From refdoc at crosswire.org Sat Jun 2 03:41:17 2018 From: refdoc at crosswire.org (refdoc at crosswire.org) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 03:41:17 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: OSHM Message-ID: Dear All, This is to announce that we have just now uploaded OSHM. This is is an updated version of OSHM. Many thanks to update for the hard work. yours The Module Team P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module From amadio.pierre at gmail.com Sat Jun 2 05:29:25 2018 From: amadio.pierre at gmail.com (Pierre Amadio) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 14:29:25 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: OSHM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <256164cb-9145-00fa-49cc-615cb4a802fd@gmail.com> Hello. On 02/06/2018 12:41, refdoc at crosswire.org wrote: > Dear All, > This is to announce that we have just now uploaded OSHM. > This is is an updated version of OSHM. > Many thanks to update for the hard work. This is great, thanks a lot ! Is it me who missed it previously or is it a new addition ? I used to rely on some javascript code to parse the OSHB morph code, now I can let sword cope with it. From refdoc at crosswire.org Sat Jun 2 10:13:53 2018 From: refdoc at crosswire.org (Peter von Kaehne) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:13:53 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] date tag in header work section - failing validation ? reason Message-ID: According to the OSIS handbook is a valid tag within a work section within the header of an OSIS file. And yet validating an OSIS file with a date element will fail. Is there something wrong with our scheme? If I comment the date tag out the file validates...

Leonberger Bibel (NA28) Eine neue, urtextnahe ?bersetzung des Neuen Testaments ins Deutsche verlag causa mundi 2018-05-17 Bible GerLeo.NA28 Copyright ? 2018 verlag causa mundi NT [..] osis/gerleona28.osis.xml:9: element date: Schemas validity error : Element '{http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}date': This element is not expected. Expected is one of ( {http://www.bibletec hnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}publisher, {http://www.bibletechnolog ies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}type, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/200 3/OSIS/namespace}format, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/na mespace}identifier, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespa ce}source, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}langua ge, {http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}relation, {ht tp://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}coverage, {http://ww w.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}rights, {http://www.biblete chnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace}scope ). This is clearly not crucial in terms of module content, but as I am aiming at keeping things related to upload mostly automatic, if a test fails it is annoying as I need to intervene by hand and delete a to my mind perfectly acceptable tag.... Petre From refdoc at gmx.net Sat Jun 2 10:22:52 2018 From: refdoc at gmx.net (Peter von Kaehne) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:22:52 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] date tag in header work section - failing validation ? reason In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 2018-06-02 at 18:13 +0100, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > According to the OSIS handbook is a valid tag within a work > section within the header of an OSIS file. And yet validating an OSIS > file with a date element will fail. Is there something wrong with our > scheme? I just realised that the actual order of elements in the header is of relevance. Re-jigging the order will make the file validate. Thanks! Peter From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Sat Jun 2 10:26:51 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:26:51 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] date tag in header work section - failing validation ? reason In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was just about to make that observation! David Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 18:22, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On Sat, 2018-06-02 at 18:13 +0100, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > According to the OSIS handbook is a valid tag within a work > section within the header of an OSIS file. And yet validating an OSIS > file with a date element will fail. Is there something wrong with our > scheme? I just realised that the actual order of elements in the header is of relevance. Re-jigging the order will make the file validate. Thanks! Peter _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many thanks to Thomas for the hard work. yours The Module Team P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module From DavidTroidl at aol.com Sat Jun 2 10:32:12 2018 From: DavidTroidl at aol.com (David Troidl) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 13:32:12 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] date tag in header work section - failing validation ? reason In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7cee52d6-fee2-b2a8-3ae8-f9b6d54dea7e@aol.com> From the schema, the order is strict: ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? David On 6/2/2018 1:22 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > On Sat, 2018-06-02 at 18:13 +0100, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >> According to the OSIS handbook is a valid tag within a work >> section within the header of an OSIS file. And yet validating an OSIS >> file with a date element will fail. Is there something wrong with our >> scheme? > I just realised that the actual order of elements in the header is of > relevance. Re-jigging the order will make the file validate. > > Thanks! > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From refdoc at crosswire.org Sat Jun 2 11:59:48 2018 From: refdoc at crosswire.org (refdoc at crosswire.org) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 11:59:48 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: GerLeoRP05 Message-ID: Dear All, This is to announce that we have just now uploaded GerLeoRP05. This is is an updated version of GerLeoRP05. Many thanks to Thomas for the hard work. yours The Module Team P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module From refdoc at crosswire.org Sat Jun 2 13:06:11 2018 From: refdoc at crosswire.org (refdoc at crosswire.org) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:06:11 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: UrduGeo Message-ID: Dear All, This is to announce that we have just now uploaded UrduGeo. This is is an updated version of UrduGeo. Many thanks to update for the hard work. yours The Module Team P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module From DavidTroidl at aol.com Sun Jun 3 13:46:43 2018 From: DavidTroidl at aol.com (David Troidl) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 16:46:43 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Mailing Lists Message-ID: <72988304-49f7-edc4-b978-9e3f197cec78@aol.com> Hi, I was having an issue with Xiphos, so I clicked the link in the Help menu for Mailing List.? I put in the effort to fill out the form, and when I submitted it, I was told this method no longer worked, because of bots. Then I went to http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo, to see what could be done from there.? Under xiphos-user, I was taken to the same sign-up page.? Then I went to sword-devel, assuming I could sign in there and edit my list subscriptions.? When I clicked in the Address box, I got a message saying the page was insecure, and entering my login could compromise my information. Also, on the Mailing Lists page, it gave this address: mailmen at crosswire.org, if I was having trouble.? I sent an email there, and received two automated responses, from mailmen-bounces at crosswire.org, and mailmen-owner at crosswire.org. Both of them said: Go towww.crosswire.org to find the appropriate person to contact or contact the sword-devel mailing list if you really do have a problem to contact us about. This list is inactive. Obviously, something is wrong with this picture.? What is the proper procedure, and how would an unsuspecting user find it out? Peace, David --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scribe at crosswire.org Sun Jun 3 14:05:10 2018 From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 23:05:10 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Mailing Lists In-Reply-To: <72988304-49f7-edc4-b978-9e3f197cec78@aol.com> References: <72988304-49f7-edc4-b978-9e3f197cec78@aol.com> Message-ID: <1f09f189-055d-822b-7930-861d8aa9a2c1@crosswire.org> Hi David, What form did you fill out? To subscribe?? We have disabled mailman subscriptions by the user because bots use that make our server send confirmation emails to 1000s of uninterested users.? Not sure why anyone would want to do this beyond make us look annoying.? But it happens.? The page tells you to send an email to sword-support at crosswire.org to subscribe and should even give you a prefilled email body. If you filled out the form to sign in to edit your subscription, that should work fine if you know your login id.? The mailman list sends your password to you each month in a plaintext email so I don't think mailman is worried about it being transmitted over http vs. https.? It's just a subscribe choice and options. Hope this clears things up a bit, even if you didn't get the answers you expected, Troy On 06/03/2018 10:46 PM, David Troidl wrote: > > Hi, > > I was having an issue with Xiphos, so I clicked the link in the Help > menu for Mailing List.? I put in the effort to fill out the form, and > when I submitted it, I was told this method no longer worked, because > of bots. > > Then I went to http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo, to see what > could be done from there.? Under xiphos-user, I was taken to the same > sign-up page.? Then I went to sword-devel, assuming I could sign in > there and edit my list subscriptions.? When I clicked in the Address > box, I got a message saying the page was insecure, and entering my > login could compromise my information. > > Also, on the Mailing Lists page, it gave this address: > mailmen at crosswire.org, if I was having trouble.? I sent an email > there, and received two automated responses, from > mailmen-bounces at crosswire.org, and mailmen-owner at crosswire.org.? Both > of them said: > > Go to www.crosswire.org to find the appropriate person to contact or > contact the sword-devel mailing list if you really do have a problem > to contact us about. This list is inactive. > > Obviously, something is wrong with this picture.? What is the proper > procedure, and how would an unsuspecting user find it out? > > Peace, > > David > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From refdoc at crosswire.org Sun Jun 3 23:38:08 2018 From: refdoc at crosswire.org (refdoc at crosswire.org) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 23:38:08 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: FreLXX Message-ID: Dear All, This is to announce that we have just now uploaded FreLXX. This is is an updated version of FreLXX. Many thanks to update for the hard work. yours The Module Team P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module From refdoc at crosswire.org Sun Jun 3 23:54:32 2018 From: refdoc at crosswire.org (Peter von Kaehne) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 07:54:32 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Testing of TEI modules against the schema Message-ID: When I try to test a new TEI module I am getting errors from our TEI schema - not the module but the actual schema. peter at peterdell:~/CrossWire/clean/frebailly$ xmllint --noout --schema h ttp://www.crosswire.org/OSIS/teiP5osis.2.5.0.xsd frebailly.tei.xml http://www.crosswire.org/OSIS/examples.xsd:10: element complexType: Schemas parser error : local complex type: The content model is not determinist. http://www.crosswire.org/OSIS/teiP5osis.2.5.0.xsd:16645: element complexType: Schemas parser error : local complex type: The content model is not determinist. http://www.crosswire.org/OSIS/teiP5osis.2.5.0.xsd:16834: element complexType: Schemas parser error : local complex type: The content model is not determinist. WXS schema http://www.crosswire.org/OSIS/teiP5osis.2.5.0.xsd failed to compile Can someone make sense of this for me? Many thanks! Peter From scribe at crosswire.org Mon Jun 4 00:47:20 2018 From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 09:47:20 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Bishop 1.1.3 Message-ID: Spent a little time tracking down a few bugs in the new prototype views. Now that it doesn't crash every 5th verse or so, I've been using the Language Assist view a bit during my morning readings. It doesn't suck as much as I initially thought. The Strongs dictionary still isn't ideal. I find myself wading through the noise to find the glosses somewhere between the etimology and the SEE ALSOs. Would like something much more concise and maybe a click to open more in depth if I want to learn more about the word. Typically I'm just using it in this use case, just to fill in the gaping holes in my vocabulary. I'm not actually doing a word study. Any ideas on a better lexicon for this purpose? I think David Instone-Brewer worked on a gloss list for Hebrew. I can't remember if one was done for Greek or where the words for either were derived from-- if they were an original work of if they were pulled from another source... I have done work on our flashcards generator from a biblical text range. This goes through all words in a verse range you give and collates all the lemmas in that range and also the phrases translated by that lemma in that range and builds flash cards. I might try to use that to build a gloss list for the Language Assist window. Also the Language Assist view configuration is kludgy. You need to have your Word Study Bible unset or else set to your primary display Bible for the word alignments to coordinate. That defeats the purposes for having a dedicated setting for Word Study Bible. It needs to be smarter and always use the left display Bible for the Language Assist window, or else not try to highlight the active word in the verse if they are different. Any other ideas would be helpful. We had a few people show some interest in helping out. Any luck with setting up a dev environment and building an apk from the source? Also the iOS bundle is very behind. I need to catch it up to the Android release. Some of the native bindings have changed, so it's not a simple recompile and I'll need to get my head back into Swift. Hope everyone is at the start of a great week! -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From refdoc at gmx.net Mon Jun 4 02:33:34 2018 From: refdoc at gmx.net (Peter von Kaehne) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:33:34 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Bishop 1.1.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15b7337e7c7577433996468db0db0531fa574c86.camel@gmx.net> Hi Troy, thanks for this. I should have said this earlier already - Language Assist leads to reliabe crashes, immediately, whenever I try to use it. This has not changed with the update I have a Huawei P9 Lite on Android 7.0 with some Huawei variations Peter On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 09:47 +0200, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Spent a little time tracking down a few bugs in the new prototype > views. Now that it doesn't crash every 5th verse or so, I've been > using the Language Assist view a bit during my morning readings. It > doesn't suck as much as I initially thought. The Strongs dictionary > still isn't ideal. I find myself wading through the noise to find the > glosses somewhere between the etimology and the SEE ALSOs. Would like > something much more concise and maybe a click to open more in depth > if I want to learn more about the word. Typically I'm just using it > in this use case, just to fill in the gaping holes in my vocabulary. > I'm not actually doing a word study. > > Any ideas on a better lexicon for this purpose? I think David > Instone-Brewer worked on a gloss list for Hebrew. I can't remember if > one was done for Greek or where the words for either were derived > from-- if they were an original work of if they were pulled from > another source... > > I have done work on our flashcards generator from a biblical text > range. This goes through all words in a verse range you give and > collates all the lemmas in that range and also the phrases translated > by that lemma in that range and builds flash cards. I might try to > use that to build a gloss list for the Language Assist window. > > Also the Language Assist view configuration is kludgy. You need to > have your Word Study Bible unset or else set to your primary display > Bible for the word alignments to coordinate. That defeats the > purposes for having a dedicated setting for Word Study Bible. It > needs to be smarter and always use the left display Bible for the > Language Assist window, or else not try to highlight the active word > in the verse if they are different. > > Any other ideas would be helpful. > > We had a few people show some interest in helping out. Any luck with > setting up a dev environment and building an apk from the source? > > Also the iOS bundle is very behind. I need to catch it up to the > Android release. Some of the native bindings have changed, so it's > not a simple recompile and I'll need to get my head back into Swift. > > Hope everyone is at the start of a great week! > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From scribe at crosswire.org Mon Jun 4 03:16:47 2018 From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:16:47 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Bishop 1.1.3 In-Reply-To: <15b7337e7c7577433996468db0db0531fa574c86.camel@gmx.net> References: <15b7337e7c7577433996468db0db0531fa574c86.camel@gmx.net> Message-ID: Hi Peter. I found a prolific bug which fixed problems on my OnePlus 5T. Are you sure you have the latest version? Can you send me what your 3 selected primary modules are, in order? Do you specify a preferred Word Study Bible? Also, which lexicon have you installed if other than the default Strongs Greek and Hebrew? Finally, give a specific verse you see the crash. I'll have a look. Using the default module install package, selecting WHNU as the first of the three primary modules, and no preferred Word Study Bible, I get no more crashes. Thanks for reporting Peter. Hope we can get things more stable. Troy On June 4, 2018 11:33:34 AM GMT+02:00, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >Hi Troy, thanks for this. > >I should have said this earlier already - Language Assist leads to >reliabe crashes, immediately, whenever I try to use it. This has not >changed with the update > >I have a Huawei P9 Lite on Android 7.0 with some Huawei variations > >Peter > >On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 09:47 +0200, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: >> Spent a little time tracking down a few bugs in the new prototype >> views. Now that it doesn't crash every 5th verse or so, I've been >> using the Language Assist view a bit during my morning readings. It >> doesn't suck as much as I initially thought. The Strongs dictionary >> still isn't ideal. I find myself wading through the noise to find the >> glosses somewhere between the etimology and the SEE ALSOs. Would like >> something much more concise and maybe a click to open more in depth >> if I want to learn more about the word. Typically I'm just using it >> in this use case, just to fill in the gaping holes in my vocabulary. >> I'm not actually doing a word study. >> >> Any ideas on a better lexicon for this purpose? I think David >> Instone-Brewer worked on a gloss list for Hebrew. I can't remember if >> one was done for Greek or where the words for either were derived >> from-- if they were an original work of if they were pulled from >> another source... >> >> I have done work on our flashcards generator from a biblical text >> range. This goes through all words in a verse range you give and >> collates all the lemmas in that range and also the phrases translated >> by that lemma in that range and builds flash cards. I might try to >> use that to build a gloss list for the Language Assist window. >> >> Also the Language Assist view configuration is kludgy. You need to >> have your Word Study Bible unset or else set to your primary display >> Bible for the word alignments to coordinate. That defeats the >> purposes for having a dedicated setting for Word Study Bible. It >> needs to be smarter and always use the left display Bible for the >> Language Assist window, or else not try to highlight the active word >> in the verse if they are different. >> >> Any other ideas would be helpful. >> >> We had a few people show some interest in helping out. Any luck with >> setting up a dev environment and building an apk from the source? >> >> Also the iOS bundle is very behind. I need to catch it up to the >> Android release. Some of the native bindings have changed, so it's >> not a simple recompile and I'll need to get my head back into Swift. >> >> Hope everyone is at the start of a great week! >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > >_______________________________________________ >sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcepl at cepl.eu Mon Jun 4 07:43:01 2018 From: mcepl at cepl.eu (=?UTF-8?Q?Mat=C4=9Bj?= Cepl) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 16:43:01 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Module submission, Wiki page References: <4166cc1ee70aa88ac71e145b2c869c4937e9d6b3.camel@gmx.net> Message-ID: On 2018-05-30, 10:19 GMT, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > Given that module submission is and - has always been > - a definitive bottleneck in our setup I have spent > significant time to make it automated, reproducible and > hopefully faster too. I don?t think that modules submission is the only bottleneck. Having no way how to provide submissions to the main sword repo even for something so trivial as language files support makes me really hesitant on doing more complicated work like developing new av11n schema (required for update of CzeB21, which has apocryphal books in the Protestant style). I tried everything: GitHub pull request https://github.com/refdoc/sword/pull/1, email to this list https://www.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2018-March/045643.html (I believe I've sent CC to your personally, but not sure about that), considering sending CD with those patches via snail-mail moment I found your postal address, or perhaps buying a postal owl Harry Potter-style. Blessings, Mat?j -- https://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, Jabber: mcepl at ceplovi.cz GPG Finger: 3C76 A027 CA45 AD70 98B5 BC1D 7920 5802 880B C9D8 Monday, December 9th. We skip the bus tour of Stockholm to attend the economics lecture. Our guest status is again good for front row seats. We hear about the theory of auctions. There are integrals and derivatives. It's like physics except physics works. From greg.hellings at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 08:51:10 2018 From: greg.hellings at gmail.com (Greg Hellings) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:51:10 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Module submission, Wiki page In-Reply-To: References: <4166cc1ee70aa88ac71e145b2c869c4937e9d6b3.camel@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 9:44 AM Mat?j Cepl wrote: > On 2018-05-30, 10:19 GMT, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > > Given that module submission is and - has always been > > - a definitive bottleneck in our setup I have spent > > significant time to make it automated, reproducible and > > hopefully faster too. > > I don?t think that modules submission is the only bottleneck. > Having no way how to provide submissions to the main sword repo > even for something so trivial as language files support makes me > really hesitant on doing more complicated work like developing > new av11n schema (required for update of CzeB21, which has > apocryphal books in the Protestant style). I tried everything: > GitHub pull request https://github.com/refdoc/sword/pull/1, > email to this list > https://www.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2018-March/045643.html > (I believe I've sent CC to your personally, but not sure about > that), considering sending CD with those patches via snail-mail > moment I found your postal address, or perhaps buying a postal > owl Harry Potter-style. > You'll want to send it to Troy's mail slot/chimney instead of Peter's. He's the one who controls the reins of engine commits. --Greg > > Blessings, > > Mat?j > -- > https://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, Jabber: mcepl at ceplovi.cz > GPG Finger: 3C76 A027 CA45 AD70 98B5 BC1D 7920 5802 880B C9D8 > > Monday, December 9th. We skip the bus tour of Stockholm to attend > the economics lecture. Our guest status is again good for front > row seats. We hear about the theory of auctions. There are > integrals and derivatives. It's like physics except physics > works. > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From refdoc at gmx.net Mon Jun 4 09:09:42 2018 From: refdoc at gmx.net (Peter von Kaehne) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 17:09:42 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Module submission, Wiki page In-Reply-To: References: <4166cc1ee70aa88ac71e145b2c869c4937e9d6b3.camel@gmx.net> Message-ID: <7d27583dec8f38beaf87aeb0c5feece10ca8c283.camel@gmx.net> Hi Matej My sword git repo is simply an ancient private copy. I am not sure it has ever been updated. Also, it seems you misunderstand my overall role - I am not the sword-engine guy. I have some limited subversion access, including admittedly to the language stuff and the filters, but I would never ever contemplate patches to the wider engine, certainly not av11n stuff. As such the most successful approach is to open a bug report and attach a patch to it and hassle Troy in parallel. A git pull request would be nice but we do not have an official git repo for the engine. Peter From scribe at crosswire.org Mon Jun 4 09:25:21 2018 From: scribe at crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 18:25:21 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Module submission, Wiki page In-Reply-To: References: <4166cc1ee70aa88ac71e145b2c869c4937e9d6b3.camel@gmx.net> Message-ID: <68889faf-d128-765b-bd83-368d0b36ec52@crosswire.org> Mat?j, This is my fault.? I missed it.? A wider audience has write access to the locale's so they usually get approved and committed by others, but ultimately I need to make sure the submissions all get in.? I'll take care of it. Troy On 06/04/2018 04:43 PM, Mat?j Cepl wrote: > On 2018-05-30, 10:19 GMT, Peter von Kaehne wrote: >> Given that module submission is and - has always been >> - a definitive bottleneck in our setup I have spent >> significant time to make it automated, reproducible and >> hopefully faster too. > I don?t think that modules submission is the only bottleneck. > Having no way how to provide submissions to the main sword repo > even for something so trivial as language files support makes me > really hesitant on doing more complicated work like developing > new av11n schema (required for update of CzeB21, which has > apocryphal books in the Protestant style). I tried everything: > GitHub pull request https://github.com/refdoc/sword/pull/1, > email to this list > https://www.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2018-March/045643.html > (I believe I've sent CC to your personally, but not sure about > that), considering sending CD with those patches via snail-mail > moment I found your postal address, or perhaps buying a postal > owl Harry Potter-style. > > Blessings, > > Mat?j From dominique at corbex.org Mon Jun 4 11:15:54 2018 From: dominique at corbex.org (Dominique Corbex) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:15:54 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] osis ref syntax for GkEsth & AddDan In-Reply-To: <5B104EB0.28624.703BEDB7@john.dudeck.sim.org> References: <5B104EB0.28624.703BEDB7@john.dudeck.sim.org> Message-ID: <20180604201554.3d7d9f76e8bd03d8f411750f@corbex.org> On Thu, 31 May 2018 15:36:16 -0400 "John Dudeck" wrote: > 3) Where do I find the latest Windows utilities that support all the versifications? The latest I can find is 1.7.0-1 on the crosswire web site. I saw the reference to Greg Helling's site which is currently down. Dear John, Greg's site is still down, but if you download Xiphos 4.1.0 from https://github.com/crosswire/xiphos/releases, you should find a complete set of Sword 1.8.1 tools in the Crosswire directory. The Xiphos Developpers provide win32 and win64 binaries as well. Dom -- domcox From greg.hellings at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 11:39:21 2018 From: greg.hellings at gmail.com (Greg Hellings) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 13:39:21 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] osis ref syntax for GkEsth & AddDan In-Reply-To: <20180604201554.3d7d9f76e8bd03d8f411750f@corbex.org> References: <5B104EB0.28624.703BEDB7@john.dudeck.sim.org> <20180604201554.3d7d9f76e8bd03d8f411750f@corbex.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 1:17 PM Dominique Corbex wrote: > On Thu, 31 May 2018 15:36:16 -0400 > "John Dudeck" wrote: > > > 3) Where do I find the latest Windows utilities that support all the > versifications? The latest I can find is 1.7.0-1 on the crosswire web site. > I saw the reference to Greg Helling's site which is currently down. > > Dear John, > > Greg's site is still down, but if you download Xiphos 4.1.0 from > https://github.com/crosswire/xiphos/releases, you should find a > complete set of Sword 1.8.1 tools in the Crosswire directory. > > The Xiphos Developpers provide win32 and win64 binaries as well. > FYI on the pedigree: the ones packaged with Xiphos and the ones I package directly are identical. They come from the same mingw{32,64}-sword package available to anyone who is able to download the Fedora RPM and fetch the files from there as well. Also, my personal "config" directory on Github should allow anyone with Vagrant and Ansible installed on their local system the ability to recreate my packages directly. It's just a single command ("vagrant up") in the appropriate directory and the packages will be installed in a VM on your system, the zip files will be generated, and the results will be posted back to the directory you're running the commands in. --Greg > > Dom > -- > domcox > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcepl at cepl.eu Mon Jun 4 10:24:12 2018 From: mcepl at cepl.eu (=?UTF-8?Q?Mat=C4=9Bj?= Cepl) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:24:12 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Module submission, Wiki page References: <4166cc1ee70aa88ac71e145b2c869c4937e9d6b3.camel@gmx.net> <68889faf-d128-765b-bd83-368d0b36ec52@crosswire.org> Message-ID: On 2018-06-04, 16:25 GMT, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > This is my fault.? I missed it.? A wider audience has write > access to the locale's so they usually get approved and > committed by others, but ultimately I need to make sure the > submissions all get in.?I'll take care of it. So, what's the best way how to reach you: pull/merge request somewhere (where)? email with patches here (I would like that)? Email to you? Those owls? Blessings, Mat?j -- https://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, Jabber: mcepl at ceplovi.cz GPG Finger: 3C76 A027 CA45 AD70 98B5 BC1D 7920 5802 880B C9D8 It seemed that every spring the daffodils came out, every summer the cherries ripened and every autumn William Wilberforce would present his bill to the House. -- said to be written either by his (later?) wife Barbara Spooner, or perhaps by Samuel Johnson, but I could not find evidence for either. From mcepl at cepl.eu Mon Jun 4 11:11:53 2018 From: mcepl at cepl.eu (=?UTF-8?Q?Mat=C4=9Bj?= Cepl) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 20:11:53 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Module submission, Wiki page References: <4166cc1ee70aa88ac71e145b2c869c4937e9d6b3.camel@gmx.net> <7d27583dec8f38beaf87aeb0c5feece10ca8c283.camel@gmx.net> Message-ID: On 2018-06-04, 16:09 GMT, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > My sword git repo is simply an ancient private copy. I am not > sure it has ever been updated. You know you can switch off pull requests and issues in Settings tab of your repository? It would probably made you more happy, because people wouldn't be confused by your expectations on the repo. Just thinking aloud. > Also, it seems you misunderstand my overall role - I am not > the sword-engine guy. Whoops, I am sorry. > A git pull request would be nice but we do not have an > official git repo for the engine. I shouldn't ask "Why?", right? Blessings, Mat?j -- https://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, Jabber: mcepl at ceplovi.cz GPG Finger: 3C76 A027 CA45 AD70 98B5 BC1D 7920 5802 880B C9D8 Give a man a regular expression and he?ll match a string? teach him to make his own regular expressions and you?ve got a man with problems. -- yakugo in http://regex.info/blog/2006-09-15/247#comment-3022 From refdoc at gmx.net Mon Jun 4 14:12:12 2018 From: refdoc at gmx.net (Peter von Kaehne) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 22:12:12 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Module submission, Wiki page In-Reply-To: References: <4166cc1ee70aa88ac71e145b2c869c4937e9d6b3.camel@gmx.net> <7d27583dec8f38beaf87aeb0c5feece10ca8c283.camel@gmx.net> Message-ID: <380eb8d824ce8e1711f517c65ebbe814abf57566.camel@gmx.net> On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 20:11 +0200, Mat?j Cepl wrote: > > > A git pull request would be nice but we do not have an > > official git repo for the engine. > > I shouldn't ask "Why?", right? Well, not me, at least. I use git for all I can. Peter From mjdenham at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 02:50:24 2018 From: mjdenham at gmail.com (Martin Denham) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 10:50:24 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Berean Bible In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: I have been told by the same And Bible user that the Berean Bible OT is now available and it does seem to be here and here although I am not sure if everything you require is there yet. Martin On 27 May 2018 at 21:39, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > On 05/26/2018 06:49 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > > looking forward to seeing if I can produce a module that makes the > interlinear really work well > > I'm experimenting with this content. I'm rather liking what's being > produced. > http://karl.kleinpaste.org/.../BIBnt-1.gif > http://karl.kleinpaste.org/.../BIBnt-2.gif > It's incomplete so far, lacking paragraph breaks and headings, for > example. I have to figure out how to get those details out of the .xlsx > tables provided so as to inject them into the resulting content as a > post-construction automated edit. But this somewhat raw construction took > less than an hour. > > It's kind of a joy to work with completely regularized content. Copy/paste > selected columns from original .xlsx content, export as CSV, then script > the auto-edited component access. Very straightforward, I generate this > kind of thing in my sleep. I wish all providers could be so conscientious. > > Downside is that they have their own Greek lexicon as well as their own > morphological parse content. The parse data appears original on their part; > the Strong's-ish refs have intersection and overlap but clearly also have > inconsistencies with regular Strong's. So I am also making lexdict modules > to go along with it -- those were *easy* oh my goodness -- but in the > latter case, it's going to induce me to make some updates to Xiphos so that > Strong's and morph choices are associated per-Bible rather than being a > general app-wide preference. At least this will also induce the removal of > some crude special case code for NASB lex that will never have reason to > see the light of day. > > Producing a module for their ordinary study Bible will be easier due to > not having need to construct keyed content. What I really wanted for now > was the real interlinear. > > I'm not intending to make this work publicly available, because (as > expressed before) it's NT only and it will just have to be obsoleted as > soon as they finish OT, hence the name BIBnt. But if anyone wants a look > privately, let me know. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karl at kleinpaste.org Tue Jun 5 03:37:26 2018 From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 06:37:26 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Berean Bible In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <6a189455-0529-7635-b5d5-d5d4632f7c56@kleinpaste.org> On 06/05/2018 05:50 AM, Martin Denham wrote: > Berean Bible OT is now available and it does seem to be here > and here > although I am not sure if > everything you require is there yet. Yes, they announced partial OT support this past weekend. I have produced full OT+NT regular and interlinear modules but the necessary tables to provide paragraph breaks, headings, and footnote placement weren't provided for OT yet -- later this year, they say. So what I have so far is Feature=NoParagraphs (VPL) of very basic regular and interlinear texts, BSBdraft and BIBdraft. I've got more ideas about better markup, notably that Strong's numbers can interfere with lemma display (a Xiphos-specific concern), so I'm still in-progress on these. An unexpected hassle: OT interlinear display suffers from the fact that Hebrew is more compact than English, with the result that the English content is space-constrained by the Hebrew, leading to illegible English overlap. Still working out whether there's anything I can do about that. At the moment, the content is marked up as original language as main plus English as lemmatized interlinear, but I might simply turn that around, which would make the problem go away. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Tue Jun 5 13:59:38 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:59:38 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: GerLeoRP05 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This module is now version 1.1 so shows under updates in Xiphos. ?Best regards, David Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.? ??????? Original Message ??????? On 2 June 2018 7:59 PM, wrote: > Dear All, > > This is to announce that we have just now uploaded GerLeoRP05. > > This is is an updated version of GerLeoRP05. > > Many thanks to Thomas for the hard work. > > yours > > The Module Team > > P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Tue Jun 5 14:01:31 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 17:01:31 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: GerLeoNA28 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This module GerLeoNA28 is still version 1.0 so it does not appear to be an update. Please check to see if the script made a mistake. ?Best regards, David Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.? ??????? Original Message ??????? On 2 June 2018 6:31 PM, wrote: > Dear All, > > This is to announce that we have just now uploaded GerLeoNA28. > > This is is an updated version of GerLeoNA28. > > Many thanks to Thomas for the hard work. > > yours > > The Module Team > > P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From john.dudeck at sim.org Tue Jun 5 16:30:39 2018 From: john.dudeck at sim.org (John Dudeck) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 19:30:39 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] osis ref syntax for GkEsth & AddDan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5B171D1F.3755.1419173F@john.dudeck.sim.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GlobalOptionFilter=UTF8GreekAccents It's a logical fallacy to argue that just because this SWORD filter changes the output then the module must contain Greek letters. This is because some Greek accents are not unique to the Koine Greek language. They are used in several other scripts and many languages. German is merely one such language that uses the Latin scipt and in which some diacritics or punctuation marks are also found in Koine Greek. Moreover, the right single quotation mark is filtered by UTF8GreekAccents, so when Greek accents are disabled, some text is displayed incorrectly. For an example, see Mark 3:14 footnote 10. With accents enabled, it reads: T+ ?die er auch ?Apostel? nannte? With accents disabled, it reads: T+ ?die er auch Apostel? nannte? IMHO, the confmaker script ought to make the insertion of this particular filter conditional on the main language of the module being Koine Greek. ?Best regards, David Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.? ??????? Original Message ??????? On 2 June 2018 7:59 PM, wrote: > Dear All, > > This is to announce that we have just now uploaded GerLeoRP05. > > This is is an updated version of GerLeoRP05. > > Many thanks to Thomas for the hard work. > > yours > > The Module Team > > P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: GerLeoRP05.raw.imp.character.frequency.txt URL: From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Wed Jun 6 13:51:24 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 16:51:24 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: GerLeoRP05 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This line also is superfluous. GlobalOptionFilter=OSISLemma All 137600 lemma attributes begin "strong:..." There are no other types of lemma in the module. Enabling this module option in Xiphos is roughly equivalent to using doublespace. This has no added value for the module. Again this must be due to poor logic in the confmaker script. ?Best regards, David Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.? ??????? Original Message ??????? On 2 June 2018 7:59 PM, wrote: > Dear All, > > This is to announce that we have just now uploaded GerLeoRP05. > > This is is an updated version of GerLeoRP05. > > Many thanks to Thomas for the hard work. > > yours > > The Module Team > > P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From refdoc at gmx.net Wed Jun 6 14:12:31 2018 From: refdoc at gmx.net (refdoc at gmx.net) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 22:12:31 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: GerLeoRP05 References:

Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karl at kleinpaste.org Wed Jun 6 19:30:15 2018 From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 22:30:15 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] some new (draft) modules: Berean Bible Message-ID: There was recent mention on sword-devel of a new English translation, the Berean Bible. Its creators lean really heavily on easy licensing and maximized distribution, hence its name in reference to Acts 17. The NT support is complete, but as yet OT has been only partially published. For my purposes in module generation, the tables distributed for NT do not yet have full equivalents for OT. Nonetheless, I was interested in generating modules particularly because the content allowed me to produce for the first time a genuine interlinear Bible module. While any Sword app can use them, Xiphos' blocked display provides for especially good presentation -- better than their own PDFs, considering that they doesn't use a vertically blocked layout. (Their PDF actually looks like regular Sword engine output, with parenthetical alternate content.) So there are now 4 modules, 2 Bibles and 2 dictionaries. I need to emphasize that these are draft modules, proofs of concept. I have worked on ways to generate these for a few days, scripting content auto-editing out of CSV-formatted content from the distributed *.xlsx tables. In Xiphos repository: BIBdraft - Berean Interlinear Bible - Hebrew + Greek with English interlinear encoded as lemmatized content BSBdraft - Berean Study Bible - basic English Bible BereanMorph BereanStrongsGreek There isn't yet a Hebrew dictionary. The generating scripts are part of the module content for each. Generating BIBdraft takes about a minute and a half on my laptop, once the relevant columns from the *.xlsx have been saved to the needed separate file. The scripts describe their needed input. When the OT support is finalized, I will work these up again without the "draft" name and obsolete these. Because OT support isn't complete, these are somewhat minimal other than the interlinear support. No footnotes, paragraph breaks, headings, or red letters. Content necessary to describe these features is present in the NT tables, but in trying to generate consistent form, I didn't try to use it all because it doesn't yet exist for OT as well. They are Feature=NoParagraphs (verse per line). The use of their own morphology means that I generated a module for it. This will lead to some changes in Xiphos soon so that Strongs and morphology dictionary choices can be associated per-Bible rather than (as now, in Prefs) for the application as a whole. Strong's numbers are present in both regular markup form as well as simpler per-word footnotes. Enable either or both; the n=X attribute uses the Strong's number itself, which may be useful, or in Xiphos you may wish to disable that aspect from the context menu, if you prefer that simple mouse-over of plain "*n" reveal the number in the previewer. The reason for providing both ways is that enabling regular Strong's in Xiphos means that the English lemma content no longer lines up with the original word, because the order of content out of the engine presents the Strong's number first. So you can disable regular Strong's display, keep the footnoted Strong's, and have lined-up interlinear content. There were some considerable oddities in how the markup worked, especially for OT, forcing me through a bunch of attempts to get something that worked at all. The released content provides Strong's numbers plus BDB commentary, as well as minimal parse content. The oddities come out of Hebrew being an RtoL language. In Xiphos, whose display is driven by WebKit, a regular all-Hebrew module like WLC displays in strict RtoL form: Verse number beginning on the right, and text flowing from there to the left. This is achieved simply by issuing "dir=rtl" in the preamble to output. But BIBdraft is listed as Lang=en (it contains English from one end to the other, plus Greek, both being LtoR, and only the Hebrew is RtoL.) In BIBdraft, apparently WebKit notices that there is LtoR content right off the bat (English lemmatization), and goes halfway: The verse number displays on the left, but the content is RtoL as expected. This is OK with lemma display enabled. However, with Strong's encoded in both the regular mode as well as in a per-word footnote that links internally to StrongsRealHebrew, when footnotes are enabled (each precedes the word), without any other control offered to WebKit, the display goes entirely LtoR, which is of course wrong for Hebrew, but right for English. Bluntly, WebKit can't get the right result, no matter what any one person wants. Also, even more weirdly, an early cut used the BDB content as the per-word footnote. With footnotes enabled, OT text display went completely insane -- one line per word, and a great deal of unused vertical whitespace, 2 or 3 lines' worth between every pair of words. Useless. Disable footnotes, and it goes back to normal. Now, these are footnotes, they don't display inline at all, yet being enabled made things insane in the mainline display. I couldn't explain it, and I couldn't control it, so I scaled down the per-word footnotes to the prev'ly-mentioned refs to StrongsRealHebrew. I didn't originally intend to make these modules public, but I am curious how others feel about the display. So I thought I'd name them carefully with "draft" suffixes and unleash them for others to critique. I'd like to know how you feel about them, in any frontend, though of course Xiphos concerns me personally the most, and questions of how to improve the interlinear presentation will top the list. --karl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Thu Jun 7 02:13:41 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:13:41 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: GerLeoRP05 In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: I don't think I'm mistaken here, Peter. Aside: Whether or not I may have been wrong on unrelated matters is not pertinent to this thread. "SWORD has the ability to show or hide non-Strong's lemmas as a group. See GlobalOptionFilter=OSISLemma ? for OSIS texts having lemmas." Refer to https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Marking_other_lemmas This module does not have any non-Strong's lemmas, unlike the KJV module which does. A search of the mod2imp output for the module GerLeoRP05 for the string "lemma." (without the quotes, but with the period) gives 0 results. cf. When the Lemmas option is selected in the KJV module, Xiphos shows the Greek words from the TR. The filter is not required for modules that do not have such "other lemmas". Moreover, there's no dependency upon the GlobalOptionFilter=OSISLemma for either GlobalOptionFilter=OSISStrongs or GlobalOptionFilter=OSISMorph Removing this line from the .conf does not affect the functioning of these two filters. I just tried this to confirm. Best regards, David Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On 6 June 2018 10:12 PM, refdoc at gmx.net wrote: > I have heard different regarding that filter and have it deliberately included. Not poor logic. Wrong logic, maybe, but given that you were wrong on the Hebrew/GreekParse parameter, I will wait for different advice confirming your view. > > Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird autocorrects. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module upload: GerLeoRP05 > From: David Haslam > To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum > CC: > >> This line also is superfluous. >> >> GlobalOptionFilter=OSISLemma >> >> All 137600 lemma attributes begin "strong:..." >> >> There are no other types of lemma in the module. >> >> Enabling this module option in Xiphos is roughly equivalent to using doublespace. >> This has no added value for the module. >> >> Again this must be due to poor logic in the confmaker script. >> >> Best regards, >> >> David >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> >> On 2 June 2018 7:59 PM, wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> This is to announce that we have just now uploaded GerLeoRP05. >>> >>> This is is an updated version of GerLeoRP05. >>> >>> Many thanks to Thomas for the hard work. >>> >>> yours >>> >>> The Module Team >>> >>> P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module >>> >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>> >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Thu Jun 7 04:53:21 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 07:53:21 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: FreLXX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This line in frelxx.conf is superfluous: GlobalOptionFilter=UTF8GreekAccents I think it's triggered in confmaker script by the presence of these characters. U+2019 ? 656 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK NB. The source text is inconsistent in which character is used for the typographical apostrophe. cf. U+0027 ' 39,200 APOSTROPHE Example: Exodus 3:13 contains "les fils d'Isra?l" (character U+0027 used) Exodus 3:15 contains "aux fils d?Isra?l" (character U+2019 used) When the Greek Accents filter is disabled (in Xiphos) the latter becomes "aux fils dIsra?l" (without the apostrophe). There are no Greek letters in the module, so the GreekAccents filter should not be included. ?Best regards, David Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.? ??????? Original Message ??????? On 4 June 2018 7:38 AM, wrote: > Dear All, > > This is to announce that we have just now uploaded FreLXX. > > This is is an updated version of FreLXX. > > Many thanks to update for the hard work. > > yours > > The Module Team > > P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: FreLXX.raw.imp.character.frequency.txt URL: From refdoc at gmx.net Thu Jun 7 05:54:27 2018 From: refdoc at gmx.net (refdoc at gmx.net) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:54:27 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: FreLXX References:

Message-ID: <-vdgkjg-1ma8m8-3avyhl-io9imz-ffz85dxp4h72-y655oy-kkr3lb-9qq15jv2hu26-bw38vz-ixf9ziuv8qir-kfg7ai50c6u4k1zuth-rhncompe1ryj-ok2rse-sdij6yn6hn78ef8lpchy4f1s-r26ce.1528376067838@email.android.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmsmith at crosswire.org Thu Jun 7 11:25:00 2018 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:25:00 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: FreLXX In-Reply-To: <-vdgkjg-1ma8m8-3avyhl-io9imz-ffz85dxp4h72-y655oy-kkr3lb-9qq15jv2hu26-bw38vz-ixf9ziuv8qir-kfg7ai50c6u4k1zuth-rhncompe1ryj-ok2rse-sdij6yn6hn78ef8lpchy4f1s-r26ce.1528376067838@email.android.com> References:

<-vdgkjg-1ma8m8-3avyhl-io9imz-ffz85dxp4h72-y655oy-kkr3lb-9qq15jv2hu26-bw38vz-ixf9ziuv8qir-kfg7ai50c6u4k1zuth-rhncompe1ryj-ok2rse-sdij6yn6hn78ef8lpchy4f1s-r26ce.1528376067838@email.android.com> <3FA2CDE0-9E97-4381-BC6D-AD20EE825844@crosswire.org> Message-ID: This ongoing problem affects far too many module releases. The immediate cause is a wrong assumption implemented in the confmaker script. The UTF8GreekAccents filter does not restrict its filtering to accents joined or adjacent to letters in the Greek alphabet. And by "accents" please remember that some of these are actually Unicode punctuation marks. It applies the filter "willy-nilly" no matter what the context in terms of language, script or alphabet. It's a one-way valve that should never be used "backwards" to determine whether or not it should be present in the .conf file. Aside: The other UTF8 filters are not like this, so it's OK for confmaker to use them for testing to see if they are required. The set of Unicode characters filtered by UTF8GreekAccents are not unique to the Koine Greek language. Some of them are found in many other languages. It's theoretically feasible to redesign the filter such that it applies only in the context of Greek letters. So yes, this is a matter for SWORD developers to consider too. I documented a suitable mapping table in my GitHub repo in March 2017. See https://github.com/DavidHaslam/UTF8-Greek-Accents It was discussed in this mailing list at the time. Troy was unwilling to replace the existing filter on the grounds that it does what it was designed for on accented Greek modules. The point is this. It was never designed to be used in general to test whether it is needed by a module. When used for this unintended "backwards" purpose, it generally gives the wrong answer. This concept is not difficult to understand. Unless and until the filter itself is redesigned, we need a compromise workaround for the confmaker script. My suggestion is to restrict applying this "backwards" test to only the modules in which this line is present. Lang=grc This would largely prevent the ongoing spurious addition of this filter due to the automation of module publishing. One can imagine there may be corner cases, such as where (e.g.) a French Bible module had study notes which included some accented Greek words. But the impact would be minimal by not having the filter in the conf file in such rare cases. Best regards, David Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On 7 June 2018 7:25 PM, DM Smith wrote: > I think it is a bug in the SWORD engine if single right quotation mark is seen as a Greek diacritic. > > Will look later to verify. > > If it is then the module should not have the option. > > ? DM Smith > > On Jun 7, 2018, at 8:54 AM, "refdoc at gmx.net" wrote: > >> If a Greek accent is in use, the filter will be there. If this is a bug, I.e. there should not be a Greek accent, please highlight this at source. I guess this is the right approach here too. Then the next iteration will not have a spurious filter >> >> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird autocorrects. >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module upload: FreLXX >> From: David Haslam >> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum >> CC: >> >>> This line in frelxx.conf is superfluous: >>> >>> GlobalOptionFilter=UTF8GreekAccents >>> >>> I think it's triggered in confmaker script by the presence of these characters. >>> U+2019 ? 656 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK >>> >>> NB. The source text is inconsistent in which character is used for the typographical apostrophe. cf. >>> U+0027 ' 39,200 APOSTROPHE >>> >>> Example: >>> Exodus 3:13 contains "les fils d'Isra?l" (character U+0027 used) >>> Exodus 3:15 contains "aux fils d?Isra?l" (character U+2019 used) >>> >>> When the Greek Accents filter is disabled (in Xiphos) the latter becomes "aux fils dIsra?l" (without the apostrophe). >>> >>> There are no Greek letters in the module, so the GreekAccents filter should not be included. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> David >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> ??????? Original Message ??????? >>> >>> On 4 June 2018 7:38 AM, wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> This is to announce that we have just now uploaded FreLXX. >>>> >>>> This is is an updated version of FreLXX. >>>> >>>> Many thanks to update for the hard work. >>>> >>>> yours >>>> >>>> The Module Team >>>> >>>> P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module >>>> >>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>>> >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Fri Jun 8 05:29:33 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:29:33 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Variants In-Reply-To: <54ee53b4b59174488381b2e982bee54206626657.camel@crosswire.org> References: <54ee53b4b59174488381b2e982bee54206626657.camel@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Hi Peter, I've only seen it used as an attribute of the seg element when part of the main text (not in a note) of a module. See https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Marking_variants This is what the OSISVariants filter processes. A rdg element contains the variation from the main text and appears in a note element. See OSIS 2.1 User Reference, section 13.11 Rdg The OSISVariants filter has no effect on these. ?Best regards, David Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.? ??????? Original Message ??????? On 30 May 2018 4:13 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > Is our current variant system based on the tag or the > type="x-variant": construction. Or both? > > Thanks > > Peter > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From refdoc at crosswire.org Fri Jun 8 07:06:52 2018 From: refdoc at crosswire.org (refdoc at crosswire.org) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:06:52 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: SpaRV1865 Message-ID: Dear All, This is to announce that we have just now uploaded SpaRV1865. This is is an updated version of SpaRV1865. Many thanks to David for the hard work. yours The Module Team P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Sat Jun 9 04:36:12 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2018 07:36:12 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: SpaRV1865 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many thanks to the module team for publishing SpaRV1865. Please understand that this is a new module, rather an update to an earlier one. I've yet to install it from the repo. ?Best regards, David Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.? ??????? Original Message ??????? On 8 June 2018 3:06 PM, wrote: > Dear All, > > This is to announce that we have just now uploaded SpaRV1865. > > This is is an updated version of SpaRV1865. > > Many thanks to David for the hard work. > > yours > > The Module Team > > P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Sat Jun 9 04:39:21 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2018 07:39:21 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Inclusion of the Reina-Valera 1865 In-Reply-To: References: <5A863D54.1030100@gmail.com> <5A86FD39.6050600@gmail.com> Message-ID: Many thanks to the module team for publishing SpaRV1865 yesterday. Best regards, David Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On 8 May 2018 11:17 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Just a quick note to inform everyone that after working closely with Vince LaRue since mid-February on text development for the Spanish RV1865, > earlier today I have (on his behalf) submitted the module to CrossWire for release. > > It's been a pleasure to get to know Vince and work with him. > In the course of this work, I've also learnt a lot about Spanish as a language. > > Best regards, > > David > > Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On 16 February 2018 3:48 PM, Vince LaRue wrote: > >> Hi Michael, >> >> ParaTExt doesn't run on OSX, and I don't have the mental system resources to muck about with Wine, or the money to get Crossover. Autographa Lite doesn't seem to do anything; it opens and doesn't appear to let me do anything (maybe I'm missing something; I'm not the brightest bulb). translationStudio doesn't appear to allow rudimentary markup like italics, at least not that I could figure out in the half an hour or so that I wrestled with it. Bibleedit appears to require me to install a server app, which I really don't want to do in order to convert an already complete Bible in XML into another format. I was happy working in plain text, but the sheer volume of the work would hinder making this available quickly. >> >> Another question: if OSIS is no longer the best way to produce digital texts (which is my only interest currently), then why is nothing said about a different preferred method on the Crosswire wiki? The last information I can find is the 2.1.1 OSIS schema from 2006, and it's consistently referenced throughout the wiki. Is that not a reliable source of information? >> >> Please pardon my incessant questions; I'm simply trying to figure out the best way to make this Bible available electronically. The print version is a parallel but separate endeavor, though I hope that the digital prep process will produce a file that can be continually annotated to eventually produce a reference Bible, both print and digital. >> >> One other thing: I have been looking into Sketch Engine (https://the.sketchengine.co.uk/) for producing a back-of-the-Bible print concordance, and they recommend the "brat" annotation tool (http://brat.nlplab.org/). Is this something that could at all be useful with a Bible text, or configured to output data that would be useful? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Vince >> >> Michael H wrote: >> >>> Hi Vince, >>> >>> There isn't really a good native OSIS editing system. However, there are excellent Bible editing software programs available with no cost. >>> >>> I suggest you seek an USFM editor instead. Bibledit, Paratext, Autographa Lite, Translation Studio are all excellent programs. (See the links). Each of these programs has checking tools which will greatly improve your ability to detect issues with your Bible text, and to correct the issues you find. Once you have a clean USFM, conforming to OSIS is relatively simple. I believe the preferred method these days is a python script 'u2o.py'. >>> >>> OSIS is an output intended for computers. USFM is a tagging language that is usable by humans and computers, which produces USX (An xml language similar to OSIS, but designed this decade by the same groups that produced OSIS in the early 2000's.) >>> >>> Paratext: https://pt8.paratext.org/ >>> Bibledit: http://bibledit.org/ >>> I think Bibledit imports OSIS, if you already have worked toward clean OSIS. >>> Autographa: https://www.autographa.com/ >>> Translation Studio: https://unfoldingword.org/ts/ >>> >>> About USFM: http://ubsicap.github.io/usfm/ >>> About USX: https://ubsicap.github.io/usx/ >>> >>> USFM2OSIS : https://github.com/adyeths/u2o (Is this the current one?) >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:09 PM, Vince LaRue wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, and thank you for accepting my request to join the mailing list. My name is Vince LaRue and I'm a missionary in Southern Chile. I use Eloquent almost exclusively, despite the frequent crashes, and I'd like to do whatever is in my limited (non-programmer) capacity to help the SWORD project. >>>> >>>> I'm also the tech guy for what used to be the Valera Bible Society (Sociedad B?blica Valera) before it was put on ice, and now the website, [www.valera1865.org](http://www.valera1865.org/), which I run, is a source for information about the RV1865. We've had the Bible itself back in print for 17 years now, but the various digital versions have been plagued with sundry typographical issues. I'm fixing that. >>>> >>>> We're basically done with a complete, verse-by-verse overhaul of the text, and I have it in a cleaned-up verse-per-line format in basic HTML (each verse enclosed in

tags) broken down into 23 text files. I would like to produce a high-quality OSIS version that I can continue to work on, adding various tags throughout the text, but the goal is to get it ready for distribution immediately. >>>> >>>> What are the steps that I need to take to make this happen? Are there utilities that can convert what I have to OSIS-compatible XML? Here's a sample: >>>> >>>>

EL EVANGELIO DE NUESTRO SE?OR JESU CRISTO SEG?N

>>>> >>>>

SAN MATEO

>>>> >>>>

CAPITULO 1

>>>> >>>>

1 Libro de la generaci?n de Jesu Cristo, hijo de David, hijo de Abraham.

>>>> >>>>

2 Abraham engendr? a Isaac; e Isaac engendr? a Jacob; y Jacob engendr? a J?das, y a sus hermanos;

>>>> >>>>

3 Y J?das engendr? de Tamar a Fares y a Zara; y Fares engendr? a Esrom; y Esrom engendr? a Aram;

>>>> >>>> Thank you again for your time, and I look forward to working with you all. >>>> >>>> In Christ, >>>> >>>> Vince LaRue >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list: >>> sword-devel at crosswire.org >>> >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Mon Jun 11 04:46:37 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 07:46:37 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: FreLXX In-Reply-To: References:

<-vdgkjg-1ma8m8-3avyhl-io9imz-ffz85dxp4h72-y655oy-kkr3lb-9qq15jv2hu26-bw38vz-ixf9ziuv8qir-kfg7ai50c6u4k1zuth-rhncompe1ryj-ok2rse-sdij6yn6hn78ef8lpchy4f1s-r26ce.1528376067838@email.android.com> <3FA2CDE0-9E97-4381-BC6D-AD20EE825844@crosswire.org> <7K_srTslxpkjRirVW7de3n24XjL9196jX6LJL4hYiW8-9HhyYq16zFxGCGxfkO0tktuJb5TJLYqxyShNsV9LxCkXycG1E34rnetc_SGxxX0=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <8670baf0-3de3-807f-4492-27c0c64a21cc@beforgiven.info> This suggestion is in ignorance of the code and other matters, but I wonder if the filter could be changed to allow single quote in the *absence* of a preceeding Greek letter in the list you gave. Tom Sullivan info at BeForgiven.INFO FAX: 815-301-2835 --------------------- Great News! God created you, owns you and gave you commands to obey. You have disobeyed God - as your conscience very well attests to you. God's holiness and justice compel Him to punish you in Hell. Jesus Christ became Man, was crucified, buried and rose from the dead as a substitute for all who trust in Him, redeeming them from Hell. If you repent (turn from your sin) and believe (trust) in Jesus Christ, you will go to Heaven. Otherwise you will go to Hell. Warning! Good works are a result, not cause, of saving trust. More info is at www.esig.beforgiven.info Do you believe this? Copy this signature into your email program and use the Internet to spread the Great News every time you email. On 06/11/2018 07:46 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Further clarification and observations about the SWORD filter for > UTF8GreekAccents... > > My reply of 7th June was sent before I was informed about the source > code for UTF8GreekAccents. > In fact, this does make use of the mapping table that I provided in > March 2017. Thanks, Troy! > > You can visit the latest version in SVN trunk here. > https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/src/modules/filters/utf8greekaccents.cpp > > Please note that it was patched during the weekend to add the lines to > process GREEK KORONIS & COMBINING GREEK KORONIS. > as well as to remove a residual (unused) declaration leftover from the > original version. Thanks, Troy. > > We may have been wondering why the filter still includes a line to > remove the RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION > ????? converters[0x2019] = ""; // RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK > > This is because the source text in some older accented Greek modules > used this Unicode character. > These are usually found at End of Word locations, with typically 1218 > occurrences. > More recent editions of the Greek NT use the GREEK KORONIS?0x1FBD in all > these same locations. > > Modules with 0x2019 include MorphGNT, TischMorph and 2TGreek. > Modules with 0x1FBD include SBLG_THE. > > FIO. The only Greek letters ever followed by the character are typified > by the following analysis (extracted from MorphGNT). > Count Pattern > 0034 ?? > 0107 ?? > 0233 ?? > 0292 ?? > 0213 ?? > 0132 ?? > 0061 ?? > 0149 ?? > The counts vary slightly for different modules. > > We should consider the conjecture that the first ever digitisation of > (e.g.) the Tischendorf NT was simply transcribed incorrectly. > i.e. 0x2019 was keyed everywhere one would nowadays expect to use a > GREEK KORONIS. > Maybe the task was performed between Unicode 1.0 (October 1991) and > Unicode 1.1 (June 1993) ? > > Aside: It's very likely that digitisation took place before Unicode even > existed, and that the text was subsequently converted to Unicode. > Some of you may remember Claremont-Michigan encodings for Hebrew, > Aramaic and Greek. > > So, rather than being a bug in SWORD, in retrospect it looks more like > an accommodation to a systematic transcription error in some NT Greek > text sources. > What we should do about it remains an open question. > > One new question arises from the changes to the SWORD filter (2017 & 2018). > Has anything similar been done for the equivalent JSword filter? > > Best regards. > > David > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On 7 June 2018 8:06 PM, David Haslam wrote: > >> This ongoing problem affects far too many module releases. >> The immediate cause is a wrong assumption implemented in the confmaker >> script. >> >> The UTF8GreekAccents filter does not restrict its filtering to accents >> joined or adjacent to letters in the Greek alphabet. >> And by "accents" please remember that some of these are actually >> Unicode punctuation marks. >> It applies the filter "willy-nilly" no matter what the context in >> terms of language, script or alphabet. >> It's a one-way valve that should never be used "backwards" to >> determine whether or not it should be present in the .conf file. >> >> Aside: The other UTF8 filters are not like this, so it's OK for >> confmaker to use them for testing to see if they are required. >> >> The set of Unicode characters filtered by UTF8GreekAccents are not >> unique to the Koine Greek language. >> Some of them are found in many other languages. >> >> It's theoretically feasible to redesign the filter such that it >> applies only in the context of Greek letters. >> So yes, this is a matter for SWORD developers to consider too. >> I documented a suitable mapping table in my GitHub repo in March 2017. See >> https://github.com/DavidHaslam/UTF8-Greek-Accents >> >> It was discussed in this mailing list at the time. >> Troy was unwilling to replace the existing filter on the grounds that >> it does what it was designed for on accented Greek modules. >> The point is this. It was never designed to be used in general to test >> whether it is needed by a module. >> When used for this unintended "backwards" purpose, it generally gives >> the wrong answer. >> >> This concept is not difficult to understand. >> >> Unless and until the filter itself is redesigned, we need a compromise >> workaround for the confmaker script. >> My suggestion is to restrict applying this "backwards" test to only >> the modules in which this line is present. >> >> Lang=grc >> >> This would largely prevent the ongoing spurious addition of this >> filter due to the automation of module publishing. >> One can imagine there may be corner cases, such as where (e.g.) a >> French Bible module had study notes which included some accented Greek >> words. >> But the impact would be minimal by not having the filter in the conf >> file in such rare cases. >> >> Best regards, >> >> David >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On 7 June 2018 7:25 PM, DM Smith wrote: >> >>> I think it is a bug in the SWORD engine if single right quotation >>> mark is seen as a Greek diacritic. >>> >>> Will look later to verify. >>> >>> If it is then the module should not have the option. >>> >>> ? DM Smith >>> >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2018, at 8:54 AM, "refdoc at gmx.net " >>> > wrote: >>>> If a Greek accent is in use, the filter will be there. If this is a >>>> bug, I.e. there should not be a Greek accent, please highlight this >>>> at source. I guess this is the right approach here too. Then the >>>> next iteration will not have a spurious filter >>>> >>>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird >>>> autocorrects. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module upload: FreLXX >>>> From: David Haslam >>>> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum >>>> CC: >>>> >>>> >>>> This line in frelxx.conf is superfluous: >>>> >>>> GlobalOptionFilter=UTF8GreekAccents >>>> >>>> I think it's triggered in confmaker script by the presence of >>>> these characters. >>>> U+2019 ? 656 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK >>>> >>>> NB. The source text is inconsistent in which character is used >>>> for the typographical apostrophe. cf. >>>> U+0027 ' 39,200 APOSTROPHE >>>> >>>> Example: >>>> Exodus 3:13 contains "les fils d'Isra?l" (character U+0027 used) >>>> Exodus 3:15 contains "aux fils d?Isra?l" (character U+2019 used) >>>> >>>> When the Greek Accents filter is disabled (in Xiphos) the latter >>>> becomes "aux fils dIsra?l" (without the apostrophe). >>>> >>>> There are no Greek letters in the module, so the GreekAccents >>>> filter should not be included. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>>> >>>> ??????? Original Message ??????? >>>> >>>> On 4 June 2018 7:38 AM, wrote: >>>> >>>> > Dear All, >>>> > >>>> > This is to announce that we have just now uploaded FreLXX. >>>> > >>>> > This is is an updated version of FreLXX. >>>> > >>>> > Many thanks to update for the hard work. >>>> > >>>> > yours >>>> > >>>> > The Module Team >>>> > >>>> > P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a >>>> new/updated module >>>> > >>>> > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>>> >>>> > >>>> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> > >>>> > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>>> >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>>> >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. > For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Mon Jun 11 07:49:49 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:49:49 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Module upload: FreLXX In-Reply-To: <7K_srTslxpkjRirVW7de3n24XjL9196jX6LJL4hYiW8-9HhyYq16zFxGCGxfkO0tktuJb5TJLYqxyShNsV9LxCkXycG1E34rnetc_SGxxX0=@protonmail.com> References:

<-vdgkjg-1ma8m8-3avyhl-io9imz-ffz85dxp4h72-y655oy-kkr3lb-9qq15jv2hu26-bw38vz-ixf9ziuv8qir-kfg7ai50c6u4k1zuth-rhncompe1ryj-ok2rse-sdij6yn6hn78ef8lpchy4f1s-r26ce.1528376067838@email.android.com> <3FA2CDE0-9E97-4381-BC6D-AD20EE825844@crosswire.org> <7K_srTslxpkjRirVW7de3n24XjL9196jX6LJL4hYiW8-9HhyYq16zFxGCGxfkO0tktuJb5TJLYqxyShNsV9LxCkXycG1E34rnetc_SGxxX0=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: Further to my earlier reply today, observe that the section of code where the RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK is removed is not 100% specific to the Greek language. //first just remove combining characters converters[0x2019] = ""; // RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK converters[0x1FBF] = ""; // GREEK PSILI converters[0x2CFF] = ""; // COPTIC MORPHOLOGICAL DIVIDER converters[0xFE24] = ""; // COMBINING MACRON LEFT HALF converters[0xFE25] = ""; // COMBINING MACRON RIGHT HALF converters[0xFE26] = ""; // COMBINING CONJOINING MACRON converters[0x0300] = ""; // COMBINING GRAVE ACCENT converters[0x0301] = ""; // COMBINING ACUTE ACCENT converters[0x0302] = ""; // COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT converters[0x0308] = ""; // COMBINING DIAERESIS converters[0x0313] = ""; // COMBINING COMMA ABOVE converters[0x0314] = ""; // COMBINING REVERSED COMMA ABOVE converters[0x037A] = ""; // GREEK YPOGEGRAMMENI converters[0x0342] = ""; // COMBINING GREEK PERISPOMENI converters[0x1FBD] = ""; // GREEK KORONIS converters[0x0343] = ""; // COMBINING GREEK KORONIS Assuming that UTF-8 is normalized to NFC during module build or earlier, there are many non-Greek character sets and alphabets where some of the above combining characters can survive the normalization process. They remain as separate characters in the module text wherever there is no corresponding precomposed character. For such modules, applying the filter will result in a change. Hence my concern (expressed in the idiom "willy-nilly") that using the filter to determine whether it should be specified in the .conf file is not always a good idea. Best regards, David Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On 11 June 2018 12:46 PM, David Haslam wrote: > Further clarification and observations about the SWORD filter for UTF8GreekAccents... > > My reply of 7th June was sent before I was informed about the source code for UTF8GreekAccents. > In fact, this does make use of the mapping table that I provided in March 2017. Thanks, Troy! > > You can visit the latest version in SVN trunk here. > https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/src/modules/filters/utf8greekaccents.cpp > > Please note that it was patched during the weekend to add the lines to process GREEK KORONIS & COMBINING GREEK KORONIS. > as well as to remove a residual (unused) declaration leftover from the original version. Thanks, Troy. > > We may have been wondering why the filter still includes a line to remove the RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION > converters[0x2019] = ""; // RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK > > This is because the source text in some older accented Greek modules used this Unicode character. > These are usually found at End of Word locations, with typically 1218 occurrences. > More recent editions of the Greek NT use the GREEK KORONIS 0x1FBD in all these same locations. > > Modules with 0x2019 include MorphGNT, TischMorph and 2TGreek. > Modules with 0x1FBD include SBLG_THE. > > FIO. The only Greek letters ever followed by the character are typified by the following analysis (extracted from MorphGNT). > Count Pattern > 0034 ?? > 0107 ?? > 0233 ?? > 0292 ?? > 0213 ?? > 0132 ?? > 0061 ?? > 0149 ?? > The counts vary slightly for different modules. > > We should consider the conjecture that the first ever digitisation of (e.g.) the Tischendorf NT was simply transcribed incorrectly. > i.e. 0x2019 was keyed everywhere one would nowadays expect to use a GREEK KORONIS. > Maybe the task was performed between Unicode 1.0 (October 1991) and Unicode 1.1 (June 1993) ? > > Aside: It's very likely that digitisation took place before Unicode even existed, and that the text was subsequently converted to Unicode. > Some of you may remember Claremont-Michigan encodings for Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. > > So, rather than being a bug in SWORD, in retrospect it looks more like an accommodation to a systematic transcription error in some NT Greek text sources. > What we should do about it remains an open question. > > One new question arises from the changes to the SWORD filter (2017 & 2018). > Has anything similar been done for the equivalent JSword filter? > > Best regards. > > David > > Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On 7 June 2018 8:06 PM, David Haslam wrote: > >> This ongoing problem affects far too many module releases. >> The immediate cause is a wrong assumption implemented in the confmaker script. >> >> The UTF8GreekAccents filter does not restrict its filtering to accents joined or adjacent to letters in the Greek alphabet. >> And by "accents" please remember that some of these are actually Unicode punctuation marks. >> It applies the filter "willy-nilly" no matter what the context in terms of language, script or alphabet. >> It's a one-way valve that should never be used "backwards" to determine whether or not it should be present in the .conf file. >> >> Aside: The other UTF8 filters are not like this, so it's OK for confmaker to use them for testing to see if they are required. >> >> The set of Unicode characters filtered by UTF8GreekAccents are not unique to the Koine Greek language. >> Some of them are found in many other languages. >> >> It's theoretically feasible to redesign the filter such that it applies only in the context of Greek letters. >> So yes, this is a matter for SWORD developers to consider too. >> I documented a suitable mapping table in my GitHub repo in March 2017. See >> https://github.com/DavidHaslam/UTF8-Greek-Accents >> >> It was discussed in this mailing list at the time. >> Troy was unwilling to replace the existing filter on the grounds that it does what it was designed for on accented Greek modules. >> The point is this. It was never designed to be used in general to test whether it is needed by a module. >> When used for this unintended "backwards" purpose, it generally gives the wrong answer. >> >> This concept is not difficult to understand. >> >> Unless and until the filter itself is redesigned, we need a compromise workaround for the confmaker script. >> My suggestion is to restrict applying this "backwards" test to only the modules in which this line is present. >> >> Lang=grc >> >> This would largely prevent the ongoing spurious addition of this filter due to the automation of module publishing. >> One can imagine there may be corner cases, such as where (e.g.) a French Bible module had study notes which included some accented Greek words. >> But the impact would be minimal by not having the filter in the conf file in such rare cases. >> >> Best regards, >> >> David >> >> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On 7 June 2018 7:25 PM, DM Smith wrote: >> >>> I think it is a bug in the SWORD engine if single right quotation mark is seen as a Greek diacritic. >>> >>> Will look later to verify. >>> >>> If it is then the module should not have the option. >>> >>> ? DM Smith >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2018, at 8:54 AM, "refdoc at gmx.net" wrote: >>> >>>> If a Greek accent is in use, the filter will be there. If this is a bug, I.e. there should not be a Greek accent, please highlight this at source. I guess this is the right approach here too. Then the next iteration will not have a spurious filter >>>> >>>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird autocorrects. >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Module upload: FreLXX >>>> From: David Haslam >>>> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum >>>> CC: >>>> >>>>> This line in frelxx.conf is superfluous: >>>>> >>>>> GlobalOptionFilter=UTF8GreekAccents >>>>> >>>>> I think it's triggered in confmaker script by the presence of these characters. >>>>> U+2019 ? 656 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK >>>>> >>>>> NB. The source text is inconsistent in which character is used for the typographical apostrophe. cf. >>>>> U+0027 ' 39,200 APOSTROPHE >>>>> >>>>> Example: >>>>> Exodus 3:13 contains "les fils d'Isra?l" (character U+0027 used) >>>>> Exodus 3:15 contains "aux fils d?Isra?l" (character U+2019 used) >>>>> >>>>> When the Greek Accents filter is disabled (in Xiphos) the latter becomes "aux fils dIsra?l" (without the apostrophe). >>>>> >>>>> There are no Greek letters in the module, so the GreekAccents filter should not be included. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>>>> >>>>> ??????? Original Message ??????? >>>>> >>>>> On 4 June 2018 7:38 AM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is to announce that we have just now uploaded FreLXX. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is is an updated version of FreLXX. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks to update for the hard work. >>>>>> >>>>>> yours >>>>>> >>>>>> The Module Team >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S.: This email is sent automatically on upload of a new/updated module >>>>>> >>>>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<-vdgkjg-1ma8m8-3avyhl-io9imz-ffz85dxp4h72-y655oy-kkr3lb-9qq15jv2hu26-bw38vz-ixf9ziuv8qir-kfg7ai50c6u4k1zuth-rhncompe1ryj-ok2rse-sdij6yn6hn78ef8lpchy4f1s-r26ce.1528376067838@email.android.com> <3FA2CDE0-9E97-4381-BC6D-AD20EE825844@crosswire.org> <7K_srTslxpkjRirVW7de3n24XjL9196jX6LJL4hYiW8-9HhyYq16zFxGCGxfkO0tktuJb5TJLYqxyShNsV9LxCkXycG1E34rnetc_SGxxX0=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: JSword doesn?t show/hide ?accents?. This is a deliberate design decision. ? DM Smith > On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:46 AM, David Haslam wrote: > > Has anything similar been done for the equivalent JSword filter? From john.dudeck at sim.org Mon Jun 11 17:11:57 2018 From: john.dudeck at sim.org (John Dudeck) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 20:11:57 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Introductory material in OSIS (osis2mod) Message-ID: <5B1F0FCD.32617.33251028@john.dudeck.sim.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmsmith at crosswire.org Mon Jun 11 18:46:02 2018 From: dmsmith at crosswire.org (DM Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 21:46:02 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Introductory material in OSIS (osis2mod) In-Reply-To: <5B1F0FCD.32617.33251028@john.dudeck.sim.org> References: <5B1F0FCD.32617.33251028@john.dudeck.sim.org> Message-ID: I?ll see if I can explain from memory. I?m the most recent contributor to osis2mod. Below ?first? means the first encountered. For a complete Bible it is as you?d think, but if there is only one testament or an incomplete testament, first may not refer to Genesis or Matthew. Also, if a book or chapter doesn?t start with chapter or verse 1, then first doesn?t refer to 1. BTW, Intro, Heading, and Title are treated as the same. The toggle for headings handles all three the same. Initially the thought was that there were only titles and sub-titles. Bible Intro. Osis2mod doesn?t know how to properly handle this. Everything before the first testament is gathered as the Bible intro. OSIS doesn?t require testament divisions, but these are needed to identify a Bible intro. Testament Intro. Osis2mod doesn?t know how to properly handle this. Everything before the first book is gathered as a testament intro. Everything after the last book of the Old Testament and before the first book of the New Testament is gathered as the NT intro. Because osis2mod doesn?t know how to address Bible and Testament intro it is put in the first location it knows is after that point. Practically, it becomes intro material in the first chapter. Book Intro. Everything inside the book tag before the first chapter tag is a Book intro. While it is placed in chapter 0, verse 0 for the book, you never explicitly address 0. Osis2mod will figure it out. Chapter Intro. This is the most difficult. A chapter intro comes after the chapter tag and comes before the tag for verse 1. But some can be an intro that goes with the chapter and some is taken as the intro to a verse. Since it is hard to control where one ends and the next begins, the wiki has carefully laid out how osis2mod distinguishes the two. Special treatment is needed for canonical Psalm headings. That which goes with the chapter intro is put into verse 0 for that chapter, but you never explicitly address 0. Osis2mod will figure it out as well. The rest is prefixed to verse 1 with special markup that osis2mod adds. Verse intro (aka titles). This is everything between 2 verses after the last closing tag of the prior verse and before the start verse tag. Often this contains no text but only structural tags. Many frontends do not show intro material but only material from verse 1 and following. (Hopefully, I?m wrong.) If you make an uncompressed module and use the debug flag to show markers for verses you can view the built data files in a readable format. If someone can explain to me how to address the intros using the SWORD engine, I?ll update osis2mod to properly store them. The wiki can be improved. Feel free to make it read better. Hope this helps, DM > On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:11 PM, John Dudeck wrote: > > Would somebody please clarify the documentation on the wiki page for osis2mod.exe for "Handling of Introductions, Titles and Inter-Verse Material". I can't make heads nor tails out of it. > > Specifically, how are we supposed to tag (in OSIS) the introductory material in a Bible? The wiki page says that SWORD looks for module, testament, book and chapter introductory material." In the Bibles I am working on, everything inside of chapter tags is being displayed, but none of the stuff outside the chapter tags is being displayed. > > It says that "A module introduction should be place into testament 0, book 0, chapter 0, verse 0. A testament introduction should be placed into testament 1 or 2, book 0, chapter 0, verse 0." What does this mean? Where do you tag the testament number, the book number, etc? This is not explained in the OSIS documentation, which only mentions book abbreviations, and nothing about testaments. > > It says "See OSIS Bibles for best practices in marking up titles and introductions." But that page says nothing at all about introductions. > > Thanks. > > John Dudeck > Programmer at Editions Cle Lyon, France > john.dudeck at sim.org john at editionscle.com > -- > It's not a bug; it's an undocumented feature. > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise, avail yourself of the ease of binding C++ applications into another language like Python or PHP and allow those languages and frameworks to handle the web part of the traffic. --Greg On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 9:59 AM Daniel Bennett wrote: > Hi everyone, > > So, I talked to Troy about making a JSON output option for C++ Sword. > > Any thoughts? Seen previous attempts? Is this a bad idea/impossible? > > Goal: make a private JSON rest api for a mobile app and website. > > That could also be run offline on a mobile app, with C++ bridging to > native code. > > One option might be to make a filter. > > Best wishes, > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kahunapule at eBible.org Tue Jun 12 20:01:49 2018 From: Kahunapule at eBible.org (Kahunapule Michael Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 17:01:49 -1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? Message-ID: I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system for someone, including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few Bible translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org repository. However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front ends. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about it, or is this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? -- signature Aloha, */Michael Johnson/** PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule From greg.hellings at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 20:14:59 2018 From: greg.hellings at gmail.com (Greg Hellings) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:14:59 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you go through the normal path of refreshing the standard list of sources? --Greg On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson < Kahunapule at ebible.org> wrote: > I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system for someone, > including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few Bible > translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org repository. > However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front ends. Is > anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about it, or is > this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? > > -- > signature > > Aloha, > */Michael Johnson/** > PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA > mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: > kahunapule > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karl at kleinpaste.org Tue Jun 12 20:31:58 2018 From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 23:31:58 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/12/2018 11:01 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: > Is there anything I can do about it, or is this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? I just refreshed eBible in Xiphos without incident. It appears in 2 configurations in my Installmgr.conf; both work for me: FTPSource=eBible.org|ftp.ebible.org|/sword|||20151110161300 HTTPSource=eBible|ebible.org|/sword|||20150816130503 Showing 812 modules available right now. In the normal case, after 1st run of Xiphos mod.mgr, Xiphos will automatically do a load of the standard repo set; if this has somehow not naturally occurred, you can find a Load Standard button on Module Sources -> Add/Remove. This should bring in eBible as long as it's listed in the standard repo set at crosswire.org. Whatever you have wrong, it's not because Xiphos has a problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michael at eBible.org Tue Jun 12 20:36:58 2018 From: Michael at eBible.org (Michael Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 17:36:58 -1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Yes, I refreshed the standard list of sources and manually refreshed eBible.org. I got a blank list. On 06/12/2018 05:14 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > Did you go through the normal path of refreshing the standard list of sources? > > --Greg > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson > wrote: > > I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system for someone, including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few Bible translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org repository. However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front ends. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about it, or is this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? > > -- > signature > > Aloha, > */Michael Johnson/** > PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA > mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- signature Aloha, */Michael Johnson/** PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule From dfhdfh at protonmail.com Tue Jun 12 23:02:20 2018 From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com (David Haslam) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:02:20 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: It's still working for me with Xiphos 4.1.0 for Windows. David Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 04:36, Michael Johnson wrote: > Yes, I refreshed the standard list of sources and manually refreshed eBible.org. I got a blank list. On 06/12/2018 05:14 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > Did you go through the normal path of refreshing the standard list of sources? > > --Greg > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson > wrote: > > I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system for someone, including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few Bible translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org repository. However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front ends. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about it, or is this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? > > -- > signature > > Aloha, > */Michael Johnson/** > PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA > mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- signature Aloha, */Michael Johnson/** PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page at crosswire.org> @ebible.org> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hunt.robertj at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 03:16:20 2018 From: hunt.robertj at gmail.com (Robert Hunt) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:16:20 +1200 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Seems I can't get either http nor ftp eBible repository on Xiphos 4.07 on Ubuntu Bionic. Robert. On 13/06/18 15:36, Michael Johnson wrote: > Yes, I refreshed the standard list of sources and manually refreshed eBible.org. I got a blank list. > > On 06/12/2018 05:14 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: >> Did you go through the normal path of refreshing the standard list of sources? >> >> --Greg >> >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson > wrote: >> >> I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system for someone, including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few Bible translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org repository. However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front ends. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about it, or is this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? >> >> -- >> signature >> >> Aloha, >> */Michael Johnson/** >> PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA >> mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > From Michael at eBible.org Wed Jun 13 11:33:06 2018 From: Michael at eBible.org (Michael Johnson) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:33:06 -1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <8bad51da-e577-caf3-8a78-53bddc5acfb0@eBible.org> I'm looking for a pattern in what works and what doesn't. Here is the test: install a Bible unique to eBible.org. Front end version Sword version OS Result Xiphos 4.1.0 1.8.1 Windows 10 PASS Xiphos 4.0.7 1.7.3 Ubuntu 18.04 FAIL Bibletime 2.11.1 1.8.1 Windows 10 PASS Bibletime 2.11.1 1.7.3 Ubuntu 18.04 FAIL Xiphos 4.0.4 1.7.3 Ubuntu 16.04 PASS Bibletime 2.10.1 1.7.3 Ubuntu 16.04 FAIL Bibletime 2.11.1 ? "About" blank Mac OS 10.13.5 PASS It looks to me like the conditions for failure are running Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver OR running Bibletime 2.10.1. Presumably the latter problem can be safely ignored, since it appears to have been fixed in the current version. However, it seems to me to be worth investigating what it is about Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver that is causing a module manager failure in both Bibletime and Xiphos. Is it the older version of the Sword engine? If so, why does that version work on the previous LTS version of Ubuntu? This seems to be a worthy puzzle to solve. Ubuntu LTS releases are the ones supported by UBS and SIL for Bible translation use, and the Bible translations in the eBible.org repository are frequently used as reference works by Bible translators. Not only that, but for many end users, the only Bible in their own language is in the eBible.org repository. Any clues? On 06/13/2018 12:16 AM, Robert Hunt wrote: > Seems I can't get either http nor ftp eBible repository on Xiphos 4.07 on Ubuntu Bionic. > > Robert. > > > On 13/06/18 15:36, Michael Johnson wrote: >> Yes, I refreshed the standard list of sources and manually refreshed eBible.org. I got a blank list. >> >> On 06/12/2018 05:14 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: >>> Did you go through the normal path of refreshing the standard list of sources? >>> >>> --Greg >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson > wrote: >>> >>> ???? I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system for someone, including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few Bible translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org repository. However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front ends. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about it, or is this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? >>> >>> ???? -- >>> ???? signature >>> >>> ???? Aloha, >>> ???? */Michael Johnson/** >>> ???? PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA >>> ???? mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule >>> >>> >>> ???? _______________________________________________ >>> ???? sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>> ???? http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> ???? Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- signature Aloha, */Michael Johnson/** PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule From amadio.pierre at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 11:47:50 2018 From: amadio.pierre at gmail.com (pierre amadio) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:47:50 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: <8bad51da-e577-caf3-8a78-53bddc5acfb0@eBible.org> References:

<8bad51da-e577-caf3-8a78-53bddc5acfb0@eBible.org> Message-ID: Hi there ! I do not have a Ubuntu 18.04 ready to try out, but you should be able to check wether the problem is within the sword library itself by trying to perform the same task with installmgr. installmgr -r eBible.org installmgr -ri eBible.org fraLSG1910eb If this did not work, double check if you have write permission in all the directory tree under your $SWORD_PATH directroy (i guess you have this permission ok otheryise no module would install though). On 13 June 2018 at 20:33, Michael Johnson wrote: > I'm looking for a pattern in what works and what doesn't. Here is the > test: install a Bible unique to eBible.org. > > Front end > version > Sword version > OS > Result > Xiphos > 4.1.0 > 1.8.1 > Windows 10 > PASS > Xiphos > 4.0.7 > 1.7.3 > Ubuntu 18.04 > FAIL > Bibletime > 2.11.1 > 1.8.1 > Windows 10 > PASS > Bibletime > 2.11.1 > 1.7.3 > Ubuntu 18.04 > FAIL > Xiphos > 4.0.4 > 1.7.3 > Ubuntu 16.04 > PASS > Bibletime > 2.10.1 > 1.7.3 > Ubuntu 16.04 > FAIL > Bibletime > 2.11.1 > ? "About" blank > Mac OS 10.13.5 > PASS > > > It looks to me like the conditions for failure are running Ubuntu 18.04 > Bionic Beaver OR running Bibletime 2.10.1. Presumably the latter problem > can be safely ignored, since it appears to have been fixed in the current > version. However, it seems to me to be worth investigating what it is about > Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver that is causing a module manager failure in both > Bibletime and Xiphos. Is it the older version of the Sword engine? If so, > why does that version work on the previous LTS version of Ubuntu? > > This seems to be a worthy puzzle to solve. Ubuntu LTS releases are the > ones supported by UBS and SIL for Bible translation use, and the Bible > translations in the eBible.org repository are frequently used as reference > works by Bible translators. Not only that, but for many end users, the only > Bible in their own language is in the eBible.org repository. > > Any clues? > > On 06/13/2018 12:16 AM, Robert Hunt wrote: > > Seems I can't get either http nor ftp eBible repository on Xiphos 4.07 > on Ubuntu Bionic. > > > > Robert. > > > > > > On 13/06/18 15:36, Michael Johnson wrote: > >> Yes, I refreshed the standard list of sources and manually refreshed > eBible.org. I got a blank list. > >> > >> On 06/12/2018 05:14 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > >>> Did you go through the normal path of refreshing the standard list of > sources? > >>> > >>> --Greg > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson < > Kahunapule at ebible.org > wrote: > >>> > >>> I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system for > someone, including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few Bible > translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org repository. > However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front ends. Is > anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about it, or is > this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> signature > >>> > >>> Aloha, > >>> */Michael Johnson/** > >>> PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA > >>> mljohnson.org ? > Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org sword-devel at crosswire.org> > >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > -- > signature > > Aloha, > */Michael Johnson/** > PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA > mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: > kahunapule > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michael at eBible.org Wed Jun 13 11:55:57 2018 From: Michael at eBible.org (Michael Johnson) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:55:57 -1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: References:

<8bad51da-e577-caf3-8a78-53bddc5acfb0@eBible.org> Message-ID: <749954f7-ce3c-55c4-cbf5-d4e18e9f838c@eBible.org> Thank you, Pierre. The two installmgr commands you suggested worked on Ubuntu 18.04. Xiphos still failed. On 06/13/2018 08:47 AM, pierre amadio wrote: > Hi there ! > > I do not have a Ubuntu 18.04 ready to try out, but you should be able to check wether the problem is within the sword library itself by trying to perform the same task with installmgr. > > installmgr -r eBible.org > installmgr -ri eBible.org fraLSG1910eb > > If this did not work, double check if you have write permission in all the directory tree under your $SWORD_PATH directroy (i guess you have this permission ok otheryise no module would install though). > > > > On 13 June 2018 at 20:33, Michael Johnson > wrote: > > I'm looking for a pattern in what works and what doesn't. Here is the test: install a Bible unique to eBible.org. > > Front end > ? ? ? ? version > ? ? ? ? Sword version > ? ? ? ? OS > ? ? ? ? Result > Xiphos > ? ? ? ? 4.1.0 > ? ? ? ? 1.8.1 > ? ? ? ? Windows 10 > ? ? ? ? PASS > Xiphos > ? ? ? ? 4.0.7 > ? ? ? ? 1.7.3 > ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 18.04 > ? ? ? ? FAIL > Bibletime > ? ? ? ? 2.11.1 > ? ? ? ? 1.8.1 > ? ? ? ? Windows 10 > ? ? ? ? PASS > Bibletime > ? ? ? ? 2.11.1 > ? ? ? ? 1.7.3 > ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 18.04 > ? ? ? ? FAIL > Xiphos > ? ? ? ? 4.0.4 > ? ? ? ? 1.7.3 > ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 16.04 > ? ? ? ? PASS > Bibletime > ? ? ? ? 2.10.1 > ? ? ? ? 1.7.3 > ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 16.04 > ? ? ? ? FAIL > Bibletime > ? ? ? ? 2.11.1 > ? ? ? ? ? "About" blank > ? ? ? ? Mac OS 10.13.5 > ? ? ? ? PASS > > > It looks to me like the conditions for failure are running Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver OR running Bibletime 2.10.1. Presumably the latter problem can be safely ignored, since it appears to have been fixed in the current version. However, it seems to me to be worth investigating what it is about Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver that is causing a module manager failure in both Bibletime and Xiphos. Is it the older version of the Sword engine? If so, why does that version work on the previous LTS version of Ubuntu? > > This seems to be a worthy puzzle to solve. Ubuntu LTS releases are the ones supported by UBS and SIL for Bible translation use, and the Bible translations in the eBible.org repository are frequently used as reference works by Bible translators. Not only that, but for many end users, the only Bible in their own language is in the eBible.org repository. > > Any clues? > > On 06/13/2018 12:16 AM, Robert Hunt wrote: > > Seems I can't get either http nor ftp eBible repository on Xiphos 4.07 on Ubuntu Bionic. > > > > Robert. > > > > > > On 13/06/18 15:36, Michael Johnson wrote: > >> Yes, I refreshed the standard list of sources and manually refreshed eBible.org. I got a blank list. > >> > >> On 06/12/2018 05:14 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > >>> Did you go through the normal path of refreshing the standard list of sources? > >>> > >>> --Greg > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ???? I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system for someone, including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few Bible translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org repository. However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front ends. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about it, or is this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? > >>> > >>> ???? -- > >>> ???? signature > >>> > >>> ???? Aloha, > >>> ???? */Michael Johnson/** > >>> ???? PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA > >>> ???? mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule > >>> > >>> > >>> ???? _______________________________________________ > >>> ???? sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org

> > >>> ???? http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>> ???? Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > -- > signature > > Aloha, > */Michael Johnson/** > PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA > mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page -- signature Aloha, */Michael Johnson/** PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule From gary.holmlund at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 14:49:02 2018 From: gary.holmlund at gmail.com (Gary Holmlund) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:49:02 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: <749954f7-ce3c-55c4-cbf5-d4e18e9f838c@eBible.org> References:

<8bad51da-e577-caf3-8a78-53bddc5acfb0@eBible.org> <749954f7-ce3c-55c4-cbf5-d4e18e9f838c@eBible.org> Message-ID: ??? I will add this case: Bibletime ? ? ? ? 2.11.1 ? ? ? ? 1.8.1 ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 18.04 ? ? ? ? PASS Bibletime ? ? ? ? 2.11.1 ? ? ? ? 1.7.3 ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 18.04 ? ? ? ? Fails The pattern seems to be Sword 1.81 pass, Sword 1.7.3 fail. Based on how BibleTime failed, I would guess the issue is in Sword and how it handles languages that don't have a specific locales.d/*.conf file. Gary Holmlund On 06/13/2018 11:55 AM, Michael Johnson wrote: > Thank you, Pierre. > > The two installmgr commands you suggested worked on Ubuntu 18.04. Xiphos still failed. > > On 06/13/2018 08:47 AM, pierre amadio wrote: >> Hi there ! >> >> I do not have a Ubuntu 18.04 ready to try out, but you should be able to check wether the problem is within the sword library itself by trying to perform the same task with installmgr. >> >> installmgr -r eBible.org >> installmgr -ri eBible.org fraLSG1910eb >> >> If this did not work, double check if you have write permission in all the directory tree under your $SWORD_PATH directroy (i guess you have this permission ok otheryise no module would install though). >> >> >> >> On 13 June 2018 at 20:33, Michael Johnson > wrote: >> >> I'm looking for a pattern in what works and what doesn't. Here is the test: install a Bible unique to eBible.org. >> >> Front end >> ? ? ? ? version >> ? ? ? ? Sword version >> ? ? ? ? OS >> ? ? ? ? Result >> Xiphos >> ? ? ? ? 4.1.0 >> ? ? ? ? 1.8.1 >> ? ? ? ? Windows 10 >> ? ? ? ? PASS >> Xiphos >> ? ? ? ? 4.0.7 >> ? ? ? ? 1.7.3 >> ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 18.04 >> ? ? ? ? FAIL >> Bibletime >> ? ? ? ? 2.11.1 >> ? ? ? ? 1.8.1 >> ? ? ? ? Windows 10 >> ? ? ? ? PASS >> Bibletime >> ? ? ? ? 2.11.1 >> ? ? ? ? 1.7.3 >> ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 18.04 >> ? ? ? ? FAIL >> Xiphos >> ? ? ? ? 4.0.4 >> ? ? ? ? 1.7.3 >> ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 16.04 >> ? ? ? ? PASS >> Bibletime >> ? ? ? ? 2.10.1 >> ? ? ? ? 1.7.3 >> ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 16.04 >> ? ? ? ? FAIL >> Bibletime >> ? ? ? ? 2.11.1 >> ? ? ? ? ? "About" blank >> ? ? ? ? Mac OS 10.13.5 >> ? ? ? ? PASS >> >> >> It looks to me like the conditions for failure are running Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver OR running Bibletime 2.10.1. Presumably the latter problem can be safely ignored, since it appears to have been fixed in the current version. However, it seems to me to be worth investigating what it is about Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver that is causing a module manager failure in both Bibletime and Xiphos. Is it the older version of the Sword engine? If so, why does that version work on the previous LTS version of Ubuntu? >> >> This seems to be a worthy puzzle to solve. Ubuntu LTS releases are the ones supported by UBS and SIL for Bible translation use, and the Bible translations in the eBible.org repository are frequently used as reference works by Bible translators. Not only that, but for many end users, the only Bible in their own language is in the eBible.org repository. >> >> Any clues? >> >> On 06/13/2018 12:16 AM, Robert Hunt wrote: >> > Seems I can't get either http nor ftp eBible repository on Xiphos 4.07 on Ubuntu Bionic. >> > >> > Robert. >> > >> > >> > On 13/06/18 15:36, Michael Johnson wrote: >> >> Yes, I refreshed the standard list of sources and manually refreshed eBible.org. I got a blank list. >> >> >> >> On 06/12/2018 05:14 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: >> >>> Did you go through the normal path of refreshing the standard list of sources? >> >>> >> >>> --Greg >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ???? I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system for someone, including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few Bible translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org repository. However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front ends. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about it, or is this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? >> >>> >> >>> ???? -- >> >>> ???? signature >> >>> >> >>> ???? Aloha, >> >>> ???? */Michael Johnson/** >> >>> ???? PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA >> >>> ???? mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ???? _______________________________________________ >> >>> ???? sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org

> >> >>> ???? http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >>> ???? Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> >> -- >> signature >> >> Aloha, >> */Michael Johnson/** >> PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA >> mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > From cmahte at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 15:38:55 2018 From: cmahte at gmail.com (Michael H) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:38:55 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: References:

<8bad51da-e577-caf3-8a78-53bddc5acfb0@eBible.org> <749954f7-ce3c-55c4-cbf5-d4e18e9f838c@eBible.org> Message-ID: Kahunapule, I sent you an email about this about 9 months ago: The issue might be that all of the modules on ebible.org have a minimum requirement for sword 1.7.4 in place, regardless of actual module content vs. sword engine capabilities. (I did not validate ALL, but I have tested ~20 or so modules to import them into Bibletime.) You can make modules appear by manually adjusting the minimum sword requirement in the conf file. That's what I've been doing to get ebible texts into Bibletime 2.10. It appears that Xiphos and Bibletime are properly testing the module minimum requirements against the sword engine available to them. If a module has a need for a higher sword engine, it is being excluded from the list of available texts. Since no module on ebible has a minimum sword engine 1.7.3 or lower, none are available to Xiphos or Bibletime that use that engine. ... ----Snip--- [engKJV1769eb] Abbreviation=KJVD Description=King James Version + Apocrypha DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/engKJV1769eb/ ModDrv=zText . . . SwordVersionDate=2018-06-06 Version=26.4 History_26.4=Automatically generated on 2018-06-06 from source files dated 2017-12-21 by eBible.org (http://eBible.org) with funding through World Outreach Missions*MinimumVersion=1.7.4* Category=Biblical Texts LCSH=Bible. English. Lang=en InstallSize=4323176 OSISVersion=2.1.1 Copyright=PUBLIC DOMAIN CopyrightNotes=This work is not copyrighted. It is in the Public Domain. You may copy and publish this work freely, but you may not claim copyright on it. On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 4:49 PM, Gary Holmlund wrote: > I will add this case: > > Bibletime > 2.11.1 > 1.8.1 > Ubuntu 18.04 > PASS > > > Bibletime > 2.11.1 > 1.7.3 > Ubuntu 18.04 > Fails > > The pattern seems to be Sword 1.81 pass, Sword 1.7.3 fail. > > Based on how BibleTime failed, I would guess the issue is in Sword and how > it handles languages that don't have a specific locales.d/*.conf file. > > Gary Holmlund > > > > On 06/13/2018 11:55 AM, Michael Johnson wrote: > >> Thank you, Pierre. >> >> The two installmgr commands you suggested worked on Ubuntu 18.04. Xiphos >> still failed. >> >> On 06/13/2018 08:47 AM, pierre amadio wrote: >> >>> Hi there ! >>> >>> I do not have a Ubuntu 18.04 ready to try out, but you should be able to >>> check wether the problem is within the sword library itself by trying to >>> perform the same task with installmgr. >>> >>> installmgr -r eBible.org >>> installmgr -ri eBible.org fraLSG1910eb >>> >>> If this did not work, double check if you have write permission in all >>> the directory tree under your $SWORD_PATH directroy (i guess you have this >>> permission ok otheryise no module would install though). >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13 June 2018 at 20:33, Michael Johnson >> Michael at ebible.org>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm looking for a pattern in what works and what doesn't. Here is >>> the test: install a Bible unique to eBible.org. >>> >>> Front end >>> version >>> Sword version >>> OS >>> Result >>> Xiphos >>> 4.1.0 >>> 1.8.1 >>> Windows 10 >>> PASS >>> Xiphos >>> 4.0.7 >>> 1.7.3 >>> Ubuntu 18.04 >>> FAIL >>> Bibletime >>> 2.11.1 >>> 1.8.1 >>> Windows 10 >>> PASS >>> Bibletime >>> 2.11.1 >>> 1.7.3 >>> Ubuntu 18.04 >>> FAIL >>> Xiphos >>> 4.0.4 >>> 1.7.3 >>> Ubuntu 16.04 >>> PASS >>> Bibletime >>> 2.10.1 >>> 1.7.3 >>> Ubuntu 16.04 >>> FAIL >>> Bibletime >>> 2.11.1 >>> ? "About" blank >>> Mac OS 10.13.5 >>> PASS >>> >>> >>> It looks to me like the conditions for failure are running Ubuntu >>> 18.04 Bionic Beaver OR running Bibletime 2.10.1. Presumably the latter >>> problem can be safely ignored, since it appears to have been fixed in the >>> current version. However, it seems to me to be worth investigating what it >>> is about Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver that is causing a module manager >>> failure in both Bibletime and Xiphos. Is it the older version of the Sword >>> engine? If so, why does that version work on the previous LTS version of >>> Ubuntu? >>> >>> This seems to be a worthy puzzle to solve. Ubuntu LTS releases are >>> the ones supported by UBS and SIL for Bible translation use, and the Bible >>> translations in the eBible.org repository are frequently used as reference >>> works by Bible translators. Not only that, but for many end users, the only >>> Bible in their own language is in the eBible.org repository. >>> >>> Any clues? >>> >>> On 06/13/2018 12:16 AM, Robert Hunt wrote: >>> > Seems I can't get either http nor ftp eBible repository on Xiphos >>> 4.07 on Ubuntu Bionic. >>> > >>> > Robert. >>> > >>> > >>> > On 13/06/18 15:36, Michael Johnson wrote: >>> >> Yes, I refreshed the standard list of sources and manually >>> refreshed eBible.org. I got a blank list. >>> >> >>> >> On 06/12/2018 05:14 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: >>> >>> Did you go through the normal path of refreshing the standard >>> list of sources? >>> >>> >>> >>> --Greg >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson < >>> Kahunapule at ebible.org >> Kahunapule at ebible.org >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system >>> for someone, including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few >>> Bible translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org >>> repository. However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front >>> ends. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about >>> it, or is this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> signature >>> >>> >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> */Michael Johnson/** >>> >>> PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA >>> >>> mljohnson.org >>> ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? 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Message-ID: <158ae286-56b2-83be-c7e9-a502b7890f0a@kleinpaste.org> On 06/13/2018 06:38 PM, Michael H wrote: > Xiphos and Bibletime are properly testing the module minimum > requirements against the sword engine Xiphos' MinimumVersion support was added Aug 2017, released in 4.0.7, Sep 2017. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karl at kleinpaste.org Wed Jun 13 15:56:02 2018 From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:56:02 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: <158ae286-56b2-83be-c7e9-a502b7890f0a@kleinpaste.org> References:

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<158ae286-56b2-83be-c7e9-a502b7890f0a@kleinpaste.org> Message-ID: <404ea2fb-c1fa-587f-bc50-38b26c0ff3e5@kleinpaste.org> On 06/13/2018 06:49 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > Xiphos' MinimumVersion support was added Aug 2017, released in 4.0.7, > Sep 2017. BTW, this explains the variability of success from testing: Xiphos 4.1.0 1.8.1 Windows 10 PASS Xiphos 4.0.7 1.7.3 Ubuntu 18.04 FAIL Xiphos 4.0.4 1.7.3 Ubuntu 16.04 PASS 4.0.4 did not do MinimumVersion testing, so it accepts anything. 4.0.7 is where MinimumVersion support was released, so it refuses anything too "new." 4.1.0 needs Sword 1.8, so its Minimumversion testing is happy with anything needing 1.7.x. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcepl at cepl.eu Wed Jun 13 01:22:42 2018 From: mcepl at cepl.eu (=?UTF-8?Q?Mat=C4=9Bj?= Cepl) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:22:42 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] HTML mail [Was: Re: Introductory material in OSIS (osis2mod)] References: <5B1F0FCD.32617.33251028@john.dudeck.sim.org> Message-ID: On 2018-06-12, 00:11 GMT, John Dudeck wrote: > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page Please, do not post to any email list HTML emails. This is all I can see. Of course, you don't care about me (or about other readers? of this list), but this is also what you get in the official archive of this list https://www.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2018-June/045863.html (and subsequently this lovely reading https://www.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/attachments/20180611/a1b7227e/attachment.html ). This list should be in my opinion switched of to the plain text only long time ago (or rather it should be left in its default configuration; of course, authors of mailman don't know anything worthy about email lists), but the maintainer of the list doesn't mind if his own posts are sabotaged, so it is left misconfigured and you have to take your own precautions. This FAQ https://www.lifewire.com/plain-text-not-html-1173241 is probably rather outdated, but it should be generally useful. Blessings, Mat?j -- https://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, Jabber: mcepl at ceplovi.cz GPG Finger: 3C76 A027 CA45 AD70 98B5 BC1D 7920 5802 880B C9D8 La vita ? una combinazione di magia e pasta. -- Federico Fellini From manfred.bergmann at me.com Thu Jun 14 14:13:24 2018 From: manfred.bergmann at me.com (Manfred Bergmann) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 23:13:24 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Crash in VersificationMgr::System::getBookCount (SWORD 1.8.1) Message-ID: Hi. I?ve received one report where SWORD seems to crash on the above method for modules: - eBible.org/Biblical Texts/rusSYN1876eb (version 3.32) - IBT/Commentaries/BARC (version 1.0) - IBT/Commentaries/NGSB (version 1.0) I could reproduce that for rusSYN1876eb where in the code ?p? is NULL and hence the crash. Can that be reproduced in Xiphos or other frontends? Regards, Manfred From karl at kleinpaste.org Thu Jun 14 14:39:01 2018 From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 17:39:01 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Crash in VersificationMgr::System::getBookCount (SWORD 1.8.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72c04ede-f063-bd29-e160-cf75c5e231ab@kleinpaste.org> On 06/14/2018 05:13 PM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > Can that be reproduced in Xiphos or other frontends? No. Xiphos 4.1.0+ is happy with rusSYN1876eb. The method is in src/mgr/versificationmgr.cpp and is not used by Xiphos directly, and only by src/keys/versekey.cpp internally to Sword. If 'p' is the problem, I can't see how, as it is tested before use. int VersificationMgr::System::getBookCount() const { ??? return (int)(p ? p->books.size() : 0); } Current as of -r3586 just now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michael at eBible.org Thu Jun 14 17:59:05 2018 From: Michael at eBible.org (Michael Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:59:05 -1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Xiphos not seeing eBible.org repository? In-Reply-To: References:

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Message-ID: Thank you, Michael. Sorry I didn't act on your prior email. I get way too much email to properly deal with it all. Anyway, since front end developers are so slow to upgrade their sword engine use, I downgraded my module generation to specify a minimum sword version of 1.7.0. The downside of this is that any recently added versification options will be ignored, but of course, they are being ignored anyway until there is widespread adoption of the latest version of the sword engine. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen, since I, too, am one of the busy (with other things) volunteers. ;-) In the mean time, the immediate problem of the eBible.org repository being inaccessible on the front ends and platforms where it failed seems to be solved. On 06/13/2018 12:38 PM, Michael H wrote: > Kahunapule,? > > I sent you an email about this about 9 months ago:? > > The issue might be that all of the modules on ebible.org have a minimum requirement for sword 1.7.4 in place, regardless of actual module content vs. sword engine capabilities. (I did not validate ALL, but I have tested ~20 or so modules to import them into Bibletime.)? You can make modules appear by manually adjusting the minimum sword requirement in the conf file. That's what I've been doing to get ebible texts into Bibletime 2.10.? > > It appears that Xiphos and Bibletime are properly testing the module minimum requirements against the sword engine available to them. If a module has a need for a higher sword engine, it is being excluded from the list of available texts. Since no module on ebible has a minimum sword engine 1.7.3 or lower, none are available to Xiphos or Bibletime that use that engine.? > > ... > > ----Snip--- > [engKJV1769eb] > Abbreviation=KJVD > Description=King James Version + Apocrypha > DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/engKJV1769eb/ > ModDrv=zText > > . . . SwordVersionDate=2018-06-06 Version=26.4 History_26.4=Automatically generated on 2018-06-06 from source files dated 2017-12-21 by eBible.org (http://eBible.org) with funding through World Outreach Missions *MinimumVersion=1.7.4*Category=Biblical Texts LCSH=Bible. English. Lang=en InstallSize=4323176 OSISVersion=2.1.1 Copyright=PUBLIC DOMAIN CopyrightNotes=This work is not copyrighted. It is in the Public Domain. You may copy and publish this work freely, but you may not claim copyright on it. > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 4:49 PM, Gary Holmlund > wrote: > > ??? I will add this case: > > ? ? Bibletime > ? ? ? ? ? ? 2.11.1 > ? ? ? ? ? ? 1.8.1 > ? ? ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 18.04 > ? ? ? ? ? ? PASS > > > ? ? Bibletime > ? ? ? ? ? ? 2.11.1 > ? ? ? ? ? ? 1.7.3 > ? ? ? ? ? ? Ubuntu 18.04 > ? ? ? ? ? ? Fails > > The pattern seems to be Sword 1.81 pass, Sword 1.7.3 fail. > > Based on how BibleTime failed, I would guess the issue is in Sword and how it handles languages that don't have a specific locales.d/*.conf file. > > Gary Holmlund > > > > On 06/13/2018 11:55 AM, Michael Johnson wrote: > > Thank you, Pierre. > > The two installmgr commands you suggested worked on Ubuntu 18.04. Xiphos still failed. > > On 06/13/2018 08:47 AM, pierre amadio wrote: > > Hi there ! > > I do not have a Ubuntu 18.04 ready to try out, but you should be able to check wether the problem is within the sword library itself by trying to perform the same task with installmgr. > > installmgr -r eBible.org > installmgr -ri eBible.org fraLSG1910eb > > If this did not work, double check if you have write permission in all the directory tree under your $SWORD_PATH directroy (i guess you have this permission ok otheryise no module would install though). > > > > On 13 June 2018 at 20:33, Michael Johnson >> wrote: > > ? ? ?I'm looking for a pattern in what works and what doesn't. Here is the test: install a Bible unique to eBible.org. > > ? ? ?Front end > ? ? ?? ? ? ? version > ? ? ?? ? ? ? Sword version > ? ? ?? ? ? ? OS > ? ? ?? ? ? ? Result > ? ? ?Xiphos > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 4.1.0 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 1.8.1 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? Windows 10 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? PASS > ? ? ?Xiphos > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 4.0.7 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 1.7.3 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? Ubuntu 18.04 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? FAIL > ? ? ?Bibletime > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 2.11.1 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 1.8.1 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? Windows 10 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? PASS > ? ? ?Bibletime > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 2.11.1 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 1.7.3 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? Ubuntu 18.04 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? FAIL > ? ? ?Xiphos > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 4.0.4 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 1.7.3 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? Ubuntu 16.04 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? PASS > ? ? ?Bibletime > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 2.10.1 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 1.7.3 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? Ubuntu 16.04 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? FAIL > ? ? ?Bibletime > ? ? ?? ? ? ? 2.11.1 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? "About" blank > ? ? ?? ? ? ? Mac OS 10.13.5 > ? ? ?? ? ? ? PASS > > > ? ? ?It looks to me like the conditions for failure are running Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver OR running Bibletime 2.10.1. Presumably the latter problem can be safely ignored, since it appears to have been fixed in the current version. However, it seems to me to be worth investigating what it is about Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver that is causing a module manager failure in both Bibletime and Xiphos. Is it the older version of the Sword engine? If so, why does that version work on the previous LTS > version of Ubuntu? > > ? ? ?This seems to be a worthy puzzle to solve. Ubuntu LTS releases are the ones supported by UBS and SIL for Bible translation use, and the Bible translations in the eBible.org repository are frequently used as reference works by Bible translators. Not only that, but for many end users, the only Bible in their own language is in the eBible.org repository. > > ? ? ?Any clues? > > ? ? ?On 06/13/2018 12:16 AM, Robert Hunt wrote: > ? ? ?> Seems I can't get either http nor ftp eBible repository on Xiphos 4.07 on Ubuntu Bionic. > ? ? ?> > ? ? ?> Robert. > ? ? ?> > ? ? ?> > ? ? ?> On 13/06/18 15:36, Michael Johnson wrote: > ? ? ?>> Yes, I refreshed the standard list of sources and manually refreshed eBible.org. I got a blank list. > ? ? ?>> > ? ? ?>> On 06/12/2018 05:14 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > ? ? ?>>> Did you go through the normal path of refreshing the standard list of sources? > ? ? ?>>> > ? ? ?>>> --Greg > ? ? ?>>> > ? ? ?>>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:03 PM Kahunapule Michael Johnson > >>> wrote: > ? ? ?>>> > ? ? ?>>> ???? I just set up a new Linux (Ubuntu Bionic Beaver) system for someone, including an install of Xiphos. When trying to preload a few Bible translations, I noticed that Xiphos couldn't see the eBible.org repository. However, I can see and use it just fine from some other front ends. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there anything I can do about it, or is this something that needs to be fixed in Xiphos? > ? ? ?>>> > ? ? ?>>> ???? -- > ? ? ?>>> ???? signature > ? ? ?>>> > ? ? ?>>> ???? Aloha, > ? ? ?>>> ???? */Michael Johnson/** > ? ? ?>>> ???? PO BOX 881143 ? PUKALANI HI 96788-1143*? USA > ? ? ?>>> ???? mljohnson.org ? Phone: +1 808-333-6921 ? Skype: kahunapule > ? ? ?>>> > ? ? ?>>> > ? ? ?>>> ???? _______________________________________________ > ? ? ?>>> ???? sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel at crosswire.org

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