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permission had already been obtained to distribute (and redistribute) ISV
and any additional revisions.
~A
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:
> Come now Peter, don't be so quick to find fault.
>
> The Crosswire repository currently contains version 1.5 of the ISV
> module. Nic's question was asking about the inclusion of the OT in that
> module. The Crosswire site doesn't say anything about the status of this
> module, and Nic's question seems to suggest he was not aware Crosswire was
> prohibited from distributed a later versions of this module. His comment
> was specifically asking about the ISV with OT included suggesting this was
> already direction that was being pursued.
>
> I was trying to extend an offer to help (as a volunteer). I certainly
> wasn't aware that permission hadn't been obtained to distribute the ISV
> with the OT, and the fact the ISV is already distributed with the NT
> suggests (perhaps incorrectly) that permission has been already obtained.
> Once Chris made it known that Crosswire has no such permission to
> distribute newer versions of the ISV I did exactly as Chris asked. So what
> infraction have I committed now?
>
> Respectfully, if every time a newcomer or volunteer's offer is met with
> criticism or controversy the treatment of newcomers and volunteers in this
> group is going to appear somewhat suspect and unwelcoming. It's a very
> good way to drive people away from a project. If my lack of awareness of
> this prohibition on the ISV is why you're asking me to leave - that says
> much about this community.
>
> Now that I know Crosswire doesn't have permission to distribute versions
> of the ISV other than the one currently in the repository, I'll respect
> that. If others feel as you do, that outside contributions are unwelcome
> here - I will kick the sand from my sandals and leave
>
> ~A
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:20 PM, refdoc at gmx.net <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Andrew, this is now quite enough. Please desist posting further onto our
>> list. Your presence is undesired
>>
>> Sent from my HTC
>>
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Andrew Thule" <thulester at gmail.com>
>> To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>> Subject: [sword-devel] ISV status?
>> Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 18:53
>>
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> I made it available here only in response to this request ..
>>
>> ~A
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Chris Little <chrislit at crosswire.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew, this document is copyrighted. We do not have permission to
>>> distribute it. You certainly and absolutely do not have permission to
>>> distribute it, much less to distribute it and claim that we have permission
>>> to distribute it.
>>>
>>> Remove it immediately.
>>>
>>> --Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/3/2013 9:37 AM, Andrew Thule wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe there's an OSIS file that contains both testaments ... I can
>>>> forward it if it helps this effort.
>>>>
>>>> There are least two versification problems (I haven't bothered to
>>>> address yet)
>>>> INFO(V11N): 1Sam.11 is not in the KJV versification. Appending content
>>>> to 1Sam.10.27
>>>> INFO(V11N): Rev.13 is not in the KJV versification. Appending content to
>>>> Rev.12.17
>>>>
>>>> I've placed a mod based on this OSIS file in my repo if anyone
>>>> interested:
>>>> Repository: 1XO
>>>> Host: ftp.1xo.net <http://ftp.1xo.net>
>>>>
>>>> /1xo/pub/sword/betaraw
>>>>
>>>> ~A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Nic Carter <niccarter at mac.com
>>>> <mailto:niccarter at mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Team :)
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering where we were at with updating the ISV to include
>>>> both the OT & NT?
>>>> There was some chatter here about a year ago about it, but it
>>>> sounded yuck, given we needed to convert the text from a Word
>>>> document... :/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, ybic
>>>> nic... :)
>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>I should add that prior to doing anything I did =
check the isv.conf file which says this:<br>DistributionLicense=3DCopyright=
ed; Permission to distribute granted to CrossWire<br><br><br></div>From .co=
nf file at least, any reasonable person would conclude that permission had =
already been obtained to distribute (and redistribute) ISV and any addition=
al revisions.<br>
<br></div>~A<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Andrew Thule <span dir=3D"ltr"><=
;<a href=3D"mailto:thulester at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">thulester at gmail.c=
om</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Come no=
w Peter, don't be so quick to find fault.<br><br></div><div>The Crosswi=
re repository currently contains version 1.5 of the ISV module.=A0 Nic'=
s question was asking about the inclusion of the OT in that module.=A0 The =
Crosswire site doesn't say anything about the status of this module, an=
d Nic's question seems to suggest he was not aware Crosswire was prohib=
ited from distributed a later versions of this module.=A0 His comment was s=
pecifically asking about the ISV with OT included suggesting this was alrea=
dy=A0 direction that was being pursued.<br>
<br>I was trying to extend an offer to help (as a volunteer).=A0 I certainl=
y wasn't aware that permission hadn't been obtained to distribute t=
he ISV with the OT, and the fact the ISV is already distributed with the NT=
suggests (perhaps incorrectly) that permission has been already obtained.=
=A0 Once Chris made it known that Crosswire has no such permission to distr=
ibute newer versions of the ISV I did exactly as Chris asked.=A0 So what i=
nfraction have I committed now?<br>
<br></div><div>Respectfully, if every time a newcomer or volunteer's of=
fer is met with criticism or controversy the treatment of newcomers and vol=
unteers in this group is going to appear somewhat suspect and unwelcoming.=
=A0 It's a very good way to drive people away from a project.=A0 If my =
lack of awareness of this prohibition on the ISV is why you're asking m=
e to leave - that says much about this community.<br>
</div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>Now that I know Cros=
swire doesn't have permission to distribute versions
of the ISV other than the one currently in the repository, I'll respec=
t
that.=A0 If others feel as you do, that outside contributions are unwelcom=
e here - I will kick the sand from my sandals and leave<span class=3D"HOEnZ=
b"><font color=3D"#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZ=
b"><font color=3D"#888888"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">
~A<br></div></font></span><div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:20 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:refdoc at gmx.net" target=3D=
"_blank">refdoc at gmx.net</a> <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:refdoc@=
gmx.net" target=3D"_blank">refdoc at gmx.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial">Andrew, this is now quite enough. Please =
desist posting further onto our list. Your presence is undesired<br><br>Sen=
t from my HTC<div><div><br><br><div>----- Reply message -----<br>
From: "Andrew Thule" <<a href=3D"mailto:thulester at gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">thulester at gmail.com</a>><br>To: "SWORD Developers&=
#39; Collaboration Forum" <<a href=3D"mailto:sword-devel at crosswire.=
org" target=3D"_blank">sword-devel at crosswire.org</a>><br>
Subject: [sword-devel] ISV status?<br>Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 18:53<br><br><=
/div></div></div></span><div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Done.<br><br></=
div><div>I made it available here only in response to this request ..<br>
<br></div><div>~A<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Chris Little <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:chrislit at crosswire.org" target=3D"_blank">ch=
rislit at crosswire.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Andrew, this document is =
copyrighted. We do not have permission to distribute it. You certainly and =
absolutely do not have permission to distribute it, much less to distribute=
it and claim that we have permission to distribute it.<br>
<br>
Remove it immediately.<br>
<br>
--Chris<div><br>
<br>
<br>
On 1/3/2013 9:37 AM, Andrew Thule wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
I believe there's an OSIS file that contains both testaments ... I can<=
br>
forward it if it helps this effort.<br>
<br>
There are least two versification problems (I haven't bothered to<br>
address yet)<br>
INFO(V11N): 1Sam.11 is not in the KJV versification. Appending content<br>
to 1Sam.10.27<br>
INFO(V11N): Rev.13 is not in the KJV versification. Appending content to<br=
>
Rev.12.17<br>
<br>
I've placed a mod based on this OSIS file in my repo if anyone interest=
ed:<br>
Repository: 1XO<br></div>
Host: <a href=3D"http://ftp.1xo.net" target=3D"_blank">ftp.1xo.net</a> <=
<a href=3D"http://ftp.1xo.net" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.1xo.net</a>>=
<div><br>
/1xo/pub/sword/betaraw<br>
<br>
~A<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Nic Carter <<a href=3D"mailto:niccarter@=
mac.com" target=3D"_blank">niccarter at mac.com</a><br></div><div>
<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:niccarter at mac.com" target=3D"_blank">niccarter=
@mac.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 Hi Team :)<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 I was wondering where we were at with updating the ISV to include<b=
r>
=A0 =A0 both the OT & NT?<br>
=A0 =A0 There was some chatter here about a year ago about it, but it<br>
=A0 =A0 sounded yuck, given we needed to convert the text from a Word<br>
=A0 =A0 document... =A0:/<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 Thanks, ybic<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0nic... =A0:)<br>
<br>
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