[sword-devel] More French questions

David Haslam dfhdfh at protonmail.com
Fri Dec 22 06:56:55 MST 2017


Just commenting on one of the questions that came up in the thread.

Any such BHS module would require Versification=MT.  The book order matches that of the MT.
Several Hebrew OT modules do not follow the MT book order.

Best regards,

David

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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] More French questions
> Local Time: 21 December 2017 11:11 PM
> UTC Time: 21 December 2017 23:11
> From: john.dudeck at sim.org
> To: sword-devel at crosswire.org
>
> Dominique,
>
> Thanks for your response!
>
>> Dear John,
>>
>> I'm the author of the French versifications sheme, I'll do my best to to answer your questions.
>>
>> There are actually 3 French versification schemes available in Sword/JSword:
>>  - Calvin      (Bibles de Genève, Martin, Ostervald...)
>>  - DarbyFr     (Bible Darby)
>>  - Segond      (Bibles Segond)
>
> I created the Logos verse map for DarbyFR. It would be interesting to see how well ours agree :^)
>
> Do you know if Calvin is close to BHS - Bible Hebraic Stuttgartensia (or something like that)?
>
>> This a fresh addition, so you'll need to work with Sword >= 1.7.903.
>
> Ok. I've still got to find where to get it...
>
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 17:45:38 -0500
>> "John Dudeck" <john.dudeck at sim.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I am working on several commentaries in French for use specifically with AndBible. So far they seem to be working more or less.
>> >
>> > I am trying to figure out the correct way to set up French versification. Supposedly Jsword supports the French versifications, but I can't find any documentation on what they are. Do I need to pull the SVN and decipher the source code?
>>
>> No you don't, but if you want to, the v11n are described in include/canon_*.h files.
>> The French v11n are named canon_calvin.h, canon_darby.h, canon_segond.h.
>>
>> There is a small section on the wiki about the French versifications:
>> https://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Survey_of_versification_schemes_in_French_Bibles
>>
>>
>> > I have several commentaries based on the Louis Segond (LSG) versification.
>> > 1) do I need to put something in the OSIS tagging to indicate this?
>>
>> I don't think so. I don't do it. Please note that I'm not an expert in OSIS markup:)
>>
>>
>> > 2) what -v11n flag should I use for osis2mod.exe? Will that even work, considering the 1.7 version doesn't support French versifications?
>>
>> osismod.exe (>= 1.7.903) supports -v11n Calvin|DarbyFr|Segond
>>
>>
>> > 3) what Versification= should I put in mods.d/module.conf?
>>
>> You should put (case-sensitive):
>> Versification=Segond
>>
>>
>> > I have one commentary that is based on the Colombe Bible, aka Segond Revisée (SER). It has a lot of differences from KJV, LSG, DarbyFR, or Calvin. When I try to compile it with osis2mod, the linking hangs in the book of Joel, and I don't know if it is a problem with my annotateRef tagging or a problem with osis2mod not knowing what to do with the versification.
>>
>> The following wiki page lists the differences between the KJV and the Segond.
>> https://www.crosswire.org/wiki/V11n-fr-Segond
>
>> Although there are a lot differences mainly in Job, Psalms..., there
>> are none in the book of Joel. I guess there is maybe something wrong
>> in your encoding, not specifically the annotateref tag.
>
> But the Colombe is different in the book of Joel... it follows the BHS and has 4 chapters.
>
> I haven't yet pulled the canon_*.h files to see what is in them. Will do that soon.
>
> Below is an analysis of the Colombe versification compared to KJV and LSG. As you can see, the Colombe is different from everything else. It is a very popular translation. The French version of the Africa Bible Commentary uses Colombe. Colombe does not have apocrypha as far as I know.
>
>> Hoping that it will help you
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Dominique Corbex
>> --
>> <dominique at corbex.org>
>
> ==============================================================================================
> SER (Segond Révisée aka Colombe) versification & differences from KJV & LSG
>
> Please excuse the odd formatting -- the xml lines are excerpted from the Logos verse maps.
>
> In the following chart, the "alias" lines indicate which standard versification is used
> for that book. These may be BHS, NRSV, or LSG (Louis Segond).
>
> The expanded sections indicate differences between the KJV, LSG and SER. Any parts that
> do not have an expanded section are identical to both KJV and LSG.
>
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Genesis" />
>
>                        Exodus
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Ex 8.1                                    Ex 7.26                                             Ex 7.26 (LSG)
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Ex 8.4                                    Ex 7.29                                             Ex 7.29
>                        Ex 8.5                                    Ex 8.1                                               Ex 8.1
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Ex 8.32                                  Ex 8.28                                             Ex 8.28
>
>                        Ex 22.1                                  Ex 22.1                                             Ex 21.37 (LXX, BHS)
>                        Ex 22.2                                  Ex 22.2                                             Ex 22.1
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Ex 22.31                                Ex 22.31                                            Ex 22.30
>
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Leviticus" />
>
>                        Numbers
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        No 16.36                                No 16.36                                           No 17.1 (BHS)
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        No 16.50                                No 16.50                                           No 17.15
>                        No 17.1                                  No 17.1                                             No 17.16
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        No 7.13                                  No 17.13                                           No 17.28
>
>                        No 26.1                                  No 26.1                                             No 25.19-26.1 (BHS)
>
>                        No 29.40                                No 30.1                                             No 30.1 (LSG)
>                        No 30.1                                  No 30.2                                             No 30.2
>                        No 30.16                                No 30.17                                           No 30.17
>
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Deuteronomy" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Joshua" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Judges" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Ruth" />
>
>                        1 Samuel
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        1S 20.42a                              1S 20.42                                            1S 20.42 (BHS)
>                        1S 20.42b                              1S 20.43                                            1S 21.1
>                        1S 21.1                                  1S 21.1                                             1S 21.2
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        1S 21.15                                1S 21.15                                            1S 21.16
>
>                        1S 23.29                                1S 24.1                                             1S 24.1 (LSG, VUL)
>                        1S 24.1                                  1S 24.2                                             1S 24.2
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        1S 24.22                                1S 24.23                                            1S 24.23
>
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="2_Samuel" />
>
>                        1 Kings (=1R)
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        1R 4.21                                  1R 4.21                                             1R 5.1 (BHS)
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        1R 4.34                                  1R 4.34                                             1R 5.14
>                        1R 5.1                                    1.R 5.1                                              1R 5.15
>                        1R 5.18                                  1R 5.18                                             1R 5.32
>
>                        1R 22.43a                              1R 22.43                                           1R 22.43 (LSG, VUL)
>                        1R 22.43b                              1R 22.44                                           1R 22.44
>                        1R 22.44                                1R 22.45                                           1R 22.45
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        1R 22.53                                1R 22.54                                           1R 22.54
>
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="2_Kings" />
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="1_Chronicles" />
>
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="2_Chronicles" />
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        2Chr 2.1                                 2Chr 2.1                                            2Chr 1.18 (BHS)
>                        2Chr 2.2                                 2Chr 2.2                                            2Chr 2.1
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        2Chr 2.18                               2Chr 2.18                                          2Chr 2.17
>
>                        2Chr 14.1                               2Chr 13.23                                        2Chr 12.23
>                        2Chr 14.2                               2Chr 14.1                                          2Chr 14.1
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        2Chr 14.15                             2Chr 14.14                                        2Chr 14.14
>
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Ezra" />
>
>                        Nehemia
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Né 4.1                                    Né 4.1                                               Né 3.33 (BHS)
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Né 4.6                                    Né 4.6                                               Né 3.38
>                        Né 4.7                                    Né 4.7                                               Né 4.1
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Né 4.23                                  Né 4.23                                             Né 4.17
>
>                        Né 7.67                                  Né 7.67                                             Né 7.67a (BHS)
>                        Né 7.68                                  Né 7.68                                             Né 7.67b
>                        Né 7.69                                  Né 7.69                                             Né 7.68
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Né 7.73a                                Né 7.73a                                           Né 7.72
>                        Né 7.73b                                Né 7.73b                                           Né 8.1a (VUL for 8.1 only)
>                        Né 8.1                                    Né 8.1                                               Né 8.1b
>
>                        Né 9.38                                  Né 9.38                                             Né 10.1 (BHS)
>                        Né 10.1                                  Né 10.1                                             Né 10.2
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Né 10.39                                Né 10.39                                           Né 10.40
>
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Esther" />
>
>                        Job
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Jb 38.39                                 Jb 39.1 (SVV)                                    Jb 38.39 (KJV)
>                        Jb 38.40                                 Jb 39.2                                              Jb 38.40
>                        Jb 38.41                                 Jb 39.3                                              Jb 38.41
>                        Jb 39.1                                   Jb 39.4                                              Jb 39.1
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Jb 39.30                                 Jb 39.33                                            Jb 39.30
>                        Jb 40.1                                   Jb 39.34                                            Jb 40.1
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Jb 40.5                                   Jb 39.38                                            Jb 40.5
>                        Jb 40.6                                   Jb 40.1                                              Jb 40.6
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Jb 40.24                                 Jb 40.19                                            Jb 40.24
>                        Jb 41.1                                   Jb 40.20                                            Jb 40.25 (BHS)
>                        Jb 41.8                                   Jb 40.27                                            Jb 40.32
>                        Jb 41.9                                   Jb 40.28                                            Jb 41.1
>                        Jb 41.10                                 Jb 41.1                                              Jb 41.2
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Jb 41.34                                 Jb 41.25                                            Jb 41.26
>
>                        <alias versemap="LSG" name="Psalms" />
>
>                        Proverbs
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Pr 24.33                                 Pr 24.33                                            Pr 24.33a (custom)
>                        Pr 24.34                                 Pr 24.34                                            Pr 24.33b
>
>                        <alias versemap="BHS, KJV" name="Ecclesiastes" />
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Ec 11.9                                  Ec 12.1                                              Ec 11.9 (BHS, KJV)
>                        Ec 11.10                                Ec 12.2                                              Ec 11.10
>                        Ec 12.1                                  Ec 12.3                                              Ec 12.1
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Ec 12.8                                  Ec 12.10                                            Ec.12.8
>
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Song_of_Songs" />
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Isaiah" />
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Jeremiah" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Lamentations" />
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Ezekiel" />
>
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Daniel" />
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Dan 4.1                                  Dan 4.1                                             Dan 3.31 (BHS)
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Dan 4.3                                  Dan 4.3                                             Dan 3.33
>                        Dan 4.4                                  Dan 4.4                                             Dan 4.1
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Dan 4.37                                Dan 4.37                                           Dan 4.34
>
>                        Dan 5.31                                Dan 5.31                                           Dan 6.1
>                        Dan 6.1                                  Dan 6.1                                             Dan 6.2
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Dan  6.28                               Dan 6.28                                           Dan 6.29
>
>                        Osée (Hosea)
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Os 1.10                                  Os 2.1                                               Os 2.1 (LSG)
>                        Os 1.11                                  Os 2.2                                               Os 2.2
>                        Os 2.1                                    Os 2.3                                               Os 2.3
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Os 2.23                                  Os 2.25                                             Os 2.25
>
>                        Os 11.12                                Os 12.1                                             Os 12.1 (LSG)
>                        Os 12.1                                  Os 12.2                                             Os 12.2
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Os 12.14                                Os 12.15                                           Os 12.15
>
>                        Os 13.16                                Os 13.16                                           Os 14.1 (BHS)
>                        Os 14.1                                  Os 14.1                                             Os 14.2
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Os 14.9                                  Os 14.9                                             Os 14.10
>
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Joel" />
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Joel 2.28                                Joel 2.28                                           Joel 3.1 (BHS)
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Joel 2.32                                Joel 2.32                                           Joel 3.5
>                        Joel 3.1                                  Joel 3.1                                             Joel 4.1
>                        :                                            :                                                        :
>                        Joel 3.21                                Joel 3.21                                           Joel 4.21
>
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Amos" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Obadiah" />
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Jonah" />
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Micah" />
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Nahum" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Habakkuk" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Zephaniah" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Haggai" />
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Zechariah" />
>                        <alias versemap="BHS" name="Malachi" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Matthew" />
>
>                        Marc
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Mr 1.44a                                Mr 1.44a                                            Mr 1.44 (custom)
>                        Mr 1.44b                                Mr 1.44b                                            Mr 1.45
>                        Mr 1.45                                  Mr 1.45                                              Mr 1.46
>
>                        Mr 9.50                                  Mr 9.50-51                                         Mr 9.50-51 (LSG)
>
>                        Mr 10.52                                Mr 10.52-53                                       Mr 10.52 (KJV, NRSV)
>
>                        <versemap="NRSV" name="Luke" />
>
>                        Jean
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Jn 10.41                                 Jn 10.41                                            Jn 10.41a (custom)
>                        Jn 10.42                                 Jn 10.42                                            Jn 10.41b
>
>                        Actes
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        Ac 7.59                                  Ac 7.59                                              Ac 7.59a (custom)
>                        Ac 7.60                                  Ac 7.60                                              Ac 7.59b
>
>                        Ac 19.40                                Ac 19.40a                                          Ac 19.40a (NA27)
>                        Ac 19.41                                Ac 19.40b                                          Ac 19.40b
>
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Romans" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="1_Corinthians" />
>
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="2_Corinthians" />
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        2Cor 13.12                             2Cor 13.12a                                       2Cor 13.12a (NRSV)
>                        2Cor 13.13                             2Cor 13.12b                                       2Cor 13.12b
>                        2Cor 13.14                             2Cor 13.13                                        2Cor 13.13
>
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Galatians" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Ephesians" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Philippians" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Colossians" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="1_Thessalonians" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="2_Thessalonians" />
>
>                        1 Timothée
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        1 Ti 6.2a                                1 Ti 6.2a                                            1 Ti 6.2 (custom)
>                        1 Ti 6.2b                                1 Ti 6.3b                                            1 Ti 6.3a
>                        1 Ti 6.3                                  1 Ti 6.3                                              1 Ti 6.3b
>
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="2_Timothy" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Titus" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Philemon" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Hebrews" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="James" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="1_Peter" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="2_Peter" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="1_John" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="2_John" />
>
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="3_John" />
>                        KJV                                       LSG                                                  SER
>                        3Jn 14a                                  3Jn 14                                               3Jn 14 (LSG, NRSV)
>                        3Jn 14b                                  3Jn 15                                               3Jn 15
>
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Jude" />
>                        <alias versemap="NRSV" name="Revelation" />
> ==============================================================================================
>
> John Dudeck
> Programmer at Editions Cle                             Lyon, France
> john.dudeck at sim.org                            john at editionscle.com
> --
> "Tanzanian sign language for _coffee_ and _crucify_ are similar. "What did
>  the crowd shout to Pilate?" a consultant asked. "I think they wanted
>  coffee," one deaf person ventured. Does that help you pray for accuracy
>  and clarity in translation?
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