[sword-devel] Deuterocanonical books / Apocrypha

[Chris Burrell]

+1. Regardless of your view of deutetocanonical books, they can be useful
for studying for all alike.  It could be used for example for the context
of the use of a particular word which will help define it better.
On 31 Jan 2014 23:23, "DM Smith" <dmsmith at crosswire.org> wrote:

> I'll add that there are several views regarding the deuterocanonical
> material:
> Two are stated earlier in the thread: Part of the Bible and Not part of
> the Bible.
> I'd give a third: Useful for scholarship.
>
> Greg has stated well what the theological position of
>
> The core libraries SWORD and JSword both support av11n fully including
> deuterocanonical material.
>
> Some frontends lag in av11n support.
>
> AndBible has full support for av11n. With in the defined av11n, the
> developer of AndBible has deliberately supported the 66 books of the
> protestant canon and deliberately left out deuterocanonical books. As
> noted, by Peter it is a small change in the program to change the support.
>
> I'd suggest that AndBible have a flag to show/hide the material.
>
> When I go to a book store, I get to choose which Bibles I buy. I think the
> same should be true w/ our Bible programs.
>
> In Him,
> DM
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Matěj Cepl <mcepl at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As a reaction on complains of some Czech Catholics that And Bible
>> doesn’t support reading of deuterocanonical books (and Czech Bible
>> modules don’t contain them at all even for translations which have them,
>> i.e. CzeCEP) I have started to look into it and found
>> http://code.google.com/p/and-bible/wiki/AlternateVersification
>>
>> I am not sure whether the author of And Bible doesn’t mix together two
>> things ... after all the current And Bible does support av11n, doesn’t
>> it?
>>
>
> Don't let av11n - support for which is purely a technical feat - conflate
> with the theological position of the AndBible author expressed in that wiki
> page. He's not saying his application supports or doesn't support non-KJV
> versification. He's only saying he refuses to display text that he has
> claimed is "uninspired". Specifically he is referring to the apocrypha.
> It's entirely possible for him to support NRSV, Masoretic Text, etc
> versifications and still hide certain books. For instance I would easily
> write an application that uses the Sword library and could display the
> current KJV without displaying any of the Old Testament if I held the
> opinion that such text was irrelevant or uninspired (I do not).
>
> I believe And Bible uses JSword, which had lagging av11n support for a
> long time. I don't recall any longer if it has added support for that
> already or not. You'd need to check either with the AndBible developer or
> try to load a text that uses a non-KJV system and see if it is supported to
> find out if AndBible support the av11n technology.
>
>
>>
>> What is the “official” (or as official as possible) position of the
>> Sword project on deuterocanonical books / apocrypha? Do other front-ends
>> support them? Do we have some Catholic Bibles which would contain them?
>> How much this depends on the module themselves ... i.e., could it be
>> possible just by using some other versification create fully Catholic
>> Bible, i.e., with deuterocanonical texts meshed into the canonical text?
>>
>
> CrossWire and Sword have tried to stay as theologically neutral as we
> could without compromising a core Christian theology. On our website you'll
> see we even support two modules whose veracity and scholarship are widely
> panned: http://crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Cults. By
> adding support for av11n CrossWire has made a commitment to not exclude the
> theological positions of the Catholic and Orthodox churches who do feel the
> apocryphal books are inspired. I'm unaware of any desire for additional
> deuterocanonical works or even more expansive canons presently, though this
> is likely due only to a lack of material (although ones like the Ethiopian
> canon have been brought up in discussions regarding av11n, I'm unaware of
> any Sword versifications or modules that include such works at this time).
> Chris Little only adds versifications to Sword when material is made
> available that requires one, and does not do so preemptively under the
> pretense of, "It might be useful some day."
>
> My understanding is that CrossWire desires to take an inclusive approach
> to groups whose theological positions might differ. That AndBible has
> chosen to snub and insult the majority of Christians by calling these texts
> "uninspired" is sad. However, inclusion of apocryphal material in an
> appendix rather than in its location within the Catholic or Orthodox canon
> is not unprecedented. The first two Bibles I ever held that included such
> material included it as an appendix to the Old Testament before the text of
> the New. These, however, were decidedly Protestant editions of the text and
> this reflected the theological position of the editors. I hope that
> AndBible will support the more inclusive canons in the future without
> pejorative language such as is found on that page.
>
> --Greg
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