[sword-devel] how to get strongs numbers from KJV2003 module?

[Troy A. Griffitts]

John,
	Your output is incorrect for the KJV module in OSIS format.  If this is 
truly the output from mod2osis, then we have a bug; otherwise, you need 
to recheck the output and repost here.

	For OSIS (regarless of what our tool outputs... what it SHOULD output 
is...) the <w> tag SURROUNDS the annotated word or phrase, and includes 
a lemma attribute, and a morph attribute which comment on those aspects 
of the annotated word or phrase.  e.g.

<w lemma="1234" morph="Proper Noun">John Walther</w>

each attribute can prefix domain information to their data:

<w lemma="cool_names:1234" morph="my_grammar:Proper Noun">John Walther</w>


We should use strong:G1234 to give you the strongs number, and likely 
robinson:N-GSM for a Robinson's morph code (Noun- Genative, Singular, 
Masculine)

I hope this helps.  Please let us know if you are truely NOT getting 
something like lemma="strong:G1234" in the output.

	-Troy.



John Walther wrote:
>>> If someone can show me how diatheke is retrieving the strong's numbers,
>>> I'd be happy to trace the code back from there.
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I am not of much help here. I program JSword, not Sword.
> 
> 
> Thanks DM, it seems a little clearer, but still not in any way that
> helps me to programmatically convert a <w > tag pair to into a strong's
> number.
> 
> Are there any diatheke authors present?
> 
> I cannot just parse diatheke output, but I need to know which section of
> text the strong's number applys to, not just the approximate region
> where it is found.
> 
>> By the way, what are you going to do once you get the Strong's number?
> 
> 
> Highlight the word or phrase that the number corresponds to.
> 
> John
> 
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 07:49:02AM -0400, DM Smith wrote:
> 
>> John Walther wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 08:10:51PM -0400, DM Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> N-GSM keys into Robinsons module to give the part of speech.
>>>> Likewise for THxxxx. These are Thayer's numbers, but there is not a 
>>>> Thayer's module yet.
>>>>
>>>> Strong's numbers are of the form:
>>>> lemma="x-Strongs:H03092" in the OT
>>>> and
>>>> lemma="x-Strongs:G3588" in the NT
>>>> Note that the numbers start with H for Hebrew and G for Greek.
>>>>
>>>> In other modules you may find:
>>>> lemma="strong:G4091"
>>>> (Troy has suggested that this be the form for all new modules.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks DM, it does help a bit.  But I'm still lost.  I'm a really raw
>>> Sword newbie.  How can I take something like
>>>   robinson:N-GSM,x-Robinson:N-GSM,4
>>> and get the appropriate strongs number from it?
>>
>>
>> You can't. It is not a strongs number but a Greek morphology reference.
>> the N-GSM can be used as a key for lookup in the module robinson.
>>
>>>
>>> Is there a library function I can use?  I tried looking at how diatheke
>>> did it, but it looks like the all the functionality is hidden away
>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>> And since x-StrongsMorph:TH8686 is not a Strong's number after all, how
>>> do I get the strong's number from it?  Is there a library function?
>>
>>
>> This also is not a Strongs number but a Hebrew morphology reference. 
>> There is no Thayer's module.
>>
>> For those of the form lemma="[x-Strongs|strong]:[GH][0-9]{1-5}" I 
>> think you will need to parse the field yourself.
>> Also, the lemma can list more than one Strongs number. In this case 
>> they are separated by a space, ' ' or a pipe, '|'.
>> According to Troy, a space is what should be used in the future.
>>
>> If you are going to do a lookup, you use the G or H to determine which 
>> module to use.
>> Then you take the number and 0 fill it to 5 characters and use that as 
>> a lookup key.
>>
>>>
> John
> 
>>> God bless.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>>> Hi.  When I run mod2osis I get nice strongs numbers for the old
>>>>> testament, but when I get to the new testament, I get this sort of
>>>>> thing:
>>>>>
>>>>>    lemma="robinson:N-GSM" morph="x-Robinson:N-GSM" src="4"
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, even in the Old Testament, I'm not sure what to do; how do I get
>>>>> the strongs number from something like this:
>>>>>
>>>>>    lemma="strongMorph:TH8686" morph="x-StrongsMorph:TH8686"
>>>>>
>>>>> How do I turn those fields and arguments into actual strong's numbers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help will be appreciated.  I'm trying to add some Strong's type
>>>>> capabilities to the command line "bible-kjv" program that comes with
>>>>> Debian.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>
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