[sword-devel] OSISqToTick=false

[Michael Johnson]

Thank you for the correction, Troy. :-)
I would not and do not use the OSIS "feature" to generate quotation punctuation from the <q> marker, either. Nor do I know any Bible translators who would. And I know many Bible translators. That is why every OSIS file I generate uses <q who="Jesus" marker=""> as the only <q> marker, and then only to mark direct quotations of Jesus Christ. This is what I translate the USFM \wj to. Because \wj markup starts and stops with every verse, while quotations often span multiple verses, this is not an exact
equivalent, but it works well enough only because punctuation isn't being generated from the <q> marker.

I'm pretty sure that there is no such thing as a programmer on this planet who could correctly generate punctuation for every language and style from «<q>» markup. Nobody has that much knowledge of that many languages. Thus OSISqToTick should not only default to false, SWORD should probably just issue a warning and ignore the setting if it is set to anything else.

On 05/24/2017 04:43 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> correction:
>
> -  it should be used in place of the language quotation marker.
>
> + it shouldn't be used in place of the language quotation marker.
> + though, of course that is what <q marker="c"/> is for; however, I
> wouldn't use it.
>
>
> On 05/24/2017 07:32 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>> I am not sure who decided that OSISqToTick is deprecated.
>>
>> As a matter of principle, I don't think <q> should ever produce
>> punctuation marks and I would always set it to false in a module I produce.
>>
>> The idea is that, conceptually, no other punctuation mark in a module is
>> produced from a tag.  Marking quotations for a language (even English)
>> varies dramatically and is not always at the start and end of a quotation.
>>
>> Let the author use punctuation however they expect the punctuation for
>> the language to appear (just like question mark, exclamation mark,
>> etc.).  Tags are there not to add actual content to the text, but merely
>> meta information.  <q> might be added to specify 'who' was speaking, but
>> it should be used in place of the language quotation marker.
>>
>> Troy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/24/2017 06:24 PM, DM Smith wrote:
>>> Your advice is appropriate for OSIS modules that are properly marked up.
>>>
>>> It is deprecated because the SWORD engine now uses the marker attribute on the q element to display the quotation mark. If that is not present, the SWORD engine will generate a quotation mark.
>>>
>>> A module that marks up the words of Christ, that doesn’t want quotation marks, must either use marker=“” or OSISqToTick to suppress the generation of quotation marks.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 24, 2017, at 9:20 AM, David Haslam <dfhmch at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The configuration key *OSISqToTick* is deprecated.
>>>>
>>>> Whenever the modules team updates a module, please ensure that such a key is
>>>> removed if previously present.
>>>>
>>>> I imagine a check for this could be readily included in the automation
>>>> script.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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