[sword-devel] The Sword Project on OpenSolaris

Tue Oct 7 21:45:18 MST 2008

List,

On a side note - I just downloaded and installed OpenSolaris 2008.05 (5.11
for those of you on the Sun versioning scheme) and it installs Gnome 2.20 by
default as its windowing system.  It might have a more up-to-date version in
the default package manager, but I installed it into a VM, and right now the
VM is misbehaving.  However, basing off of the pre-installed Gnome will
probably be much easier than trying to shoe-horn something else into the
system.

--Greg

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Greg Hellings <greg.hellings at gmail.com>wrote:

> Karl,
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Karl Kleinpaste <karl at kleinpaste.org>wrote:
>
>> Greg, there were approximately two dozen pieces of information in your
>> message for which I have exactly zero context.  Bear in mind that I have
>> not used a Solaris machine in the better part of 15 years.
>
>
> My apologies, I was very thick with the information.  I'll try and
> elucidate a little more of it here.
>
>
>>
>>
>> For starters, I have no knowledge of how to configure Solaris' package
>> manager to use any other repository -- none of this GUI tool's menus
>> offer any possibility of adding a new repository reference beyond just
>> opensolaris.org, though there is a combobox in the upper right which
>> would be useful, if such a thing had been configurable.  At the moment,
>> it's got just 1 element, opensolaris.org.
>
>
> Firstly, the system I am working in is not the OpenSolaris but the
> commercial version of Solaris 10 (which is supposed to be virtually
> identical to OpenSolaris, just a little behind in the packages and with
> commercial tech support).  I have the ability to login with a GUI, but my
> campus' VPN will not allow me to install it on a 64-bit operating system (my
> home PC uses Vista 64-bit), so I have to connect to the Solaris system with
> command-line for virtually all of my interaction with the system.  At that
> level, if one uses a bash script for login, the system looks and functions
> extremely similar to a Linux environment.  It is from the command line that
> I use pkg-get, a system which is loosely based off of the Debian apt-get
> packaging system, but rather than using .deb files, it uses standard Solaris
> .pkg files.  Judging by the number of references I find to it in a Google
> search, it seems that the system is reasonably well in use by people in the
> Solaris community.
>
> Since many people want access to the GNU tools and other open source
> software, but do not necessarily want to deal with the minute differences
> between the Linux and Solaris environments, a group called Community
> SoftWare (CSW) offers the pkg-get tool that I mentioned above with a default
> repository of certainly libraries and programs which are useful (mainly) to
> developers who are looking for Linux-like library functionality in a Solaris
> environment.  The CSW tools (pkg-get) are available at the website I
> mentioned in my previous email, http://www.opencsw.org.  For my own
> research on the Solaris system, I have found pkg-get to be an indispensible
> tool which already has certain of the base libraries and packages which I
> and my tools rely upon, and I recently installed the SWORD library to that
> same machine in preparation of some research that I plan to do based off of
> SWORD data, building it against the libraries installed with pkg-get (all of
> the dependent libraries were available through pkg-get, except for CLucene).
>
> One of the difficult things related to CSW and the pkg-get system is that
> it requires the user to manually alter (in my .bashrc script) the variables
> for PATH and PKG_CONFIG_PATH and so on to find the executables and libraries
> that are installed by the system, to /opt.  Since I don't use the GUI login
> except when my command-line login becomes corrupted or defunct, I can't
> speak to the ease of installing the gnome packages that are available with
> the CSW system or using them, but I can tell you that they are available
> with a default installation of the pkg-get.
>
> For my own part, I installed pkg-get, modified my .bashrc to update the
> PATH and PKG_CONFIG_PATH variables to point them to the subdirectories of
> /opt/csw where the packages were installed, and then was able to
> effortlessly install mysql, apache2, icu, gcc, vim, etc with updated
> versions that patched problems with the bundled versions for the Solaris
> 5.10 system.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Also, you say that libxrender is in "both" repositories, but that's
>> objectively not true when I am in the package tool, looking at "All"
>> packages, and I search for "xre" -- empty set.
>>
>> In general, I have no knowledge of why any particular pkg-get script or
>> tool is supposed to provide superior configurability beyond the GUI
>> package tool I'm already using and so I have no reason to suppose it
>> will be an improvement when the problem is not the package tool itself
>> but the fact that the package in question is simply not there.
>
>
> The pkg-get package is not intended to replace the default package
> installation system, instead it is intended to supplement that system with
> additional packages that Sun will not allow into the Solaris fold.  I
> seriously doubt that it will be better than the GUI system.  I find that,
> for package managers, I almost always prefer to use a GUI tool if I'm
> looking for libraries which may or may not be in the package repository.
> But, as a supplement for those packages which the standard package set of
> Solaris excludes, pkg-get might be a useful addition to your system.
>
> Hope this cleared some things up, and if you need any other help or
> information, don't hesitate to ask again.
>
> --Greg
>
>
>>
>>
>> Any further clues would be welcome.
>>
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