[sword-devel] LXX Strongs & Morphology
dmsmith at crosswire.org
Thu Feb 7 14:22:52 MST 2019
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> On Feb 7, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Dudeck, John <John.Dudeck at sim.org> wrote:
> Further info:
> I dumped the LXX and TR modules using mod2imp.
> 1) I see that the LXX morphology uses the module packard. So I downloaded packard from Crosswire.
> 2) I see that those words that do not have a Strongs number have the morphology duplicated in the Strongs field (!!!) So in Malachi 1:1 you can see for the first word it shows:
> <w lemma="strong:GN-NSN" morph="packard:N-NSN">λημμα</w>
> which is wrong!
> $$$Malachi 1:1
> <w lemma="strong:GN-NSN" morph="packard:N-NSN">λημμα</w> <w lemma="strong:G3056" morph="packard:N-GSM">λογου</w> <w lemma="strong:G2962" morph="packard:N-GSM">κυριου</w> <w lemma="strong:G1909" morph="packard:PREP">επι</w> <w lemma="strong:G3588" morph="packard:T-ASM">τον</w> <w lemma="strong:G2474" morph="packard:N-PRI">ισραηλ</w> <w lemma="strong:G1722" morph="packard:PREP">εν</w> <w lemma="strong:G5495" morph="packard:N-DSF">χειρι</w> <w lemma="strong:G32" morph="packard:N-GSM">αγγελου</w> <w lemma="strong:G846" morph="packard:D-GSM">αυτου</w> <w lemma="strong:G5087" morph="packard:V-AMM-2P">θεσθε</w> <w lemma="strong:G1211" morph="packard:PRT">δη</w> <w lemma="strong:G1909" morph="packard:PREP">επι</w> <w lemma="strong:G3588" morph="packard:T-APF">τας</w> <w lemma="strong:G2588" morph="packard:N-APF">καρδιας</w> <w lemma="strong:G5216" morph="packard:P-GP">υμων</w>
> A quick regular expression shows that there are 30512 words where the strongs number has morphology in the field out of 475348 total words.
> 3) The morphology field is not being displayed by AndBible. Only Strongs is being displayed. I see no differences in the tagging syntax used.
> The mods.d/lxx.conf and tr.conf files both contain:
> So I don't understand why one displays the Morphology codes and the other does not.
> Any ideas?
> > The behavior in AndBible for the LXX is rather odd. It doesn't matter where you look in the text,
> > the symptoms appear the same everywhere.
> > When you tap 'nnnn' to display Strongs numbers, it displays the Strongs numbers, BUT for those
> > words where there is no Strongs, it displays a Morphology code. As David mentions, in Mal 1:1, it
> > shows N-NSN for the first word, and Strongs numbers for the rest of the words in the verse.
> > If you open the display menu (three dots menu), Strongs and Morphology are both checked. If you
> > uncheck Morphology, nothing changes in the display. If you check Morphology and uncheck
> > Strongs, all of the Strongs disappear, and no Morphology codes are displayed. If you then touch
> > 'nnnn' again, it displays Strongs, but in the display menu Strongs is unchecked and Morphology is
> > checked but grayed out.
> > If you touch a Strongs number, it displays the entry as expected. If you touch a Morphology code
> > (eg. N-NSN as above), it looks up the word 'N-NSN' in Strongs Hebrew and displays the entry
> > 3476 Naasson. If you touch 'V-PAPRP', it displays entry 3578 xenia from Strong's Greek.
> > By comparison with the TR Textus Receptus, when you tap 'nnnn' to display Strongs numbers, it
> > displays the Strongs number followed by the Morphology (with no space between). You can touch
> > the number and it brings up the Strongs entry from Strongs Greek. You can touch the Morphology
> > and it brings up the Robinson's codes. If you open the display menu and uncheck Morphology, it
> > shows only the Strongs numbers. However you cannot display Morphology if Strongs is not
> > displayed.
> > I would assume that the behavior of the display menu in AndBible is an AndBible issue, and it's
> > not really a problem, just a minor logic bug. But the inability to display Morphology in LXX is an
> > issue.
> > I imagine this could either be addressed in AndBible, or in the LXX source. Is Tuomas reading
> > this, or do I need to write him separately?
> > Where do I find the LXX source? Maybe this is something that can be corrected fairly easily.
> > John
> > > LXX installed in PocketSword can display both or either.
> > >
> > > There are some tagging errors such as the one I spotted in the first word of Malachi 1:1
> > >
> > > I’ve not looked at more than one location before responding on whether the 2 features work.
> > >
> > > Could it be AndBible or did you perhaps sample a location with many more tagging issues?
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 01:19, Dudeck, John <John.Dudeck at sim.org> wrote:
> > > Greetings.
> > >
> > > I've just tried loading the LXX in AndBible. Supposedly it has both Strongs numbers and
> > > Morphology tagging. But in AndBible it only displays Morphology when there is no Strongs
> > > number on a given word. And in that case it tries to look up the Morphology in Strongs. In
> > > Xiphos you can see where there is no Strongs number in those cases.
> > >
> > > By the way I am using our own French version of Strongs. Is the morphology lookup
> > > supposed to be in Strongs for LXX? With the Textus Receptus it needs Robinson's module.
> > >
> > > In contrast the Textus Receptus displays both Strongs and Morphology.
> > >
> > > Does this mean there is a tagging problem in the LXX? Or is it an AndBible/Jsword
> > > problem?
> John Dudeck
> Programmer at Editions Cle Lyon, France
> john.dudeck at sim.org john at editionscle.com
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