[sword-devel] SWIG Bindings

Greg Marine gregmarine at gmail.com
Mon Feb 6 19:27:08 MST 2006 

Oh, and I would love to see this work with Mono. IMHO, making it compatible
with just MS .NET would be my first priority, though. That is because there
are 2 great Linux Sword projects. But, if it will work with Mono, that would
be great too!

On 2/6/06, Greg Marine <gregmarine at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't done this yet, but you can build .NET 1.1 and 1.0 with VS2005.
> The following link has the how-to:
>
> http://weblogs.asp.net/rmclaws/archive/2005/06/04/410360.aspx
>
>
> On 2/6/06, Wade Maxfield <wmaxfield at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >   C# is an ECMA language.  Mono fully supports that language in version
> > 1.1.  The version 2.0 is not there yet, if I remember correctly. (http://www.mono-project.com
> > )
> >
> >   The key difference between mono and Microsoft's implementation is that
> > Microsoft supports Windows Forms.  Mono does not yet support Windows Forms.
> > They implemented a GTK situation, which is also available under Windows.
> >
> >   Therefore, for now, an application that works with version 1.1 under
> > XP, if written to Windows Forms, does not work on Linux.
> >
> >    However, that is changing.  Novell should have a Windows Forms
> > implementation working in the next few months.  They welcome developer help
> > with the project.
> >
> >    It is my opinion that the Sword project can be implemented in Windows
> > Forms for now, using 1.1 (Not 2.0) and then, once Windows Forms work
> > under Linux, then port it to linux.  Some of your Assembly libraries will
> > have to be recompiled, and some controls might have to be re-written or
> > re-implemented.
> >
> >   2.0 introduces too many changes to be forward compatible back to 1.1(I know, weird terminology), even when being careful.  In addition, if you
> > compile to bytecode under 2.0, it will not work under the 1.1 CLR.  You
> > have to compile to the runtime version you need to work under, using the
> > 1.1 compiler for the 1.1 CLR (common language runtime).
> >
> >   If you compile using the 1.1 mono compiler, the bytecode will work
> > with the .NET framework under Windows. It will also work with the CLR under
> > Linux, unless the library support is not there for the function you chose to
> > use in the code.  I haven't tried it, but I believe the reverse is true.  I
> > think that if you compile with the .NET compiler from Microsoft, you get
> > bytecode that works on Linux.
> >
> >     2.0 CLR can execute 1.1 runtime in some cases, although I think you
> > have to have the 1.1 framework installed for that to happen. It may be
> > the CLR hands off to the older version.  Also, the 1.1 framework can
> > co-exist on the same machine the 2.0 framework is on (especially if you
> > only install the runtime .NET framework.)  There does not yet seem to be any
> > downside to writing to the 1.1 version for maximum portablility (except
> > for the fact you don't get some of the updated functionality from the
> > 2.0 library.)
> >
> >
> >   In addition, Borland puts out the 1.0 version of their C# builder
> > personal for free.  You just have to download it. (http://www.borland.com/downloads/download_csharpbuilder.html )
> > and register it. (get the "personal download edition") It can be used for
> > non commercial projects.  It works with the 1.1 framework, I've used
> > it.  I recommend getting it soon, it may go away.
> >
> >   Also, you can get the free SharpDevelop IDE for Windows from (
> > http://icsharpcode.net).  It has some bugs, and CANNOT do step by step
> > debug (in version that was first written for 1.1).  Borland's IDE CAN do
> > step by step debug for .NET 1.1 in its IDE 1.0 version.  Version 2.0 of
> > SharpDevelop can do debug, but it's support of 1.1 is problematic.
> >
> >   I have used the Free Visual Studio Express for C# on my system.  It is
> > available for free download. (http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx).
> >
> >
> > There are only 3 downsides:
> >      1) it won't do 1.1 development
> >
> >      2)  I've had my Windows 2000 box spontaneously reboot while working
> > in the IDE.  Twice.  In one day.  I fixed this by bringing up an XP vmware
> > box and using it there.  No problems under XP that I've seen.
> >
> >      3) installing it alongside Borland C# IDE 1.0 messes up Borland's
> > IDE.  The help system changes significantly by installing .NET 2.0 and
> > it craters Borland.  I have not figured out how to fix that issue.  Some
> > online recommendations did not work for me.
> >
> >
> >   My recommendation for cross-compatibility (to WindowS, Mac OSX,
> > Linux) is to do version 1.1 of .NET, and then port up to 2.0 some time
> > in the future (after Microsoft patches it a few times, and Linux supports
> > it).  I backed away from 2.0 down to 1.1 for all of the reasons
> > aforementioned.
> >
> >    God Bless you for your efforts.
> >
> > wade
> >
> >
> > On 2/6/06, Greg Hellings < greg.hellings at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Working under mono/gcc would be a good goal for XP (as in
> > > cross-platform, not as in WinXP) programs.  However, since the goal of Mono
> > > (I think) is to be compatible with C# and not vice-versa, if you don't have
> > > Mono support you might not be too bad off, since Mono might come around
> > > closer to C#/.NET compatibility.
> > >
> > > --Greg
> > >
> > > On 2/6/06, Jason Turner < lefticus at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am curious who all out there is currently using the SWIG bindings
> > > > for sword, with which languages? I am also wondering what the
> > > > current
> > > > need/desire is to have the CSharp version working with mono and gcc?
> > > >
> > > > God Bless,
> > > > Jason
> > > >
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