[sword-devel] KJV with strong numbers
Cyrille
lafricain79 at gmail.com
Fri Nov 15 13:10:21 EST 2019
My question was related to MOD-354
<https://tracker.crosswire.org/browse/MOD-354>, MOD-356
<https://tracker.crosswire.org/browse/MOD-356>. The second is easy to
solved, if the source are accessible.
Maybe it can be moved to our gitlab repo? It will be easier for the
collaboration.
Le 15/11/2019 à 12:35, Michael H a écrit :
> Deprecated indicates that new development won't follow this method,
> but current instances are maintained to provide the widest
> compatibility. I'm not aware this has been made obsolete, which would
> indicate it is no longer supported and will break the display or
> program. Until it is made Obsolete, I would recommend it be supported,
> since a rather large user base is currently using it. (Ubuntu LTS is
> the preferred desktop for Bible translation teams in East Africa, SE
> Asia and Latin America in the SIL, Wycliffe Bible translators, and to
> a lesser extent SEED company and Biblica.)
>
> What would the presence of the OSISqToTick parameter in a conf file
> mean to more recent desktops? will they ignore it, or will it produce
> bad results?
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:53 AM David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com
> <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>
> IIRC, the OSISqToTick key was deprecated some years ago.
>
> I think the problem is that CrossWire failed to release KJVA
> module version 3.1 in February 2017.
>
> On my PC this was made as a module named KJVAX and was rebuilt
> completely from KJV & KJVDC source files. The X in the module name
> is simply so that I could also retain the released module KJVA.
>
> Pretty certain that this was put to DM at the time.
>
> NB.
> It would seem that BibleTime is ignoring the attribute marker=“”
> in the OSIS q elements. That’s a software issue that needs fixing.
>
> David
>
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>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 16:23, Michael H <cmahte at gmail.com
> <mailto:cmahte at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> correction, the version is Bibletime 2.11.1, not 2.11.3.
>>
>> The KJVA module conf file contains the line "OSISqToTick=false".
>> I believe this is the cause of the missing quotations. I think
>> Bibletime is correctly displaying the quotes in modules as
>> defined by OSIS, where most frontends just ignore this
>> configuration, and remove the quotations on all WOJ. But I'm
>> really out of my depth here.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:17 AM Michael H <cmahte at gmail.com
>> <mailto:cmahte at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I see them in bibletime 2.11.3 for Linux (Ubuntu 18.04LTS)
>> built on Sword 1.7.3. This is the default edition that comes
>> in the apps provided by the current stable Ubuntu edition.
>>
>> In a 3 column view with the modules listed, engKJV1769eb,
>> KJV, and KJVA; only the KJVA displays silent transitions.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:01 AM David Haslam
>> <dfhdfh at protonmail.com <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> The CrossWire KJV module should not and does not display
>> quotation marks in either Xiphos or PocketSword &
>> probably all SWORD based front-end apps.
>>
>> If you see quotation marks at Words of Jesus transitions,
>> might this be a failure of some apps not
>> correctly implementing the attribute marker=“” in
>> rendering the OSIS q element?
>>
>> Which apps have such an issue?
>>
>> David
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 15:49, Michael H
>> <cmahte at gmail.com <mailto:cmahte at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I suspect starting from the KJVA module is the correct
>>> approach for you Cyrille. The engKJV1769eb module is
>>> present to make the text available in the other formats
>>> (web browser, epub, kindle formats.) It is not intended
>>> to be a source text. However, the conversion to all
>>> these formats reprocesses the text and introduces some
>>> quirks.
>>>
>>> The Crosswire KJV module is not identical to the
>>> engKJV1769eb module.
>>>
>>> 1. The ebible module does not contain Chapter titles,
>>> while the KJV and KJVA modules do.
>>> 2. The ebible module has more white space between
>>> features (pilcrows have trailing spaces, Words of Jesus
>>> transitions introduce an extra space, etc.) These are
>>> not present in the KJV and KJVA modules.
>>> 3. Both the ebible and KJV module display quotation
>>> marks where the Words of Jesus transitions occur. This
>>> is not present in the source text, but is apparently a
>>> quirk of OSIS (not sure if it's in the OSIS, or the conf
>>> file.) However, the KJVA module does NOT contain these
>>> quotations which is more appropriate. Yet it lists the
>>> same source as the KJV module.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 8:19 AM Cyrille
>>> <lafricain79 at gmail.com <mailto:lafricain79 at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 15/11/2019 à 09:08, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>> AFAIK, The OSIS XML files that eBible.org uses for
>>>> the engKJV1769eb module are not those that either I
>>>> or DM used for the CrossWire KJV & KJVA modules.
>>> I have the feeling again that we are wasting a mad
>>> energy by the dispersion of sources and parallel
>>> works. Two "identical" modules developed from two
>>> sources...
>>>>
>>>> I’ve really not looked in detail at how Michael
>>>> Johnson maintains his modules with Haiola.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 13:57, Cyrille
>>>> <lafricain79 at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:lafricain79 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Thank you Peter,
>>>>> I look in the conf file:
>>>>> TextSource=bf.org <http://bf.org>, eBible.org...
>>>>> eBible.org is ok
>>>>> And eBible.org is working, but how to do if we
>>>>> want to work on it? At the same time I discover
>>>>> that ebible is an excellent resource that stores
>>>>> bibles in usfm and osis formats.
>>>>> David, is your file different from ebible?
>>>>> Maybe a link to the ebible.org <http://ebible.org>
>>>>> (I could only download the usfm file) on wiki
>>>>> would be useful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 15/11/2019 à 05:27, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>>>> Strictly speaking, it’s maintained by DM Smith
>>>>>> - though I did some significant work on the
>>>>>> source text in 2016 in collaboration with DM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still keep such KJV files on my PC too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The wiki includes a roadmap for further potential
>>>>>> enhancements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:17, Peter Von Kaehne
>>>>>> <refdoc at gmx.net <mailto:refdoc at gmx.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Cyrille,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not on my computer, but I think the link to
>>>>>>> the source text is both in the conf file and
>>>>>>> accessible via the WIki.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 15. November 2019 um 03:26 Uhr
>>>>>>> *Von:* "Cyrille" <lafricain79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:lafricain79 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *An:* "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum"
>>>>>>> <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>>>>>> *Betreff:* [sword-devel] KJV with strong numbers
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> I red that the KJV with strong's numbers is a
>>>>>>> crosswire project
>>>>>>> <http://www.crosswire.org/sword/kjv2003/>, I'm
>>>>>>> just looking for where can I found the osis
>>>>>>> source text of this module?
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