[sword-devel] CrossWire website / wiki [was: [OT] just join, testing only]

[Kyle Howland-Rose]

For the newbs, by "project website" do you mean /www.crosswire.org/wiki?

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org>wrote:

> Top posting because I am commenting in general on this thread.
>
> The CrossWire main page should be very brief, concise, clean, hardly
> ever changed, and point people to project websites... and static.
>
> We have a very strange situation.  CrossWire is intended for 2 very
> different groups of people.  Everyone on this list is interested in the
> development process.  MOST users are not-- especially Windows users
> (with whom most of us developers have a hard time sympathizing).
>
> The main CrossWire page attempts to sensitively cater to both.  We
> briefly point out our developers' pages for SWORD and JSword
> immediately, and then go straight into an attempt to direct users to
> their frontend, organized by OS.
>
> In principle, I think we have the right idea.  In practice we may not
> have hit this target as central as we would have liked.
>
> I agree with the need to let more people update things, but not for the
> main CrossWire page.  And project pages have always been up to each
> project on how they let their pages be edited.  If they want to have
> their whole page be a wiki, then they are welcome.
>
> But again, for the main CrossWire page, if things need to be edited
> often, then we haven't done our job with its purpose.
>
> As for the 'project website' for The SWORD Project engine...
> I'd love for more of The SWORD Project developer pages to be wiki
> editable and updated.  Some of these things have already happened with
> the module creation pages, the .conf layouts, etc.
>
> We do have a static set of policies that I'd like to keep static-- our
> purpose statement, etc.
>
> And I'd love to give access to a few old-timer volunteers, who
> understand our terminology and goals, to update the CrossWire main page
> when they see it out of date.  Volunteers?
>
> Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong.  I figure if I give permission, then
> I'm reducing your sin. :)
>
>        -Troy.
>
>
>
> Jason Galyon wrote:
> > Manfred Bergmann wrote:
> >> Am 10.11.2008 um 21:46 schrieb Chris Little:
> >>
> >>
> >>> The Wiki is just plain unattractive. We've got a fairly consistent
> >>> look
> >>> throughout the Sword, CrossWire, JSword, & other crosswire.org-hosted
> >>> sites. The Wiki is has an inconsistent and very plain appearance with
> >>> respect to the Sword site that would presumably point people to it.
> >>>
> >> I think the wiki is not unattractive. It is light and bright, the
> >> color are ok and people (maybe) are familiar to it because of wikipedia.
> >> Currently I think it is more attractive and inviting than the static
> >> web page.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Collaborative editing often leads to bad edits. There are parts of the
> >>> CrossWire & Sword sites that are out of date and now possibly
> >>> inaccurate, but edits to the Wiki can (and have at times been) new and
> >>> inaccurate. We get spelling and grammar errors that make us look
> >>> unprofessional. We get branding inconsistencies since not everyone
> >>> knows
> >>> (or is careful about) the letter casing of the SWORD Project or
> >>> CrossWire.
> >>>
> >>> I try to read all Wiki edits, and I know I've seen you do
> >>> corrections in
> >>> the past. But I can't guarantee that I will catch every bad commit and
> >>> it takes time out of my schedule during which I would rather do
> >>> something else.
> >>>
> >> I could think of responsible people who check edits and tell the
> >> editor: "go back and correct your things".
> >> The wiki could be split in certain parts where there are more than one
> >> who "responsible" that content is ok.
> >>
> >>
> >>> If we want a more up-to-date webpage, Wiki is not the answer. A CMS
> >>> is.
> >>> Wikis are for collaboration and whiteboarding.
> >>>
> >> A CMS would also be a good idea to start over with an updated web page.
> >>
> >>
> >> Manfred
> >>
> >>
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> > Wikis are by their very nature, what you make of them. If ugly then the
> > mirror is the best place to throw stones.
> >
> > Besides, many people look for functionality over aesthetic and 'purty'
> > appeal. Content counts.
> >
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