src="1">The beginning</w>
>
>     Same strong number, (G746), same morph code (robinson:N-NSF)
>
>     If i use xiphos (packaged in debian 11), I can see both data with both
>     modules (after I enable the right click/ module options)
>     I also see more info for the morph code and strong lexicon in the
>     preview windows when the cursor touches a code.
>
>     What precisely do you mean by "KJV seems to me to use the morphology
>     of the numbers of Strong." ?
>
>     On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 at 19:34, Fr Cyrille<fr.cyrille at tiberiade.be>  wrote:
>
>         Hello, I would like to share here a problem on some module. I
>         would like to have your opinion on the matter. Rwebster and
>         KJV seems to me to use the morphology of the numbers of
>         Strong. However, no dictionary allows to access it. For Greek
>         I found a solution by rewriting some modules like Byz and
>         adding the links of the numbers of strong in Robinson's
>         dictionary. So for Greek it is now possible to point
>         morph="robinson:STRONGNUMBER". For Hebrew I don't have an
>         equivalent. I tried to match the strong numbers that deal with
>         morphology with the oshm dictionary, but it's way too
>         complicated. I have also for test add the morphological strong
>         numbers to the French strong dictionnary. This works with
>         Bibletime, which looks in the strong dictionary for the
>         corresponding number. But Xiphos is unfortunately unable to
>         read this. I would have liked to know how we could solve this
>         problem. I take the opportunity to call on those who develop
>         Xiphos. The software is really a great tool, but unfortunately
>         nobody works on it seriously anymore. I fear that one day it
>         will be completely abandoned. That would be a big loss for
>         Crosswire. Thanks in advance, en Cyrille
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