[sword-devel] osis2mod output (Bisaya-Inunhan NT)

[DM Smith]

On Apr 29, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

> DM Smith wrote:
>
>> No it is not a translator's error. It is correct.
>
>>> If not, what versification schemes do have that verse, but are  
>>> otherwise compatible with KJV versification?
>
>> NRSV
>
>> AFAICT, this differs from the KJV in having 3 John 1:15 and  
>> Revelation 12:18.
>
> Thanks.  You definitely win the prize for providing me the most  
> exactly correct answer so far :)
>
>> The OSIS manual gives the NRSVA as the standard (it is NRSV "with  
>> Apocrypha"). Here is our copy of it:
>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/Bible.NRSVA.xml
>
> OK.  Good.  Although that leads to: why doesn't SWORD use NRSV(A) as  
> its default, just as OSIS does, so that things match up naturally  
> for OSIS input files, which are the officially "best" way to get  
> stuff into SWORD nowadays?

Chris just checked in the NRSV, NRSVA and the KJVA.

Yeah!!! Chris!!!

>
>
> Further, shouldn't osis2mod check what versification the input XML  
> specifies (or fails to specify and so implies), and then emit a  
> warning (or even just fail??) if that versification system is one  
> that SWORD does not know about? (Yet another osis2mod enhancement  
> request from me!)

I'm going to let you add this one:) It is a great idea.


>
>
> Similarly, since one can specify a versification system inside the  
> OSIS XML file, why does osis2mod need a -v switch to select a  
> versification system?  Can't it just use the one specified in the  
> XML input (and default to the OSIS default, if one is not specified  
> in the OSIS XML)?


osis2mod accepts valid xml fragments, such as a chapter or a book. It  
does not need to have the OSIS header.

This is very useful in development.

>
>
>>> More generally, how can a module developer find out which  
>>> versification schemes have a verse X Y:Z for any given values of  
>>> book X, chapter Y and verse Z?
>
> This is going to become more and more important as more  
> versifications are added... your idea of an automatic versification  
> identifier tool sounds good, although it might be awkward (or need  
> to be fairly smart!) if in practice there is still a need to do the  
> "well, it's sort of nearly KJV, so let's just call it that" kind of  
> thing that others have suggested, at least for some modules (just  
> not for this one).

Yes, it is important. Probably the best help will be the people on  
sword-devel.

>
>
>> I have a question though, does someone have a portable C++ way to  
>> identify a new line? Mac, Windows and Unix use different  
>> combinations of \n and \r. At this time we don't care how the lines  
>> are ended in the file. As far as osis2mod cares, it is just a  
>> character that returns true to isspace(ch), that is, whitespace.
>
> I *think* the standard C++ iostream library handles this for you,  
> behind the scenes, and you will see a '\n' on all platforms?  That's  
> from memory, not recent actual use, though :)

Hmm. I find that hard to believe. We are using getc, which gets just a  
character from the stream.


>
>
>>> But this kind of thing would need the ability for the library to  
>>> accept dynamically generated custom versifications, which at the  
>>> moment it does not seem able to handle?  Is this something planned  
>>> for a future release?  Or am I looking at this "all wrong"?
>
>> Peter gave a good response to this. The problem with a dynamically  
>> generate custom versification is that it won't be mappable. Mapping  
>> is important to parallel display and to using references generated  
>> against one versification with a Bible using another.
>
> Makes sense.  You could maybe include a single mapping back to a  
> standard versification (NRSVA would seem logical, since it is OSIS's  
> standard!) with each custom mapping... that should be reasonable.   
> If you truly need to add N-1 different mappings when you add the Nth  
> versification, life is going to get really awkward long term -- no- 
> one will want to create 100 mappings just to add the 101st  
> versification :|

According to Harry Plantinga's comment on the NSRVA, that's the  
intention. Map to one central all encompassing v11n.

>
>
>>> One more minor request: osis2mod currently does not seem to accept  
>>> XML from stdin, either with just a module name parameter, or if  
>>> you specify - as the input filename.  ...
>
>> This would be good. Not sure if it is portable to Windows. I'm  
>> thinking that if a '-' is found where the input file name is  
>> expected it would read standard in. I used to know how to do this  
>> and it will take me a bit of time to remember. A patch or a snippet  
>> of code would be great!
>
>> (I coded C++ from 1.0 up until 3.0 on a regular basis, but it has  
>> been too long since then, so help is appreciated!)
>
> In old-fashioned C, you'd do:
>
>  FILE *f;
>
>  if ((filename[0] == '-') && (filename[1] == 0)) {
>    f = stdin;
>  } else {
>    f = fopen(filename, "r");
>  }
>
> I'm not sure what the exact equivalent C++ is.  It should work fine  
> on Windows too.  The standard I/O library has stdin and stdout and  
> stderr, even under Windows :)

Thanks.

>
>
>> Jonathan, again thanks. It is new users who help make the process  
>> easier.
>
> Sure.  I rather suspected that my becoming a novice user of the  
> module developer tools would find an issue or two ... I didn't  
> expect to do so quite this quickly, though :)
>
> Jonathan
>
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