[sword-devel] Short/Long Bible & Commentary Modules

Wed Jan 2 12:45:39 MST 2019

osis2mod still defaults to KJV. From the SVN logs, that hasn’t changed. BTW, osis2mod doesn’t care about a conf.

If Peter built it, perhaps Peter’s scripted calls to osis2mod default to -v NRSV and didn’t catch that your conf was explicit. 

DM

> On Jan 2, 2019, at 9:07 AM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah - but when I submitted the updated module PolUGdanska for release, the .conf file specifically included
> 
> Versification=KJV
> 
> so there's still no accounting for your observation of the two extra verses.
> 
> Unless, of course, when Peter rebuilt the module using osis2mod, he actually used -v NRSV in the command line,
> or unless, perhaps, he's using a user-compiled version of the Sword utilities in which the default v11n has already been changed to NRSV,
> even though this was merely mooted tentatively in the wiki page as being a potential candidate for default v11n.
> 
> Notwithstanding, the command line should always match the v11n when it's specified in the .conf file.
> 
> Aside: Whenever I build a module, I'm constrained to using the most recently downloaded utilities for Windows (or earlier).
> I never compile any programs from source.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David
> 
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> 
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Wednesday, 2 January 2019 13:47, DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org> wrote:
> 
>> When osis2mod creates a module it uses its default v11n is used unless the user specifies a v11n. That v11n is used to lay out the index files and fill them with 0s. This is done before any of the input file is read. That index in the files listed have the number of verses in the NRSV not the KJV. If I understand correctly, the length of the index files don’t change once the module is created.
>> 
>> DM
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2019, at 4:30 AM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm rather puzzled by one section of DM's observations....
>>> 
>>> DM wrote:
>>> 
>>> The CrossWire Bible modules that have a visible NT problem having 2 extra verses: (All are KJV, but maybe should be NRSV av11n)
>>> HebDelitzsch
>>> PorAlmeida1911
>>> PolUGdanska
>>> Shona
>>> TurHADI
>>> 
>>> As the submitter for PolUGdanska, I can confirm that KJV is the correct v11n for this module.
>>> There were no APPEND warnings when the module was made with osis2mod.
>>> 
>>> IIRC the NRSV av11n splits Rev 12:17 and 3John14 each into two verses.
>>> I do not think that any of these 5 modules do that, though I've not checked the other 4.
>>> 
>>> These 2 extra NT verses that NRSV has relative to the KJV are therefore not the cause of DM's reported problems here.
>>> 
>>> A different explanation should be sought.
>>> 
>>> Aside: Even some modules built with v11n=NRSV omit Rev 12:18 (e.g. ESV2011).
>>> Aside: The NRSV also moves Romans 16:24 to a different location.
>>> 
>>> NB. I do not understand how there can be any "extra verses" in a module if there were no APPEND warnings from osis2mod.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> On Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:22, DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org <mailto:dmsmith at crosswire.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I’ve found an oddness in some Bible and commentary modules. (They share the same storage mechanism).
>>>> 
>>>> For each module there’s an index file for the OT and for the NT. Even many single testament modules have an index file for the other testament.
>>>> 
>>>> The index file has a slot for every verse in the testament. Intros for the Bible, Testaments, books and chapters are treated as verses and have slots in the index.
>>>> 
>>>> When the module is created, the indexes are initialized to all zeros, indicating that there is no data. When a verse is written to the module, the verse’s slot in the index is updated to point to the verse.
>>>> 
>>>> So for a versification, each index has a fixed size.
>>>> 
>>>> For years, I’ve noticed a debug statement from JSword indicating that some indexes have a different size than expected.
>>>> 
>>>> So for the last couple of days, I’ve been debugging the problem. Quite a few OT are a verse short. For the most part these modules are NT only, but a few are missing Malachi 4:6. Some NT have two more slots in the index.
>>>> 
>>>> The Bible modules that have a visible OT problem, not having the last verse of the OT:
>>>> DanDetteBiblen (Xiphos)
>>>> FarFLB (Xiphos)
>>>> JapMeiji (CrossWire)
>>>> Mg1865 (CrossWire) Looks like all of Malachi 4 is appended to 3:18
>>>> PolBibTysia (Xiphos)
>>>> 
>>>> The CrossWire Bible modules that have a visible NT problem having 2 extra verses: (All are KJV, but maybe should be NRSV av11n)
>>>> HebDelitzsch
>>>> PorAlmeida1911
>>>> PolUGdanska
>>>> Shona
>>>> TurHADI
>>>> 
>>>> The CrossWire commentary module DTN seems to be really bad. The NT index file is way too long. Looking at the module content,  I find lots of verses that are present but w empty content. I find verse 0 for many chapters is filled with wrong content.
>>>> 
>>>> The CrossWire Bibles that have the short OT index, but it isn’t really a problem because the module doesn’t have the OT or only has part of the OT:
>>>> ArmEastern
>>>> Chamorro
>>>> Cro
>>>> CzeB21
>>>> Est
>>>> GerAlbrecht
>>>> GerGruenewald
>>>> GerTafel
>>>> GerTextbibel
>>>> Leeser
>>>> ManxGaelic
>>>> SweKarlXII
>>>> Tyndale
>>>> VietLCCMN
>>>> Vulgate_HebPs
>>>> Wulfila
>>>> Wycliffe
>>>> 
>>>> The following CrossWire commentaries also have a non-problematic short OT index:
>>>> MAK
>>>> Spurious
>>>> VietLCCMNCT
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In Him,
>>>> DM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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