[sword-devel] Copyright, modules, mailing list

[Michael H]

Andrew,

If I'm trying to get a novel published and I get a rejection letter, It
does not help my chances to try to publicly ridicule the guy who sent me
that letter. Trying to defame Peter in his efforts is not helping your
efforts, and probably has permanently removed your submissions from serious
consideration at Crosswire. Your actions do affect your opportunities.

Peter has repeatedly pointed out, he's protecting Crosswire's interests.
And he's protecting your interests. And your response is a bit abnormal,
which raises alarms. I've had stuff come back from Peter with concerns. I
thank Peter every time (well, I should have... I'm not the best at
following up with thank you notes.)  I live in the United States, where  a
group of government agents do actively seek out copyright infringers. Each
time they knock on somebody's door, it's a life changing experience.
Although it's unlikely, Peter's rejections may have kept me from dealing
with this. After being rejected, Peter has taken material from me that has
been published. However, I didn't send him multiple arguments and try to
make things very public. As you go forward, maybe you can learn from this.

I'll point out that Sword programs have multiple repositories.  Peter is
responsible for the Crosswire repositories.  If you feel that your material
is publishable even after considering Peter's concerns, can I suggest you
try publishing it by alternative means?  Have you asked ALL of the
repository owners?  If you're hearing the same answer from multiple
sources, maybe the problem is with your methods and your research into the
legal side is flawed.







On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:27 AM Andrew T. <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is very helpful Peter.  Thank you.
>
> However, I’d like to ask about enforcement.
> Does a module actually need to be submitted to the project to be judged?
> Or is it sufficient to judge modules the project has never seen by simply
> judging the reputation of the person working on them?
>
> What is the process for initiating this scrutiny?
> I ask only because you seem able to judge modules you’ve never seen, while
> casting doubt upon them.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 6:28 AM refdoc at gmx.net <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Just as a reminder.
>>
>> CrossWise does respect copyrights and takes in general a very cautious
>> view in these matters.
>>
>> If there is a hint of a doubt regarding the public domain status we do
>> not publish a text unless we have permissions. Whether explicit or via free
>> licensing (Creative Commons and the like). If we believe we require
>> explicit permissions then we welcome the assistance of community members to
>> obtain these, but in the end it will always be the module team or the
>> director who needs to receive the permissions from the copyright owner.
>>
>> In this way we have on occasion forgone texts we really would like to
>> publish and other projects felt free to publish, but we still believe that
>> this approach has born fruit.
>>
>> There are occasionally situations where people decided that the only
>> likely approach to convince a copyright owner to grant permissions is to
>> create a module as showcase. This is a potentially risky undertaking, but
>> clearly who does so believes that the risk is acceptable for them
>> personally. As long as such modules are not discussed (explicitely or
>> implicitly)'or offered on the list for testing purposes or otherwise and as
>> long as these people do not describe themselves as community members of
>> CrossWire to the publishers, there clearly is little risk that this
>> approach will affect the project negatively either legally or
>> reputationwise.
>>
>> Beyond the above, some jurisdictions will permit private use, reuse and
>> transformation of texts otherwise restricted. This is great for
>> individuals, but it does not enable us as an entity to assist with this.
>> Please do not discuss your attempts in this way here.
>>
>> Further, we do not promote or permit onwards distribution of modules
>> unless they are in the public domain or the copyright owners have
>> explicitly permitted such onward distribution.To set up a "mirror" other
>> that non publicly accessible strictly private is not acceptable.
>>
>> Finally there are of course valid debates to be had in general regarding
>> copyright for Biblical texts  and many of us will have private views quite
>> different from what we uphold as a project. That is fine, as long as we can
>> maintain the commitment to the cautious corporate  approach described above
>> as a community. Sword-devel is not the place to have lengthy debates on
>> these matters and persistently pushing the boundaries in this or any of the
>> above matters is not an acceptable thing to do.
>>
>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
>> autocorrects.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
>> autocorrects.
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