[sword-devel] Android SWORD

Wed Sep 8 12:38:19 MST 2010

I would use whatever had the highest speed.  During a sermon you don't want
to wait for the text to build.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Manfred Bergmann <manfred.bergmann at me.com>wrote:

>
> Am 07.09.2010 um 15:40 schrieb DM Smith:
>
> > Of course, if I were to do it, I'd use JSword.
>
> I would as well.
>
>
>
> Manfred
>
> >
> > On 09/06/2010 05:41 PM, Kenneth Arnold wrote:
> >> This thread got rather sidetracked by the version control issue;
> >> personally I use git daily but usually in a centralized workflow. I
> >> think between github and GUIs like TortoiseGit it's not a big burden
> >> for new users ("just remember to Push"). Also, many open-source
> >> projects I follow have switched from bzr/Launchpad to github. But I
> >> have no strong feelings on what direction the various projects here
> >> should go. Now back on topic...
> >>
> >> Once the libsword-JNI bindings are stabilized and the build process is
> >> smoothed out, the only significant difference between them and JSword
> >> for Android should be speed, so let's measure that. There may also be
> >> differences in formatting, so let's go with the one that formats
> >> better and is faster. (Caching and prefetch could smooth over most
> >> visible speed differences, so maybe it's just which one formats
> >> better.) I also once lamented the complexity of doing simple things
> >> with the libsword C++ API, but I wrote a Python ztext reader instead
> >> of what I should have done, which is: help improve the code :)
> >>
> >> It doesn't look like the current way and-bible uses WebView allows you
> >> to do much with the text besides display it. I'm considering replacing
> >> the static page with a Javascript viewer that calls Java methods using
> >> addJavascriptInterface [1]. This would theoretically allow accurate
> >> verse position information and continuous scrolling (assuming the
> >> ability to call Javascript from Java, which may be possible with
> >> loadUrl [2]), but would require some significant HTML and Javascript
> >> work. Are there any web-based SWORD viewers that might be adaptable to
> >> that purpose?
> >>
> >> Btw, PocketSword users, how do you like the interface? Should we just
> >> do the same thing on Android?
> >>
> >> For those that would prefer to pay now instead of waiting for
> >> open-source, CadreBible and Olive Tree's BibleReader both have nice
> >> (though not perfect) interfaces.
> >>
> >> So Martin, enjoy your holidays and see you when you get back.
> >>
> >> -Ken
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]
> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/webkit/WebView.html#addJavascriptInterface%28java.lang.Object,%20java.lang.String%29
> >> [2]
> http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/6ed23efa4d22f7e6
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Martin Denham<mjdenham at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Bishop is real fast but I don't know if that is all due to C++ code or
> if it
> >>> is not doing as much html processing/formatting as and-bible.  I
> thought
> >>> about switching to the C++ libs but there are various h/w restrictions
> if
> >>> you use the ndk and also it is a long time since I use C++ and I just
> can't
> >>> understand the Sword C++ code anymore and it seems from Troy's e-mails
> that
> >>> the packaged ndk lib would need a fair bit more work.  Jsword also
> needs
> >>> some optimisations and tweaks but I am more confident with Java.  So if
> you
> >>> use C++ then feel free to continue Bishop or branch and-bible, but I
> always
> >>> planned to create a pure java bible and JSword gave me a really good
> start.
> >>> There is facade layer in and-bible that acts as an interface to JSword
> but
> >>> realistically so many helper classes are used in the ui that it would
> be
> >>> difficult to make the back-end switchable.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe the git idea is a good one and can be put on the list.  What do
> others
> >>> think?  I chose svn because I thought most developers would be familiar
> with
> >>> it and it has great eclipse integration.  Personally I have to use PVCS
> and
> >>> Clearcase at work so even svn provided challenges for me.  Nic recently
> >>> transferred PocketSword to Mercurial and seemed very happy.  However,
> as
> >>> everybody keeps commenting there is a whole load of functionality in
> >>> and-bible that is missing and that needs improvement so maybe I should
> keep
> >>> my head down and not be distracted.
> >>>
> >>> I am on holiday at the moment so don't expect any new releases for a
> while.
> >>> Why am I typing e-mails while I am on holiday!!!
> >>>
> >>> btw I just want to share we just heard that my eldest daughter got 5xA*
> 4xA
> >>> and a B in her GCSEs - the holiday begins.
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Martin
> >>>
> >>> On 31 August 2010 19:11, Bill Burton<bburton at mail.com>  wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> On a related note, could this project be hosted on http://github.com?
>  It
> >>>> would provide much better ability to collaborate since anyone can
> fork, make
> >>>> changes and then push them back for optional inclusion.  The built-in
> wiki
> >>>> would make it easy to publish any appropriate docs.
> >>>>
> >>>> For an example of why this would be helpful, I have some libsword swig
> >>>> bindings for Ruby that never got committed because no one who was a
> commiter
> >>>> had the time or inclination to step up and look at them.  If I could
> have
> >>>> forked the swig bindings, and checked in my changes, then whether or
> not
> >>>> they became incorporated in the official version, they would be
> readily
> >>>> available for anyone to find, evaluate and/or fix.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just my $0.02.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> -Bill
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Kenneth Arnold<
> kcarnold at alum.mit.edu>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Martin and Troy,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I finally got the AndBible source built; I needed to get the jsword
> >>>>> source and also raise the memory limit for Eclipse--it thrashed and
> >>>>> eventually crashed in the linker/dex step. There's still a dex
> warning that
> >>>>> floods the Console, but it works on my Droid X. I made a few minor
> >>>>> modifications to ensure I could, but nothing serious yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Major things I'd like to work on as a user are navigation, continuous
> >>>>> scrolling, and verse number sync. Also, do you think we should
> replace the
> >>>>> backend with native libsword? That might help formatting and speed,
> but I
> >>>>> don't know how deeply it's woven into the code. The Bishop code could
> be a
> >>>>> useful example if we decide to go that way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Should we continue discussion on this list?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Ken (mobile)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2010 1:39 AM, "Troy A. Griffitts"<scribe at crosswire.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Ken,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you for the debug.  I also have had trouble with the installer
> and
> >>>>> haven't had time to look into it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The history is that I build Bishop as a sort of proof of concept for
> the
> >>>>> java-jni bindings for Android.  I mostly work in the engine code.
>  The
> >>>>> jni binding code I kept in SWORD SVN and the Bishop code I just
> backed
> >>>>> up occasionally to our server.  Last year my drive crashed and I lost
> >>>>> some work but might have pieced it all back together.  Here is an
> email
> >>>>> I sent to Gary with links to all my stuff.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ______________________
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After last year when I started the work I had a harddrive die on my
> >>>>> laptop.  I had been backing up the work regularly, but lost about 2
> >>>>> weeks of work in the crash.  I used a recovery tool to salvage many
> of
> >>>>> the files from the bishop project and think I may have close to what
> is
> >>>>> in the apk.  Here are my resources if you want to try to piece things
> >>>>> together:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lastest binary when I stopped, dated 11-18-2009:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop.apk
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Latest backup of source, dated 10-31-2009:
> >>>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20091031.tar.gz
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Latest binary after reconstructing source and I think some small new
> >>>>> work (I think this is built with debug symbols in the native library
> so
> >>>>> it's a little bigger):
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop2.apk
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Current backup of source which built the above:
> >>>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop-20100804.tar.gz
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please excuse my ignorance of Android programming.  I am fumbling
> >>>>> through it all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I remember having trouble with the InstallMgr.  It sometimes connects
> >>>>> and downloads and other times it does not.  I thought it might be the
> >>>>> limited memory on my G1 or some trouble with the timing of the FTP
> code
> >>>>> in the native library.  I've found serious bugs in Android's system
> >>>>> calls, (e.g. memccpy) and reported it to them, but they still haven't
> >>>>> fixed it.  I use my own version in the ftp lib to avoid the bug.
>  That
> >>>>> is where I stopped-- thinking I needed to debug this ftp intermittent
> >>>>> issue.  I didn't compare how well the older .apk works versus the
> newer
> >>>>> .apk.  Maybe the older version worked better?  Or maybe a newer
> version
> >>>>> of Android or new phone works better?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let me know what you find.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Troy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 08/24/2010 09:01 PM, Kenneth Arnold wrote:
> >>>>>> I just got an Android phone, and after seeing the...
> >
> >
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