[sword-devel] Hesychius

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Greg,
	You're amazing!!! I must have played with stuff for hours today trying 
to make sense from the wikimedia export docs.  I even downloaded some 
PyWikipediaBot python thingy but couldn't get it to run either (I am 
inept at python, so I wasn't surprised, though quite frustrated, 
nonetheless).   Thank you!!!  If this might make any difference, my 
personal interest in the lexicon, after it is usable by SWORD, is to 
build a synonyms database from the data.  If there is any indication in 
the data that a synonym for an entry is being listed, I would most 
appreciate a unique <seg type="x-synonym>, or some such.  Thank you 
again, so much, for your work.  I am very excited!

	-Troy.



Greg Hellings wrote:
> So yeah... I managed to grab the XML file from the Export (it's fun
> trying to do that on a webpage written in modern Greek when you're
> used to ancient Greek and you can't remember what the Koine word for
> "hyperlink" or "webpage is" :P).
> 
> It comes to a mere 4.2 MB file, so now the trick will be parsing the
> text that is wanted out of that and creating an OSIS from it.  The
> main problem with that is that the text from the file is placed inside
> of a tag with xml:space="preserve" attribute, and all of the HTML is
> encoded as entities underneath of that.  Therefore all of the
> structure of the actual data (other than the large groupings under
> alpha, beta, gamma, etc) is lost to an XML/XSL parsing combination.
> 
> Wish me luck... ::dives into a pile of libxml2::
> 
> --Greg Hellings
> 
> On 11/9/06, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org> wrote:
>> We had a contributer on IRC, today, post this link:
>>
>> http://el.wikisource.org/wiki/%CE%93%CE%BB%E1%BF%B6%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CE%B9
>>
>>
>> It looks promising.
>>
>> I know there is a way to download content in XML of a mediawiki site,
>> but have no experience doing so.
>>
>> Anyone want to take a shot at producing a SWORD Hesychius Lexicon, (or
>> even just a text file from this link?
>>
>>
>> Thanks for everyone's input and help.
>>
>>         -Troy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>>> I spoke yesterday both to Prof Hansen and to Prof Ian Cunningham (who is a collaborator of Hansen)
>>>
>>> http://www.csad.ox.ac.uk/CSAD/Hesychius/Hansen.html
>>>
>>> Prof Hansen mentioned the TLG and Prof Cunningham confirmed this + said further there is no electronic version of Hansen's work available. I understand that Hansen's work is published in de Gruyters' Sammlung Griechischer and Lateinischer Altertuemer
>>>
>>> http://www.degruyter.com/rs/174_AT_E_ED_ENU_h.cfm?rc=19992&id=SER-M1-WDG-HESYCH-B-19992&fg=AT
>>>
>>> - a copy of which I found here to buy:
>>>
>>> http://www.basis-buch.de/main-173503.html
>>>
>>> WRT the TLG. I read the licence in detail and bluntly said, they have no leg to stand upon to deny us using the texts:
>>>
>>> They already allowed us to do what we want to do on the base of the licence - even if they get now cold feet on direct questioning. That said, at least Schmidts edition is now public domain anyway and unless there are DMCA-restrictions everyone can copy it out of there anyway.  And outside of DMCA -alike legislation only the public domain-ness woudl appliy anyway.But IANAL etc.
>>>
>>> Wrt Latte/Hansen- I am not sure how far Latte's work would constitute an original work in its own right - I presume it does - but again the TLG licence does allow text extraction for scholarly work which is non-commercial.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>>> Datum: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:23:03 -0700
>>> Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" <scribe at crosswire.org>
>>> An: SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Hesychius
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>      Thank you for your time and info.  We have an ongoing dialog with UCI
>>>> regarding the use of the data from TLG.  They have denied our request
>>>> twice, but I am hoping a detailed third plea might solicit sympathy.
>>>>
>>>>      -Troy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>>>>> The TLG has though also the older edition by Schmidt which should be by
>>>> now public domain as it is 1861
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>>>>> Datum: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:59:02 +0100
>>>>> Von: "Peter von Kaehne" <refdoc at gmx.net>
>>>>> An: SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>>>> Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Hesychius
>>>>>
>>>>>> The TLG indeed contains parts of the Hesychius - Latte's work only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hansen's work is published on paper only in Germany. Electronic copies
>>>> are
>>>>>> not available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The TLG licence of the text is so that the work might be possible to
>>>>>> integrate - ie.e. commecial scholarly tools making use of teh whole
>>>> text are
>>>>>> forbidden but crosswire might be possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>>>>>> Datum: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:38:36 -0700
>>>>>> Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" <scribe at crosswire.org>
>>>>>> An: sword-devel at crosswire.org
>>>>>> Betreff: [sword-devel] Hesychius
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If anyone has the time to research where we can find an electronic
>>>> copy
>>>>>>> of Hesychius' Greek Lexicon, your efforts would be extremely valuable
>>>> to
>>>>>>> me right now.  I believe the TLG has a copy of it, but I currently
>>>> don't
>>>>>>> have easy access to the TLG.  Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   -Troy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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