[sword-devel] KJV2006 - 4th Beta

Joachim Ansorg nospam+sword-devel at joachim-ansorg.de
Thu Mar 30 00:07:26 MST 2006 

Hi,
thank you for taking the time to explain these things.
BibleTime 1.6 will (almost) work fine with the new KJV2006 module.
Limitations are in the formatting. As soon as Sword switches to verse elements 
in the text itself it should be easier to work with the osis texts.

Joachim

> Joachim Ansorg wrote:
> > Hi,
> > thank you for your continued work on the KJV module.
> >
> > I tested beta4 in BibleTime.
> > I fixes BibleTime to support milestones with type x-p. The paragraph
> > marker is now shown correctly in the text. Should that milestone also
> > start a newline or a new paragraph or just insert the marker?
>
> In the traditional printing of the KJV, every verse begins on a new line.
> The paragraph mark appears after the verse number.
>
> Since our user interfaces can provide a richer experience, we can do
> with it as we please.
>
> What I would suggest is that each paragraph start on a new line and
> perhaps have a blank line above it. You may wish to surround the
> paragraph marker with space to make the text more readable.
>
> I still have to validate the paragraphing as a cursory glance shows that
> we have many more paragraph markers than the 1769 version had.
> I will probably preserve them via something that should be ignored.
> (e.g. a different custom milestone.)
>
> > Multiple strongs for one word (e.g. created in Gen.1.1) are split by
> > space. I think the old module (other modules?) use | as split marker. Is
> > there any official guideline for the split marker?
>
> Yes. OSIS does not allow the | in lemma or morph. They do allow spaces.
>
> > The NT contains the morph prefix robinson. I ever thought this should be
> > used as a module name, at least we do in BT =)
>
> We had been using x-Strongs and x-Robinsons, but OSIS does not allow these.
>
> The prefix is an osis work prefex that is defined in the header element
> of the osisText element. It is not a module name. OSIS lets it be
> anything at all. But since the osis2mod process strips out the header
> element, we have to have a convention. I am using strong and robinson at
> Troy's suggestion.
>
> I think the sword engine already recognizes these.
>
> > Since it's lower case (the old one was Robinson I think) this doesn't
> > work. What is the right handling of a morph prefix? Are there any
> > official types defined (can't remember if there are some in the specs
> > right now).
>
> So far the only ones that have any real value are strongs and robinson.
> There is strongsMorph, but Chris is working on a module to replace that.
> When he gets it done, we may change the prefix to something more
> constructive, maybe "chris" ;)
>
> > Thank you for you help and work,
> > Joachim
> >
> >> L.Allan-pbio wrote:
> >>> Thanks for working on this.
> >>>
> >>> I would add a vote for providing KjvLite (with all or most of the
> >>> embedded tags removed.)
> >>
> >> Here you go: http://www.crosswire.org/~dmsmith/kjv2006/kjvlite.zip (If
> >> it is not there, check back later)
> >>
> >> I created it by running the following xsl. I left divineName,
> >> transChange, notes and q.
> >>
> >> If you don't want these, it is a trivial change from match="osis:w" to
> >> match="osis:w|osis:q" (or what ever you don't want.)
> >>
> >> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
> >> <xsl:stylesheet
> >>   version="1.0"
> >>   xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform"
> >>   xmlns:osis="http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace"
> >>
> >>
> >>   <xsl:output method="xml" indent="no"/>
> >>
> >>   <xsl:template match="osis:w"><xsl:apply-templates /></xsl:template>
> >>
> >>   <!-- ignore markup notes -->
> >>   <xsl:template match=" osis:note[@type = 'x-strongsMarkup'] |
> >> osis:milestone[@type = 'x-strongsMarkup']"/>
> >>
> >>   <!-- Copy all remaining nodes -->
> >>   <xsl:template match="@*|node()">
> >>     <xsl:copy>
> >>       <xsl:apply-templates select="@*"/>
> >>       <xsl:apply-templates/>
> >>     </xsl:copy>
> >>   </xsl:template>
> >>
> >> </xsl:stylesheet>
> >>
> >>> LcdBible does a one-time detagging of verses with a one-pass
> >>> state-machine defilter, and puts the entire contents in a 4 meg buffer
> >>> .... and "brute-force" strstr searches are about 10x - 50x faster.
> >>> I've been working on Boyer-Moore-Horspool searching, which can be
> >>> quite a bit faster once the search word(s) are four characters or
> >>> longer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DM Smith" <dmsmith555 at yahoo.com>
> >>> To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:59 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] KJV2006 - 4th Beta
> >>>
> >>>> L.Allan-pbio wrote:
> >>>>> DM,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I tried out the "raw" KJV2006-Beta-4 with sword.exe rc1 ....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> drum roll, please <g>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, nothing shows up. Am I providing "dummy checking" or otherwise
> >>>>> doing something wrong?
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess you are providing "dummy checking". (I'm the *dummy* for not
> >>>> actually testing this module! ;)
> >>>>
> >>>>> The KJV2006-ztext shows up ok, but not the raw vpl.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I try to look at nt and ot with a text editor, I'm getting a
> >>>>> message:
> >>>>> "nt" contains characters that do not exist in code page 1252 (ANSI -
> >>>>> Latin I). They will be converted to the system defualt character, if
> >>>>> you click ok."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After clicking ok, I'm still not seeing anything.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I looked at kjvraw.conf, and see that it is trying to use ztext:
> >>>>> [KJVraw]
> >>>>> DataPath=./modules/texts/rawtext/kjvraw/
> >>>>> ModDrv=zText
> >>>>> BlockType=BOOK
> >>>>> CompressType=ZIP
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I changed that to WEB settings, and it shows up ok.
> >>>>
> >>>> It was a cut and paste error in the conf. I fixed the conf and
> >>>> re-zipped the file. It should work now (still haven't tested it! :)
> >>>>
> >>>>> Mark 1:9 seems to be a reasonable length (was over 15000 before).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Line 7972 and 8275 are about 3800 characters long. There are a
> >>>>> number of verses that are nearly 3000 characters long.
> >>>>
> >>>> I took a look at the verse at line 7972 in the raw NT module and it
> >>>> seems reasonable. It is just the by-product of deep, rich markup.
> >>>>
> >>>> The nature of the strong's markup for the NT portion of the KJV2003
> >>>> module and preserved here is that every word in the TR is represented
> >>>> with a <w> tag.
> >>>> The form of the w tag supplies the following attributes:
> >>>>    src="n" where n contains the position of the Greek word in the TR.
> >>>>    lemma="strong:G1234" where it provides the strong's number that
> >>>> can be looked up in Strongs.
> >>>>    morph="robinson:T-ASM" where it provides the morphology code that
> >>>> can be looked up in Robinsons
> >>>> If the word is translated into a phrase and some of the words in the
> >>>> phase are not from it then the <w> tag is split into several
> >>>> non-adjacent parts and each of these has extra attributes:
> >>>>    type="x-split"
> >>>>    subType="x-n" where n is the "split" number. (Not sure what it
> >>>> means or how it was derived, or how it is used, if at all)
> >>>> For Greek words that are not translated, the <w> element is fully
> >>>> attributed but empty. Its position in the verse may be anywhere.
> >>>> Additionally, in the KJV words that are in italics in the print
> >>>> version are represented with <transChange type="added">added
> >>>> words</transChange>
> >>>> And if the verse contains a quote from Jesus, it is marked up as well.
> >>>> Most verses in the NT part of the module also have elements
> >>>> representing an audit trail.
> >>>> There may be other markup.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are over 50 word from the Greek being represented in the verse.
> >>>> There are a lot of italic words.
> >>>> The verse contains a quote  of Jesus.
> >>>>
> >>>> So yes, length seems long, but it is very reasonable.
> >>>>
> >>>>> HTH,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DM Smith" <dmsmith555 at yahoo.com>
> >>>>> To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum"
> >>>>> <sword-devel at crosswire.org> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:22 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [sword-devel] KJV2006 - 4th Beta
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> YAB (yet another beta) (downloadable from the links at the bottom
> >>>>>> of http://www.crosswire.org/~dmsmith/kjv2006)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Again, I really value your input and the time you take to evaluate
> >>>>>> these betas.
> >>>>>
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