[sword-devel] [jsword-devel] New data, new CrossWire project, HELP WANTED

[David Instone-Brewer]

Sword have a good Hebrew lexicon based on Strongs 
(corrected by me), but I don't know where such things are stored.
The guys at 
<http://github.com/openscriptures>openscriptures 
have added several more corrections to my 
corrections, and produced a tidy XML package,
downloadable at 
<http://github.com/openscriptures/strongs/downloads>http://github.com/openscriptures/strongs/downloads 

Could this be converted into a replacement Sword module by someone?

David IB

At 19:45 23/04/2010, Chris Burrell wrote:
>Hi Daniel
>
>I think to start with we really need a 
>Strong-tagged hebrew sword module and if 
>possible with the morphology in it. That would 
>help with the classic interlinears and in 
>particular in their accuracy. Perhaps that 
>already exists, but I haven't been able to find it.
>
>And then as you say, a good Hebrew lexicon would 
>be a great addition. Hopefully David IB will be 
>able to comment on the best way forward here. 
>We'll need both at some point, so either would be good!
>Chris
>
>
>On 22 April 2010 00:07, Chris Burrell 
><<mailto:chris at burrell.me.uk>chris at burrell.me.uk> wrote:
>Hi Daniel
>
>I'm copying David IB from Tyndale House who is 
>part of Tyndale House and leading the data side of the project.
>
>A couple of emails have circulated on this 
>previously on our blogs, which I've tried to capture (in part) on
><http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-44>http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-44
>http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-45
>
>I'm sure David IB will have more to input on 
>this... I've copied his original email below
>Chris
>
>==========================================
>THis is the best lookup lexicon to use for 
>Hebrew interlinear - it is tagged to Strongs, 
>includes the pointed Hebrew and has an 
>abbreviated BDB entry. And the version 
>downloadable from 
><http://github.com/openscriptures>http://github.com/openscriptures 
>has even more corrections than mine. For all I 
>know, it might finally be letter perfect! THis 
>version is also packaged in nice XML which can 
>easily be converted to any other DB format.
>
>The equivalent lexicon at Crosswire for Greek 
>is, I think, in a much better state, and didn't 
>need all the work the Hebrew did.
>
>The version of the tagged OT text at 
><http://github.com/openscriptures>http://github.com/openscriptures 
>is also in very good condition (prob better than 
>the one at Crosswire). It appears to only 
>contain PD data - ie it doesn't include the more 
>complete morphology data which is copyrighted.
>
>David IB
>
>
>
>On 21 April 2010 23:22, Daniel Owens 
><<mailto:dhowens at pmbx.net>dhowens at pmbx.net> wrote:
>Chris,
>
>I am not qualified to contribute code (though I 
>lurk on sword-devel because of my 
>module-creating disposition), but I am involved 
>in producing content for the very purpose you 
>mention. By the way, if you are at Tyndale House 
>now, you may know Daniel Block. He is my PhD mentor at Wheaton College.
>
>There are two content areas with which I am 
>involved and would be happy to collaborate on. 
>One is Greek and Hebrew lexica. Currently at 
><http://www.textonline.org>www.textonline.org we 
>are involved in collaboratively producing a 
>modern replacement for Strongs. We're starting 
>with a Strongs base but hope to provide a basic 
>and up-to-date modern equivalent to Holladay for 
>Hebrew or Newman for Greek, except that they 
>will be released under a creative commons 
>license. The challenge is finding people to 
>contribute quality entries with little or no 
>possibility of accolades in the guild of 
>biblical studies (and certainly no money!). The 
>other project is a collaboratively produced 
>morphologically tagged Hebrew text (see 
><http://www.OpenScriptures.org>www.OpenScriptures.org). 
>For that we are looking at Django and Pinax as 
>the applications for collaborating on putting 
>together the data. For me, the purpose of this 
>is to fill a void of content for SWORD in order to serve the global church.
>
>I notice that full-text lexicons are part of the 
>second phase of your plan. Is there any way we 
>can begin to collaborate on that? I am open to your suggestions.
>
>Daniel
>
>On 4/21/2010 2:07 PM, Chris Burrell wrote:
>*What is Tyndale STEP?*
>
>Tyndale STEP is an offline and online Java web 
>application which aims to make ancient texts and 
>maps as well as timeline data, genealogies, ... 
>accessible to everyone, scholar and non-scholar 
>alike, so that the Bible is illuminated by its 
>full ancient context. [see roadmap below]. 
>Tyndale House will also distribute the online 
>version to pastors in the third world, who often 
>can’t afford commercial Bible software.
>
>A wiki page has been set up here: 
><http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep>http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep 
>which has a lot more information!
>
>*Who are we looking for?*
>We need lots of help!
>• *Java developers*: this code base is mainly in 
>Java so we can do with all the help we can get!
>• *User Interface designers*: there is currently 
>a sketch of the user interface, created more to 
>prove a point. We need proper guidance to make 
>the software as user friendly and rich as possible
>• *Data harvesters*: Tyndale House could do with 
>a few extra pairs of hands to helpcollate the 
>data and make it available to the wider CrossWire community
>
>*How do I start?*
>• Get in touch!
>• Read through the wiki page: 
><http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep>http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep
>• Build the code from: 
><http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment>http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment
>• Check out our feature/bug repository: 
><http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP>http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP
>• Have a look at the proof of concept sketches 
>at 
><http://crosswire.org:8080/~chrisburrell/>http://crosswire.org:8080/~chrisburrell/ 
><http://crosswire.org:8080/%7Echrisburrell/> 
>(including timelines and interlinears on strong-tagged Bibles)
>
>• Peruse the blogs mentioned on the wiki to get 
>a feel for the data and programming
>
>As you can see, there’s plenty to do!
>
>*What does the roadmap look like?*
>
>*/1st phase: build a multi-platform structure 
>for standard Bible-study tools:/*
>• Bible texts, including original languages, translations and interlinears
>• Language aids, including lookup-dictionaries concordance searches
>• History tools, including an expandable timeline with scripture links
>• Dictionary articles, culled from various sources and edited
>*/
>/*
>*/2nd phase: add detailed geographic, historic & linguistic data/*
>• Gazetteer of all named places, with short articles and links to pictures
>• Co-ordinates of identifiable places to GoogleEarth
>• Map overlays of high-ref 1:20,000 maps of pre-urbanised Palestine
>• Flexible timelines which can be altered at key points of uncertainty
>• Full-text lexicons linked to the lookup dictionaries in tagged texts
>
>*/3rd phase: add translation aids and links to modern publications/*
>• different possible translations for words and passages
>• differences in manuscripts, with evidence for each variant
>• expositions in modern and older commentaries, articles and books
>
>*/4th phase: adds link to extra-biblical literature with searching:/*
>• search other ancient literature for similar passages in a similar context
>• look up Greek and Hebrew words in other ancient literature
>• view ancient texts with translations where possible
>
>These tools will put centuries of research into 
>the hands of non-scholars. When the information 
>is laid open like this, it is easy to see that 
>the Bible is well preserved and translated, 
>reflecting historical events in real places, and 
>dealing with issues current in the ancient and modern work alike.
>
>If you have any more questions or want to get involved, please do let me know!
>Chris
>
>
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