[sword-devel] Strong's numbers: Numbers or strings

[pierre amadio]

Fixing this for the OSHB module should be trivial.
Let me know if you want me to do it.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 17:20, Fr Cyrille <fr.cyrille at tiberiade.be> wrote:
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> Le 27/01/2022 à 15:07, David Haslam a écrit :
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> What Karl has observed is a long-standing problem.
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> Might it be feasible to employ a suitable regular expression to match the Strong’s H number whether or not it has any leading zero[s]?
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> This would have to be done under the hood for this type of search, as it’s quite a different task than a user entered regex search.
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> But should such a workaround be better implemented in the SWORD API rather than as a kludge in a front-end?
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> And if so, how should JSword based front-ends also address the issue?
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> AndBible reads very well the Strong hebrew numbers.
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> David
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> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 13:27, Karl Kleinpaste <karl at kleinpaste.org> wrote:
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> I have a Xiphos bug in which the facility to take a Strong's dict entry and search the Bible module for all its occurrences sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.
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> The mechanism is straightforward: Take the key from the dict pane, note whether this is Heb or Grk, construct e.g. lemma:Hxxxxx, stuff that into the sidebar search, and execute the search. No sweat.
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> The problem is with Heb refs. Because of the ancient habit that Heb Strong's refs are given a leading zero prefix (e.g. "07225") as a weak discriminant from Grk refs in the same number space, I actually handle this case explicitly. Strong's module keys are fixed, 5-digit strings, and the dict pane always shows this. When that key is taken to build the lemma search, I specifically include the last leading zero in the Heb case.
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> This works in KJV and ESV where we find "<w savlm="strong:H07225">In the beginning</w>".
> This fails in NASB and OSHB where we find "<w savlm="strong:H7225">In the beginning</w>".
> Note H07225 vs H7225.
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> The question revolves around what a Strong's ref ontologically is. Seriously, what is it?
> Is it a number, written naturally with minimal required digits, stored for convenience in a character string?
> Or is it a specific and fixed string of characters?
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> In terms of module keys, it's a string of characters.
> In terms of Bible markup, well... Opinion varies. As we see in this case, some Bibles encode as a natural number, occupying the normal (minimal) digits needed, but others take the fixed string approach so as to include a leading zero, but note that it's not a full, fixed, 5-digit string to match a dict key; it's just one leading zero, no matter how many natural digits follow. KJV encodes the 1st Heb ref as "01". Not "1" (natural number) and not "00001" (module key); just "01".
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> Result is that, by constructing zero-prefixed searches, such searches always fail in Bibles using natural/minimal digits because there's never a zero-prefixed match.
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> This is different from Grk refs, which are stored in dict modules the same as Heb dict keys -- fixed 5-digit -- but are always marked up as natural numbers using minimal digits.
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> As matters stand, I have no a priori means by which to determine what to expect in a Bible's Heb Strong's markup. The dict pane's key from which to construct the search is fixed 5 digits. That is at first trimmed to natural, minimal digits...and then the trouble starts because I don't have anything like a module conf directive to tell me whether the module uses zero-prefixed Heb refs or not. I'm also not aware that we have any standard for such markup to which I can point to say, "NASB's markup is wrong because it lacks zero-prefixing on Heb refs."
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> Help.
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