[sword-devel] Logos Personal Book Builder

Mon Aug 15 06:15:56 MST 2011

I think the route of a MS Word/OOo -> module is so fraught with difficulties that it is simply pointless to think one can automatise it. 

What i can see and many people seem to cope just fine with is using some simple markup used in fora software, wikis and blogs. People then can be told - these are the 20 codes we support and please get going.

This is largely semantic markup, but is also easily understood.

Peter
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> Datum: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:55:03 +1000
> Von: Jonathan Morgan <jonmmorgan at gmail.com>
> An: "SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
> Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Logos Personal Book Builder

> Hi Greg,
> 
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Greg Hellings
> <greg.hellings at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > I have pursued the avenue of docx -> Bible conversion in the past and,
> > allow me to state unequivocally, it is incredibly complex.  The sheer
> > number of ways to mark up the same item and material makes any sort of
> > attempt at such a conversion almost impossible to conceive.  I never
> > completed the project (my apologies to David for that), but I did get
> > so far as to have the base text working in SWORD. However, headings
> > were in the wrong places, foot notes were acknowledged but not
> > present, and many other things were very wrong with the results I
> > produced.  Not to mention that the parsing was highly dependent upon
> > that one text and the manner in which its editor had elected to markup
> > his works.  I have since come into possession of better tools which
> > would make some parts of the process easier, but by no means would it
> > be simple.
> >
> 
> I'm not surprised.  I don't know how long it took Logos to develop their
> PBB
> and how many programmers were involved, but I do know it was originally
> tentatively planned for 2010.  As you say, I think a big part of the
> problem
> is the number of ways a thing can be represented as (plus the general
> problem of trying to map from presentation to meaning - it's also possible
> that Logos has a more presentational format than you are targetting).  I
> think Logos handles things like verses using pre-defined styles, but I've
> only played with it, not read the documentation.
> 
> 
> > Producing a general book might have better results, but it would still
> > be a monumental undertaking for anyone who wanted to tackle it.  I am
> > up to my ears right now in other projects or I might consider it.
> > Also, I lack any sort of source texts which would make it worthwhile
> > for myself to undertake the project.
> >
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> >
> > --Greg
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Benjamin Misja <alvanx at googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The new PBB feature sounds exciting and I will definitely see if I can
> > > integrate some papers and additional bible translations into my Logos
> > library.
> > >
> > > I would think that having a comparable feature for making SWORD
> modules
> > would
> > > give a huge boost to both the available amount of books and community
> > > participation. I think SWORD should make tools like this available to
> the
> > > community at any cost. It would take making modules out of the hands
> of
> > those
> > > who know at least regular expressions and some programming language
> and
> > put it
> > > into the hands of anybody who would want to make a module. I know I'd
> be
> > > making a lot of them if only I could! It would make SWORD so much
> cooler
> > and
> > > more dynamic. ;-)
> > >
> > > Just my humble opinion,
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > >
> > > Am Sonntag, 14. August 2011, 23:28:39 schrieb Jonathan Morgan:
> > >> I don't usually comment on competing products, but I thought the new
> > >> (long-expected) Logos Personal Book Builder was worth commenting on.
> >  You
> > >> can find a post about it at
> > >>
> http://blog.logos.com/2011/08/personal-book-builder-the-inside-scoop/.
> >  The
> > >> main difference from most software is the fact that books are built
> by
> > >> importing a docx file rather than entering any text into an editor,
> > which
> > >> hopefully means minimal work to make it happen.  The created books
> can
> > then
> > >> just be shared as you wish, even through the main Logos servers.
> > >>
> > >> I personally do not intend to do anything about this, but I thought
> it
> > worth
> > >> mentioning to see what others thought of the idea.  Certainly
> > difficulties
> > >> converting the text into a usable form seem to crop up quite a bit
> for
> > >> SWORD, and we have no knowledge of how many people just give up
> without
> > >> asking (I know there is a project to work with OpenOffice to create
> > >> Genbooks, but I have never used it and so do not know how capable and
> > how
> > >> automatic it is).
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts?
> > >>
> > >> Jon
> > >
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