[sword-devel] Q re search indexes

DM Smith dmsmith at crosswire.org
Mon Feb 4 19:05:08 MST 2019

Yes, indexes created can be copied to another device having AndBible.

You can contact the current developer of AndBible on how to automate the creation of the indexes using JSword. It will be faster.

AndBible has recently changed hands and the creation of AndBible’s Lucene indexes on the CrossWire server is out of date. We are updating modules at a crazy rate and as Troy said, we don’t support/encourage the downloading of indexes. So it is behind. And might be dropped altogether.

Part of the reason that indexes should be created locally is that they handle versioning so much better. If AndBible/JSword is updated with regard to index creation or the module is updated, then you’ll need to maintain an index for every combination. If AndBible or the module is updated it can invalidate the index forcing the creation of a new one.

In Him,

> On Feb 4, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Dudeck, John <John.Dudeck at sim.org> wrote:
> Ok a follow-up question:
> BTW for now I am really only interested as this relates to AndBible. We are creating a collection of about 50 modules for our first release for French-speaking African pastors. In the future we may make these modules available to customers in Europe, too.
> Last week I sat down and went into each Bible, Commentary,  and Dictionary and created a search index on my phone. Whenever you tap the search icon, if there is no index, it says you either need to download or create one. On a larger resource such as a full-bible commentary it can take a couple minutes to create. Doing the entire collection was a rather tedious exercise. Downloading, if it exists, is a lot quicker, but the rest of the modules are our own and we don't have downloadable indexes for them. In any case our target clientele can not be expected to have good internet connectivity, so our objective is to side-load everything.
> I see that AndBible creates a lucene folder when you create indexes, and also a file named org.crosswire.jsword.index.lucene.InstalledIndex.properties. I'm wondering if it is sufficient to copy the contents of the lucene folders. Ie. when side-loading the modules, the indexes could be copied over at the same time. The goal would be to avoid the manual creation process.
> Of course with AndBible, one only needs to launch the index creation at the first use. So the users can be taught that whenever they see the dialog box about indexes, they should just hit Create and wait for it to finish. I think you are saying also that AndBible will automatically create them on demand in the next release. From your responses already, it looks to me like we should not even try to provide indexes, and let the front ends create them.
> I'm still wondering where the indexes came from that I downloaded on AndBible. The two Bibles that had them are FreCrampon and FreJND, which are in the Crosswire Raw repository. The module fraLSG1910eb did not have it. Is it possible that AndBible has a store of indexes somewhere for the known modules from Crosswire?
> Thanks for your help.
> John
> > I think AndBible has committed a change to make creation of search indexes be the new
> > mechanism.
> >
> > DM
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ah, read more closely... You are asking about creating search indices for DOWNLOAD.
> > There is no good answer to this.  We don't officially support downloadable search indicies. 
> > Some frontends have chosen to support this on their own and they each have their own
> > methods of doing such.  My preference would be for them to discontinue this practice and
> > create the search indices on demand on the user device, as all other frontend do.  I
> > understand the reasoning behind having these available for download when creating the
> > search indices on older mobile devices 10 years ago wasn't the speediest operation, but
> > now it likely will take less time than downloading on many mobile networks.
> > So, in summary, what I described previously (below) will create the search index for a
> > module.  Where it's placed for some mobile apps to able to download varies and at least
> > one mobile app requires it to be in a subfolder on crosswire.org-- not in your own download
> > repo.
> > Troy
> > On 2/4/19 5:01 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> > Hi John,
> > SWORD support searching with or without a search index and has 3 methods for
> > maintaining any search index.  The implementation depends on which index system
> > option is turned on at configuration time when building (default is clucene; ximian is
> > also supported).  The calls are:
> >
> > virtual signed char SWModule::createSearchFramework(
> >                 void (*percent) (char, void *) = &nullPercent,
> >                 void *percentUserData = 0);
> > virtual void SWModule::deleteSearchFramework();
> > virtual bool SWModule::hasSearchFramework();
> >
> >
> > http://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/include/swmodule.h
> > There is a simple command line utility which does nothing more than call
> > SWModule::createSearchFramework on a module which you might find bundled with
> > whatever binaries you are using.  The tool is called: mkfastmod
> > http://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/utilities/mkfastmod.cpp
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/4/19 4:32 PM, Dudeck, John wrote:
> > Sorry for what might be a frequently asked question, but I can't find it on the
> > Crosswire wiki:
> >
> > I am working on creating our own in-house repository. How are we supposed to
> > create the search indexes for download?
> >
> > AndBible has a button for downloading the index, which works on some
> > modules but not on others.
> >
> > I've looked on the various ftp repositories, but don't see anything that looks like
> > search indexes.
> >
> > Can anybody give me a pointer on this?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > John Dudeck
> John Dudeck
> Programmer at Editions Cle                             Lyon, France
> john.dudeck at sim.org                            john at editionscle.com
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