[sword-devel] lemma systems

[Daniel Owens]

On 04/30/2012 12:03 PM, Chris Little wrote:
> On 04/30/2012 06:47 AM, Daniel Owens wrote:
>> The related discussion about TEI markup and lexicon keys raises another
>> issue: lemma systems.
>>
>> Currently the only defined lemma system is "strong". It is easy to
>> connect to, but we need to move beyond it. I have several questions: 1.
>> Should we define new lemma systems? 2. How can we make such lemma
>> systems interoperable, at least in a fuzzy way?
>
> We have two or three other systems of lemmata defined for Greek. None 
> for Hebrew, that I recall.
>
>> 1. Should we define new lemma systems?
>>
>> The MorphGNT based on the SBL GNT (I have a module created from James
>> Tauber's Github repository last week) uses Greek lemma. The Westminster
>> Hebrew Morphology uses its own lemma in Hebrew. Should we define new
>> lemma systems such as: mgntlemma and whmlemma?
>
> MorphGNT isn't a lemmatization system, so no, we should not define 
> mgntlemma. It employs two or three other lemmatization systems, but 
> James Tauber never replied when I asked him to identify them over a 
> year ago.
>
> WHMLemma might be worthwhile on some level, as it does define a 
> lemmatization system.
>
>> A practical issue arises with whmlemma: Aramaic and Hebrew use the same
>> script. Currently lemma begin with @ for Hebrew and % for Aramaic.
>> Should we retain those or go with H for Hebrew and A for Aramaic?
>> Currently with Strongs there is no need for this difference because the
>> numbers distinguish the language, but when natural language keys are
>> used some system needs to be defined so that a lookup of a lemma in
>> Daniel 3 take you to the Aramaic portion of the lexicon not the 
>> Hebrew one.
>
> The answer to your question depends on whether @ and % are 
> well-known/standard/expected prefixes for these lemmata, from the 
> perspective of the expected audience of this module. (I would say they 
> are, and so they should be retained as is.)
>

That makes sense to me.

>> 2. How can we make such lemma systems inter-operable, at least in a
>> fuzzy way?
>>
>> Some mechanism needs to be created to connect the many lemma systems to
>> each other. It seems to me that Bible texts will follow one lemma scheme
>> or another, but why not create a system in which various lemma systems
>> can be connected? For example, H1 (strong) and @אָב (whmlemma) should be
>> easy to connect. If you look up H1 from KJV in a dictionary keyed to
>> whmlemma, it should take you to @אָב.
>
> Link keys in a lexicon can point from one key value another entry, 
> like an alias. I don't know whether this works currently, but it used to.
>
> So, you could assign both H0001 and @אָב as keys for a particular 
> entry, with one of the two keys being a link to the other.
>
> --Chris
>
I have never seen this work. I have compiled lexica with multiple keys 
with pipes between them, and the second key ends up an empty entry.

Daniel