[sword-devel] behaviour on mailing list, copurights, sscraping, Hitler etc etc

[Peter von Kaehne]

John H.,

There are several aspects here

1) formal law
2) what is liked and supported by copyright holders
3) general behaviour on the mailing list

Wrt 1), while I have no clue what the US American situation is in detail
or in particular US states, I have no reason to believe that Chris is
wrong. Wrt your supposed expertise, I do not care much for it. I would
in general prefer if a international project like Crosswire would drive
down in exactly the middle of the road, rather than trying to skirt the
sides and finding whatever loopholes there might be. I am sure I am not
alone.

Wrt 2) -  we want to work together with copyright holders to and have to
gain a lot more from creating goodwill than by scraping a few websites.

wrt 3) your behaviour is appalling. I see no reason for  Chris to
apologise, but plenty for you. And considering your last attempt to
change another thread and involve someone new who asks an innocent,
unconnected question, yet another reason to apologise.

You have shown yourself as a most unpleasant person and I would prefer
if you move on.

Please consider any other conversation we two had as closed.

Peter



John H. wrote:
> I emailed the IBS, so we'll know soon enough.
> 
> On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 09:58 -0500, John H. wrote:
> 
>> It would seem that way, however, the entire thing is available for
>> download in PDF Format from the people that actually own the
>> copyright, the IBS. It's possible that biblegateway just threw up a
>> generic statement 
>>
>> http://www.ibs.org/bibles/arabic/index.php
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 09:32 +0100, Frank wrote:
>>
>>> John H. wrote: 
>>>
>>>> http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/index.php?action=getVersionInfo&vid=28
>>>>
>>>> Biblegateway does not have the copyright.  IBS does.  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read the copyright information right there:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Copyright Information
>>>> These Scriptures have been made available on the Internet for your
>>>> personal use only. Any other use including, but not limited to,
>>>> copying or re-posting the Scripture on the Internet is prohibited.
>>>> These Scriptures may not be altered or modified in any form but
>>>> must remain in their original context.
>>>
>>> Surely converting them to a Sword module constitutes altering or
>>> modifying their form and is, as such, *explicitly* forbidden?
>>>
>>>
>>>> These Scriptures may not be sold or otherwise offered for sale--to
>>>> include online banner ads that encapsulate linkages to these
>>>> Scriptures for the purpose of selling online ad space. These
>>>> Scriptures are free for all online use.
>>>>
>>>> These Scriptures are not public domain. These Scriptures are not
>>>> shareware and may not be duplicated. 
>>>
>>> Converting to a Sword module is a form of duplication...
>>>
>>> Unless your license *explicitly* gives you that right, overruling
>>> the copyright notice (is that even possible?), then the conversion
>>> is a copyright infringement.  I don't believe one needs to be a
>>> lawyer to understand such explicit instructions... 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Blessings
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
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