[sword-devel] Rich brother? Re: Users are here. Re: Sword on Plone
Jason Galyon
jtgalyon at gmail.com
Fri Jan 25 16:49:35 MST 2008
DJ Ortley wrote:
> Well, I'm not exactly sure of what you were trying to say in this
> e-mail. However, I suppose clarifying the typical Plone setup might be
> of use as I don't think you were trying to chide me away from developing
> such technologies as much as you were trying to bring to light other things.
>
> Basically, Plone is a product for Zope, which is a web server as well as
> other things. A typical Plone site running in a Zope instance uses
> quite a bit of processing power and memory, but, adding extra Plone
> sites on that Zope instance has a much lower overhead per site. So what
> someone normally does is to proxy a Zope instance running several Plone
> sites behind Apache and/or Squid with some rewrite rules. A neat
> advantage here is that any technologies that get added to Zope can be
> shared by any number of the Plone instances.
>
> Plone hosting services tend to be a bit more pricey. Typically
> $30-$40/month (this isn't exactly a LAMP setup here.) However, with all
> of this put together, one can setup a server (personally or through a
> hosting service) and run a small number of very powerful sites through
> that one machine.
>
>
I believe the sentiment expressed was in deploying (easily) the software
with as little overhead as possible. That may sound rhetorical, but for
the list readers this may just be one of those areas they take for
granted so no offense is intended to anyone.
I like Plone, I believe it does much to tame the IMHO nasty beast that
is Zope2 and turn it into a world class CMS. I am a pretty big Plone
advocate for many reasons. I like the use of the ZMI to load balance
(through Apache of course, never tried any other web server).
That said, I am interested in a Plone (or any other) server system that
can dish out content to small end clients like the OLPC/XO. While such
devices can use a browser to view the info, I am thinking (also) of
using something like XML-RPC or even better a more RESTful interface to
control the query and dissemination of data on the local rich client.
For example, with the XO, don't use the browser but rather use a pyGTK
interface along with a very small amount of local data. Following the
lesson plan based approach to teaching with the XO, then lesson plans
would be downloaded to the XO and the data cached as necessary.
For "homework" larger amounts of compressed data can be stored on the
device.
Swords markup with its great use of indexing provides this ability "out
of the box" that is multilingual and referenced against well written
lessons that together provide a fantastic base of context for the
student. Together with lessons that are targeted for appropriate ages
(e.g. graphical logo style lessons for smaller kids and well I guess I
like them too) we have a fantastic tool for spreading the Word.
> Regardless of outside help or not, I'm going to continue marching on the
> Sword+Plone front. One of the reasons being that another group I work
> with is using Plone as one of their main technologies, and we'll more
> likely than not be wanting to put that on our site as well as use it in
> other sites we build.
>
> -DJ
>
>
I am very interested in your system and would like to hear more about it
and your plans.
Will you be attending PyCon in Chicago?
Jason
> avolunteer DrStovallFoundation wrote:
>
>> Do you have a rich brother who would really wants to make available this kind
>> of encouragement and power? Children and jobless disaster victims could
>> quickly gain a a badly needed sense of accomplishment, ownership, and
>> responsibility if they could use my linguistic tools plus Sword on Plone to
>> assist them in multi-language Bible studies. The problem is a Plone server
>> needs 256MB of ram to even run and 1GB is recommended. Clients need less but I
>> do not have that kind of money necessary for hosting to serve very many users.
>> We have some old small memory machines and can get more. But I do not have
>> contacts who would give us that much computing power.
>>
>> What my team has been doing is burning liveCD's with gnome sword and giving
>> them to people who can use them. What I would like to see for the future is a
>> team able to expand on this and build much better sw. I see BPBible and JSword
>> as the best starting place for this. My little N800 with Rapier is great. But
>> OLPC with a button to show Python source code for whatever the child is doing
>> seems to me to be the most affordable target. Remember also that children have
>> a much shorter span of attention and a childish value system. Plone would
>> enable us to immediately give great encouragement to those who already have a
>> high value system for either 1. learning a language that will help them develop
>> job stills or 2. learning the Bible. But most children immediately elevate
>> "playful learning" to a higher value than either of these. Plone comes at a
>> much higher cost than Python, Java, or Scala but I do not think we will find
>> better options for playful learning in Plone.
>>
>> I would personally love to have a Plone Sword. But do you have a rich brother
>> who wants to pay for an immediate solution while we are waiting for the team to
>> build the most deployable solution. The children of Nias deserve the best
>> right now. There are no factories or hope for the kind of life they see on TV
>> available on the island. Three months and 2 days after the tsunami 80% of the
>> homes and 100% of the water supply was ruined by the 16th worst earthquake in
>> modern times. Some schools there are not yet rebuilt. One that was built by a
>> corrupt contractor has already fallen down. Google Nias
>> site:TheJakartaPost.com and read about the majority who lost their homes still
>> living in tents. You will also read of 1.2 million school dropouts per year
>> with the highest two concentrations in North Nias, South Nias, and neighboring
>> islands. Two days ago another child was killed by another earthquake that
>> injured several others. If you lived in these circumstances, you would really
>> welcome a rich brother's immediate solution to the language barrier. But a
>> team effort solution that could be deployed on a wider basis would be an almost
>> unimaginable blessing.
>> A Volunteer - Dr Stovall Foundation
>>
>> --- DJ Ortley <djortley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well, the reason I ask is that I am currently a *semi* Plone developer.
>>> I'm not very good at it, but I'm learning. I have some future plans in
>>> that area and I already have some low level success providing the Sword
>>> API to the internals of Plone. I asked my question to flush out any
>>> potential collaborators.
>>>
>>> For those following along, Plone is a CMS written on top of Zope. Its a
>>> web server written in Python built on top of an object oriented
>>> database. Lots of goodies and neat stuff, though a bit unwieldy at times.
>>>
>>> -DJ
>>>
>>> avolunteer DrStovallFoundation wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Users of Plone include Google, eBay, NASA, Lufthansa, Government of Hawaii,
>>>>
>>>> Novell, and the CIA. Unlike C++, Plone allows content producers to be
>>>> separated from all of the nasty internals that are expected of managers.
>>>> Therefore content producers can assist with Sword development about as
>>>> easy as writing a blog. Sword on Plone would enable many more people
>>>> to feel a sense of ownership and be motivated to contribute to Sword
>>>> content rather than hitting the fustration which results from the attitude
>>>> of everyone should just learn C++ if you want to become a developer.
>>>>
>>>> I am very interested. I only used Plone for a short time years ago. Plone
>>>>
>>>> has since made many improvements. So I really do not qualify as a Plone
>>>> person at the moment. But I am ready to take it up again if someone with
>>>> C++ skills is willing to help make content with morph and Strong's
>>>> available to Plone.
>>>> a volunteer - The Dr. Stovall Foundation
>>>>
>>>> --- DJ Ortley <djortley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Any Plone people out there?
>>>>>
>>>>> -DJ
>>>>>
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