[sword-devel] A question about Generic book modules

Sun Jun 7 14:01:24 EDT 2020

Timmy Braun has tried xml2gbs in Windows 10.

The .idx & .dat files were created, but only every other SECTION of the resulting test module LBC1646 were displayed.
i.e. SECTION I, III, V, VII, IX,...
Very weird behaviour!

To compare the results with the module built properly under Linux might be instructive.
Use osis2mod to dump both builds and then use diff.

Best regards,

David

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On Thursday, 4 June 2020 09:02, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:

> I just tried with MSE stopped.  It made no difference at all.
>
> David
>
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> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 22:23, Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 15:41 David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The only AV that I use is Windows Security Essentials.
>>> This has never caused me any issues with other Sword utilities, so I doubt it could be the culprit for xml2gbs. There's nothing in its quarantine storage.
>>
>> Can you try running the import with that disabled? It's still a worthwhile avenue to explore.
>>
>> --Greg
>>
>>> I noticed during a further test earlier this evening that during the fleeting existence of both files, their sizes never exceeded 0 bytes. I suppose therefore that no data is being written to them, and tentatively surmise that in case of build errors, xml2gbs might have a routine to remove empty files as it finishes. It's a plausible conjecture.
>>>
>>> Timmy has since built the module under Linux and sent it to me. It works fine.
>>> He and another list member have both offered to try using xml2gbs under Windows 10.
>>> That may await tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
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>>> On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:46, Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:41 PM David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well I guess there's at least one Windows 10 user on this mailing list, so it would be useful to know whether the same issue occurs on that supported operating system, even if one accepts that Windows 7 is past its official end of support for non-enterprise customers.
>>>>
>>>> No one is doubting the users in Windows. Windows just has never been a supported venue for the utilities. They are not really designed to be end-user-supported in the same way that the applications and library are. And, as such, there aren't really utility developers on Windows.
>>>>
>>>>> Aside: There's still a very large install base of Windows 7 systems worldwide. Many businesses have never migrated to Windows 10.
>>>>>
>>>>> Creating two files (according to design) and then almost immediately deleting them is very bizarre. There must be a rational explanation. It might turn out to be so simple that (in theory at least) it could be very easily rectified.
>>>>
>>>> I have only seen this in one scenario, before, and that was virus/malware monitoring software. Do you have any such security software installed? Can you check to see if it is getting in the way? Try seeing if it has quarantined the files, if so, and then try running with it disabled.
>>>>
>>>> --Greg
>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
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>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>> On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 18:10, Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:50 AM David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Be that as it may, it would be helpful if someone could go the extra mile beyond the call of duty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't hold your breath. None of the developers of the utilities are Windows users, nor do they support running an unsupported version of the tools on an unsupported version of the operating system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As it is, I have no means to test a new GenBook module until it’s been put in CrossWire Beta by Dom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/hyper-v-on-windows/about/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.virtualbox.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.vmware.com/products/workstation-player/workstation-player-evaluation.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is decidedly not true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Greg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 15:44, Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will remind you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Windows builds of the utilities are not officially supported at all
>>>>>>>> 2) Builds of the utilities from any source other than SVN trunk are not supported at all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This problem falls into both categories and is, therefore, not a supported situation that is likely to garner any attention.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Greg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 09:36 David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://tracker.crosswire.org/browse/MODTOOLS-104
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 14:33, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My Sword path is not in the part of the system that Windows guards like that!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's where any normal Windows user with the same name would have it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\David\AppData\Roaming\Sword
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For my own convenience, I have subst s: <sword_path> as one of the several substitute drives made during startup.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I never had such a weird problem with other module creation tools.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Aside (especially for Tom): Eggshell™ is Sean Connery's favourite spreadsheet program.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 14:22, Tom Sullivan <info at beforgiven.info> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I gave up on Microslop and Windoze years ago. So I am way out of date,
>>>>>>>>>>> but even several years ago, Windoze would, for security reasons, restore
>>>>>>>>>>> changed system files and delete foreign files unless certain settings
>>>>>>>>>>> were made. C:\, was protected then, and maybe now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think you got hit by Windoze is smarter than you behavior. Try cd to
>>>>>>>>>>> your "my documents" directory and repeat. If you see a 3 files, then
>>>>>>>>>>> you have a Windoze problem. You should be able to break your script into
>>>>>>>>>>> simpler steps and fix things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Sullivan
>>>>>>>>>>> info at BeForgiven.INFO
>>>>>>>>>>> FAX: 815-301-2835
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/3/20 9:10 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > I followed Timmy's sensible suggestion, which was something I'd pondered
>>>>>>>>>>> > myself already.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Now here's what I observed.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Files lbc1646.dat and lbc1646.idx appeared /momentarily/ in the
>>>>>>>>>>> > Make folder, but simply vanished when lbc1646.bdt finished being
>>>>>>>>>>> > created.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Does anyone have a plausible explanation for such bizarre behaviour?
>>>>>>>>>>> > Were they moved to some unknown destination or simply deleted?
>>>>>>>>>>> > Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> > David
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>>>>>>>>>>> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 13:34, Timmy tim.bze at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > Hi David,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > As Tom also mentioned, I run the command on linux, in your case, like
>>>>>>>>>>> > > this:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > ..\utils64\xml2gbs -fO ..\Import\OSIS\OSIS-lbc1646.fix.xml lbc1646
>>>>>>>>>>> > > Windows also can have issues if there are spaces in the path. I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> > > know if your full path has any spaces, but you might want to try
>>>>>>>>>>> > > running from c:\ directly, or some path that has no spaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > After command runs, the 3 files are in current directory. If it does
>>>>>>>>>>> > > not work on Windows then there might be wins problem, not sure.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > *
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > Timmy Braun*
>>>>>>>>>>> > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:23 AM David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> > > mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > Thanks Tom,
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > The module name is [LBC1646] (as specified in my .conf file), and
>>>>>>>>>>> > > that points to the right module path.
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > This was the command in my CMD file, all of which are stored in a
>>>>>>>>>>> > > folder called Make under my Sword path.
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > ..\\utils64\\xml2gbs -fO ..\\Import\\OSIS\\OSIS-lbc1646.fix.xml
>>>>>>>>>>> > > ..\\modules\\genbook\\rawgenbook\\lbc1646\\lbc1646 2>..\\Log\\error.log
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > NB. utils64 is a symbolic link to where I installed the Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> > > edition of Sword utilities (x64 version).
>>>>>>>>>>> > > Likewise, the Import folder is one I created some years ago. The
>>>>>>>>>>> > > Log folder is similar.
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > This command created the file called lbc1646.bdt in the right
>>>>>>>>>>> > > place, but did not create the other two files.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > And, yes, I've looked for them elsewhere too!
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > So am I doing something wrong or is there a deficiency in the
>>>>>>>>>>> > > Windows edition of xml2gbs ?
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > David
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
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>>>>>>>>>>> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>>>>>>> > > On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 12:57, Tom Sullivan
>>>>>>>>>>> > > <info at beforgiven.info <mailto:info at beforgiven.info>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > David:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > You will have cd to a temporary directory xml2gbs as xml2gbs
>>>>>>>>>>> > > just puts
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > its output in the current directory, then copy files from that
>>>>>>>>>>> > > temporary
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > directory to your .sword library as below, along with your .conf
>>>>>>>>>>> > > file.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > All three of those files are created simultaneously.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > After you copy from the temporary directory, you should have a .conf
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > file in .sword/mods.d, (done manually), and then from your temporary
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > directory: in .sword/modules/genbook/rawgenbook/somemodulename
>>>>>>>>>>> > > the three
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > files *.bdt, *.dat, *.idx.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > An images directory should be there also if there are images.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > This is Linux. I do not know what Windoze will do.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Tom
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Tom Sullivan
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > info at BeForgiven.INFO
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > FAX: 815-301-2835
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ---------------------> It's apparent that the .dat and .idx
>>>>>>>>>>> > > files are
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > needed for the module to function aright.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > When I tried to open the new module in Xiphos, nothing was
>>>>>>>>>>> > > displayed.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > So please would someone explain how I can make these two files
>>>>>>>>>>> > > so that my new module will work correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > David
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>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:18, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>>> > > dfhdfh at protonmail.com <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > I have just used xml2gbs to create a Generic book module for
>>>>>>>>>>> > > the first time.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > It created a module file with extension .bdt in the right
>>>>>>>>>>> > > location.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > All Generic book modules I've installed from CrossWire also
>>>>>>>>>>> > > have two more files in the module folder.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > One with extension .dat and one with .idx
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > I have not found anything on our wiki that describes what
>>>>>>>>>>> > > software tool is used to create these two files, nor an
>>>>>>>>>>> > > explanation of what they are for.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > Please would someone enlighten me.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > David
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