[sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

[David Haslam]

Hi Troy,

I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough free time.

We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all the good work from 2.5 through 2.9

If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10 which is still in preparation and has been for several years.

I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to attend to today.

Happy Easter!

David

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On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org> wrote:

> A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between versions of our KJV 2.4 and 2.5.
>
> 2.4 reads correctly. 2.5 has this problem. Unfortunately we have uninformative information in our History .conf entries between these versions.
>
> I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.
>
> Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could possibly change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover how this could happen, what other problems this might have introduced in revision 2.5?
>
> Troy
>
> On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>
>> This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules (which was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm that Romans 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.
>>
>> DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text and how that might be the cause of other corruptions?
>>
>> Troy
>>
>> On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara [<vtamara at pasosdeJesus.org>](mailto:vtamara at pasosdeJesus.org) wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
>>> the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
>>> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688&t=KJV
>>> the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
>>> https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm
>>> also shows that the word would be
>>> ὄνος
>>>
>>> Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
>>> number G3688 is ὄνος:
>>>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G3688 lemma.TR:ονου" morph="robinson:N-GSF" src="13">an
>>> ass’s</w>
>>>
>>> (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
>>>
>>> Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
>>> number 3588.
>>>
>>> I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
>>> module:
>>>
>>> * Mat 26:11
>>> * Mat 26:12
>>> * Mat 26:45
>>> * Mat 26:69
>>> * Mat 27:46
>>> * Mark 1:9
>>> * Mark 5:30
>>> * Mark 13:20
>>> * Luke 2:38
>>> * Luke 8.46
>>> * Luke 14:21
>>> * Luke 16:9
>>> * II Corinthians 1:8
>>> * II Corinthians 1:9
>>> * II Corinthians 8:14
>>> * Revelation of John 11:4
>>> * Revelation of John 14:7
>>>
>>> Blessings.
>>>
>>> El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
>>>
>>>> Good morning in the Lord
>>>>
>>>> For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:
>>>>
>>>> <w lemma="strong:G3688 strong:G2540 lemma.TR:τω lemma.TR:καιρω"
>>>> morph="robinson:T-DSM robinson:N-DSM" src="12 14">time</w>
>>>>
>>>> that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688
>>>>
>>>> However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is
>>>> αιματι:
>>>> <w lemma="strong:G3688 strong:G129 lemma.TR:τω lemma.TR:αιματι"
>>>> morph="robinson:T-DSN robinson:N-DSN" src="10 12">blood</w>
>>>>
>>>> And for example at
>>>> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588&t=KJV
>>>> I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is
>>>> interchangeable
>>>> with τῷ.
>>>>
>>>> Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
>>>> stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.
>>>>
>>>> Blessings
>>
>> --
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>>
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