[sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free Sword Modules

Fri Mar 15 07:47:56 MST 2019

For the parser built into Java, the schema (BTW, a nitpick, it’s not a DTD) needs to be local. It will not go across the network to retrieve it.

DM Smith

> On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:36 AM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah - but you do have to somewhere have an accessible copy of the DTD file. 
> 
> You can change its path to something else online (CrossWire or eBible) or (faster still) somewhere local and validation will work. 
> 
> But you have to first know that this is required, especially if you use a conversion script that uses the original path for the schema. 
> 
> As Tom explains, the other instances of the URL are not used for remote access. 
> 
> David
> 
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> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 14:26, Tom Sullivan <info at beforgiven.info <mailto:info at beforgiven.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Y'all:
>> 
>> If this question involves the use of that address www.bibletechnologies.net
>> with respect to XML and validation of an XML file, please note that it
>> has been a point of general confusion for XML users, but the address is
>> only a unique identifier. There is no need for any parser or validator
>> to actually access that URL. This is a rather obscure point.
>> 
>> If the question is otherwise, sorry for another email.
>> 
>> Tom Sullivan
>> info at BeForgiven.INFO
>> FAX: 815-301-2835
>> ---------------------
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/15/19 10:11 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>> > As regards the BibleTech conference.
>> >
>> > Much though I’d love to come to something I’ve never been to, there are
>> > personal circumstances preventing it this year.
>> >
>> > If Troy does attend, please can something be done about the permanent
>> > timeout that occurs for the domain specified in the OSIS header!
>> >
>> > http://www.bibletechnologies.net/
>> >
>> > This still needs fixing, even if the OSIS committee no longer convenes.
>> >
>> > Who is able to unravel this ?
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 00:44, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org
>> > <mailto:scribe at crosswire.org>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> To piggy-back on what Peter is saying...  from the last few emails, I
>> >> am not sure everyone is on the same page...
>> >>
>> >> Michael Paul Johnson already converts the free DBL texts to SWORD
>> >> modules automatically and makes them available for all of our software
>> >> (the ebible.org remote installation source).  As Peter says, I don't
>> >> believe an automated conversion of USX to OSIS is ideal, but it works
>> >> well enough to mostly read the text.  I think Michael has done the
>> >> best job he can do with an automated conversion of USX to OSIS to
>> >> SWORD module.
>> >>
>> >> My previous encouragement to proceed to pursue one Bible of interest
>> >> with a publisher was not an encouragement to do this with the intent
>> >> to start a 3rd party company to sell content for CrossWire software
>> >> for that publisher.  My encouragement was to follow our policy and
>> >> negotiate as a volunteer of CrossWire and explain CrossWire's policy
>> >> to the publisher and offer to do the work and let the publisher sell
>> >> their unlock key.  To be clear, I would discourage anyone from
>> >> pursuing an effort to start another organization to become a middleman
>> >> selling publisher data for CrossWire software.  There are very good
>> >> reasons we are a non-income organization and it has served us well.
>> >> It removes jealousy from any individual making money from the
>> >> collaboration of so many.  I would make very clear to any publisher we
>> >> speak with that we discourage and do not endorse any organization who
>> >> wishes to sell that publishers content for CrossWire software, other
>> >> than the publisher themselves.  To repeat, I am not against modern
>> >> content being sold for CrossWire software.  We have spent much effort
>> >> into facilitating this for publishers and have a plan for them which
>> >> they have been happy to follow.  Summarily, in my experience over the
>> >> past 5 years, any publisher I have pursued has been willing to take
>> >> advantage of our current policy, as I have explained.  They are happy
>> >> to sell their own content.  They are surprised we don't want a cut.
>> >> They appreciate our ministry. Please do not try to solve a problem
>> >> which you have not yet run up against.  The issue is motivated
>> >> volunteers.  We have had people take this up in the past.  Here is our
>> >> last effort:
>> >>
>> >> http://crosswire.org/sword/copyright/
>> >>
>> >> It has been so long ago, I can't remember who was leading that
>> >> effort.  It has long been defunct, but the goals were all aligned with
>> >> our community.  Reach out to publishers, explain what we offer them,
>> >> keep track of contacts and history of communication, encourage other
>> >> volunteers to understand our policies and get involved to push a pet
>> >> text forward.
>> >>
>> >> Please feel free to do the hard work of following our policy to
>> >> negotiate, obtain data, convert, encipher, and give the key back to
>> >> the publisher to sell... the ultimate end would be for them to even
>> >> manage their own remote install source, which we are happy to add to
>> >> our autodiscovery registry.
>> >>
>> >> Please also be specific here as to which text you are pursuing. We may
>> >> already have a relationship.  For example, I am personally involved
>> >> with the Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft (the German Bible Society which
>> >> Tobias mentions) and those who make the online distribution decisions
>> >> for copyrighted material.  It would be strange for someone else to
>> >> email them cold and say, "Hey, I represent CrossWire."  If you want to
>> >> pursue a text which I've not yet spoken to them about, I am happy to
>> >> introduce you.
>> >>
>> >> Regarding other modern material in digital libraries from Logos, et
>> >> al., Tyndale House attempts to fill this void of producing freely
>> >> available modern scholarship.  As David Haslam has mentioned, much of
>> >> their material is in SWORD format.  I believe their intent is to
>> >> ultimate make their remote install repository fully SWORD compatible
>> >> and for us to add it to our autodiscovery registry so our other
>> >> frontends can use their great materials. Currently, only their
>> >> JSword-based STEP application accesses their materials now and it uses
>> >> some material which is not in our module storage format.  David
>> >> Instone-Brewer is the contact there and we should touch base with them
>> >> again to see where things stand.
>> >>
>> >> Some of these digital publishers, e.g., Logos, also secure exclusive
>> >> digital rights from content creators to distribute their work
>> >> digitally.  They justify this by saying that they partially fund the
>> >> research by paying for exclusive rights.  Anyway, that's a completely
>> >> different topic...
>> >>
>> >> Which reminds me...
>> >>
>> >> Is anyone going to BibleTech this year?  I haven't been for a really
>> >> long time.  The last time I believe is when I met Karl there!
>> >>
>> >> https://faithlife.com/bibletech
>> >>
>> >> In Him,
>> >>
>> >> Troy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 3/13/19 3:01 PM, refdoc at gmx.net wrote:
>> >>> I think it is simply inappropriate for an external organisation
>> >>> to.negotiate on behalf of or instead of CrossWire
>> >>>
>> >>> Further I am really upset about the confusing of the "problem" with
>> >>> popular but expensive and hence unavailable texts and the other stuff
>> >>> in DBL. We have excellent relationships with many Bible societies and
>> >>> now you setting up something which confuses this is simply wrong.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you must, concentrate on NIV etc, but please do not create an
>> >>> alternative path for publication of CrossWire modules for the bulk of
>> >>> this world's languages
>> >>>
>> >>> Wrt bulk conversion. Does not work and those who think it does have
>> >>> not worked long enough with texts to the standard we want to see in
>> >>> CrissWire
>> >>>
>> >>> Peter
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
>> >>> autocorrects.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -------- Original Message --------
>> >>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free
>> >>> Sword Modules
>> >>> From: Tobias Klein
>> >>> To: Dominique Corbex ,SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
>> >>> CC:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 13.03.19 13:14, Dominique Corbex wrote:
>> >>> > In France, people use modern (non-free) translation too, but
>> >>> *printed*
>> >>> > Bibles.
>> >>> > Some people I know have installed Bible apps on their phones
>> >>> but are not willing to pay for a non-free version.
>> >>> > And for good reason, popular modern translation have their own
>> >>> free apps on Play Store:
>> >>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.SBG.s21)
>> >>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.book.bible.bds
>> >>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bible.jang.frpdv
>> >>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.parole.de.vie
>> >>>
>> >>> Apps are often times available with non-free translations for
>> >>> free, but
>> >>> that's not the case for decent desktop bible study software.
>> >>> Even if the market is reduced to desktop bible study programs,
>> >>> that's
>> >>> still a rather large market where Sword-based software could
>> >>> increase
>> >>> its share.
>> >>> Desktop bible study software is often times used by people in
>> >>> ministries
>> >>> (teaching/preaching/bible study preparation). And these kind of
>> >>> users
>> >>> are usually also ready to pay.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Tobias
>> >>>
>> >>>
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