[sword-devel] Thai in Xiphos and BibleDesktop

[Brian Fernandes]

Adrian,

I *think* FireBible renders the current ThaiKJV module correctly, can 
you confirm? Here is a screenshot:
http://thegoan.com/dump/thaikjv.png (or you can try it yourself: 
http://thegoan.com/firebible)

If yes, it would be because FireBible uses JSword at the backend, but 
uses the Firefox renderer, which I assume is aware of Thai word breaks.

In Him,
Brian.

On 17/10/09 10:27 AM, Adrian Korten wrote:
> Good day,
>
> Yes, I think that it is the ICU module that makes the Thai word 
> breaking work in BibleCS. I have previously inserted word break 
> characters in the Bible texts because Biblical words and names are not 
> in the ICU dictionary and get broken erratically. However, that led to 
> problems with the search as user could not insert the characters and 
> had to use spaces which was unnatural for them.
>
> Note that there would be similar problems with Laos and Khmer. And 
> probably Burmese but that is even more complicated.
>
> ak
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org>
> *Sent:* 10/16/2009 10:13:17 PM +0700
>
>
>> Adrian,
>> Thai falls into the "I never thought about that" category for me. 
>> While I knew that Thai does not use spaces for word breaks, it never 
>> occurred to me that we need smart display to find word breaks.
>>
>> I'll be working on that for BibleDesktop.
>>
>> I'm not sure that the OSIS should have unnatural zero width spaces. 
>> That just seems wrong. Maybe the module should.
>>
>> My guess is that we need to use ICU to find the word boundaries.
>>
>> Regarding search JSword does handle Thai word breaks. The next 
>> release will improve that.
>>
>> In Him,
>> DM
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2009, at 3:50 AM, Adrian Korten <adrian_korten at sil.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good day,
>>>
>>> After trying my Thai OSIS test module in BibleCS, I tried the module 
>>> and some other Thai ones in Xiphos (ubuntu version) and BibleDesktop 
>>> (windows xp). The OSIS data seems to display better but it is hard 
>>> to tell. Both of these programs do not do Thai word breaks 
>>> automatically (finding the word breaks where no spaces exist). They 
>>> only break by the 'phrase' spaces and so there are many line breaks 
>>> and it gets hard to read. (Would they work if zero-width spaces were 
>>> inserted. I didn't have time to test this.) This is too bad because 
>>> I like the clean simple interfaces.
>>>
>>> And one additional note on BibleDesktop, I can change the default 
>>> font for a Thai text but I could not change the size. Perhaps, this 
>>> is because the program is out of date (but I don't remember the 
>>> installed version). This is a problem for foreigners with Thai as 
>>> the characters are small.
>>>
>>> ak
>>>
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