[sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

Troy A. Griffitts scribe at crosswire.org
Sat Nov 1 08:25:12 MST 2008 

Once the code is done to register a versification system with a TreeKey, 
I was thinking of having SWMgr, when it loads a GenBook with 
KeyType=VerseKey register it with VerseMgr as a versification scheme 
called the same as the module name.  This will get things working for 
individual modules.

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Then the next phase of development, which will start to really take 
advantage of the core purpose of VerseMgr would be to develop a 
specification where modules specify which common versification system 
they use, and if a module provides an entire versification system, eg.,

[KJVgb]
ProvidesVersification=KJV

[LXXM]
ProvidesVersification=LXX

[SyriacNT]
Versification=LXX

(actually, I don't think Peshitta used LXX for translations, but this is 
just a technical example)

Then we can work out some code logic similar to:
If a module ProvidesVersification, and the Versification is not yet 
registered with VerseMgr, then SWMgr still registers module's TreeKey as 
a versification system like described above, but uses the 
ProvidesVersification entry as the versification name.

If a module specifies that it uses a versification which there is not 
installed a module which provides, then SWMgr still registers module's 
TreeKey as a versification system like described above, and still uses 
the module name.

And finally, I think we need a line of code in SWModule::CreateKey (and 
overriding versions) to set versification on VerseKey to the proper 
system sorted out from the .conf and logic described above.

Thanks for making me do a thoughts dump on this one.  Comments?

	-Troy.






Manfred Bergmann wrote:
> Troy.
> 
> Alright, understood.
> Another question:
> The only call to registerVersificationSystem() is done now in the  
> SystemVerseMgr getter.
> But here only for 'normal' versification system.
> In which way do we need to differentiate between the old and the new  
> and call the TreeKey registerVersificationSystem() method?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Manfred
> 
> 
> 
> Am 01.11.2008 um 04:44 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:
> 
>> Dear Manfred,
>>
>> Yes, you are exactly correct.  First level would get all books, second
>> level would get all chapters, and third level would get all verses.
>> These are the things that are pulled from the static array in canon.h
>>
>> 	-Troy.
>>
>>
>> Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>> Am 29.10.2008 um 14:23 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:
>>>
>>>> If you'd like to help with the unfinished part, have a look at:
>>>>
>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/src/mgr/versemgr.cpp
>>>>
>>>> and search for: TreeKey
>>>>
>>>> See the overloaded registerVersificationSystem implementation above
>>>> which implements registering a system the old way, with a hardcoded
>>>> array (canon.h).  The TreeKey version of this method needs to read
>>>> it's
>>>> data from the provided TreeKey instead of the static array.  You can
>>>> use
>>>> the working array impl as a starting template for the TreeKey impl.
>>> Hmm, I don't quite understand how to do that.
>>> I would think that in a genbook bible module which is based on a tree
>>> structure one would parse the tree and see how many second level
>>> (chapter) and third level (verse) elements there are for a certain  
>>> book.
>>> TreeKey itself only has assureKeyPath method.
>>> What do you suggest to implement this?
>>>
>>>
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>>> Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>> Huray.
>>>>> First genbook with alternate versification.
>>>>> It turned out that the xml2gbs converter doesn't like single quotes
>>>>> for strings (attributes).
>>>>>
>>>>> A problem though. Gen 32:33 should show something in the gerneuegb
>>>>> module but it doesn't.
>>>>> http://idisk.mac.com/manfred.bergmann-Public/shot_sword_gb.png
>>>>>
>>>>> Might be the code that pulls out the verses for display. Is there
>>>>> something to note when using alternate versification?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 28.10.2008 um 10:00 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris, do you know where I can get the OSIS source of which the
>>>>>> KJVgb
>>>>>> and/or GerLut1545lhgb have been created from?
>>>>>> Text can be rendered for these two modules but not for my created
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>> I guess there are some differences in the OSIS which I need to
>>>>>> check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 28.10.2008 um 08:52 schrieb Chris Little:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any case, if you want to test alternate versification in  
>>>>>>> Sword,
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> need to use xml2gbs for import. You can copy a .conf from one of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> testing modules that use the GenBook driver to see the
>>>>>>> necessary .conf
>>>>>>> settings (either KJVgb or DRCgb, I believe).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's me again. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've tried the svn HEAD for creating this german bible module
>>>>>>>> GerNeUe
>>>>>>>> from OSIS.
>>>>>>>> The verses mentioned below are not shifted anymore.
>>>>>>>> But i.e. verse 32:33 which is in the source is re-versified as
>>>>>>>> 32:0:
>>>>>>>> "re-versified Genesis 32:33	as Genesis 32:0"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What dies this mean. Gen 32:0 does not exist so is the verse re-
>>>>>>>> versified to nil? :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 05.10.2008 um 17:28 schrieb Manfred Bergmann:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know there has a lot of discussion about versification  
>>>>>>>>> schemes.
>>>>>>>>> Now that I'm working on a Sword module myself it seems I have
>>>>>>>>> missed
>>>>>>>>> and not understood the issues that are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However I noticed a different versification when I compare the
>>>>>>>>> bible
>>>>>>>>> I'm working on GerNeUe and the other german bibles (GerSch,
>>>>>>>>> GetElb, ...).
>>>>>>>>> For example Gen 31:55 doesn't exist in the GerNeUe source and
>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>> also not in Schlachter and Elberfelder if I look at http://www.bibleserver.com
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> But the Sword modules for Schlachter and Elberfelder have verse
>>>>>>>>> 55.
>>>>>>>>> This leads to that all verses in Gen 32 are different to other
>>>>>>>>> sources
>>>>>>>>> (shifted by 1) until Gen 32:32 where verse 33 is put into verse
>>>>>>>>> 32
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> osis2mod.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know this is because of the KJV versification schema that is
>>>>>>>>> used by
>>>>>>>>> default.
>>>>>>>>> Can I use the dynamic versification schema of the upcoming
>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>> already?
>>>>>>>>> What are your suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>>>>
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