From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 1 19:00:55 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (sword-devel@crosswire.org) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 14:00:55 EST Subject: [sword-devel] would like list of KJV errors Message-ID: <127.37fb49d4.2d25c867@aol.com> --part1_127.37fb49d4.2d25c867_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Alexander, Came across your name in a google search for KJV errors. Please send me any list you have or any working manuscript. I will keep it confid. My interest is in truth. Thank you Michael Hooten 219 Sweetmartha Drive Mooresville, NC 28115 704-891-6569 --part1_127.37fb49d4.2d25c867_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Alexander,
Came  across your name in a google search for KJV errors.
Please send me any list you have or any working manuscript.
I will keep it confid.
My interest is in truth.

Thank you

Michael Hooten
219 Sweetmartha Drive
Mooresville, NC  28115
704-891-6569 --part1_127.37fb49d4.2d25c867_boundary-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 2 09:07:16 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Adrian Frost) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:07:16 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] LcdBible 0.92c beta available Message-ID: <005201c3d10f$d21aeb40$ce9d88d9@skynet.be> Hello All, First off would like to say hello as I've just joined the list having downloaded The SWORD Project for Windows after struggling with other bible software for a while. I'm an English missionary working in Belgium who so far has been using the SWORD Project software every day since finding it - very useful. This reply is in response to Lynn Allan's posting about LcdBible 0.92c beta. I'm running the software on a Pentium 266 laptop at 800x600 with a 3GB drive and 160Mb of RAM, Win 98 (First Edition with Service Pack to get it up to SE standard). Connection to net is via ADSL so not everything is totally obselete Comments on: Download - no problems there. Installation - no problems only comment would be that it would be nice to have an "I've finished" notice when the app is installed. I wondered if something had failed as it installed so quick and then... nothing. First impressions - Start up was practically instant. Clean and simple which I'm guessing is what you're hoping for. The tree view down the left hand side is really nice. Makes everything nice and accessible. After first start up, clicking the collapse '-' by Matthew caused the screen to refresh but no collapse occured. Clicking again collapsed the tree - only happens once per session. I tried searches too and was pleased with the speed of the searches. Tried the obvious - "Jesus" which returned 934 results in about 5 seconds. Only thing I couldn't find was how to get to all the results. I was presented with results only from the Gospels - nothing beyond that and no obvious way to page through the results. When searching it is nice having the count and search terms used at the top but couldn't quite see the point of 'From:' It's nice that search is automatically by phrase without having to mess with AND even though the app does seem to support that kind of querying too (if I'm right...) Some general thoughts: would be nice to be able to maximise the window. If you're targetting those of us with 800x600 screens it seems a shame not to make use of all that (limited) space. Hope these comments are of some use and also that this posts correctly since I've never used a mailing list before. Adrian Frost From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 2 20:31:41 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Dan Adams) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:31:41 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] NIV Bugs Message-ID: <002901c3d16f$6e9046f0$3c00000a@daninfochi> Hi, Over time, I have reported several NIV module related bugs, partially in the hope and knowledge that when Zondervan releases the copyright so that it may be freely distributed to share the word of God, when I have shared these notices I have never heard anything relating to who works with that text. Is there someone working with it? Unfortunately, with the sword stuff, I am better able to help as a tester, rather than a developer. Also, would whoever prefer for me to report NIV related bugs and for other modules or to send them a private e-mail? Dan Adams - church@infochi.com http://www.infochi.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 2 21:43:49 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:43:49 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] LcdBible 0.93d 'Release Candidate' available References: <20040102190001.5797.43750.Mailman@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <002201c3d179$8307f290$0200a8c0@k2> Hi sword-devel'opers, There is a revised 'Release Candidate' for LcdBible at: http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lcdbible/LcdBibleSetup-0-93d.exe or http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/lcdbible/LcdBibleSetup-0-93d.exe?download The source code (.cpp's, .h's, project .dsp's & .dsw's, VisTest scripts, etc.) is at: http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lcdbible/LcdBible-src-0-93d.zip or http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/lcdbible/LcdBible-src-0-93d.zip?download I would very much appreciate feedback (suggestions, problems, etc.) from downloading, installing, and testing the files referenced below. SourceForge lcdbible Project Description: "Easy to use Bible s/w for children/missionaries who have obsolete computers with LCD (Lowest Common Denominator) components (Pent 233, slow 1 gb drive, 800*600 res, 32 mb mem, broken CD, 28.8 modem, Win98-SE or later). LcdBibleSetup.exe to fit on 1.44 floppy with WEB-NT." Progress since 2003-Dec-31 0.92c Beta: * Rearranged main dialog to improve Search functionality * Options button to activate "Search and Fontsize Options" dialog * New Search option includes: - exact word(s) or partial words(s) * Visual Test "robot" script for XP regression testing over 1300 LOC Caveats: * User interface is crude ... bland and not particularly Win32 standardized Plans for subsequent release: * Modeless dialog for search options * Context sensitive menus for font size and search options * More flexible searching planned - incremental search (positions to first 'find' as user types) - "Span two verses" rather than within single verse * Stubs for context sensitive help * Use entire WEB Bible with OT rather than just NT. Should still easily fit on 1.44 meg floppy From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 3 05:28:46 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:28:46 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] NIV Bugs In-Reply-To: <002901c3d16f$6e9046f0$3c00000a@daninfochi> References: <002901c3d16f$6e9046f0$3c00000a@daninfochi> Message-ID: <3FF6530E.2070700@crosswire.org> For bugs in publicly available modules, you can post reports here. Since there are a number of people who have made modules and that's the best way to ensure that the actual creator gets the notice. Errors in locked modules don't need to be reported anywhere because we won't be updating them at all unless they become publicly available. And when they do, they will be rebuilt from publisher-supplied documents. --Chris Dan Adams wrote: > Hi, > Over time, I have reported several NIV module related bugs, > partially in the hope and knowledge that when Zondervan releases the > copyright so that it may be freely distributed to share the word of God, > when I have shared these notices I have never heard anything relating to who > works with that text. Is there someone working with it? Unfortunately, with > the sword stuff, I am better able to help as a tester, rather than a > developer. Also, would whoever prefer for me to report NIV related bugs and > for other modules or to send them a private e-mail? > > Dan Adams - church@infochi.com > http://www.infochi.com > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 3 20:13:29 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Adrian Frost) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:13:29 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] RE: LcdBible 0.93d 'Release Candidate' available Message-ID: <002e01c3d236$0e4b7900$2275f051@skynet.be> More thoughts on LcdBible since 0.92c: Moving the search text box to the top is most welcome. Having more room to type in is great. Load times and overall speed are as previously commented on: excellent. Was most surprised to find all the options for searching on right clicking the taskbar button for LcdBible. Hadn't discovered them in 0.92c. I have to say I don't really like having the menu pop up that way as it goes totally against the grain - particularly as the menu collapses after making each change. Having the 'close' option moved right to the top of the list rather than being at the bottom is annoying (I get frustrated with .chm help files for the same reason as they add to the right click menu and move 'close' - gets me every time.) A couple of other things that don't really detract from the app but make it look less polished than 0.92c (IMO) are the new 'Exit' button directly below the 'X' for closing the window - seems superfluous. Not being able to move the window without right clicking seems odd - particularly as 0.92c didn't show this behaviour. I hope these comments don't sound harsh and that they're also of some use. The idea is great and having an app that I can load and search in quickly is going to be really useful. Best regards Adrian Frost From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 5 03:19:49 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Keith Ralston) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:19:49 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] OPPORTUNITIES In-Reply-To: <3FE34168.3080105@crosswire.org> Message-ID: I have been looking at the Hebrew macros. I figured out how to find the text he has in the documents. I cannot get a handle on inserting the Unicode. I have Ezra SIL with Tavultesoft's Keyman that I use to write Hebrew. I have a good map for what the Unicode needs to be for Hebrew. I am stumped on inserting the Unicode into a Word doc using the macro language. If anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate it. > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts > Sent: Fri, December 19, 2003 12:20 PM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] OPPORTUNITIES > > > With the recent influx of opportunities to serve organizations, we've > added a wiki 'Opportunities' board. Please have a look, and just a > reminder: We still have 2 open VBA opportunities to serve and a Python > opportunity in the works: > > http://www.crosswire.org/ucgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/Opportunities > > If you forget the URL, it's displayed prominently from the main > wiki web at: > > http://crosswire.org/wiki > > > Thank you for considering serving our Lord together with us. > > -Troy A. Griffitts. > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 5 03:59:13 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 20:59:13 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] OPPORTUNITIES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FF8E111.4020905@crosswire.org> Keith, Excited that you have made progress on this! Here is the best I could find: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/modcore/html/deovrtherangeobject.asp Along the left it talks about creating one of these objects that is specified by a start and end character in a doc, and how to manipulate the text that it is assigned to. It's my best guess. -Troy. Keith Ralston wrote: > I have been looking at the Hebrew macros. I figured out how to find the > text he has in the documents. I cannot get a handle on inserting the > Unicode. I have Ezra SIL with Tavultesoft's Keyman that I use to write > Hebrew. I have a good map for what the Unicode needs to be for Hebrew. I > am stumped on inserting the Unicode into a Word doc using the macro > language. If anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate it. > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts >>Sent: Fri, December 19, 2003 12:20 PM >>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>Subject: [sword-devel] OPPORTUNITIES >> >> >>With the recent influx of opportunities to serve organizations, we've >>added a wiki 'Opportunities' board. Please have a look, and just a >>reminder: We still have 2 open VBA opportunities to serve and a Python >>opportunity in the works: >> >>http://www.crosswire.org/ucgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/Opportunities >> >>If you forget the URL, it's displayed prominently from the main >>wiki web at: >> >>http://crosswire.org/wiki >> >> >>Thank you for considering serving our Lord together with us. >> >> -Troy A. Griffitts. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 5 11:33:18 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 04:33:18 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] LcdBible 0.93d 'Release Candidate' available References: <20040104190001.20734.54541.Mailman@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000e01c3d37f$b8617d50$0200a8c0@k2> Hi Adrian, Thanks for your kind and encouraging words about LcdBible. Your computer is pretty much exactly the 'audience' computer I'm partially targetting ... relatively if not thoroughly obsolete (donated computers that American churches finally give away). I'm pleased/relieved it seems to install and launch very quickly. I've tested on a 450mhz Win2000 computer, but not a 266 Win98. Since the original proposal, I'm also trying to maximize it's usability by grade school kids ... L)ittle C)hildren D)evoted to the Bible. I think people who aren't particularly computer literate are more or less baffled by most Bible software. 90+% of the time, I only use "Go-To" a particular chapter, or "Search" for one to three words. That's pretty much all that LcdBible implements. I've done some Palm and Pocket-PC programming, and you adjust your mind-set to implement a minimal feature set. > Installation - no problems only comment would be that it > would be nice to have an "I've finished" notice when the > app is installed. I wondered if something had failed as it > installed so quick and then... nothing. Good point. Other people have suggested this. Easy to change with nsis. I'll probably just "launch" LcdBible. > After first start up, clicking the collapse '-' by Matthew > caused the screen to refresh but no collapse occured. Clicking again > collapsed the tree - only happens once per session. Will investigate. Should be easy to fix. Thx. > I tried searches too and was pleased with the speed of the searches. Tried > the obvious - "Jesus" which returned 934 results in about 5 seconds. The 5 seconds seems kind of slow. Does it make a difference if you defrag? How about the second time doing the same search? I'll probably go to direct memory mapping, but the sword-api does a disk seek + read for each verse. The drive cache on older Windows o/s may not accomplish this like Nt, Win2000, and WinXp. On a test 450mhz Win2000 system, the first and subsequent finds are much less than a second (1/10? 1/100? or so). I've got a DriveImage of Win98-FE I'll put on the 450 mhz system and re-check. On a reasonably modern computer, the Search seems fast enough to try to implement "Incremental Searching". It may be able to keep up with "f.o.r...g.o.d...s" and find only John 3:16 between key strokes. "Phrase" and "Any Word" searching is fastest, "Exact Words" is slowest. From what I can tell, the LcdBible searching seems about 100x faster than BibleCS. > Only thing I couldn't find was how to get to all the results. I was presented > with results only from the Gospels - nothing beyond that and no obvious way > to page through the results. > When searching it is nice having the count and search terms used at the top > but couldn't quite see the point of 'From:' LcdBible gets enough "finds" to fill about 20 pages of results, and then only counts the additional "hits". You can use the scroll bar on the right of the "Text Viewer" for additional pages. There are options to "Search from Beginning (Matthew 1 for now)" or "Search from Current Chapter". To get additional "Jesus" verses, you can go to Mark 10, and search again. The whole "Search" presentation has lots of room for improvement. I may go to something like Costas Stergiou's excellent "The Word" or the BibleCS approach. The Search should present the "hits" with "Tool-Tips" and direct "Go-To" for the one you want. > Was most surprised to find all the options for searching on right clicking > the taskbar button for LcdBible. Hadn't discovered them in 0.92c. LcdBible is getting new features every week or so. The proposal was 2003-Dec-01. The first alpha was Dec 9. The first beta was Dec 24. There is now an "Options" dialog with all the "Preferences" that were in the "hold-your-nose" SysMenu. Also, "Search for Exact Word(s)" is implemented (generation is different from generations is different from regeneration, etc.) Currently, it only uses the WEB New Testament. LcdBible has a goal of fitting on a 1.44 meg floppy (mostly for quick downloads). I originally thought that would only allow the NT, but it won't be difficult to fit the WEB Old Testament within that "budget". > Not being able to move the window without right clicking seems odd - > particularly as 0.92c didn't show this behaviour. fixed. There is a 59kb ver 0.93e version with just the revised exe at: http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lcdbible/LcdBibleExeSetup-0-93e.exe > It's nice that search is automatically by phrase without having to mess with > AND even though the app does seem to support that kind of querying too (if > I'm right...) All of these are preference options, except "regular expressions" aren't supported. You can select "All Words" or "Any Word" if you aren't sure of spelling (e.g. enoch enock eknock). These "preferences" are remembered in the registry from session to session. > Some general thoughts: would be nice to be able to maximise the > window. If you're targetting those of us with 800x600 screens it > seems a shame not to make use of all that (limited) space. Mfc doesn't provide for a "layout manager" like Java and more modern gui frameworks. You can RMB change the font size of the TextViewer, but that is about it. I think LcdBible uses pretty much all of a 800*600 resolution, as that was my target. I don't think it would be usable on a 640*480 monitor. I've had other people suggest more flexible layout and will probably do something in a subsequent release. Mfc was chosen because I can pretty much depend on any Win98 or later computer having mfc42.dll and mvscrt.dll. The download is therefore minimized, expecially for updates to just the .exe (only 59kb including nsis installer overhead). The OtherBibleSoftwareApp.exe of other freeware I've looked at runs from 2.2 meg to 5.3 meg (uncompressed). The installation of the "Started Set" tends to be about 10 meg. My impression is that the telephone systems in many/most 3rd world countries tend to be unreliable and expensive. The 400kb self-contained LcdBible should download in less than 2 minutes, even with a slooooooow 28.8 POTS modem. A 10 meg download might cost many dollars if it would download at all without losing connection. > I hope these comments don't sound harsh and that they're also of some use. > The idea is great and having an app that I can load and search in quickly is > going to be really useful. Not at all ... very appreciated. It's probably premature to call 0.93e a "Release Candidate". There is all kinds of room for improvement. I try to use most aspects of X)treme P)rogramming, which encourages "Release Early, Release Often". Since the 2003-Dec-02 POC, there have been about seven releases, not counting some internationalized prototypes. I've now got a 1300+ LOC Visual Test script for "robotic gui testing" so refactoring and new features shouldn't be too painful. It takes about 30 seconds to go thru a series of tests that would take about an hour by hand, and be very tedious and error-prone. You might send your eMail and further comments done "offline" to not clutter up the sword-devel list. LcdBible is an "unofficial sword front-end using an experimental plug-in subset of the sword-api". It may or may not be approved by the sword-maintainers for being part of CrossWire. > Adrian Frost For His glory and honor, Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 3 20:28:57 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (abidjanforjesus.net) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:28:57 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] how kan i start Message-ID: <3FF72609.8060703@abidjanforjesus.net> How kan i start. I have allready download the samples and study them. I need to now where to start. God bless From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 5 14:08:31 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Adrian & Naomi Frost) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:08:31 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] LcdBible 0.93d 'Release Candidate' available References: <20040104190001.20734.54541.Mailman@www.crosswire.org> <000e01c3d37f$b8617d50$0200a8c0@k2> Message-ID: <004801c3d395$688c0320$f996c850@skynet.be> Lynn, Thanks for the reply. I shall take further conversation off list but do hope that LcdBible gets recognised as an offical SWORD Project frontend for Windows. 0.93e looks good. Adrian From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 5 14:50:07 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:50:07 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] LcdBible 0.93g 'Release Candidate' available Message-ID: <002b01c3d39b$37584830$0200a8c0@k2> Hello Adrian (and Barry Drake) There is YALR (yet another LcdBible release) ver 0.93g at: http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lcdbible/LcdBibleExeSetup.exe or http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/lcdbible/LcdBibleExeSetup.exe?download This is just a replacement executable (without rawtext modules ... assumed to be previously installed) > > Installation - no problems only comment would be that it > > would be nice to have an "I've finished" notice when the > > app is installed. I wondered if something had failed as it > > installed so quick and then... nothing. Fixed. If successful install, launches LcdBible > > After first start up, clicking the collapse '-' by Matthew > > caused the screen to refresh but no collapse occured. Clicking again > > collapsed the tree - only happens once per session. Mostly fixed. I was trying to outsmart CTreeCtrl Expand/Collapse logic without realizing that this functionality is built into the mfc tree control. Duhhhh. I removed the logic, but still the registry "remembers" the last Book-Chapter you were looking at. This is a quick patch, and I'll look at some refinements later. It's not clear whether there is any advantage to re-opening to the same book-chap from the previous session??? Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 5 15:23:50 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Adrian Frost) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:23:50 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] The SWORD Project for Windows 1.5.6 - bugs and comments Message-ID: <001801c3d39f$ee703e20$f996c850@skynet.be> Hello, I've been using The SWORD Project for Windows for about a week now after switching from another bible software app. I'm hoping that as a user I'll be of some use in finding bugs and commenting on stuff - it's about all I'll be able to contribute as I have no programming skills (although I've done a fair amount of web stuff - HTML, ASP, XML and UI development for Web apps) Anyway, onto TSP for Windows. First off; I like it a lot. It is fast to load and doesn't eat system resources (the downfall of the last app I was using) The help file is very good too. I've picked up a number of things that I think may be bugs, a few things that come under "hmmm, why does it do that?" and a couple of ideas for other stuff. I'm using version 1.5.6 on Windows 98 FE. PC is a Pentium 266 laptop with 3Gb HD and 160Mb of RAM. Screen res is 800x600 - it's fairly outdated but does the job required. Bugs: Scroll bar often disappears from the key list for dictionaries. (Maximised window at 800x600) If the window is resized the scroll bar re-appears. Words of Christ in red toggle does not work for WEB module. Hebrew Strong's pop-ups over verse numbers occasionally (I think this may appear elsewhere on the dev list) Things that make you go hmmm.... These things may simply come down to personal preference and may be designed behaviour in some cases. Others may just be GUI nit-picking :-) After installing modules using FTP and Install Manager the new modules do not appear without re-starting SWORD Auto-following of the mouse cursor is at times irritating as focus sometimes jumps away from controls for no apparent reason. To copy any text you still have to click into the required area. In search window "Create VerseList from result" should probably be "Create Verse List from result" to follow its use elsewhere? After using and closing the search window the next time it is used "scope" is as previously used but, presuming that a custom range had been selected before, the range drop-down is blank - means no search is performed - this one stumped me for a few moments - not long but enough to wonder why search didn't appear to be working. If the search window is minimised it disappears entirely but when the search button is clicked the search window reappears as a small bar at the bottom of the screen that needs to be maximised. Verse spin wheel runs ..3..2..1..0.. would it be better to jump straight back to previous chapter? All the linked commentaries are affected too - do so i.e. turning up Php 3:0 in the verse controls brings up Php 3:0 in the commentary window until you click a new tab for a different commentary at which point you get Php 2:30. Works fine going up the verse numbers. Some ideas: Using the verse spin buttons it would be nice to be able to tab from chapter to verse and have the chapter update, type in the verse hit enter and have the ref come up rather than having to use mouse and keyboard Also if entering something like Gen 26:34-27:41 in the Freehand Verse Key (a real life example...) it would be nice if the whole passage came up rather than having to jump back to the verse controls to move into chapter 27. Right clicking and having 'Select this Verse' when in the bible window whilst the cursor is in a verse that then selects verse and changes Verse controls would be very useful. I hope this isn't too much in one go - I've been saving them up so that I could make sure they were real thoughts and issues not just a gut reaction to using a new app. i really love this app - it's being used every day for a variety of bits and pieces in my job - having access to English and French translations on the computer is great - I work in Belgium as an assistant pastor in a French speaking church. Thankyou for making this app available. Adrian Frost From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 5 16:14:22 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:14:22 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] how kan i start In-Reply-To: <3FF72609.8060703@abidjanforjesus.net> References: <3FF72609.8060703@abidjanforjesus.net> Message-ID: <200401051714.22346.mg.pub@gmx.net> Hi, what are your skills, how much time do you have? Martin Am Samstag, 3. Januar 2004 21:28 schrieb abidjanforjesus.net: > How kan i start. I have allready download the samples and study them. I > need to now where to start. > God bless > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 5 19:55:06 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:55:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] The SWORD Project for Windows 1.5.6 - bugs and comments In-Reply-To: <001801c3d39f$ee703e20$f996c850@skynet.be> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Adrian Frost wrote: > Anyway, onto TSP for Windows. First off; I like it a lot. It is fast to load > and doesn't eat system resources (the downfall of the last app I was using) The Sword Project for Windows load times vary with the number of modules you have installed. Unfortunately, it DOESN'T scale very well, and load times can get very bad if you have hundreds of modules installed (just as with other software). Luckily, most people don't install hundreds of modules. > Bugs: > Scroll bar often disappears from the key list for dictionaries. (Maximised > window at 800x600) If the window is resized the scroll bar re-appears. Not a bug. The dictionary key list only holds the next/previous 10 entries (or something like that). If that number of keys fits in the window, the scroll bar disappears. > Words of Christ in red toggle does not work for WEB module. I'd like to go on record as saying I wasn't in favor of this toggle. And when it was added, I also opposed publicising it as a feature. Why? Because if you advertise a feature, users have an expectation that it will work. And in order for this one to work, all modules with Words of Christ in red need to be updated. > After installing modules using FTP and Install Manager the new modules do > not appear without re-starting SWORD Yep. Sword and the InstallMgr are two different programs and they don't communicate. If they did, all InstallMgr would do is tell Sword to restart. Do you think it would be better if InstallMgr required that Sword not be running? (This is what Logos does.) The alternative is to force users to restart after an update (like BibleWorks). We only require a restart if you want to see your new materials. Maybe just a message box to that effect would suffice. > Verse spin wheel runs ..3..2..1..0.. would it be better to jump straight > back to previous chapter? All the linked commentaries are affected too - do > so i.e. turning up Php 3:0 in the verse controls brings up Php 3:0 in the > commentary window until you click a new tab for a different commentary at > which point you get Php 2:30. Works fine going up the verse numbers. Verse 0 is the chapter introduction kludge. This needs some work, true. > Also if entering something like Gen 26:34-27:41 in the Freehand Verse Key (a > real life example...) it would be nice if the whole passage came up rather > than having to jump back to the verse controls to move into chapter 27. Not going to happen under the current architecture. > I hope this isn't too much in one go - I've been saving them up so that I > could make sure they were real thoughts and issues not just a gut reaction > to using a new app. i really love this app - it's being used every day for a > variety of bits and pieces in my job - having access to English and French > translations on the computer is great - I work in Belgium as an assistant > pastor in a French speaking church. Keep the suggestions coming. Hopefully someone else will address some of the items that I didn't. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 5 21:36:36 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Adrian Frost) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:36:36 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] The SWORD Project for Windows 1.5.6 - bugs and comments References: Message-ID: <007401c3d3d3$ffd7d180$f996c850@skynet.be> Chris, Thanks for the swift response. > The Sword Project for Windows load times vary with the number of modules > you have installed. Unfortunately, it DOESN'T scale very well, and load > times can get very bad if you have hundreds of modules installed (just as > with other software). Luckily, most people don't install hundreds of > modules. I had a similar number of modules loaded in the last app (about 25) and load time was an order of magnitude slower. The bigger problem was that resources got eaten up to the point I couldn't have more than a couple of windows open at a time. > Not a bug. The dictionary key list only holds the next/previous 10 > entries (or something like that). If that number of keys fits in the > window, the scroll bar disappears. Sorry, ignorance on my part as to how things are setup. I'll be more careful what I label a bug.... > And in order for this one to work, all modules with Words of Christ > in red need to be updated. I did wonder if this was a module thing rather than an app thing. With regards to InstallMgr I guess I'd prefer to see a forced restart - if I could click a button have it all close down and then restart it self that would be cool. A messagebox giving an option to restart to see new modules would be good too as sometimes I add stuff to use later just because I happen to be fiddling around online at the time. The thing that so far has most impressed me with the SWORD Project is that it is collabarative - to that end I'd like to offer whatever help I can. I would be able to devote (at the moment) about 2 hours a week concentrated time to stuff though I also use the app most days and make notes as I go. I don't have much to offer on the programming front - ASP is about my limit though I've done work on XML and GUI stuff for a couple of web apps plus software testing for a friend for an HTML editor. Regards Adrian From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 8 12:24:23 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Adrian Frost) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:24:23 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Locked Bible Versions (French) Message-ID: <001f01c3d5e2$59d40c20$c7a088d9@skynet.be> Is anyone working on getting any of the French bible versions unlocked for use with the SWORD Project? I work in French speaking Belgium and I'm available to help in contacting publishers of French versions. My French is good enough to be of service if you don't have any francophones working on the project. I have friends and contacts within the Belgian Christian Evangelical bookshop system who may be able to help. Having those versions available would be very useful to me personally too. Adrian From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 8 16:35:37 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Barry Drake) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:35:37 -0000 Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules Message-ID: <3FFD86D9.12652.1D45D7D@localhost> Hi there ........ Several people have asked recently about making specific locked modules generally available. One person was considering the NET bible and another was interested in French versions. I though it worth repeating something that has been said before: Please don't badger copyright holders for free licencing. This practice alienates copyright holders who need to make a living. The Bible may be free - translation costs dearly and people have to be paid a wage! Don't come back on this issue, even if you disagree strongly. It has been discussed ad nauseam, is off-topic and the project leaders are well aware of all the arguments. Our greatest need is for an agent who will handle licence and copyright fees. The Sword Project cannot and will not offer this service. If someone has a not-for-profit firm or is willing to start one to handle transactions by Pay-Pal etc, then the Sword Project would be willing to support that person by supplying locked modules together with an unlock key if the copyright holder were willing for that to be done. The Sword Project would make no charge, and would take no part in financial transactions either with the purchasor or the copyright holder. If someone is willing to undertake this task, we would be in the same position as are other Bible software suppliers: we would be able to offer licenced copyrighted versions and handle payments. This would, without any doubt bring The Sword Project to the top of all, and I mean all, Bible software! God bless, Barry -- From Barry Drake (The Revd) minister of the Netherfield United Reformed church, Nottingham see http://www.jesusinnetherfield.org.uk for our church homepages). Replies - b.drake@ntlworld.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 8 17:17:01 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (sword-devel@crosswire.org) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:17:01 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] Possible ASP tasks for LcdBible Message-ID: <010820041717.2562.1b0f@att.net> > I'd like to offer whatever help I can. I > would be able to devote (at the moment) about 2 hours > a week concentrated time to stuff though I also use > the app most days and make notes as I go. I > don't have much to offer on the programming front - > ASP is about my limit though I've done work on > XML and GUI stuff for a couple of web apps plus > software testing for a friend for an HTML editor. Hi Adrian, I'd be interested in discussing some possibilities related to the LcdBible project. I've had thoughts about a webpage that could do "smart packaging" of downloads. The visitor would specify the Bible translation they wanted (KJV, WEB, BBE, ASV, MKJV, Spanish?, German?, French?, etc.) and this page would "package/bundle" a small download with LcdBible.exe and the appropriate text. ----------------------------- | Which Bible translation?: | o KJV | o BBE | o WEB | o MKJV | o etc. | o None (just updating software) ----------------------------- The point would be simplifying preparation of single Biblical text downloads. This keeps the download size relatively small (1.4 meg or less for complete "payload" of Bible text plus LcdBible.exe plus installer overhead). Currently, when LcdBible is updated, this would involve preparation of numerous packages (LcdBibleSetup_KJV.exe, LcdBibleSetup_WEB, etc.), plus uploading. When LcdBible was updated, I would just upload the new LcdBible.exe. The Bible texts are relatively "static". I'm a advocate of "monolithic" installation packages so the end-user only downloads and installs one setup file. More advanced end-user can download addtional Bible texts, but it is a support headache with non computer literate visitors. I use the Nsis-198 installer currently, and perhaps this proposed "smart packager" webpage could launch nsis scripts. My impression is that this would have to be on a Windows server, rather than Linus/Unix, both for ASP and for Nsis. What are your thoughts? (There are probably easier ways to do this ...) Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 8 19:16:07 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:16:07 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules In-Reply-To: <3FFD86D9.12652.1D45D7D@localhost> References: <3FFD86D9.12652.1D45D7D@localhost> Message-ID: <200401081416.08118.davidslists@gmx.net> On Thursday 08 January 2004 11:35 am, Barry Drake wrote: > Hi there ........ > Our greatest need is for an agent who will handle licence and copyright > fees. The Sword Project cannot and will not offer this service. > If someone has a not-for-profit firm or is willing to start one to handle > transactions by Pay-Pal etc, then the Sword Project would be willing to > support that person by supplying locked modules together with an > unlock key if the copyright holder were willing for that to be done. The > Sword Project would make no charge, and would take no part in > financial transactions either with the purchasor or the copyright holder. > If someone is willing to undertake this task, we would be in the same > position as are other Bible software suppliers: we would be able to offer > licenced copyrighted versions and handle payments. This would, > without any doubt bring The Sword Project to the top of all, and I mean > all, Bible software! Wow, God still answers prayers I think. A couple of weeks ago, I felt like God had laid it upon my heart to do something very much like this. Except it wouldn't really be not-for-profit. But it would be close. Basically my idea would be to distribute keys or whatever for OSIS modules at near cost to me. The reason I would charge near cost rather than at cost is that as a full time undergrad student my income is minimal and it would be very helpful for me to have a small supplement to my income. And after I graduate, I'm not certain what God wants me to do but I don't imagine it will pay me much money since, well, there are other things much more important to me than making money at whatever cost. So, having a tiny amount extra to help pay the bills certainly couldn't hurt. Especially with my student loans. Now what I mean by near cost is that I charge a small amount more (probably like a dollar or two) than the copyright holder asks in royalties. For example, let's say that each unlock key for the Modern Translation A is a $20 US royalty to the copyright holder, then I would charge $21-22 US. Making a dollar or two of my own. Now this small profit would get broken down something like this; 10% to my local church 5% to a ministry or possibly open source project that I would choose 2% to a fund so that I can have some discretion in pricing modules in the future or on a case-by-case basis (lower costs to churches, ministries, etc., possibly selling at a loss or paying the cost of the module totally if someone is in need, or other similar offers) I would then get the remaining 83% which would probably go to pay taxes, bills, etc. And I would be more than willing to provide any sort of accountability that anybody wants as this isn't about making money, just a little bit of extra financial security. I wanted to distribute OSIS module rights so that way someone isn't locked down into a particular program (even ours), and can use the module in any program that supports OSIS. Now my only question is this, would there be a problem with my contributing code to the project if I do this? I'd like to eventually contribute some good map and chart code to the project and am working on some basic ideas for that. -- --David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me (relatively) spam free since 2003 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 8 20:53:41 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:53:41 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Help appreciated with French (was: Locked Bible Versions) Message-ID: <004601c3d629$8073ecf0$0200a8c0@k2> > 1. Locked Bible Versions (French) (Adrian Frost) > Is anyone working on getting any of the French bible versions unlocked for > use with the SWORD Project? I work in French speaking Belgium and I'm > available to help in contacting publishers of French versions. My French is > good enough to be of service if you don't have any francophones working on > the project. I have friends and contacts within the Belgian Christian > Evangelical bookshop system who may be able to help. > Having those versions available would be very useful to me personally too. > Hi Adrian, I was hoping you could help out the LcdBible project with some quick/dirty/adequate French internationalization. LcdBible has an "Options ..." dialog with a relatively small number of options. It would be much appreciated to get reasonable translations of these words/phrases. Barry Drake provided his best guestimates, and perhaps you could suggest appropriate revisions, as applicable: > On 6 Jan 2004 at 10:16, Lynn Allan wrote: > English French (Drake) French (Adrian :-) > Case Sensitive > Case Insensitive ?? Capitalization Matters ?? ?? Capitalization Taken Into Account ?? > All Words Tous les Mots > Any Word Mot Simple > Exact Words Mots Exact > Font Police de Caractères > Small Petit > Medium Normal > Large Grand > Entire Bible Le plein bible (or) Le Bible Entire > New Testament Nouveau Testament > Old Testament Vieux Testament > Gospels Les évangiles > Search From Cherché de .... > Beginning Comencement > Current Chapter Chapitre actuel > Each word Chaque mot Yes No > Here are the words I can offer with just a chance a French speaker > would understand them! I have no idea how to say 'Case' (sensitive > or insensitive) - that's a bit too technical for me. And there are no > absolute guarantees with the ones I have offered above. Hope this > helps! I can't imagine how to say 'All words or any' either. Sorry, > but my limited French gets me food in supermarkets, and meals in > restaurants and that type of thing. > > God bless, > Barry Also, anyone with adequate Spanish, German, Dutch, Swahili, etc.: please send in your translations of the above words/phrases and/or contact me :-) For His glory and honor, Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 8 21:09:45 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Barry Drake) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:09:45 -0000 Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules In-Reply-To: <200401081416.08118.davidslists@gmx.net> References: <3FFD86D9.12652.1D45D7D@localhost> Message-ID: <3FFDC719.8259.2CF5819@localhost> Hi David ........... On 8 Jan 2004 at 14:16, David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver wrote: > Basically my idea would be to distribute keys or whatever for OSIS modules at > near cost to me. I think I'm right in saying that Sword will never directly support OSIS modules - am I right in this Chris? > Now my only question is this, would there be a problem with my contributing > code to the project if I do this? I'd like to eventually contribute some good > map and chart code to the project and am working on some basic ideas for that. Personally, I see no problem at all with any of your suggestions. There would be no conflict of interests, and anyone who wanted to purchase a Sword module which is copyrighted would be passed on to you. Really though, Troy ought to give an opinion here. God bless, Barry -- From Barry Drake (The Revd) minister of the Netherfield United Reformed church, Nottingham see http://www.jesusinnetherfield.org.uk for our church homepages). Replies - b.drake@ntlworld.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 8 20:48:30 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:48:30 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Help appreciated with French (was: Locked Bible Versions) References: <20040108190001.11726.85997.Mailman@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <003401c3d628$c677c600$0200a8c0@k2> > 1. Locked Bible Versions (French) (Adrian Frost) > Is anyone working on getting any of the French bible versions unlocked for > use with the SWORD Project? I work in French speaking Belgium and I'm > available to help in contacting publishers of French versions. My French is > good enough to be of service if you don't have any francophones working on > the project. I have friends and contacts within the Belgian Christian > Evangelical bookshop system who may be able to help. > Having those versions available would be very useful to me personally too. > Hi Adrian, I was hoping you could help out the LcdBible project with some quick/dirty/adequate French internationalization. LcdBible has an "Options ..." dialog with a relatively small number of options. It would be much appreciated to get reasonable translations of these words/phrases. Barry Drake provided his best guestimates, and perhaps you could suggest appropriate revisions, as applicable: > On 6 Jan 2004 at 10:16, Lynn Allan wrote: > English French (Drake) French (Adrian :-) > Case Sensitive > Case Insensitive ?? Capitalization Matters ?? ?? Capitalization Taken Into Account ?? > All Words Tous les Mots > Any Word Mot Simple > Exact Words Mots Exact > Font Police de Caractères > Small Petit > Medium Normal > Large Grand > Entire Bible Le plein bible (or) Le Bible Entire > New Testament Nouveau Testament > Old Testament Vieux Testament > Gospels Les évangiles > Search From Cherché de .... > Beginning Comencement > Current Chapter Chapitre actuel > Each word Chaque mot Yes No > Here are the words I can offer with just a chance a French speaker > would understand them! I have no idea how to say 'Case' (sensitive > or insensitive) - that's a bit too technical for me. And there are no > absolute guarantees with the ones I have offered above. Hope this > helps! I can't imagine how to say 'All words or any' either. Sorry, > but my limited French gets me food in supermarkets, and meals in > restaurants and that type of thing. > > God bless, > Barry Also, anyone with adequate Spanish, German, Dutch, Swahili, etc.: please send in your translations of the above words/phrases and/or contact me :-) For His glory and honor, Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 7 21:37:12 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Ingo) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:37:12 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Help appreciated with French (was: Locked Bible Versions) References: <004601c3d629$8073ecf0$0200a8c0@k2> Message-ID: <001201c3d566$6c6eff60$ad47793e@home.aster.pl> >"Lynn Allan" wrote: [sword-devel] Help appreciated with French (was: Locked Bible Versions) > I was hoping you could help out the LcdBible project with some > quick/dirty/adequate French internationalization. LcdBible has an "Options > ..." dialog with a relatively small number of options. It would be much > appreciated to get reasonable translations of these words/phrases. Barry > Drake provided his best guestimates, and perhaps you could suggest > appropriate revisions, as applicable: [etc., i.e. some word to translate] Do you think about Polish internationalization? If yes - where to send translations? BTW - will there be module with Polish "Biblia Gdanska" in Project Sword? (e-text was prepared and submitted in November, if anything is missing we can submit it.) "Official" presence of this module would would facilitate us negotiating with copyright owners the right to use other Polish Bible translations (& other modules) by Project Sword. In His service, Wojciech Bartminski From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 8 21:51:10 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Adrian Frost) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:51:10 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Help appreciated with French (was: Locked Bible Versions) References: <004601c3d629$8073ecf0$0200a8c0@k2> Message-ID: <001401c3d631$8823e060$de64f151@skynet.be> Lynn, Here's some possibilities: > English French (Adrian :-) > Case Sensitive Cas sensible > Case Insensitive Cas insensible > All Words Tous les mots > Any Word Tout mot > All words or any Tous les mots ou tout mot > Exact Words Mots exacts or Expression exacte > Font Police (can have Police de caractères as well either/or) (Font Size = Taille de police) > Small Petite (feminine because police is feminine) > Medium Moyenne (as above) > Large Grande (as above) > Entire Bible La Bible Entière > New Testament Nouveau Testament > Old Testament Ancien Testament > Gospels Les Evangiles (you don't tend to use accents on capital letters) > Search from Recherche du .... (normally would be 'recherche de' but because both beginning and chapter (as in current chapter) are masculine de becomes du) > Beginning Début > Current Chapter Chapitre actuel > Each word Chaque mot > Yes Oui > No Non That's kind of a first attempt. Barry had done a very good job. I shall run this lot past a friend of mine just to be sure - I think his English might be good enough :-) French phrases often seem to come out a bit longer than English ones which can be a killer for dialog boxes. I know someone who may be able to help with Dutch and German. I'll pass this e-mail along. It may be worth your while popping along to Goggle, having a look at 'Advanced Search' in English then flipping the language 'Preferences' to French and going back to 'Recherche Avancée' to see how Goggle has done it. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Allan" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: [sword-devel] Help appreciated with French (was: Locked Bible Versions) > > 1. Locked Bible Versions (French) (Adrian Frost) > > > Is anyone working on getting any of the French bible versions unlocked for > > use with the SWORD Project? I work in French speaking Belgium and I'm > > available to help in contacting publishers of French versions. My French > is > > good enough to be of service if you don't have any francophones working on > > the project. I have friends and contacts within the Belgian Christian > > Evangelical bookshop system who may be able to help. > > Having those versions available would be very useful to me personally too. > > > > Hi Adrian, > > I was hoping you could help out the LcdBible project with some > quick/dirty/adequate French internationalization. LcdBible has an "Options > ..." dialog with a relatively small number of options. It would be much > appreciated to get reasonable translations of these words/phrases. Barry > Drake provided his best guestimates, and perhaps you could suggest > appropriate revisions, as applicable: > > > On 6 Jan 2004 at 10:16, Lynn Allan wrote: > > > > English French (Drake) French (Adrian :-) > > Case Sensitive > > Case Insensitive > ?? Capitalization Matters ?? > ?? Capitalization Taken Into Account ?? > > All Words Tous les Mots > > Any Word Mot Simple > > Exact Words Mots Exact > > Font Police de Caractères > > Small Petit > > Medium Normal > > Large Grand > > Entire Bible Le plein bible (or) Le Bible Entire > > New Testament Nouveau Testament > > Old Testament Vieux Testament > > Gospels Les évangiles > > Search From Cherché de .... > > Beginning Comencement > > Current Chapter Chapitre actuel > > Each word Chaque mot > Yes > No > > > > Here are the words I can offer with just a chance a French speaker > > would understand them! I have no idea how to say 'Case' (sensitive > > or insensitive) - that's a bit too technical for me. And there are no > > absolute guarantees with the ones I have offered above. Hope this > > helps! I can't imagine how to say 'All words or any' either. Sorry, > > but my limited French gets me food in supermarkets, and meals in > > restaurants and that type of thing. > > > > > God bless, > > Barry > > Also, anyone with adequate Spanish, German, Dutch, Swahili, etc.: please > send in your translations of the above words/phrases and/or contact me :-) > > For His glory and honor, > Lynn A. > l.allan@att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 9 02:38:25 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:38:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules In-Reply-To: <3FFDC719.8259.2CF5819@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Barry Drake wrote: > Hi David ........... > > On 8 Jan 2004 at 14:16, David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver wrote: > > Basically my idea would be to distribute keys or whatever for OSIS modules at > > near cost to me. > > I think I'm right in saying that Sword will never directly support OSIS > modules - am I right in this Chris? Sword won't directly support un-modified OSIS modules, but it will (probably pretty soon) support client-side import of OSIS modules. So, effectively, this idea should work fine. On the other hand, I'm not sure what David has in mind with selling keys to XML documents. There might be some work here in figuring out a good encrypted XML wrapper, but there are some standard ways of doing this that should be considered. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 9 06:39:13 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 23:39:13 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules In-Reply-To: <3FFDC719.8259.2CF5819@localhost> References: <3FFD86D9.12652.1D45D7D@localhost> <3FFDC719.8259.2CF5819@localhost> Message-ID: <3FFE4C91.20709@crosswire.org> Not to discourage anyone, just to restate the positions that have been stated many times before in private and public: CrossWire does not support ANY commercial (including 10% markup) selling of sword modules by any 3rd party. There are a number of reasons for this, among only a few: a) it confuses the issue of who content creators need to deal with; b) what official relation this party has with CrossWire; c) clouds the image and purpose of CrossWire; and honestly d) it ticks me off that people want to make any money from the countless hours we've sacrificed over the years to bring this software to Bible Societies, other ministries, and our end users with no money involved. This is the keynote of our ministry. If a publisher wishes to sell their own texts, we will support them as much as we can, just short of taking the money and delivering it to them. We would prefer to have copyright holders give their texts away for free, obviously, but feel they know their ministry better than us, and if they feel they need to charge, then that is between them and the Lord. CrossWire DOES support OSIS markup directly. To say: we do our best and have every intention of supporting fully the OSIS specification and any OSIS encoded documents for use with our software. As Chris has stated, it is technically by import into a normalized OSIS markup and compressed. I am convinced that if we had someone with the professionalism and time necessary to put into researching and contacting the proper individuals in the proper way, many copyright holders would be inclined to take your money, as they probably already have methods of electonic distribution and sales. And to conclude, this isn't an offical announcement, but Lockman has agree to sell the NASB for SWORD, as soon as we finish work on it, and they have been extremely surprised and grateful that we don't want royalties for 'ALLOWING them to distribute their text in our format'. I think this example will be extremely conducive to convincing other organizations to do the same. -Troy A. Griffitts. PS. Someone please link to this in the wiki FAQs Barry Drake wrote: > Hi David ........... > > On 8 Jan 2004 at 14:16, David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver wrote: > >>Basically my idea would be to distribute keys or whatever for OSIS modules at >>near cost to me. > > > I think I'm right in saying that Sword will never directly support OSIS > modules - am I right in this Chris? > > >>Now my only question is this, would there be a problem with my contributing >>code to the project if I do this? I'd like to eventually contribute some good >>map and chart code to the project and am working on some basic ideas for that. > > > Personally, I see no problem at all with any of your suggestions. There > would be no conflict of interests, and anyone who wanted to purchase a > Sword module which is copyrighted would be passed on to you. Really > though, Troy ought to give an opinion here. > > God bless, > Barry > > -- From Barry Drake (The Revd) minister of the Netherfield United > Reformed church, Nottingham see http://www.jesusinnetherfield.org.uk > for our church homepages). > > Replies - b.drake@ntlworld.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 9 07:23:00 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael Paul Johnson) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:23:00 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules In-Reply-To: References: <3FFDC719.8259.2CF5819@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040109162735.03057808@127.0.0.1> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 12:38 09-01-04, Chris wrote: >On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Barry Drake wrote: > >> Hi David ........... >> >> On 8 Jan 2004 at 14:16, David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver >> wrote: >> > Basically my idea would be to distribute keys or whatever for >> > OSIS >modules at >> > near cost to me. >> >> I think I'm right in saying that Sword will never directly support >> OSIS >> modules - am I right in this Chris? > >Sword won't directly support un-modified OSIS modules, but it will >(probably pretty soon) support client-side import of OSIS modules. >So, >effectively, this idea should work fine. > >On the other hand, I'm not sure what David has in mind with selling >keys >to XML documents. There might be some work here in figuring out a >good >encrypted XML wrapper, but there are some standard ways of doing this >that >should be considered. Probably the thing that publishers would buy would be a two-part key: half is the identity of the buyer, and the other half is whatever it takes to transform that identity into the actual key. (Such a thing is easy to write, at least for me, but hard to make secure in open source environments.) This is NOT copy protection, but it is decent point-of-sale control. Alternatively, you could just use ZIP password encryption. It is weak, but then once the XML is sold & unlocked once, the text is in the wild and could be copied freely anyway if someone didn't honor the copyright laws. Michael (Author & inventor of the encryption algorithm you use to lock Sword modules.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: http://eBible.org/mpj/gpg.htm iD8DBQE//lbRRI/gxxfXR7sRAhJTAJ4rNNfJtH1tRazVoWSinHOg5dxc1QCfeHpQ RzgKAKr3v1GORrJZWFv1mm8= =pKfh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 9 07:59:17 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:59:17 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules References: <20040109072603.4863.66996.Mailman@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <005001c3d686$7b36b350$0200a8c0@k2> > PS. Someone please link to this in the wiki FAQs Link has been put in TWiki FAQ (quick and dirty ... ) Lynn A. paracletos@adelphia.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 9 09:20:15 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:20:15 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules In-Reply-To: <3FFE4C91.20709@crosswire.org> References: <3FFD86D9.12652.1D45D7D@localhost> <3FFDC719.8259.2CF5819@localhost> <3FFE4C91.20709@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <200401091020.15371.mg.pub@gmx.net> It's here: http://www.crosswire.org/ucgi-bin/twiki/view/Modules/CopyrightAndLockedModules mg Am Freitag, 9. Januar 2004 07:39 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts: > Not to discourage anyone, just to restate the positions that have been > stated many times before in private and public: > > CrossWire does not support ANY commercial (including 10% markup) > selling of sword modules by any 3rd party. There are a number of > reasons for this, among only a few: a) it confuses the issue of who > content creators need to deal with; b) what official relation this party > has with CrossWire; c) clouds the image and purpose of CrossWire; and > honestly d) it ticks me off that people want to make any money from the > countless hours we've sacrificed over the years to bring this software > to Bible Societies, other ministries, and our end users with no money > involved. This is the keynote of our ministry. > > If a publisher wishes to sell their own texts, we will support them as > much as we can, just short of taking the money and delivering it to them. > > We would prefer to have copyright holders give their texts away for > free, obviously, but feel they know their ministry better than us, and > if they feel they need to charge, then that is between them and the Lord. > > CrossWire DOES support OSIS markup directly. To say: we do our best > and have every intention of supporting fully the OSIS specification and > any OSIS encoded documents for use with our software. As Chris has > stated, it is technically by import into a normalized OSIS markup and > compressed. > > I am convinced that if we had someone with the professionalism and time > necessary to put into researching and contacting the proper individuals > in the proper way, many copyright holders would be inclined to take your > money, as they probably already have methods of electonic distribution > and sales. > > And to conclude, this isn't an offical announcement, but Lockman has > agree to sell the NASB for SWORD, as soon as we finish work on it, and > they have been extremely surprised and grateful that we don't want > royalties for 'ALLOWING them to distribute their text in our format'. I > think this example will be extremely conducive to convincing other > organizations to do the same. > > -Troy A. Griffitts. > > PS. Someone please link to this in the wiki FAQs > > Barry Drake wrote: > > Hi David ........... > > > > On 8 Jan 2004 at 14:16, David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver wrote: > >>Basically my idea would be to distribute keys or whatever for OSIS > >> modules at near cost to me. > > > > I think I'm right in saying that Sword will never directly support OSIS > > modules - am I right in this Chris? > > > >>Now my only question is this, would there be a problem with my > >> contributing code to the project if I do this? I'd like to eventually > >> contribute some good map and chart code to the project and am working on > >> some basic ideas for that. > > > > Personally, I see no problem at all with any of your suggestions. There > > would be no conflict of interests, and anyone who wanted to purchase a > > Sword module which is copyrighted would be passed on to you. Really > > though, Troy ought to give an opinion here. > > > > God bless, > > Barry > > > > -- From Barry Drake (The Revd) minister of the Netherfield United > > Reformed church, Nottingham see http://www.jesusinnetherfield.org.uk > > for our church homepages). > > > > Replies - b.drake@ntlworld.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list > > sword-devel@crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 9 11:01:24 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Klaus R. H. Walther) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:01:24 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules In-Reply-To: <200401081416.08118.davidslists@gmx.net> References: <3FFD86D9.12652.1D45D7D@localhost> <200401081416.08118.davidslists@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200401091201.24702.K.Walther@christen.net> Hello David, Am Donnerstag, 8. Januar 2004 20:16 schrieb David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver: > 10% to my local church > 5% to a ministry or possibly open source project that I would choose > 2% to a fund so that I can have some discretion in pricing modules in the > future or on a case-by-case basis (lower costs to churches, ministries, > etc., possibly selling at a loss or paying the cost of the module totally > if someone is in need, or other similar offers) Don't forget the costs to run the webserver. Licence fee's for paypal (or simular) and so on. Shalom, Klaus From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 9 15:18:50 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Brandon Pierce) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:18:50 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Introduction in order... Message-ID: <000b01c3d6c3$e376b400$2008010a@Brandon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3D689.371962A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Brandon Pierce, and I've volunteered to help out with the project. I was actually introduced to the Sword project by way of MacSword, and I've also offered to help specifically with that since I'm primarily a Mac user. I don't have any really strong programming skills, but I'm involved with web development and handy with (X)HTML, CSS, and PHP. I look forward to helping out in any way I can. Brandon Pierce ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3D689.371962A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Introduction in order...

Hello,

I just wanted to take a moment to = introduce myself. My name is Brandon Pierce, and I've volunteered to = help out with the project. I was actually introduced to the Sword = project by way of MacSword, and I've also offered to help specifically = with that since I'm primarily a Mac user.

I don't have any really strong = programming skills, but I'm involved with web development and handy with = (X)HTML, CSS, and PHP. I look forward to helping out in any way I = can.

Brandon Pierce



------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3D689.371962A0-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 9 18:32:05 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:32:05 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules In-Reply-To: <200401091201.24702.K.Walther@christen.net> References: <3FFD86D9.12652.1D45D7D@localhost> <200401081416.08118.davidslists@gmx.net> <200401091201.24702.K.Walther@christen.net> Message-ID: <200401091332.07368.davidslists@gmx.net> On Friday 09 January 2004 06:01 am, Klaus R. H. Walther wrote: > > 10% to my local church > > 5% to a ministry or possibly open source project that I would choose > > 2% to a fund so that I can have some discretion in pricing modules in the > > future or on a case-by-case basis (lower costs to churches, ministries, > > etc., possibly selling at a loss or paying the cost of the module totally > > if someone is in need, or other similar offers) > > Don't forget the costs to run the webserver. Licence fee's for paypal (or > simular) and so on. Right, I was considering factoring at least the paypal fee into the cost of the module since I imagine they take a percentage off the top of each transaction. As for the webserver, depending on what interent I get at home when I graduate and move out, I could run that myself possibly. -- --David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me (relatively) spam free since 2003 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 9 18:42:24 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:42:24 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Copyright and locked modules In-Reply-To: <3FFE4C91.20709@crosswire.org> References: <3FFD86D9.12652.1D45D7D@localhost> <3FFDC719.8259.2CF5819@localhost> <3FFE4C91.20709@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <200401091342.24884.davidslists@gmx.net> On Friday 09 January 2004 01:39 am, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > CrossWire does not support ANY commercial (including 10% markup) > selling of sword modules by any 3rd party. There are a number of > reasons for this, among only a few: a) it confuses the issue of who > content creators need to deal with; b) what official relation this party > has with CrossWire; c) clouds the image and purpose of CrossWire; and > honestly d) it ticks me off that people want to make any money from the > countless hours we've sacrificed over the years to bring this software > to Bible Societies, other ministries, and our end users with no money > involved. This is the keynote of our ministry. Well I would just like to clarify for the record that I'm not interested in making money. I re-ran some numbers and a $2 US markup ends up with me having $1.66 profit for me per unit based on the percentages in my original post. Which is far too much since money isn't the point of this exercise. And I have on problem selling at a loss on a case by case basis provided I can do so without going personally bankrupt. Like I said this isn't about making money, if fact I was rather uncomfortable with the idea at first. I personally dislike profit-mongering and commercialism. And I dislike the fact that I've aquired some of that in planning this. And originally I have always planned on doing this non-profit, however when this idea was presented to me again the other night it seemed that it was a good way to make a very very small contribution to my cost of living which in the area that I live in is rather low as it is. Now as to the second point, I wouldn't be doing this with sword modules directly anyway but rather OSIS texts. Like I said in my first post, I don't believe that anybody should be locked down into a particular software vendor's product be it ours or VerseMonger just because that's what software they have a paid license for. If the modules are free(lunch) then I've got no problem with that, but if people must buy the module they at least ought to get to chose what software they use it with. And I'm glad to hear about the NASB, it's not a translation I use and probably won't buy it for that reason. But at least it is a start. -- --David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me (relatively) spam free since 2003 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 9 23:12:03 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:12:03 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] LcdBible 0.95a beta for Win95 and 640*480 monitors Message-ID: <000101c3d706$001026e0$0200a8c0@k2> [sword-devel] LcdBible 0.93g 'Release Candidate' availableThere is YALR (YetAother LcdBible Release) ver 0.95a at: http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lcdbible/LcdBibleSetup.exe or http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/lcdbible/LcdBibleSetup.exe?download LcdBible has gone "backwards" from earlier labels of being a "Release Candidate" to a reversion to the "Beta" label. In some aspects, this version has some "back to the drawing board" modifications to support truly ancient computers with Win95 + i-386 + 640*480 monitors. (Previously, LcdBible assumed at least Win98-SE + Pentium 233 + 800*600 resolution.) There were several beta testers with Win95 installed on 386/486 laptops, and LcdBible "almost" worked. Also, it seemed to have better-than-expected launch and search performance on these dinosaurs. Hence the modifications. LcdBible used to be targetted for computers that churches gave away as obsolete. Now it may be usable on computers so old that the recipients of those computers are about to give them away as unusable, but LcdBible works ok. The changes from 0.93h: * Switch from CDialog to hybrid S.D.I. Doc/View * Resizable to be usable as small as 450 * 350 (barely), decent at 640*480, and as large as 1100 * 900 with marginally adequate "layout manager" to maintain placement/orientation of controls. * "Remembers" placement and width/height when restarting * Compatible with Win95-osr1 (fat-16) without mfc42.dll * Mostly replaced "clunky" R-M-B SysMenu for setting options with a simple "Options ..." dialog * Installer uses Win95 version by default (rather than multiple .exe's for static and dynamic linking to mfc42) * Download size increases from <400kb to >500kb, including WEB-NT and nsis installer. OT should definitely fit within 1.44 meg "budget" for download size of self-contained LcdBibleSetup.exe * Uninstaller improved Feedback appreciated, especially problems/suggestions/"Biblical rebukes for iron sharpens iron" (prefer offline to not clutter up this list more that is already the case) * "Road-map" of envisioned enhancements - Implement Context sensitive help - Write tutorial - Old Testament integrated - Detects availablility of KJV and/or BBE and enables option to switch versions - Internationalization for Spanish, French, German, Polish, etc., including "Options ..." dialog wordage - Integrate InVerse Scripture memorization freeware - Modeless search options dialog - "Smart packager" webpage - Direct "Go-To" from found verses to Biblical text - Use RichText or HTML viewer rather than multiline CEdit - Integrate simple "Dictionary" capability Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 10 09:34:41 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Hugo van der Kooij) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:34:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [sword-devel] Bug in sword 1.5.7 Message-ID: Hi, I noticed a bug in the makefile for sword 1.5.7 The install_config phase has a hardcoded path to /etc/ instead of the sysconfdir variable that should have been used. Hugo. -- All email sent to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 10 10:49:45 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Hugo van der Kooij) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:49:45 +0100 (CET) Subject: [sword-devel] Bug in sword 1.5.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Hugo van der Kooij wrote: > I noticed a bug in the makefile for sword 1.5.7 > > The install_config phase has a hardcoded path to /etc/ instead of the > sysconfdir variable that should have been used. After final tests I made the following patch: --- sword-1.5.7/Makefile.in.OLD 2003-12-26 06:55:43.000000000 +0100 +++ sword-1.5.7/Makefile.in 2004-01-10 10:37:45.000000000 +0100 @@ -879,8 +879,8 @@ @echo "" install_config: - @echo "[Install]" > /etc/sword.conf - @echo "DataPath=$(pkgdatadir)/" >> /etc/sword.conf + @echo "[Install]" > $(sysconfdir)/sword.conf + @echo "DataPath=$(pkgdatadir)/" >> $(sysconfdir)/sword.conf @echo "sword.conf generated" # Tell versions [3.59,3.63) of GNU make to not export all variables. # Otherwise a system limit (for SysV at least) may be exceeded. Now the sysconfdir variable can be used to control the package building. An updates RPM set have been created using this new patch which now builds clean for common users as well. Hugo. -- All email sent to me is bound to the rules described on my homepage. hvdkooij@vanderkooij.org http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 10 13:34:06 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Adrian Korten) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:34:06 +0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Bug in sword 1.5.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFFFF4E.6040401@sil.org> Good day, This made me check the web-site to find out that this is a new developer's release. Will there be a public release of this version? Could the v1.5.7 .exe be placed on the Alpha site? Adrian Hugo van der Kooij wrote: > Hi, > > I noticed a bug in the makefile for sword 1.5.7 > > The install_config phase has a hardcoded path to /etc/ instead of the > sysconfdir variable that should have been used. > > Hugo. > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 10 05:46:22 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:46:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sword-devel] formatting Message-ID: <20040110054622.96447.qmail@web80806.mail.yahoo.com> --0-116203254-1073713582=:95567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, Please send me instructions on formatting public domain books for use with the Sword project, for windows. Thanks, Michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-116203254-1073713582=:95567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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Please send me instructions on formatting public domain books for use with the Sword project, for windows.
Thanks,
Michael

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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-116203254-1073713582=:95567-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 10 20:21:51 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Wolfgang Schultz) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:21:51 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Polska Biblia Gdanska now valid against osis 2.0.1 Message-ID: <40005EDF.9000903@zyanid.de> Hi all i have corrected the osis file from ingo. After last changes it was not longer wellformed and invalid against OSIS Schema. :'( Here is the proper file: http://www.zefania.de/xmlbible/downloads/pbg-osis201.zip greetings wolfgang FREE BIBLE SOFTWARE GROUP http://www.zefania.de Polska Biblia Gdanska also available as Zefania XML Markuped file: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89078&package_id=93756&release_id=208990 MyBible Biblestudy tool http://www.anke-und-daniel.de/software/mybible/ From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 11 00:09:17 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Dave Allwein) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:09:17 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Bible Adventures on Sega Genesis Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20040110190145.00bc9d40@mail.gamespy.com> Hello Mr. Ledebohm, I guess the first thing that I will do is introduce myself. My name is Dave Allwein and I run a large Nintendo fan site titled The Warp Zone. Anyway, I am working on a website dedicated to Color Dreams and Wisdom Tree, one of the fun and interesting unlicensed videogame companies that produced games in the 1990s. You can view a preliminary version of the site at the following address: http://www.planetnintendo.com/thewarpzone/colordreamsshrine/index.html Most of the sections have yet to be uploaded as of yet, though several of the pages on the Nintendo section are working. Anyway, I was working on a page for the Sega Genesis version of Bible Adventures. While looking through the game, I stumbled upon a programmers list and I saw that the Genesis conversion of this game was done by Herb Ledebohm. If you are the same Mr. Ledebohm that did the Bible Adventures conversion, then I would love to ask you a few questions about your work. Thank you, and have a good day. Best regards, Dave Allwein ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dave Allwein | Handle: TRM Webmaster: http://www.planetnintendo.com/thewarpzone AIM: tracker465 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 11 10:44:34 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Mudy Situmorang) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:44:34 +0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Help appreciated with French (was: Locked Bible Versions) In-Reply-To: <004601c3d629$8073ecf0$0200a8c0@k2> References: <004601c3d629$8073ecf0$0200a8c0@k2> Message-ID: <545546750.20040111174434@tdmm.net> Hello Lynn and all dev, I'm Mudy from Indonesia (its Moody for inconsistent language:-). I've been monitoring this list for a while. I'm planning to give a hand, both with coding and module license, but still quite bussy (there's always a reason:-). We do have several Bible software with Indonesia bible here however I'm interested with LcdBible concept. Too bad, Indonesia version hasnt beed unlocked. I guess we can unlocked it some day. Perhaps Indonesia internationalization could help. English Indonesia Case Sensitive Huruf Besar-Kecil Diperhatikan Case Insensitive Huruf Besar-Kecil Diabaikan All Words Semua Kata Any Word Kata Apa Saja Exact Words Kata Harus Persis Font Jenis Huruf Small Kecil Medium Sedang Large Besar Entire Bible Seluruh Alkitab New Testament Perjanjian Baru Old Testament Perjanjian Lama Gospels Injil Search From Mencari Dari Beginning Awal Current Chapter Bab Ini Each word Setiap Kata Yes Ya No Tidak I can help you with any Indonesia tribe's language if you need. Also Khmer language (if you use the font). Khmer is Cambodian primary language. I think I can get entire South East Asia language that you need (by asking several friends). Friday, January 9, 2004, 3:53:41 AM, you wrote: LA> Hi Adrian, LA> I was hoping you could help out the LcdBible project with some LA> quick/dirty/adequate French internationalization. LcdBible has an "Options LA> ..." dialog with a relatively small number of options. It would be much LA> appreciated to get reasonable translations of these words/phrases. Barry LA> Drake provided his best guestimates, and perhaps you could suggest LA> appropriate revisions, as applicable: >> On 6 Jan 2004 at 10:16, Lynn Allan wrote: LA> Also, anyone with adequate Spanish, German, Dutch, Swahili, etc.: please LA> send in your translations of the above words/phrases and/or contact me :-) LA> For His glory and honor, LA> Lynn A. LA> l.allan@att.net LA> _______________________________________________ LA> sword-devel mailing list LA> sword-devel@crosswire.org LA> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel -- Best regards, Mudy mailto:mudy@tdmm.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 11 17:18:17 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Johan Gorter) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:18:17 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface Message-ID: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> Hello all, I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it can do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone who is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and what an IPAQ looks like) http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ I have a question about the thml filters: I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? I hope someone can help me out here. My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the project is like this: version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list version 0.6 - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) version 0.8 - The find page implemented version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a webpage, a normal installer, an about screen, etc Greetings from the Netherlands, Johan From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 12 11:23:41 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Barry Drake) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:23:41 -0000 Subject: [sword-devel] Paragraph/verse display Message-ID: <400283BD.11328.AD7F67@localhost> Hi there ....... Am I right in thinking that the Windows front end once had an option to switch the bible texts between verse (cr/lf before verse number) and paragraph (continuous text) mode? If so, has it now been removed? God bless, Barry -- From Barry Drake (The Revd) minister of the Netherfield United Reformed church, Nottingham see http://www.jesusinnetherfield.org.uk for our church homepages). Replies - b.drake@ntlworld.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 12 16:44:28 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:44:28 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <200401121744.33854.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, it's great to see development for Windows CE. I don't own a handheld but I remember many users have asked for it. > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? The best way is to create a new class like THML2myHTML which will formatt the text depending on your preferences. That's the way we did it in BibleTime (www.bibletime.info). The redletters and the other options are set with SWMgr::setGlobalOption I think, they are left in the text or taken out depending on the state you set with the function. If the text of the option is left in your filter(s) format it the way you like. I'd suggest to look into our code in the directory bibletime/backend/ where our filter classes are. There you can see how to use the filter classes in Sword. Joachim - -- <>< Re: deemed! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAAs7wEyRIb2AZBB0RApKnAJ9oLrKttoD5A/yrSKFz2ISc6eCN8gCeLjo6 F2Q7ZRV6+I4jb9hEigOX9vs= =DKkY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 12 17:05:17 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:05:17 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <200401121805.17552.mg.pub@gmx.net> You can find an api documentation here: http://www.crosswire.org/~mgruner/sword-apidoc/html/ Or in cvs, module sword-apidoc. Hth, mg Am Sonntag, 11. Januar 2004 18:18 schrieb Johan Gorter: > Hello all, > > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it can > do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone who > is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and what an > IPAQ looks like) > > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ > > I have a question about the thml filters: > > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? > > I hope someone can help me out here. > > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the project > is like this: > > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list > version 0.6 - The update version that I sent > version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) > version 0.8 - The find page implemented > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a webpage, > a normal installer, an about screen, etc > > Greetings from the Netherlands, > > Johan > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 01:18:00 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Will Thimbleby) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:18:00 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta Message-ID: <5440EEBC-4566-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> --Apple-Mail-2--987283119 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi all, I've just been hard at work on the next version of MacSword and I've finished it (mostly). This should probably be the final beta. I'd really appreciate any beta testing and lots of feedback. I need bits of help polishing the read me and with internationalisation. It will probably not work/look right in French German or Portuguese yet. I'll post the files for translation in a little while, after some sleep. You can get it here: http://www.heathmoor.plus.com/downloads/MacSword0.4beta.dmg What's new? Many more bug fixes Completely rewritten to use WebKit including a much nicer look - using BibleTime's filters (Cheers guys) New appearance options allowing complete customisation of modules Customisable toolbar New advanced toolbar item for reference lists (eg. "jon3.16-17;jon10.10") Back and forward toolbar items Improved printing support Dictionary contents and contents caching Key shortcuts Module pop-up allowing quick access to other translations URL access (eg. "sword://KJV/matt3.16"), also available as a service Saves window positions on quitting Improved find window Module information Better tool-tips Yours in Christ -Will --Apple-Mail-2--987283119 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I've just been hard at work on the next version of MacSword and I've finished it (mostly). This should probably be the final beta. I'd really appreciate any beta testing and lots of feedback. I need bits of help polishing the read me and with internationalisation. It will probably not work/look right in French German or Portuguese yet. I'll post the files for translation in a little while, after some sleep. You can get it here: http://www.heathmoor.plus.com/downloads/MacSword0.4beta.dmg What's new? Many more bug fixes Completely rewritten to use WebKit including a much nicer look - using BibleTime's filters (Cheers guys) New appearance options allowing complete customisation of modules Customisable toolbar New advanced toolbar item for reference lists (eg. "jon3.16-17;jon10.10") Back and forward toolbar items Improved printing support Dictionary contents and contents caching Key shortcuts Module pop-up allowing quick access to other translations URL access (eg. "sword://KJV/matt3.16"), also available as a service Saves window positions on quitting Improved find window Module information Better tool-tips Yours in Christ -Will --Apple-Mail-2--987283119-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 12:14:09 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Christian Renz) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:14:09 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: <5440EEBC-4566-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> References: <5440EEBC-4566-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20040113121409.GA99825@web42.com> Will, thanks for your feedback! My PowerBook is currently being repaired, so I tried it on a G3 running Mac OS X.2.6 (haven't freed up enough space yet to upgrade to X.2.8). Upon startup, it shows the list of modules installed correctly. However, after double-clicking on a module, the module window title is "Ohne Titel" (German, the english title probably is "Untitled") and no contents are shown. This might be due to the listboxes on top being filled with weird contents: The book list is set to "Janurary" (sic!), when clicked on, it reveils a list of (German) month names. The chapter list contains the numbers 1 to 31, presumably the days of the month. The verse list can't be clicked on. I tried to set the book title to an English and a German name of a book in the bible, but to no avail. Hope this feedback helps. Greetings, Christian -- crenz@web42.com - http://www.web42.com/crenz/ - http://www.web42.com/ "Christ never meant that we were to remain children in intelligence: on the contrary, He told us to be not only 'as harmless as doves' but also 'as wise as serpents.' He wants a child's heart, but a grown-up's head." -- C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 12:16:56 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Christian Renz) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:16:56 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: <20040113121409.GA99825@web42.com> References: <5440EEBC-4566-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> <20040113121409.GA99825@web42.com> Message-ID: <20040113121656.GA2609@web42.com> Addendum: I tried using the service (sword://KJV/matt3.16) in Safari, and it launches MacSword with an empty window (again, "Untitled"). Greetings, Christian -- crenz@web42.com - http://www.web42.com/crenz/ - http://www.web42.com/ "The universe doesn't come with enforced style guidelines. Creative people will develop style on their own. Those are the sort of people that will make heaven a nice place." -- Larry Wall From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 12:27:26 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Will Thimbleby) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:27:26 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: <20040113121409.GA99825@web42.com> Message-ID: Christian, I've severely changed the English UI nib files. The German ones haven't been updated in any way but are still lying around, it really wont work with them. Open MacSword as a bundle and delete the German, French and pt.lproj folders, then it'll run in English and actually work. Hope this helps -Will On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, at 12:14 pm, Christian Renz wrote: > Will, > > thanks for your feedback! My PowerBook is currently being repaired, so > I tried it on a G3 running Mac OS X.2.6 (haven't freed up enough space > yet to upgrade to X.2.8). > Upon startup, it shows the list of modules installed > correctly. However, after double-clicking on a module, the module > window > title is "Ohne Titel" (German, the english title probably is > "Untitled") and no contents are shown. This might be due to the > listboxes on top being filled with weird contents: The book list is > set to "Janurary" (sic!), when clicked on, it reveils a list of > (German) month names. The chapter list contains the numbers 1 to 31, > presumably the days of the month. The verse list can't be clicked on. > > I tried to set the book title to an English and a German name of a > book in the bible, but to no avail. Hope this feedback helps. > > Greetings, > Christian > > -- > crenz@web42.com - http://www.web42.com/crenz/ - http://www.web42.com/ > > "Christ never meant that we were to remain children in intelligence: on > the contrary, He told us to be not only 'as harmless as doves' but > also 'as wise as serpents.' He wants a child's heart, but a grown-up's > head." -- C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 13:14:48 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Christian Renz) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:14:48 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: References: <20040113121409.GA99825@web42.com> Message-ID: <20040113131448.GA7126@web42.com> Thanks for the quick help, Will -- that did the trick. And I was already wondering why the menus and dialogs look so very similar to the last version :). I'm not quite sure why I wrote "thanks for your feedback" in the last e-mail, I meant "thanks for your good work" :). Anyway, here's some feedback: - I really like the WebCore rendering. Looks even nicer, especially with the new appearance options. Would be nice to be able to change the font for non-latin script modules, though, but that is something for later releases. - The printing output looks great! Especially with the new advanced references, this is a great tool to have a few scripture references in a nice layout. Would be nice to be able to change the book title display. E.g. instead of having the book name on top of the verse, add a "(John 3:16-17)" at the end of the verse. That would work nicely for a list of references from different books in the bible. - I like the back/forward toolbar items and the Cmd+Arrow keys control. Really helpful! - Overall, the new toolbar is a huge improvement, especially the quick module pop-up and the advanced reference field. Also, being able to customize the toolbar will be a real blessing in the future as new options are added. - I like that it saves the window positions. - I'm having trouble opening the "Find" window. It won't show up. Would be nice to have a "Find" field for the toolbar also. - The module information is great; I find "=About=" a bit obtrusive, though. Maybe "(About)" as entry for the book list would look better. Also, maybe instead of displaying the language code, you can display the full language name ("Chinese" instead of "zh", for example). - The service (sword://KJV/matt3.16) works perfectly now from Camino and Safari. How about making it sword:KJV/matt3.16 and introduce sword:/matt3.16 to open the verse in a "default" bible translation? When Timothy Berners-Lee was asked recently whether he regrets something about inventing the web, he said "double slash". ;) - MacSword sometimes crashes on me. I wouldn't take that too seriously, though -- Safari crashes on me all the time on this machine ever since the hard disk was full once. I'll try again on my PowerBook. - The book titles are not displayed correctly in titles when containing non-ASCII characters. E.g. Matthew should be "Matthäus" in German. It is correctly displayed in the book popup list as well as in the text itself, but the title (book name) on top says "Matth%us" (actually, it is the per mil sign, rather than the percent sign). - I'm having trouble with typing in advanced references. I think the problem is that the values of the book popup and the chapter popup are combined. E.g. if the chapter popup is set to "2", and I type in "Gen 3", the window title will say "Gen 3 2" and the window will display "Genesis 32". If you now type "Gen 3" into the book popup again, the window title is set to "gen 3 32", and the content displayed will be 2 Kings 19. (Probably the 332nd chapter in the bible? ;-)) One thing I'd like to see in MacSword is transliteration (maybe similar to the way Strong's numbers are displayed) and dictionary pop-ups. Can the bibletime filters be used to display transliteration? I'd love to help with coding for these, but I don't quite know where to start. Anyway, I hope the feedback is helpful! Thanks again for your very good work. MacSword is getting better all the time! Greetings, Christian -- crenz@web42.com - http://www.web42.com/crenz/ - http://www.web42.com/ "What we call Man's power over Nature turns out to be a power exercised by some men over other men with Nature as its instrument." -- C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 13:33:25 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:33:25 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: <20040113131448.GA7126@web42.com> References: <20040113121409.GA99825@web42.com> <20040113131448.GA7126@web42.com> Message-ID: <200401131433.31074.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, > - The module information is great; I find "=About=" a bit obtrusive, > though. Maybe "(About)" as entry for the book list would look > better. Also, maybe instead of displaying the language code, you can > display the full language name ("Chinese" instead of "zh", for example). In BibleTime we have a class (backend/clanguagemgr*) which contains all the information of the language stuff we use in BibleTime. E.g. the translated names for an abbrev, other abbrevs for the same language etc. Was a lot of work to convert the SIL language codes to this, so I'd suggest to make use of it :) > One thing I'd like to see in MacSword is transliteration (maybe > similar to the way Strong's numbers are displayed) and dictionary > pop-ups. Can the bibletime filters be used to display transliteration? > I'd love to help with coding for these, but I don't quite know where > to start. Transliteration is done as a filter option with more than two option values. I think in BT some of the transliteration stuff is in CSwrdBackend in bibletime/backend/cswordbackend*. At the moment ICU support is broken in Sword, so it doesn't work (at least in BibleTime). >Anyway, I hope the feedback is helpful! Thanks again for your very >good work. MacSword is getting better all the time! That's good to know. Our users asked to port BT to mac (which would be possible now with the native KDE to Mac port). But since MacSword is getting better we can tell them to use the new MacSword :) Joachim - -- <>< Re: deemed! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAA/OpEyRIb2AZBB0RAuTgAJ9yHTM+UJq+f4wjFSdOv0t4K/v2jACeIkwO G0Xl6wPXlzzUIpwun1mC/Ug= =nnMt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 13:42:35 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Will Thimbleby) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:42:35 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.7 & KJV2003 releases In-Reply-To: <20040109190001.13192.18197.Mailman@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <5874C5E2-45CE-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> Hi, Just a quick couple of questions; apologies if they've already been asked. When will the finalised KJV module be released? What does 1.5.7 offer over 1.5.6 and when will it be finalised. I would like to include both in MacSword 0.4 but it is not important. Cheers -Will From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 14:33:23 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Adam Maxwell) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:33:23 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: <20040113131448.GA7126@web42.com> References: <20040113121409.GA99825@web42.com> <20040113131448.GA7126@web42.com> Message-ID: <7151689C-45D5-11D8-909F-00306569EBA8@wsu.edu> Hi Will, Thanks for the new beta of MacSword; this is sweet! On 13 Jan, 2004, at 07:14, Christian Renz wrote: > - I'm having trouble opening the "Find" window. It won't show > up. Would be nice to have a "Find" field for the toolbar also. The Find window doesn't work for me either, and I'm having some occasional crashes (mostly while playing with the service). I'll see if I can figure out something reproducible. Other than that, this is great work! I like the new rendering, and speed is much improved on my machine. The Cmd-arrow key navigation works very well and I find it intuitive, and thanks for the tooltips->Strong's numbers! regards, Adam From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 15:37:02 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:37:02 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] proposal for changes in locale system Message-ID: <200401131637.03060.mg.pub@gmx.net> Hey all, now that 1.5.7 is released, I'd like to propose a change to the locale system. It seems that in BibleTime we can only use the locales which are encoded in the local 8bit encoding of the user. Selecting others won't work, as well as the windows specific locales (cp*). There are different possible approaches to this situation: 1. Change nothing. Rremains broken. ;) 2. Add UTF-8 locales for each language (Encoding= line in config file). Apps can then select which locale file (local or UTF-8) to use. No overhead in apps, maintenance overhead in Sword. 3. Convert everything to UTF-8. Apps then need to convert to local, if necessary. Small overhead in apps. 4. Add Encoding= line to all locale files and have apps convert strings to UTF-8 themselves, if necessary. Larger overhead in apps. I'd vote for number 3, but not sure if that is a possibility for Windows based programs. Any other suggestions/corrections? I'd like to volunteer for this kind of task (conversion etc.), in case I should be able to do it. Looking forward to hear what you think. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 15:55:27 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:55:27 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.7 & KJV2003 releases In-Reply-To: <5874C5E2-45CE-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> References: <5874C5E2-45CE-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200401131655.28680.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, > Just a quick couple of questions; apologies if they've already been > asked. When will the finalised KJV module be released? Yes :) As soon as Troy has the time. > What does 1.5.7 offer over 1.5.6 and when will it be finalised. I would like > to include both in MacSword 0.4 but it is not important. 1.5.7 is already released! The release was done around christmas. It offers bugfixes, esp. to the InstallMgr classes which allow to download modules from the net or from local CD. Joachim - -- <>< Re: deemed! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABBTvEyRIb2AZBB0RAkC1AJ9ylYDV3vnvQv1n35TM1vq6ubHNEACdGFj7 MTPGVX1B47xJQOKIUikHhEY= =fDXI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 16:07:39 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (sword-devel@crosswire.org) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:07:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.7 & KJV2003 releases In-Reply-To: <200401131655.28680.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> References: <5874C5E2-45CE-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> <200401131655.28680.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> Message-ID: <2307.159.230.96.109.1074010059.squirrel@twig2.kinex.net> Are there any precompiled W32 binaries of 1.5.7 available yet? I poked through the FTP site yesterday and only saw source. I have no compiler for Win. Thanks, Jason > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, >> Just a quick couple of questions; apologies if they've already been >> asked. When will the finalised KJV module be released? > > Yes :) As soon as Troy has the time. > >> What does 1.5.7 offer over 1.5.6 and when will it be finalised. I would >> like >> to include both in MacSword 0.4 but it is not important. > > 1.5.7 is already released! The release was done around christmas. > It offers bugfixes, esp. to the InstallMgr classes which allow to download > modules from the net or from local CD. > > Joachim > - -- > <>< Re: deemed! > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFABBTvEyRIb2AZBB0RAkC1AJ9ylYDV3vnvQv1n35TM1vq6ubHNEACdGFj7 > MTPGVX1B47xJQOKIUikHhEY= > =fDXI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 16:16:27 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:16:27 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.7 & KJV2003 releases In-Reply-To: <2307.159.230.96.109.1074010059.squirrel@twig2.kinex.net> References: <5874C5E2-45CE-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> <200401131655.28680.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> <2307.159.230.96.109.1074010059.squirrel@twig2.kinex.net> Message-ID: <200401131716.28223.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Windows program is still at version 1.5.6, the version may be different from the library. An updated Windows program will be release with the next Sword source release, 1.5.8, I think. Joachim > Are there any precompiled W32 binaries of 1.5.7 available yet? I poked > through the FTP site yesterday and only saw source. I have no compiler > for Win. > > Thanks, > Jason > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi, > > > >> Just a quick couple of questions; apologies if they've already been > >> asked. When will the finalised KJV module be released? > > > > Yes :) As soon as Troy has the time. > > > >> What does 1.5.7 offer over 1.5.6 and when will it be finalised. I would > >> like > >> to include both in MacSword 0.4 but it is not important. > > > > 1.5.7 is already released! The release was done around christmas. > > It offers bugfixes, esp. to the InstallMgr classes which allow to > > download modules from the net or from local CD. > > > > Joachim > > - -- > > <>< Re: deemed! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFABBTvEyRIb2AZBB0RAkC1AJ9ylYDV3vnvQv1n35TM1vq6ubHNEACdGFj7 > > MTPGVX1B47xJQOKIUikHhEY= > > =fDXI > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list > > sword-devel@crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel - -- <>< Re: deemed! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABBnbEyRIb2AZBB0RAoddAJ9J7+ygnxKoBDbczWl6G0wCHUP9gwCeP+1F /CZ4SPOK0Qg2kDvSb9AeKTw= =G3Mj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 17:48:24 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:48:24 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.7 & KJV2003 releases In-Reply-To: <5874C5E2-45CE-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> References: <5874C5E2-45CE-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <40042F68.2030108@crosswire.org> Hey Will, Yeah, here's the 1.5.7 ChangeLog entries: ftp://crosswire.org/pub/sword/source/v1.5/sword-1.5.7/ChangeLog To expound on a few of these: Not sure what filters you are using exactly, but the *HTMLHREF filters in the engine are probably the most current. These have been updated to easily facilitate the EntryAttributes for footnote and crossref popups in the frontend. Basically, when there is a footnote, they remove it from the markup and replace it with something like: *n So if footnotes are turned on, they are not inline any longer. Also same with crossrefs, except the 'n' is an 'x'. In the code, GnomeSword and BibleCS allow mouse-over popups on these and from the example href, the code behind the scenes looks something like: module->setKey("jn3:16"); module->RenderText(); // force lookup I think might be necessary SWBuf footnote = module->getEntryAttributes()["Footnote"]["1"]["body"]; also, for an xref, if you would like a verselist string, the last line would be: SWBuf verseList = module->getEntryAttributes()["Footnote"]["1"]["refList"]; The best way to see what is available for use in the entryAttributes is to run the sword/examples/cmdline/lookup program on a richly marked text, like: ./lookup ESV "John 1:1" Other thing to take advantage of is 'Pre-verse Headings'. You can see them in action in BibleCS, GnomeSword, and the WebTool, at: http://crosswire.org/sword/biblenew/passagestudy.jsp Notice the 'Testing Your Faith' at the top. These are also done with EntryAttributes. Here is the code excerpt from BibleCS. This is in the loop that builds the HTML for a Chapter display. It is just before adding the verse text body int pvHeading = 0; UnicodeRTF uToRTF; do { sprintf(buf, "%i", pvHeading++); SWBuf preverseHeading = module->getEntryAttributes()["Heading"]["Preverse"][buf].c_str(); uToRTF.processText(preverseHeading); if (preverseHeading.length()) { newtext += ((AnsiString)"\\par\\par {\\i1\\b1 ") + preverseHeading.c_str() + "\\par}"; } else break; } while (true); a few comments: it takes into account that there may be more than one preverse heading, which is never the case in any current module that I know of, but might be in the future-- thus the loop looking for ["Heading"]["Preverse"]["0"] then ...["1"], etc. It also runs the text thru a UnicodeRTF SWFilter, which you probably don't need to do, as your HTML renderer probably deals with UTF8, but our RTF renderer needs to deal with it in a special way. Bibletime takes advantage of the new InstallMgr calls in the engine. Here is a cool set of screenshots: http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bibletime/ Also, not sure what luck you've had with compiling clucene, but 1.5.7 includes an option (unfortunately it went out bundled 'ON' by default), for linking in support for fast clucene searches. If you get it compiled in, you can then try (and look at the calls in): sword/utilities/mkfastmod Which will build the indecies and turn on clucene searching (it replaces the 'MultiWord' search option currently) for a specific module. Also there is an undocumented new searchtype in 1.5.7, for searching entry attributes. It's been granted type -3 (don't think we assigned it a const define yet), and I think is the default in the search example under: sword/examples/cmdline/search you can try it with something like (using an example from above): ./search ESV "Footnote//body/love" This should find all verses that have a footnote with the word 'love' in the body. Possibly a more useful example might be: "Word//Strongs/G1722" Which will find all verses with this strong's code. Basically you can search for anything, in any entry attribute data. I needed it for a paper where I was assigned to find all the Greek words that were translated into 'save' in the English, so my search looked something like: ./search Thayer "AVPhrase//Phrase/save" (you need to edit your thayer.conf and uncomment the GreekLexAttribs filter) That's all I can think of right now. Please feel free to ask questions in email or join us on IRC at: irc.freenode.net, channel: #sword Excited to show off your new stuff to my Mac friends!!!! -Troy. Will Thimbleby wrote: > Hi, > > Just a quick couple of questions; apologies if they've already been > asked. When will the finalised KJV module be released? What does 1.5.7 > offer over 1.5.6 and when will it be finalised. I would like to include > both in MacSword 0.4 but it is not important. > > Cheers -Will > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 19:45:03 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:45:03 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] regarding NASB on e-sword. References: <20040113150357.54746.qmail@web40610.mail.yahoo.com> <400430C6.40304@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <002201c3da0d$bd5ffb80$0200a8c0@k2> > In a few weeks there should be an NASB module available for SWORD > software on any platform. I believe Lockman will be charging less of a > fee for SWORD software, as we have not requested any royalties from > them. This module, like all of our modules, should work fine with all > SWORD software on all platforms we support. > > -Troy A. Griffitts. FWIW, I found the Lockman Foundation *very* cooperative in allowing memorization freeware to have extensive use of NASB verses. There simply was no comparison to dealing with waiver issues with the other "Big Six" publishers (NIV, NKJV, NRSV, NLT, ESV, etc.) Lynn A. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 13 19:54:32 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Will Thimbleby) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:54:32 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] proposal for changes in locale system Message-ID: <4E1310D1-4602-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> You got my vote for number 3 as well that'd be really useful. -Will > 3. Convert everything to UTF-8. Apps then need to convert to local, if > necessary. Small overhead in apps. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 02:17:49 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:17:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: <200401131433.31074.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Joachim Ansorg wrote: > > One thing I'd like to see in MacSword is transliteration (maybe > > similar to the way Strong's numbers are displayed) and dictionary > > pop-ups. Can the bibletime filters be used to display transliteration? > > I'd love to help with coding for these, but I don't quite know where > > to start. > > Transliteration is done as a filter option with more than two option values. I > think in BT some of the transliteration stuff is in CSwrdBackend in > bibletime/backend/cswordbackend*. > At the moment ICU support is broken in Sword, so it doesn't work (at least in > BibleTime). ICU support is not broken in Sword. It may be broken in BibleTime, but it is not broken in Sword. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 03:23:03 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:23:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: <20040113131448.GA7126@web42.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Christian Renz wrote: > - The service (sword://KJV/matt3.16) works perfectly now from Camino > and Safari. How about making it sword:KJV/matt3.16 and > introduce sword:/matt3.16 to open the verse in a "default" bible > translation? When Timothy Berners-Lee was asked recently whether he > regrets something about inventing the web, he said "double > slash". ;) The private protocol for sword is defined as "sword:///". This is pretty old, so there's no chance of changes as drastic as dropping the // (even if that were possible, which I don't believe it is for Windows). We can probably add a defaulting mechanism after the next OSIS meeting decides on the naming scheme for document identifier. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 09:09:26 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:09:26 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401141009.32051.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, > ICU support is not broken in Sword. It may be broken in BibleTime, but it > is not broken in Sword. I keep getting (using ICU 2.6 on SuSE): joachim@joachim:~/BibleTime/bibletime> ./bibletime/bibletime no resource index to load in /usr/lib/sword/1.5.7_icu_2.6 status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR The dir appears because I changed the debug call locally. The dir content looks like this: translit_Any_Latex.res translit_CCAT_Syriac.res translit_Latin_Georgian.res translit_Latin_Ugaritic.res translit_Any_Latin1.res translit_Latin_Arabic.res translit_Latin_Gothic.res translit_BETA_Greek.res translit_Latin_Armenian.res translit_Latin_Hebrew.res translit_swordindex.res translit_BGreek_Greek.res translit_Latin_Coptic.res translit_Latin_Syriac.res translit_CCAT_Hebrew.res translit_Latin_Ethiopic.res translit_Latin_Thai.res I'd be glad to hear that we do something wrong in BibleTime, but I don't think we can do something about the missing resource stuff. Joachim - -- <>< Re: deemed! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABQdKEyRIb2AZBB0RAj15AKCXLTtMiR5GcV2ChkSj9+5q7Q9QJACdEyKy KtRlMzFeFd6tedYvmJYIQSY= =e5T/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 10:26:47 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Andy Piper) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:26:47 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] Introduction Message-ID: <40051967132302.53744810@freeuk.com> Hi there, I've just joined this list and for those who haven't yet met me on IRC or on the GnomeSword lists I thought I'd post a short introduction. I started working on the GnomeSword project about 2 months ago and I'm currently acting as a kind of project co-ordinator - doing lots of the admin tasks, making releases, and generally making sure that we stay on track [note to self: write a new project roadmap so we know where the track is going]. A couple of weeks ago I started work on some modules - prompted by the topic on the #sword channel asking for a module of The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah (nb I did submit a URL for a completed version to sword-support@crosswire.org but it hasn't turned up on any beta locations yet - Troy has an older copy somewhere on Crosswire). So my interest in SWORD is twofold, from my work on GnomeSword and from creating modules. I'm a GNOME hacker with some C skills, no C++, so I guess I'm more likely to create hassle by asking questions and spotting bugs than adding anything new directly in the engine. Looking forward to seeing more progress! Andy NB Troy - I'm on the list - that means I can start asking questions, right? ;-) -- Andy Piper - Farnborough, Hampshire (UK) andy.piper@freeuk.com http://www.andypiper.co.uk/ From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 10:26:36 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Christian Renz) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:26:36 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: References: <20040113131448.GA7126@web42.com> Message-ID: <20040114102636.GA93813@web42.com> >The private protocol for sword is defined as "sword:///". >This is pretty old, so there's no chance of changes as drastic as dropping Oh okay. It's more of a cosmetic thing anyway; in fact, I'm glad to hear it works on other platforms as well, making it a usable standard for Sword users. Greetings, Christian -- crenz@web42.com - http://www.web42.com/crenz/ - http://www.web42.com/ "It hath ever been the lot of truth (like the Lord of it) to be crucified between right-hand and left-hand thieves." -- Christopher Ness, An Antidote Against Arminianism, 1770 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 10:42:57 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:42:57 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Introduction In-Reply-To: <40051967132302.53744810@freeuk.com> References: <40051967132302.53744810@freeuk.com> Message-ID: <200401141143.04386.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, welcome to the list! > A couple of weeks ago I started work on some modules - prompted > by the topic on the #sword channel asking for a module of The > Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah (nb I did submit a URL for a > completed version to sword-support@crosswire.org but it hasn't > turned up on any beta locations yet - Troy has an older copy > somewhere on Crosswire). The lifetimes module is in the Bet section of the GenBooks. I'm not sure if I may post the URL here on the list :) > So my interest in SWORD is twofold, from my work on GnomeSword > and from creating modules. I'm a GNOME hacker with some C > skills, no C++, so I guess I'm more likely to create hassle by > asking questions and spotting bugs than adding anything new > directly in the engine. C++ isn't that hard :) Joachim - -- <>< Re: deemed! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABR02EyRIb2AZBB0RAi5bAKCkZvEdWEbMiNJttmXcjje3Fy3+GACglmyU l5hiKFNoTgldtHp9QO3aPAs= =y6DT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 10:57:59 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Andy Piper) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:57:59 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] Introduction References: <200401141143.04386.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> Message-ID: <400520b7cd98a6.71300401@freeuk.com> Joachim wrote: > The lifetimes module is in the Bet section of the GenBooks. Aha - I see it now - I was looking in the wrong place. It seems the BT guys have some issues with the size of the images in the module (need to scroll). I took them directly from the CCEL package and wasn't sure whether it is appropriate to resize (or completely revise) them where the text is PD. Do please let me know if I can improve the module in some way, or if anyone spots any issues. Andy -- Andy Piper - Farnborough, Hampshire (UK) andy.piper@freeuk.com http://www.andypiper.co.uk/ From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 11:16:03 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:16:03 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Introduction In-Reply-To: <400520b7cd98a6.71300401@freeuk.com> References: <200401141143.04386.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> <400520b7cd98a6.71300401@freeuk.com> Message-ID: <200401141216.10641.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, > Aha - I see it now - I was looking in the wrong place. > > It seems the BT guys have some issues with the size of the images > in the module (need to scroll). I'm one of the BibleTime guys :) > I took them directly from the > CCEL package and wasn't sure whether it is appropriate to resize > (or completely revise) them where the text is PD. Hm, scrolling depends on screen size. The same is probably true for GnomeSword and the Windows program. But the graphics are a bit too large, cleaning them up or maybe even redoing them would be cool. But I'm not sure about the license stuff. Joachim - -- <>< Re: deemed! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABST4EyRIb2AZBB0RAlnAAKCzRgArXRGNwB01oAJ9V5K2gmd84wCfSb1Q 5z0MBPgfIkKwnAd/m2h0LfI= =IcCT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 15:30:55 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:30:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Introduction In-Reply-To: <400520b7cd98a6.71300401@freeuk.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Andy Piper wrote: > Joachim wrote: > > The lifetimes module is in the Bet section of the GenBooks. > > Do please let me know if I can improve the module in some way, or > if anyone spots any issues. BibleCS users should either 1) not download this module or 2) not complain about the rendering. :) Since the module is ThML (and fairly messy ThML, straight from CCEL) most of the markup elements are not recognized by any of the filters. So looks good only if the ThML tags happen to match HTML tags and you're rendering with HTML (which BibleCS doesn't). We should probably use the OSIS version of the document, and will possibly need to clean that up too, before releasing this publicly. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 15:49:28 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:49:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta In-Reply-To: <200401141009.32051.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> Message-ID: Daniel might be better able to explain how to install these resources from the versions that ship as part of the Sword package, since he did all of that work. It sounds as if there's no problem with BibleTime, it's just that you don't have our ICU data installed. The official distribution of ICU isn't especially useful to us for transliteration since it has so few useful transliterators for Biblical languages. It's best to either use icu-sword from CVS or to copy the source/data/translit directory from it over the one from the official distribution, then re-build the data library. (You'll get a dozen or so Biblical language transliterators that aren't included in the Sword package too.) --Chris On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Joachim Ansorg wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > > ICU support is not broken in Sword. It may be broken in BibleTime, but it > > is not broken in Sword. > > I keep getting (using ICU 2.6 on SuSE): > > joachim@joachim:~/BibleTime/bibletime> ./bibletime/bibletime > no resource index to load in /usr/lib/sword/1.5.7_icu_2.6 > status U_MISSING_RESOURCE_ERROR > > The dir appears because I changed the debug call locally. The dir content > looks like this: > translit_Any_Latex.res > translit_CCAT_Syriac.res > translit_Latin_Georgian.res > translit_Latin_Ugaritic.res > translit_Any_Latin1.res > translit_Latin_Arabic.res > translit_Latin_Gothic.res > translit_BETA_Greek.res > translit_Latin_Armenian.res > translit_Latin_Hebrew.res > translit_swordindex.res > translit_BGreek_Greek.res > translit_Latin_Coptic.res > translit_Latin_Syriac.res > translit_CCAT_Hebrew.res > translit_Latin_Ethiopic.res > translit_Latin_Thai.res > > I'd be glad to hear that we do something wrong in BibleTime, but I don't think > we can do something about the missing resource stuff. > > Joachim > - -- > <>< Re: deemed! > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFABQdKEyRIb2AZBB0RAj15AKCXLTtMiR5GcV2ChkSj9+5q7Q9QJACdEyKy > KtRlMzFeFd6tedYvmJYIQSY= > =e5T/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 15:57:01 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Andy Piper) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:57:01 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1074095820.857.6.camel@castor> On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 15:30, Chris Little wrote: > Since the module is ThML (and fairly messy ThML, straight from CCEL) most > of the markup elements are not recognized by any of the filters. So looks > good only if the ThML tags happen to match HTML tags and you're rendering > with HTML (which BibleCS doesn't). Well I did toy with the idea of converting the markup to more straightforward HTML (as opposed to XHTML with embedded CSS) to make it look nicer in GnomeSword. That is still an option. > We should probably use the OSIS version of the document, and will possibly > need to clean that up too, before releasing this publicly. OK - didn't see an OSIS version at CCEL, and I just used the URL pointed at by whoever it was that set the #sword channel topic requesting the module. Is an OSIS version available? -- Andy Piper - Farnborough, Hampshire (UK) andy.piper@freeuk.com http://www.andypiper.co.uk/ From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 16:20:27 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Will Thimbleby) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:20:27 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] MacSword 0.4 beta Message-ID: <90A6E312-46AD-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> Thanks for your good work, Christian :) Your feedback was very helpful, and several good points that have gone on my to-do list. > - I'm having trouble opening the "Find" window. It won't show > up. Would be nice to have a "Find" field for the toolbar also. The find menu got disconnected, it works now. Cheers. > - The module information is great; I find "=About=" a bit obtrusive, > though. Maybe "(About)" as entry for the book list would look > better. Also, maybe instead of displaying the language code, you can > display the full language name ("Chinese" instead of "zh", for > example). I agree, I've altered it to "(About)", the language code I'll sort out later. I've made lots of trouble for myself in the past adding small features in at the last minute but it's a good idea. > - The service (sword://KJV/matt3.16) works perfectly now from Camino > and Safari. How about making it sword:KJV/matt3.16 and > introduce sword:/matt3.16 to open the verse in a "default" bible > translation? When Timothy Berners-Lee was asked recently whether he > regrets something about inventing the web, he said "double > slash". ;) I'm not certain NSURL works without double slash, but I'll look into it. The url syntax probably needs to be fixed sooner rather than later. > - MacSword sometimes crashes on me. I wouldn't take that too > seriously, though -- Safari crashes on me all the time on this > machine ever since the hard disk was full once. I'll try again on my > PowerBook. It's crashed for other people I'm looking into it. > - The book titles are not displayed correctly in titles when containing > non-ASCII characters. E.g. Matthew should be "Matthäus" in > German. It is correctly displayed in the book popup list as well as > in the text itself, but the title (book name) on top says "Matth%us" > (actually, it is the per mil sign, rather than the percent sign). Fixed - thanks I wouldn't have noticed. > > - I'm having trouble with typing in advanced references. I think the > problem is that the values of the book popup and the chapter popup > are combined. E.g. if the chapter popup is set to "2", and I type in > "Gen 3", the window title will say "Gen 3 2" and the window will > display "Genesis 32". If you now type "Gen 3" into the book popup > again, the window title is set to "gen 3 32", and the content > displayed will be 2 Kings 19. (Probably the 332nd chapter in the > bible? ;-)) Working on it right now. > One thing I'd like to see in MacSword is transliteration (maybe > similar to the way Strong's numbers are displayed) and dictionary > pop-ups. Can the bibletime filters be used to display transliteration? > I'd love to help with coding for these, but I don't quite know where > to start. I don't know anything about transliteration, I stuck in the menu item as a place holder a long time ago. If you figure anything out let me know - that'd be really useful. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 16:20:36 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Will Thimbleby) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:20:36 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] sword:// URL formats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9626352C-46AD-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> At the moment with MacSword I use a slightly strange URL format: sword://@/ I send the options as the user, separated by &. Bit of a kludge but allows me to have persistent options easily within the url. I did use the query but it's not persistent. eg. sword://Strong's%20Numbers@KJV/2tim1 sword://Cross-references&Headings@ISV/j3 As the module you can also use default names 'Bible', 'Commentary' (actually the same at the moment), 'StrongsGreek', 'StrongsHebrew', 'MorphGreek', 'MorphHebrew'. I think these should probably be changed not to conflict the module names perhaps by appending a character like ">StrongsGreek". Also I had a way of specifying the default bible so sword://Bible/ASV/j3 would specify a bible preferably ASV at john 3. This is not quite ideal as it changes the format of the urls, perhaps Bible=ASV might work. One last thing MacSword does/should do is if it can't find a module it uses the default bible. So sword:///j3 works fine. I think it would be good to fix this for MacSword. And it would be really good if any of you had good ideas on how the url format could be improved and perhaps made consistent across programs. Cheers -Will On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 03:23 am, Chris Little wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Christian Renz wrote: > >> - The service (sword://KJV/matt3.16) works perfectly now from Camino >> and Safari. How about making it sword:KJV/matt3.16 and >> introduce sword:/matt3.16 to open the verse in a "default" bible >> translation? When Timothy Berners-Lee was asked recently whether he >> regrets something about inventing the web, he said "double >> slash". ;) > > The private protocol for sword is defined as "sword:///". > This is pretty old, so there's no chance of changes as drastic as > dropping > the // (even if that were possible, which I don't believe it is for > Windows). We can probably add a defaulting mechanism after the next > OSIS > meeting decides on the naming scheme for document identifier. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 16:53:14 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Will Thimbleby) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:53:14 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.7 & KJV2003 releases In-Reply-To: <40042F68.2030108@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <24D4BE68-46B2-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> Thanks for the enormous detail. > Not sure what filters you are using exactly, but the *HTMLHREF filters > in the engine are probably the most current. These have been updated > to easily facilitate the EntryAttributes for footnote and crossref > popups in the frontend. Basically, when there is a footnote, they > remove it from the markup and replace it with something like: > *n I'm using BibleTime's filters slightly modified (they were the most complete last time I looked), I'll have a look at the new features, but I do quite like my footnotes and cross-refs inline. Users might disagree though. > Other thing to take advantage of is 'Pre-verse Headings'. You can see > them in action in BibleCS, GnomeSword, and the WebTool, at: > > ... > > a few comments: it takes into account that there may be more than one > preverse heading, which is never the case in any current module that I > know of, but might be in the future-- thus the loop looking for > ["Heading"]["Preverse"]["0"] then ...["1"], etc. It also runs the > text thru a UnicodeRTF SWFilter, which you probably don't need to do, > as your HTML renderer probably deals with UTF8, but our RTF renderer > needs to deal with it in a special way. Cheers. You just reminded me of something. It renders UTF8 now (was html hex chars but UTF8s faster and easier). And I'll see what I can do about Pre-verse Headings. > Bibletime takes advantage of the new InstallMgr calls in the engine. > Here is a cool set of screenshots: > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bibletime/ > > > Also, not sure what luck you've had with compiling clucene, but 1.5.7 > includes an option (unfortunately it went out bundled 'ON' by > default), for linking in support for fast clucene searches. I'll have a proper look at clucene after 0.4 is done. Sounds useful and exciting. And I'll look at the InstallMgr it would be useful to have that functionality in MacSword. Cheers -Will From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 18:08:18 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:08:18 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.7 & KJV2003 releases In-Reply-To: <24D4BE68-46B2-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> References: <24D4BE68-46B2-11D8-9A81-003065B2931A@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <40058592.2030409@crosswire.org> :) Hope it's helpful. A good place to start with the new utilities in: sword/src/mgr/installmgr.cpp is the basic commandline installer that makes use of most of the calls: sword/utilities/installmgr.cpp Will Thimbleby wrote: > Thanks for the enormous detail. > >> Not sure what filters you are using exactly, but the *HTMLHREF filters >> in the engine are probably the most current. These have been updated >> to easily facilitate the EntryAttributes for footnote and crossref >> popups in the frontend. Basically, when there is a footnote, they >> remove it from the markup and replace it with something like: >> *n > > > I'm using BibleTime's filters slightly modified (they were the most > complete last time I looked), I'll have a look at the new features, but > I do quite like my footnotes and cross-refs inline. Users might disagree > though. > >> Other thing to take advantage of is 'Pre-verse Headings'. You can see >> them in action in BibleCS, GnomeSword, and the WebTool, at: >> >> ... >> >> a few comments: it takes into account that there may be more than one >> preverse heading, which is never the case in any current module that I >> know of, but might be in the future-- thus the loop looking for >> ["Heading"]["Preverse"]["0"] then ...["1"], etc. It also runs the >> text thru a UnicodeRTF SWFilter, which you probably don't need to do, >> as your HTML renderer probably deals with UTF8, but our RTF renderer >> needs to deal with it in a special way. > > > Cheers. You just reminded me of something. It renders UTF8 now (was html > hex chars but UTF8s faster and easier). And I'll see what I can do about > Pre-verse Headings. > >> Bibletime takes advantage of the new InstallMgr calls in the engine. >> Here is a cool set of screenshots: >> >> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bibletime/ >> >> >> Also, not sure what luck you've had with compiling clucene, but 1.5.7 >> includes an option (unfortunately it went out bundled 'ON' by >> default), for linking in support for fast clucene searches. > > > I'll have a proper look at clucene after 0.4 is done. Sounds useful and > exciting. And I'll look at the InstallMgr it would be useful to have > that functionality in MacSword. > > Cheers -Will > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 14 19:20:19 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:20:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Introduction In-Reply-To: <1074095820.857.6.camel@castor> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Andy Piper wrote: > On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 15:30, Chris Little wrote: > > Since the module is ThML (and fairly messy ThML, straight from CCEL) most > > of the markup elements are not recognized by any of the filters. So looks > > good only if the ThML tags happen to match HTML tags and you're rendering > > with HTML (which BibleCS doesn't). > > Well I did toy with the idea of converting the markup to more > straightforward HTML (as opposed to XHTML with embedded CSS) to make it > look nicer in GnomeSword. That is still an option. > > > We should probably use the OSIS version of the document, and will possibly > > need to clean that up too, before releasing this publicly. > > OK - didn't see an OSIS version at CCEL, and I just used the URL pointed > at by whoever it was that set the #sword channel topic requesting the > module. Is an OSIS version available? I *think* that any document at CCEL that is available as ThML is also available as OSIS. However, they are OSIS 1.1, so they might need a little updating to conform to OSIS 2.0. I'm not sure how well xml2gbs will be able to process it either, since the style of markup is a little different from my style (on which xml2gbs is based). --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 15 05:18:52 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:18:52 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <400622BC.90209@crosswire.org> Johan, I don't have a wince handheld right now, but would like to help you out a little on this project. Can you tell me exactly what version of the development tools to download (possibly with a link), and how I might get things compiled? I'm guessing that they come with some kind of emulator for debugging, so I can still help without a device; is this correct? My plans: Get all required modifications to the sword library into the main sword CVS repository. Split your frontend out from the sword code and be sure it compiles against the latest sword CVS repository. Get your frontend checked into CVS so we can keep it version controlled and can share in the development together. Try a few unicode modules out and be sure we can get it working with at least Greek, Hebrew, and Roman scripts. And finally, I'll help you with your question about turning options on and off. If you get time before I get all these previous things done, the functions that you'll want to look at are SWMgr::getGlobalOptions, and others right around that one in the include file. Excited to work together on this. I know many people are overjoyed that you've started this and accomplished so much! -Troy. Johan Gorter wrote: > Hello all, > > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it can > do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone who > is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and what an > IPAQ looks like) > > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ > > I have a question about the thml filters: > > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? > > I hope someone can help me out here. > > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the project > is like this: > > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list > version 0.6 - The update version that I sent > version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) > version 0.8 - The find page implemented > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a webpage, > a normal installer, an about screen, etc > > Greetings from the Netherlands, > > Johan > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 15 15:16:59 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Patrick Stanley) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:16:59 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] KJV module problems In-Reply-To: <20040114162219.8231.63653.Mailman@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <001701c3db7a$9f758cc0$8200a8c0@believe> Greetings, The lurker speaks! I found an updated KJV module some time ago in Install Manager and installed it. KJV has not been usable since. It seem that it is not decoded for some reason. I have two rows of tabs that seem to work just fine, so it seems to be just the KJV. Since there are no other reports in the archives of this behavior, I guess I am the winner. Here is a sample from verse 1 of John 1. By the way, I am using 1.5.5 and all of the options are "off." 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 >1src="11" lemma="x-Strongs:G3588" morph="x-Robinson:T-ASM">lemma="x-Strongs:G3588" morph="x-Robinson:T-NSM">lemma="x-Strongs:G3588" morph="x-Robinson:T-NSM">lemma="x-Strongs:G1722" morph="x-Robinson:PREP">In lemma="x-Strongs:G746" morph="x-Robinson:N-DSF">the beginning lemma="x-Strongs:G2258" morph="x-Robinson:V-IXI-3S">was lemma="x-Strongs:G3056" morph="x-Robinson:N-NSM">the Word, lemma="x-Strongs:G2532" morph="x-Robinson:CONJ">and lemma="x-Strongs:G3056" morph="x-Robinson:N-NSM">the Word lemma="x-Strongs:G2258" morph="x-Robinson:V-IXI-3S">was lemma="x-Strongs:G4314" morph="x-Robinson:PREP">with lemma="x-Strongs:G2316" morph="x-Robinson:N-ASM">God, lemma="x-Strongs:G2532" morph="x-Robinson:CONJ">and lemma="x-Strongs:G3056" morph="x-Robinson:N-NSM">the Word lemma="x-Strongs:G2258" morph="x-Robinson:V-IXI-3S">was lemma="x-Strongs:G2316" morph="x-Robinson:N-NSM">God.type="strongsMarkup" name="ng" date="2002-12-22-19:01"/> 2lemma="x-Strongs:G3588" morph="x-Robinson:T-ASM">lemma="x-Strongs:G3778" morph="x-Robinson:D-NSM">The same lemma="x-Strongs:G2258" morph="x-Robinson:V-IXI-3S">was lemma="x-Strongs:G1722" morph="x-Robinson:PREP">in lemma="x-Strongs:G746" morph="x-Robinson:N-DSF">the beginning lemma="x-Strongs:G4314" morph="x-Robinson:PREP">with lemma="x-Strongs:G2316" morph="x-Robinson:N-ASM">God.type="strongsMarkup" name="ng" date="2002-12-24-09:27"/> 3lemma="x-Strongs:G3956" morph="x-Robinson:A-NPN">All things lemma="x-Strongs:G1096" morph="x-Robinson:V-2ADI-3S">were made src="2" lemma="x-Strongs:G1223" morph="x-Robinson:PREP">by lemma="x-Strongs:G846" morph="x-Robinson:P-GSM">him; lemma="x-Strongs:G2532" morph="x-Robinson:CONJ">and lemma="x-Strongs:G5565" morph="x-Robinson:ADV">without lemma="x-Strongs:G846" morph="x-Robinson:P-GSM">him lemma="x-Strongs:G1096" morph="x-Robinson:V-2ADI-3S" splitID="13">was src="9" lemma="x-Strongs:G3761" morph="x-Robinson:ADV">not lemma="x-Strongs:G1520" morph="x-Robinson:A-NSN">any thing lemma="x-Strongs:G1096" morph="x-Robinson:V-2ADI-3S">made lemma="x-Strongs:G3739" morph="x-Robinson:R-NSN">that lemma="x-Strongs:G1096" morph="x-Robinson:V-2RAI-3S">was made.type="strongsMarkup" name="ng" date="2002-12-24-09:29"/> 4lemma="x- > >since there are no other reports in the archives of this occurance, I guess >I am the winner. > >_______________________________________________ >sword-devel mailing list >sword-devel@crosswire.org >http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 15 20:01:03 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:01:03 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] proposal for changes in locale system In-Reply-To: <200401131637.03060.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <200401131637.03060.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200401152101.04035.mg.pub@gmx.net> Just to let you know: Troy and I talked about it in the chat. We'll go for option 4 for now, so that UTF-8 locales can be added after I verified that UTF-8 will work with Sword internally. Existing locales will remain, and all will get an encoding line. At some point in future we might use only UTF-8.... This way older apps won't break. I'll give it a try, if somebody wants to help, just speak up. mg Am Dienstag, 13. Januar 2004 16:37 schrieb Martin Gruner: > Hey all, > > now that 1.5.7 is released, I'd like to propose a change to the locale > system. > > It seems that in BibleTime we can only use the locales which are encoded in > the local 8bit encoding of the user. Selecting others won't work, as well > as the windows specific locales (cp*). > > There are different possible approaches to this situation: > > 1. Change nothing. Rremains broken. ;) > 2. Add UTF-8 locales for each language (Encoding= line in config file). > Apps can then select which locale file (local or UTF-8) to use. No overhead > in apps, maintenance overhead in Sword. > 3. Convert everything to UTF-8. Apps then need to convert to local, if > necessary. Small overhead in apps. > 4. Add Encoding= line to all locale files and have apps convert strings to > UTF-8 themselves, if necessary. Larger overhead in apps. > > I'd vote for number 3, but not sure if that is a possibility for Windows > based programs. Any other suggestions/corrections? I'd like to volunteer > for this kind of task (conversion etc.), in case I should be able to do it. > Looking forward to hear what you think. > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 16 05:00:44 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:00:44 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <40076FFC.8060202@crosswire.org> Johan and other, I have made some progress, hopefully. I have the sword.dll compiling against the main sword CVS tree now. All changes to the sword lib are checked in. Here's the swordreader.zip: http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordreader.zip It needs to have sword cvs checked out at the same level as itself, e.g. D:\src\sword D:\src\swordreader\ I haven't been able to figure out how to copy files to the emulator, so I can't seem to run the program (no modules). But it builds :) If anyone knows how to provide a mkdir (to make a directory) or a remove (to delete a file), there are currently empty functions right now in the swordce project. Hope to get more done soon. -Troy. Johan Gorter wrote: > Hello all, > > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it can > do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone who > is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and what an > IPAQ looks like) > > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ > > I have a question about the thml filters: > > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? > > I hope someone can help me out here. > > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the project > is like this: > > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list > version 0.6 - The update version that I sent > version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) > version 0.8 - The find page implemented > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a webpage, > a normal installer, an about screen, etc > > Greetings from the Netherlands, > > Johan > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 16 13:20:23 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:20:23 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Thanks for helping out with sword-support References: <200401131449.i0DEn7b26299@relay2.tdcnorge.no> <200401131116.58922.preacherdave@saintmail.net> Message-ID: <005b01c3dc33$7fd58b90$0200a8c0@k2> Hi "Preacher Dave", Just wanted to say "Thanks!" for helping out with sword-support. This task is one of the more tedious, least appreciated, but clearly vital activity of the CrossWire Bible Society. Are you familiar with the TWiki FAQ? I found this invaluable to reference when I was a "sword-support'er". http://www.crosswire.org/ucgi-bin/twiki/view/Faq/WebHome There has been some discussion about allowing experienced "sword-support'ers" to actually edit and add to the TWiki. It is easier than you might imagine ... and a *hoot*. During my limited time as a "sword-support'er", I was trying to build up a _portfolio of canned responses_. I found it more effective and a big time saver to simply have many/most replies to sword-support be references to TWiki pages. 80/20 For His glory and honor, Lynn A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Preacher Dave" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [sword-support] Translation From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 16 13:43:07 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Johan Gorter) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:43:07 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <400622BC.90209@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000c01c3dc36$acbae4e0$9f895982@DRSOONGVAIO> Hello Troy, Thanks for helping out. First of all, there is a windows development suite (embedded visual tools 3.0, pocket pc 2002 edition). This can be downloaded for free and runs on windows NT/2000/XP. (you only need C++, not visual basic) You can download it from: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/resources/downloads/developer/def ault.mspx It comes with an emulator, so you can use it. (I should add however that this device only emulates 16Mb of memory and sometimes a large book like psalms will not decompress). The frontend is already split off from the library. There are two projects in the workspace, one which results in the sword.dll file and one which results in the gui.exe. The gui uses the header files and the generated sword.lib from the first project though. I really hope you can get the main sword repository working with this gui. I was thinking since I had to make a lot of modifications due to problems with namespaces, we should disable the namespaces in the sword library (There was an option for this, wasn't there?). Feel free to make the CVS repository with the gui sources that I sent already. If it needs some modifications due to changes in the sword library, this should only be in one file, which is the wrapper. I do not know if the unicode modules will be easy to do. The CE-system is completely unicode, but it may need some more work to function. Greetings and may God bless you, Johan -----Original Message----- From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 06:19 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface Johan, I don't have a wince handheld right now, but would like to help you out a little on this project. Can you tell me exactly what version of the development tools to download (possibly with a link), and how I might get things compiled? I'm guessing that they come with some kind of emulator for debugging, so I can still help without a device; is this correct? My plans: Get all required modifications to the sword library into the main sword CVS repository. Split your frontend out from the sword code and be sure it compiles against the latest sword CVS repository. Get your frontend checked into CVS so we can keep it version controlled and can share in the development together. Try a few unicode modules out and be sure we can get it working with at least Greek, Hebrew, and Roman scripts. And finally, I'll help you with your question about turning options on and off. If you get time before I get all these previous things done, the functions that you'll want to look at are SWMgr::getGlobalOptions, and others right around that one in the include file. Excited to work together on this. I know many people are overjoyed that you've started this and accomplished so much! -Troy. Johan Gorter wrote: > Hello all, > > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it > can do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone > who is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and > what an IPAQ looks like) > > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ > > I have a question about the thml filters: > > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I > get the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also > shown? > > I hope someone can help me out here. > > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the > project is like this: > > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list version 0.6 > - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this version (Source > and compiled version in > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) > version 0.8 - The find page implemented > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a > webpage, a normal installer, an about screen, etc > > Greetings from the Netherlands, > > Johan > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 16 14:29:32 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:29:32 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Bug in sword 1.5.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401161529.32399.mg.pub@gmx.net> Hugo, thanks for your patch! Since it looks good and nobody objected yet, I applied it to cvs. Martin Am Samstag, 10. Januar 2004 11:49 schrieb Hugo van der Kooij: > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Hugo van der Kooij wrote: > > I noticed a bug in the makefile for sword 1.5.7 > > > > The install_config phase has a hardcoded path to /etc/ instead of the > > sysconfdir variable that should have been used. > > After final tests I made the following patch: > > --- sword-1.5.7/Makefile.in.OLD 2003-12-26 06:55:43.000000000 +0100 > +++ sword-1.5.7/Makefile.in 2004-01-10 10:37:45.000000000 +0100 > @@ -879,8 +879,8 @@ > @echo "" > > install_config: > - @echo "[Install]" > /etc/sword.conf > - @echo "DataPath=$(pkgdatadir)/" >> /etc/sword.conf > + @echo "[Install]" > $(sysconfdir)/sword.conf > + @echo "DataPath=$(pkgdatadir)/" >> $(sysconfdir)/sword.conf > @echo "sword.conf generated" > # Tell versions [3.59,3.63) of GNU make to not export all variables. > # Otherwise a system limit (for SysV at least) may be exceeded. > > Now the sysconfdir variable can be used to control the package building. > An updates RPM set have been created using this new patch which now builds > clean for common users as well. > > Hugo. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 16 18:40:51 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:40:51 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <000c01c3dc36$acbae4e0$9f895982@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000c01c3dc36$acbae4e0$9f895982@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <40083033.8080400@crosswire.org> Johah, Thanks for the answers and encouragement. Johan Gorter wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/resources/downloads/developer/def > ault.mspx > > It comes with an emulator, so you can use it. (I should add however that > this device only emulates 16Mb of memory and sometimes a large book like > psalms will not decompress). I'm still not sure how to upload a module to the emulator. Any help there would be greatly appreciated. > The frontend is already split off from the library. There are two > projects in the workspace, one which results in the sword.dll file and > one which results in the gui.exe. The gui uses the header files and the > generated sword.lib from the first project though. Yes, you had everything split very nicely! Very nice work. > I really hope you can get the main sword repository working with this > gui. I was thinking since I had to make a lot of modifications due to > problems with namespaces, we should disable the namespaces in the sword > library (There was an option for this, wasn't there?). Well, like I said, it 'compiles' for me now :) I'm not sure if it actually works, cuz I can't get a Bible onto the emulator yet :) > Feel free to make the CVS repository with the gui sources that I sent > already. If it needs some modifications due to changes in the sword > library, this should only be in one file, which is the wrapper. Thank you. I've just added the CVS module called 'swordreader'. Your write access information will follow in a private email. > I do not know if the unicode modules will be easy to do. The CE-system > is completely unicode, but it may need some more work to function. > > Greetings and may God bless you, Thank you again! This is fun :) May God use this work mightily for His Kingdom. -Troy. > > Johan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 06:19 > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface > > > Johan, > I don't have a wince handheld right now, but would like to help > you out > a little on this project. Can you tell me exactly what version of the > development tools to download (possibly with a link), and how I might > get things compiled? I'm guessing that they come with some kind of > emulator for debugging, so I can still help without a device; is this > correct? > > My plans: > Get all required modifications to the sword library into the > main sword > CVS repository. > > Split your frontend out from the sword code and be sure it > compiles > against the latest sword CVS repository. > > Get your frontend checked into CVS so we can keep it version > controlled > and can share in the development together. > > Try a few unicode modules out and be sure we can get it working > with at > least Greek, Hebrew, and Roman scripts. > > And finally, I'll help you with your question about turning > options on > and off. If you get time before I get all these previous things done, > the functions that you'll want to look at are SWMgr::getGlobalOptions, > and others right around that one in the include file. > > Excited to work together on this. I know many people are > overjoyed > that you've started this and accomplished so much! > > -Troy. > > > > Johan Gorter wrote: > >>Hello all, >> >>I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for >>sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it >>can do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone > > >>who is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>what an IPAQ looks like) >> >>http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >> >>I have a question about the thml filters: >> >>I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I >>get the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > > >>somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > > >>that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>shown? >> >>I hope someone can help me out here. >> >>My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>project is like this: >> >>version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list version 0.6 > > >>- The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this version (Source >>and compiled version in >>http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>webpage, a normal installer, an about screen, etc >> >>Greetings from the Netherlands, >> >>Johan >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 17 00:32:49 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:32:49 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Daily Verse Project Message-ID: <000101c3dc91$6f991d60$0200a8c0@k2> [sword-devel] Daily Verse Project> I'd like to compile a list of scripture references that could serve as a > "daily verse" for 2004. I want to compile a list of 366 passages for this > purpose. Please stop by and add to the growing list. I'd like to have it > ready by New Year's Eve. I'll make the list available to anyone that would > like it. Hi Don, I have been meaning to contribute to your verse-a-day project, and finally got around to it. Looks like you have most of the 366 "slots" accounted for. If it helps, I can send several hundred verses from the InVerse Scripture memorization freeware. This is a list from the NKJV, and reflects the following: * Ruth Graham Bell's "Scripture Treasury" * Evangelism Explosion verses * "Share Jesus Without Fear" verses * Roman Road verses * PCA "Discovery" verses (5th grade Sunday school) * Awana Club memorization verses * "101 Verses Every Christian Should Know" * From Charles Stanley's InTouch monthly devotions * Other sources By the way, the "experimental plug-in subset" of the sword-api might be applicable for this project. Using CanonVersification rather than VerseKey (and all the dependencies it and the managers create), the resulting executable could be dramatically smaller (and probably faster). On Windows, it would probably be less than 80kb for a self-contained VersePerDaySetup.exe, including nsis installer. Hope this helps. Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 17 10:00:47 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Johan Gorter) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:00:47 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <40083033.8080400@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000001c3dce0$c7b99840$9f895982@DRSOONGVAIO> Hello, The trick to uploading files is the little program, which gets normally installed in: C:\Program Files\Windows CE Tools\BIN\CEFILEVW.EXE You have to copy the files one by one and make the directories by hand. I tried to find faster ways to do this, but this was a waste of time. Great that windows CE can use the newest sword libraries now! Good luck with the Unicode things you want to get done. I will hope to check in a change soon that will allow disabling the HTML interface using a compiler-directive. When you use this, the emulator will speed up some, but more importantly, debugging will work again. I recon that the Unicode will also be easier to get to work without the HTML. Johan -----Original Message----- From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 19:41 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface Johah, Thanks for the answers and encouragement. Johan Gorter wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/resources/downloads/developer/d > ef > ault.mspx > > It comes with an emulator, so you can use it. (I should add however > that this device only emulates 16Mb of memory and sometimes a large > book like psalms will not decompress). I'm still not sure how to upload a module to the emulator. Any help there would be greatly appreciated. > The frontend is already split off from the library. There are two > projects in the workspace, one which results in the sword.dll file and > one which results in the gui.exe. The gui uses the header files and > the generated sword.lib from the first project though. Yes, you had everything split very nicely! Very nice work. > I really hope you can get the main sword repository working with this > gui. I was thinking since I had to make a lot of modifications due to > problems with namespaces, we should disable the namespaces in the > sword library (There was an option for this, wasn't there?). Well, like I said, it 'compiles' for me now :) I'm not sure if it actually works, cuz I can't get a Bible onto the emulator yet :) > Feel free to make the CVS repository with the gui sources that I sent > already. If it needs some modifications due to changes in the sword > library, this should only be in one file, which is the wrapper. Thank you. I've just added the CVS module called 'swordreader'. Your write access information will follow in a private email. > I do not know if the unicode modules will be easy to do. The CE-system > is completely unicode, but it may need some more work to function. > > Greetings and may God bless you, Thank you again! This is fun :) May God use this work mightily for His Kingdom. -Troy. > > Johan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. > Griffitts > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 06:19 > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface > > > Johan, > I don't have a wince handheld right now, but would like to help you > out a little on this project. Can you tell me exactly what version of > the development tools to download (possibly with a link), and how I > might get things compiled? I'm guessing that they come with some kind > of emulator for debugging, so I can still help without a device; is > this correct? > > My plans: > Get all required modifications to the sword library into the main > sword CVS repository. > > Split your frontend out from the sword code and be sure it compiles > against the latest sword CVS repository. > > Get your frontend checked into CVS so we can keep it version > controlled and can share in the development together. > > Try a few unicode modules out and be sure we can get it working with > at least Greek, Hebrew, and Roman scripts. > > And finally, I'll help you with your question about turning options > on and off. If you get time before I get all these previous things > done, the functions that you'll want to look at are > SWMgr::getGlobalOptions, and others right around that one in the > include file. > > Excited to work together on this. I know many people are overjoyed > that you've started this and accomplished so much! > > -Troy. > > > > Johan Gorter wrote: > >>Hello all, >> >>I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for >>sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it >>can do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone > > >>who is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>what an IPAQ looks like) >> >>http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >> >>I have a question about the thml filters: >> >>I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I >>get the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > > >>somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > > >>that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>shown? >> >>I hope someone can help me out here. >> >>My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>project is like this: >> >>version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list version 0.6 > > >>- The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this version (Source >>and compiled version in >>http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>webpage, a normal installer, an about screen, etc >> >>Greetings from the Netherlands, >> >>Johan >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 17 11:33:05 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (William Thimbleby) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:33:05 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] KJV Morphology In-Reply-To: <200401161529.32399.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <200401161529.32399.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: Hi, Which module does the KJV morphology refer to? The OT seems to work with StrongsHebrew, so would it be an idea to add HebrewParse into the config file of that? But for the life of me I can't work out where the NT morphology can be found. Cheers -Will From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 17 15:55:36 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Johan Gorter) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:55:36 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE updates In-Reply-To: <40083033.8080400@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000101c3dd12$5932b0f0$9f895982@DRSOONGVAIO> Hello Troy, I tried to get the windows CE to work again. Unfortunately I did not succeed. I saw that you made some changes in the 'unistd' to open files. It might seem logical to convert paths to windows format, but the IPAQ understands unix-paths perfectly. Without this malfunctioning conversion-function, I could still not get it to work, because of the changes due to the new file open 'permissions' (Shared read?). I did not entirely understand how you wanted to get this to work. I will just wait until you finish this. I checked in a change to disable the HTML, when you compile with -DNOHTML. I also changed the project- and workspace files to BINARY format, my eVC won't run them when they have unix end-of-lines. Thanks for the account. I hope you have success getting the program to work on the emulator soon. Johan From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 17 18:12:50 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:12:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] KJV Morphology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Robinson module holds the morphology information for the Byz, TR, and WHNU modules. Marking Greek morphology in an English text that reflects completely different morphology never made much sense to me, but the KJV2003 uses the same codes. You should be able to find the encoding scheme if you look at the unmodified module data. --Chris On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, William Thimbleby wrote: > Hi, > > Which module does the KJV morphology refer to? The OT seems to work > with StrongsHebrew, so would it be an idea to add HebrewParse into the > config file of that? But for the life of me I can't work out where the > NT morphology can be found. > > Cheers -Will > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 17 18:19:53 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:19:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE updates In-Reply-To: <000101c3dd12$5932b0f0$9f895982@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: Johan, > I checked in a change to disable the HTML, when you compile with > -DNOHTML. I also changed the project- and workspace files to BINARY > format, my eVC won't run them when they have unix end-of-lines. Only _real_ binary files should be checked in as binary. I'm not sure which CVS program you're using, but WinCVS has an option to check files out with Unix LF (on the Checkout settings' Globals tab)--otherwise it will convert LF to CR+LF. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 17 20:00:54 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:00:54 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE updates In-Reply-To: <000101c3dd12$5932b0f0$9f895982@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000101c3dd12$5932b0f0$9f895982@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <40099476.6090108@crosswire.org> Johan, I have been cursing CE for the last 2 days :) I always was getting your error dialog box in open: file: /Program File/sword/mods.conf could not be open. Sometimes I'd get error 0, which means it was successful??? Sometimes all kinds of other errors. So, after trying EVERYTHING, I figured using the native FileCreate, CloseHandle, ReadFile, SetFilePointer calls would probably be preferred, and they actually worked for me. I'm getting an error in the stl map template now, but am trying to work it out. If you want, join me on irc.freenode.net #sword and we can chat about it. If you think the older file io routines are better, and can show me how to make them work, let's roll my changes back. I'll keep ya posted. I've been creeping forward, so hope to have it working soon. -Troy. Johan Gorter wrote: > Hello Troy, > > I tried to get the windows CE to work again. Unfortunately I did not > succeed. I saw that you made some changes in the 'unistd' to open files. > > It might seem logical to convert paths to windows format, but the IPAQ > understands unix-paths perfectly. Without this malfunctioning > conversion-function, I could still not get it to work, because of the > changes due to the new file open 'permissions' (Shared read?). I did not > entirely understand how you wanted to get this to work. I will just wait > until you finish this. > > I checked in a change to disable the HTML, when you compile with > -DNOHTML. I also changed the project- and workspace files to BINARY > format, my eVC won't run them when they have unix end-of-lines. > > Thanks for the account. > > I hope you have success getting the program to work on the emulator > soon. > > Johan > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 17 20:15:29 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:15:29 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE updates In-Reply-To: <000101c3dd12$5932b0f0$9f895982@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000101c3dd12$5932b0f0$9f895982@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <400997E1.9000007@crosswire.org> Johan, Argh! I spoke 10 minutes too soon! I think it works now. You can remove your mods.conf (old style configurations) and create a mods.d directory and just drop your *.conf files in there now (new config style). I haven't tried it yet, but you should be able to take advantage of the /etc/sword.conf entries to load books off flash media. Here's our config for the Zaurus. I don't know what the paths might be on the ce device. I'm pretty excited! Thank you for all your work! -Troy. PS. Please update both sword and swordreader as changes were made in both places. Johan Gorter wrote: > Hello Troy, > > I tried to get the windows CE to work again. Unfortunately I did not > succeed. I saw that you made some changes in the 'unistd' to open files. > > It might seem logical to convert paths to windows format, but the IPAQ > understands unix-paths perfectly. Without this malfunctioning > conversion-function, I could still not get it to work, because of the > changes due to the new file open 'permissions' (Shared read?). I did not > entirely understand how you wanted to get this to work. I will just wait > until you finish this. > > I checked in a change to disable the HTML, when you compile with > -DNOHTML. I also changed the project- and workspace files to BINARY > format, my eVC won't run them when they have unix end-of-lines. > > Thanks for the account. > > I hope you have success getting the program to work on the emulator > soon. > > Johan > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 17 19:53:58 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Johan Gorter) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:53:58 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c3dd33$a5a2db10$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> Hello Chris, I use cygwin and tkcvs... There is no option here to use cr/lf. The files I mentioned are generated by eVC and probably never edited or compared by hand anyway. Johan -----Original Message----- From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 19:20 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE updates Johan, > I checked in a change to disable the HTML, when you compile with > -DNOHTML. I also changed the project- and workspace files to BINARY > format, my eVC won't run them when they have unix end-of-lines. Only _real_ binary files should be checked in as binary. I'm not sure which CVS program you're using, but WinCVS has an option to check files out with Unix LF (on the Checkout settings' Globals tab)--otherwise it will convert LF to CR+LF. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 17 21:23:58 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:23:58 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE updates In-Reply-To: <000601c3dd33$a5a2db10$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000601c3dd33$a5a2db10$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <4009A7EE.1030601@crosswire.org> Johan, I have used wincvs and evc 3.0 exclusively to checkout and edit these files with no problems. When you edit a file and I get your updates, everything is double spaced. Johan Gorter wrote: > Hello Chris, > > I use cygwin and tkcvs... There is no option here to use cr/lf. The > files I mentioned are generated by eVC and probably never edited or > compared by hand anyway. > > Johan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 19:20 > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE updates > > > Johan, > > >>I checked in a change to disable the HTML, when you compile with >>-DNOHTML. I also changed the project- and workspace files to BINARY >>format, my eVC won't run them when they have unix end-of-lines. > > > Only _real_ binary files should be checked in as binary. I'm not sure > which CVS program you're using, but WinCVS has an option to check files > out with Unix LF (on the Checkout settings' Globals tab)--otherwise it > will convert LF to CR+LF. > > --Chris > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 18 02:39:22 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:39:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE updates In-Reply-To: <000601c3dd33$a5a2db10$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: Johan, I don't know what to suggest if your CVS client can't really handle requirements of the platform. You might consider switching to WinCVS since it operates correctly on Windows. If we do binary mode check-ins of text files, we completely lose the ability to track changes between versions, one of the main purposes of CVS. The project files are updated all the time, and they really SHOULD be cleaned by hand regularly. --Chris On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Johan Gorter wrote: > Hello Chris, > > I use cygwin and tkcvs... There is no option here to use cr/lf. The > files I mentioned are generated by eVC and probably never edited or > compared by hand anyway. > > Johan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 19:20 > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE updates > > > Johan, > > > I checked in a change to disable the HTML, when you compile with > > -DNOHTML. I also changed the project- and workspace files to BINARY > > format, my eVC won't run them when they have unix end-of-lines. > > Only _real_ binary files should be checked in as binary. I'm not sure > which CVS program you're using, but WinCVS has an option to check files > out with Unix LF (on the Checkout settings' Globals tab)--otherwise it > will convert LF to CR+LF. > > --Chris > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 18 05:11:00 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:11:00 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE: Unicode In-Reply-To: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <400A1564.8070409@crosswire.org> Johan, I've been experimenting with the WHNU module. I think I'm getting close. I'm going to take a break for a while. I hope things are back working for you. Please let me know if you're getting frustrated with my changes. I think much of the work we're doing getting the underlying services and concepts working is very valuable, and that's the mode in which I'm working right now. Maybe I should go experiment in another file if I'm disrupting your work. -Troy. PS. I never sent that /etc/sword.conf file. Here are the contents for the qpsword app on the Zaurus handheld: [Install] DataPath=/usr/share/sword AugmentPath=/mnt/card/usr/share/sword AugmentPath=/mnt/cf/usr/share/sword Johan Gorter wrote: > Hello all, > > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it can > do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone who > is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and what an > IPAQ looks like) > > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ > > I have a question about the thml filters: > > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? > > I hope someone can help me out here. > > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the project > is like this: > > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list > version 0.6 - The update version that I sent > version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) > version 0.8 - The find page implemented > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a webpage, > a normal installer, an about screen, etc > > Greetings from the Netherlands, > > Johan > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 18 10:31:25 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:31:25 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] WEB has missing verses References: <20040118064442.26652.qmail@web80809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006a01c3ddae$3991a480$0200a8c0@k2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3DD73.8CE8F240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, Rev 22:21 (last verse in the Bible) is also missing from the WEB HTH, Lynn A. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael=20 To: sword-bugs@crosswire.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:44 PM Subject: [sword-support] WEB I noticed that John chapter 12 only has 36 verses but should have 50 = verses. I also found some verse missing in the middle of a chapter. The = WEB has come out with an updated version last summer or fall, so it = would be best to just redo the whole NT. Thanks, Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3DD73.8CE8F240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Also, Rev 22:21 (last verse in the = Bible) is=20 also missing from the WEB
 
<tech note: WEB doesn't seem to be = "plain text".=20 There are embedded non-ascii characters that prevent a text editor from = seeing=20 all the verses. The "hex editor" I use doesn't seem to be able = to handle=20 files as big as ./sword/modules/texts/rawtext/web/nt >
 
HTH,
Lynn A.
 
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From:=20 Michael
Sent: Saturday, January 17, = 2004 11:44=20 PM
Subject: [sword-support] = WEB

I noticed that John chapter 12 only has 36 verses but should have = 50=20 verses. I also found some verse missing in the middle of a chapter. = The WEB=20 has come out with an updated version last summer or fall, so it would = be best=20 to just redo the whole NT.
Thanks,
Michael

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New=20 Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and = sharing ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C3DD73.8CE8F240-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 18 15:30:36 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:30:36 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] patch Message-ID: <200401181630.36544.mg.pub@gmx.net> --Boundary-00=_caqCAALvtLUnOD9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I tried to work out how utf-8 locales can work in sword. I noticed that there are 2 toupper() functions in sword, one of which only works on latin1, and the second can utilize icu. Therefore I created a patch to be able to handle utf-8 consistently in sword by deleting toupper() and patching toupper_utf8() a little. Please look through and see if this is ok. It should work, I only have the problem that ICU does not do the toUpper() correctly on my system right now, not sure why. It leaves the string as it is. Chris, can you help me here? Does it work for you? Thanks for all feedback. Martin --Boundary-00=_caqCAALvtLUnOD9 Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset="us-ascii"; name="toupper.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="toupper.patch" Index: debian/rules =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/debian/rules,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.7 rules --- debian/rules 17 Jan 2004 21:21:13 -0000 1.7 +++ debian/rules 18 Jan 2004 15:26:04 -0000 @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@ configure-stamp: chmod 755 configure ./configure $(confflags) --prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man \ --infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info --with-zlib \ - --sysconfdir=/etc --enable-shared --without-icu \ + --sysconfdir=/etc --enable-shared --with-icu \ --without-lucene touch configure.stamp Index: include/utilstr.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/include/utilstr.h,v retrieving revision 1.11 diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.11 utilstr.h --- include/utilstr.h 22 Jun 2003 23:50:23 -0000 1.11 +++ include/utilstr.h 18 Jan 2004 15:26:04 -0000 @@ -33,7 +33,7 @@ char *strstrip (char *istr); const char *stristr (const char *s1, const char *s2); const char strnicmp(const char *s1, const char *s2, int len); unsigned int strlenw(const char *s1); -char *toupperstr(char *buf); +//char *toupperstr(char *buf); char *toupperstr_utf8(char *buf, unsigned int max = 0); /* Index: src/keys/versekey.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/src/keys/versekey.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.58 diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.58 versekey.cpp --- src/keys/versekey.cpp 27 Jun 2003 01:41:07 -0000 1.58 +++ src/keys/versekey.cpp 18 Jan 2004 15:26:05 -0000 @@ -324,7 +324,7 @@ int VerseKey::getBookAbbrev(const char * stdstr(&abbr, iabbr); strstrip(abbr); if (!i) - toupperstr(abbr); + toupperstr_utf8(abbr); abLen = strlen(abbr); if (abLen) { Index: src/modules/filters/swbasicfilter.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/src/modules/filters/swbasicfilter.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.33 diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.33 swbasicfilter.cpp --- src/modules/filters/swbasicfilter.cpp 24 Oct 2003 02:43:46 -0000 1.33 +++ src/modules/filters/swbasicfilter.cpp 18 Jan 2004 15:26:05 -0000 @@ -93,7 +93,7 @@ void SWBasicFilter::addTokenSubstitute(c if (!tokenCaseSensitive) { stdstr(&buf, findString); - toupperstr(buf); + toupperstr_utf8(buf); tokenSubMap[buf] = replaceString; delete [] buf; } @@ -114,7 +114,7 @@ void SWBasicFilter::addEscapeStringSubst if (!escStringCaseSensitive) { stdstr(&buf, findString); - toupperstr(buf); + toupperstr_utf8(buf); escSubMap.insert(DualStringMap::value_type(buf, replaceString)); delete [] buf; } @@ -135,7 +135,7 @@ bool SWBasicFilter::substituteToken(SWBu if (!tokenCaseSensitive) { char *tmp = 0; stdstr(&tmp, token); - toupperstr(tmp); + toupperstr_utf8(tmp); it = tokenSubMap.find(tmp); delete [] tmp; } else @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@ bool SWBasicFilter::substituteEscapeStri if (!escStringCaseSensitive) { char *tmp = 0; stdstr(&tmp, escString); - toupperstr(tmp); + toupperstr_utf8(tmp); it = escSubMap.find(tmp); delete [] tmp; } else Index: src/modules/texts/rawtext/rawtext.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/src/modules/texts/rawtext/rawtext.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.69 diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.69 rawtext.cpp --- src/modules/texts/rawtext/rawtext.cpp 17 Jan 2004 04:33:25 -0000 1.69 +++ src/modules/texts/rawtext/rawtext.cpp 18 Jan 2004 15:26:06 -0000 @@ -282,7 +282,7 @@ signed char RawText::createSearchFramewo while (word) { // make word upper case - toupperstr(word); + toupperstr_utf8(word); // lookup word in dictionary (or make entry in dictionary // for this word) and add this module position (index) to @@ -519,7 +519,7 @@ ListKey &RawText::search(const char *ist // toupper our copy of search string stdstr(&wordBuf, istr); - toupperstr(wordBuf); + toupperstr_utf8(wordBuf); // get list of individual words words = (char **)calloc(sizeof(char *), 10); Index: src/utilfuns/utilstr.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/src/utilfuns/utilstr.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.25 diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.25 utilstr.cpp --- src/utilfuns/utilstr.cpp 27 Jun 2003 02:21:05 -0000 1.25 +++ src/utilfuns/utilstr.cpp 18 Jan 2004 15:26:06 -0000 @@ -1,6 +1,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #ifdef _ICU_ #include @@ -147,26 +148,29 @@ unsigned int strlenw(const char *s1) { } -/****************************************************************************** - * toupperstr - converts a string to uppercase string - * - * ENT: target - string to convert - * - * RET: target - */ - -char *toupperstr(char *buf) { - char *ret = buf; - - while (*buf) - *buf = SW_toupper(*buf++); - - return ret; -} +///****************************************************************************** +// * toupperstr - converts a string to uppercase string +// * +// * ENT: target - string to convert +// * +// * RET: target +// */ +// +//char *toupperstr(char *buf) { +// char *ret = buf; +// +// while (*buf) +// *buf = SW_toupper(*buf++); +// +// return ret; +//} /****************************************************************************** - * toupperstr - converts a string to uppercase string + * toupperstr_utf8 - converts a string to uppercase string + * If ICU support is enabled in sword, this function will use it to do the work. + * If ICU support is not enabled, this function will ONLY work correctly with + * Latin-1 data! * * ENT: target - string to convert * @@ -179,23 +183,26 @@ char *toupperstr_utf8(char *buf, unsigne #ifndef _ICU_ // try to decide if it's worth trying to toupper. Do we have more // characters that are probably lower latin than not? - long performOp = 0; - for (const char *ch = buf; *ch; ch++) - performOp += (*ch > 0) ? 1 : -1; - if (performOp) { +//mgruner: WHAT IS THIS CODE FOR? TOUPPER IS SUPPOSED TO ALWAYS WORK... +// long performOp = 0; +// for (const char *ch = buf; *ch; ch++) +// performOp += (*ch > 0) ? 1 : -1; +// +// if (performOp) { while (*buf) *buf = SW_toupper(*buf++); - } +// } #else if (!max) max = strlen(ret); - UErrorCode err = U_ZERO_ERROR; - UConverter *conv = ucnv_open("UTF-8", &err); - UnicodeString str(buf, -1, conv, err); - UnicodeString ustr = str.toUpper(); - ustr.extract(ret, max, conv, err); - ucnv_close(conv); + + UErrorCode err = U_ZERO_ERROR; + UConverter *conv = ucnv_open("UTF-8", &err); + UnicodeString str(buf, -1, conv, err); + UnicodeString ustr = str.toUpper(); + ustr.extract(ret, max, conv, err); + ucnv_close(conv); #endif return ret; --Boundary-00=_caqCAALvtLUnOD9-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 18 18:57:44 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:57:44 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] swi18n :) In-Reply-To: <200401181630.36544.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <200401181630.36544.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <400AD728.9080606@crosswire.org> Discussion of this topic in irc has been logged on wiki for all interested. http://www.crosswire.org/ucgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/SWI18n Martin Gruner wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to work out how utf-8 locales can work in sword. I noticed that there > are 2 toupper() functions in sword, one of which only works on latin1, and > the second can utilize icu. > Therefore I created a patch to be able to handle utf-8 consistently in sword > by deleting toupper() and patching toupper_utf8() a little. Please look > through and see if this is ok. > > It should work, I only have the problem that ICU does not do the toUpper() > correctly on my system right now, not sure why. It leaves the string as it > is. Chris, can you help me here? Does it work for you? > > Thanks for all feedback. > > Martin > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Index: debian/rules > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/debian/rules,v > retrieving revision 1.7 > diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.7 rules > --- debian/rules 17 Jan 2004 21:21:13 -0000 1.7 > +++ debian/rules 18 Jan 2004 15:26:04 -0000 > @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@ configure-stamp: > chmod 755 configure > ./configure $(confflags) --prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man \ > --infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info --with-zlib \ > - --sysconfdir=/etc --enable-shared --without-icu \ > + --sysconfdir=/etc --enable-shared --with-icu \ > --without-lucene > touch configure.stamp > > Index: include/utilstr.h > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/include/utilstr.h,v > retrieving revision 1.11 > diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.11 utilstr.h > --- include/utilstr.h 22 Jun 2003 23:50:23 -0000 1.11 > +++ include/utilstr.h 18 Jan 2004 15:26:04 -0000 > @@ -33,7 +33,7 @@ char *strstrip (char *istr); > const char *stristr (const char *s1, const char *s2); > const char strnicmp(const char *s1, const char *s2, int len); > unsigned int strlenw(const char *s1); > -char *toupperstr(char *buf); > +//char *toupperstr(char *buf); > char *toupperstr_utf8(char *buf, unsigned int max = 0); > > /* > Index: src/keys/versekey.cpp > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/src/keys/versekey.cpp,v > retrieving revision 1.58 > diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.58 versekey.cpp > --- src/keys/versekey.cpp 27 Jun 2003 01:41:07 -0000 1.58 > +++ src/keys/versekey.cpp 18 Jan 2004 15:26:05 -0000 > @@ -324,7 +324,7 @@ int VerseKey::getBookAbbrev(const char * > stdstr(&abbr, iabbr); > strstrip(abbr); > if (!i) > - toupperstr(abbr); > + toupperstr_utf8(abbr); > abLen = strlen(abbr); > > if (abLen) { > Index: src/modules/filters/swbasicfilter.cpp > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/src/modules/filters/swbasicfilter.cpp,v > retrieving revision 1.33 > diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.33 swbasicfilter.cpp > --- src/modules/filters/swbasicfilter.cpp 24 Oct 2003 02:43:46 -0000 1.33 > +++ src/modules/filters/swbasicfilter.cpp 18 Jan 2004 15:26:05 -0000 > @@ -93,7 +93,7 @@ void SWBasicFilter::addTokenSubstitute(c > > if (!tokenCaseSensitive) { > stdstr(&buf, findString); > - toupperstr(buf); > + toupperstr_utf8(buf); > tokenSubMap[buf] = replaceString; > delete [] buf; > } > @@ -114,7 +114,7 @@ void SWBasicFilter::addEscapeStringSubst > > if (!escStringCaseSensitive) { > stdstr(&buf, findString); > - toupperstr(buf); > + toupperstr_utf8(buf); > escSubMap.insert(DualStringMap::value_type(buf, replaceString)); > delete [] buf; > } > @@ -135,7 +135,7 @@ bool SWBasicFilter::substituteToken(SWBu > if (!tokenCaseSensitive) { > char *tmp = 0; > stdstr(&tmp, token); > - toupperstr(tmp); > + toupperstr_utf8(tmp); > it = tokenSubMap.find(tmp); > delete [] tmp; > } else > @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@ bool SWBasicFilter::substituteEscapeStri > if (!escStringCaseSensitive) { > char *tmp = 0; > stdstr(&tmp, escString); > - toupperstr(tmp); > + toupperstr_utf8(tmp); > it = escSubMap.find(tmp); > delete [] tmp; > } else > Index: src/modules/texts/rawtext/rawtext.cpp > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/src/modules/texts/rawtext/rawtext.cpp,v > retrieving revision 1.69 > diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.69 rawtext.cpp > --- src/modules/texts/rawtext/rawtext.cpp 17 Jan 2004 04:33:25 -0000 1.69 > +++ src/modules/texts/rawtext/rawtext.cpp 18 Jan 2004 15:26:06 -0000 > @@ -282,7 +282,7 @@ signed char RawText::createSearchFramewo > while (word) { > > // make word upper case > - toupperstr(word); > + toupperstr_utf8(word); > > // lookup word in dictionary (or make entry in dictionary > // for this word) and add this module position (index) to > @@ -519,7 +519,7 @@ ListKey &RawText::search(const char *ist > > // toupper our copy of search string > stdstr(&wordBuf, istr); > - toupperstr(wordBuf); > + toupperstr_utf8(wordBuf); > > // get list of individual words > words = (char **)calloc(sizeof(char *), 10); > Index: src/utilfuns/utilstr.cpp > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/core/sword/src/utilfuns/utilstr.cpp,v > retrieving revision 1.25 > diff -u -3 -p -u -r1.25 utilstr.cpp > --- src/utilfuns/utilstr.cpp 27 Jun 2003 02:21:05 -0000 1.25 > +++ src/utilfuns/utilstr.cpp 18 Jan 2004 15:26:06 -0000 > @@ -1,6 +1,7 @@ > #include > #include > #include > +#include > > #ifdef _ICU_ > #include > @@ -147,26 +148,29 @@ unsigned int strlenw(const char *s1) { > } > > > -/****************************************************************************** > - * toupperstr - converts a string to uppercase string > - * > - * ENT: target - string to convert > - * > - * RET: target > - */ > - > -char *toupperstr(char *buf) { > - char *ret = buf; > - > - while (*buf) > - *buf = SW_toupper(*buf++); > - > - return ret; > -} > +///****************************************************************************** > +// * toupperstr - converts a string to uppercase string > +// * > +// * ENT: target - string to convert > +// * > +// * RET: target > +// */ > +// > +//char *toupperstr(char *buf) { > +// char *ret = buf; > +// > +// while (*buf) > +// *buf = SW_toupper(*buf++); > +// > +// return ret; > +//} > > > /****************************************************************************** > - * toupperstr - converts a string to uppercase string > + * toupperstr_utf8 - converts a string to uppercase string > + * If ICU support is enabled in sword, this function will use it to do the work. > + * If ICU support is not enabled, this function will ONLY work correctly with > + * Latin-1 data! > * > * ENT: target - string to convert > * > @@ -179,23 +183,26 @@ char *toupperstr_utf8(char *buf, unsigne > #ifndef _ICU_ > // try to decide if it's worth trying to toupper. Do we have more > // characters that are probably lower latin than not? > - long performOp = 0; > - for (const char *ch = buf; *ch; ch++) > - performOp += (*ch > 0) ? 1 : -1; > > - if (performOp) { > +//mgruner: WHAT IS THIS CODE FOR? TOUPPER IS SUPPOSED TO ALWAYS WORK... > +// long performOp = 0; > +// for (const char *ch = buf; *ch; ch++) > +// performOp += (*ch > 0) ? 1 : -1; > +// > +// if (performOp) { > while (*buf) > *buf = SW_toupper(*buf++); > - } > +// } > #else > if (!max) > max = strlen(ret); > - UErrorCode err = U_ZERO_ERROR; > - UConverter *conv = ucnv_open("UTF-8", &err); > - UnicodeString str(buf, -1, conv, err); > - UnicodeString ustr = str.toUpper(); > - ustr.extract(ret, max, conv, err); > - ucnv_close(conv); > + > + UErrorCode err = U_ZERO_ERROR; > + UConverter *conv = ucnv_open("UTF-8", &err); > + UnicodeString str(buf, -1, conv, err); > + UnicodeString ustr = str.toUpper(); > + ustr.extract(ret, max, conv, err); > + ucnv_close(conv); > #endif > > return ret; From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 19 06:17:20 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:17:20 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE: FONTS (Unicode) In-Reply-To: <400A1564.8070409@crosswire.org> References: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> <400A1564.8070409@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <400B7670.4020805@crosswire.org> Does anyone know how to install fonts on a PocketPC device, and then have them used by the HTML control we're using in the swordreader app? I tried dropping code2000.ttf in \Windows\Fonts but it didn't seem to do anything. The WHNU is being loading into the control now correctly (I think), but I get boxes for each letter. There are the appropriate number of boxes for each word that should be showing up for a given verse, so that's why I suspect that it is getting loaded correctly, but I'd like to actually see the Greek eventually :) -Troy. Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Johan, > I've been experimenting with the WHNU module. I think I'm getting > close. I'm going to take a break for a while. I hope things are back > working for you. Please let me know if you're getting frustrated with > my changes. I think much of the work we're doing getting the underlying > services and concepts working is very valuable, and that's the mode in > which I'm working right now. Maybe I should go experiment in another > file if I'm disrupting your work. > > -Troy. > > PS. I never sent that /etc/sword.conf file. Here are the contents for > the qpsword app on the Zaurus handheld: > > [Install] > DataPath=/usr/share/sword > AugmentPath=/mnt/card/usr/share/sword > AugmentPath=/mnt/cf/usr/share/sword > > > > Johan Gorter wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for >> sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it can >> do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone who >> is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and what an >> IPAQ looks like) >> >> http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >> >> I have a question about the thml filters: >> >> I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get >> the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move >> somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and >> that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? >> >> I hope someone can help me out here. >> >> My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the project >> is like this: >> >> version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >> version 0.6 - The update version that I sent >> version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in >> http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >> version 0.8 - The find page implemented >> version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a webpage, >> a normal installer, an about screen, etc >> >> Greetings from the Netherlands, >> >> Johan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list >> sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 19 20:51:45 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jim Spoerl) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:51:45 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] greek/hebrew does not work on qpsword Message-ID: Hi I use sword modules on debian (via bibletime) without problems. Greek works correctly. I do not know why since I did nothing special regarding unicode fonts there for qt. But for qpsword (qpsword-0.5.2.arm.ipk) on qtopia (1.7) unicode fonts do not seem to work at all. Is the right config to select a proper unicode font in qtopia and then qpsword picks up and uses that font? If so, what font should I use? Definitely the unicode font unifont_0.1_arm.ipk does not get detected by qtopia at all. The more basic question is how can I get greek and hebrew to work along side english in qpsword? Thanks for the help Jim jrspoerl at globetech dot com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 19 03:44:54 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Adrian Korten) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:44:54 +0700 Subject: [sword-devel] v1.5.8 plans In-Reply-To: <400AD728.9080606@crosswire.org> References: <200401181630.36544.mg.pub@gmx.net> <400AD728.9080606@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <400B52B6.3050009@sil.org> Good day, While looking at the twiki, I saw the notes for the v1.5.8 release. It cleared up some things in my head that I thought were part of the v1.5.7 release. Is there a planned release time frame for v1.5.8? I'm trying to decide about releasing a Thai adapted CD: 1 - mini-release before month end without the dictionary module and some utf-8 history work-arounds OR 2 - after v1.5.8 release with uft-8 bugs fixed and with a Thai dictionary module. Adrian From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 20 00:56:47 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejH0cG2?=) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:56:47 +0900 Subject: [sword-devel] Translation in Korean Message-ID: <200401200057.i0K0v1ZM016694@now.byus.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3DF3B.C3E90A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I'm new to this mailing list. I translated the user interface of bibletime to Korean. Since I use both of KDE linux and Windows XP, I want to translate user interface to Korean. How can I participate? Hanjo Kim ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3DF3B.C3E90A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C3DF3B.C3E90A40-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 18 21:53:26 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael Paul Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:53:26 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Re: WEB has missing verses In-Reply-To: <006a01c3ddae$3991a480$0200a8c0@k2> References: <20040118064442.26652.qmail@web80809.mail.yahoo.com> <006a01c3ddae$3991a480$0200a8c0@k2> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040119072240.02ea7358@127.0.0.1> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 20:31 18-01-04, Lynn Allan wrote: >Also, Rev 22:21 (last verse in the Bible) is also missing from the >WEB That is dangerous! See Rev. 22:18-19. The World English Bible is updated fairly often at its home at http://eBible.org/web/, as active edits are still happening in the Old Testament, plus the occasional typo correction or other minor adjustment for improved readability and/or accuracy in the New Testament. (The edits in the New Testament tend to be less and less frequent.) It sounds like some sort of conversion error into rawtext format may be the problem. The next update will include making an OSIS version available from that site (as well as OSIS versions for the HNV, ASV, KJV, and the completed portions of the GLW). I have an OSIS version for Melanesian Pidgin, too, but it isn't ready for distribution until I sort through some legal issues and clean up some errors in the text. The OSIS isn't in strict compliance with OSIS 2.0, but it is closer than any existing OSIS text of the WEB that I have seen, and the text is up-to-date with the latest changes in Joshua, etc. I plan to upload it after I get back to my home in the highlands of Papua New Guinea. (The Internet connection from where I am is a bit too expensive to do that from here, but the snorkeling is better.) Exceptions to the OSIS 2.0 specification are listed in the revisionDesc element, but in summary, they are: Jesus' quotes are marked with AND typographic quotation marks when they are marked in the GBF file with , contrary to the OSIS 2.0 specification. The xml:lang attribute is only supported for English texts, right now, since most of the languages I'm interested in have no two-letter codes. (There are too many of them. You can't represent over 6,000 languages with two letters.) Footnote start anchors use generic milestone markers. This may change if OSIS starts really supporting these. This really isn't a violation of the OSIS 2.0 spec, but if you use this feature beware that it may change. Hebrew Psalm book titles are rendered as text (poetry or prose

elements) rather than elements, because <title> elements couldn't handle the appropriate "italics" markup for KJV "added" words in the current OSIS 2.0.1 schema. Some metadata could be improved, i. e. adding original publication dates for the ASV & KJV, etc., and improving the contact information. Even with all of that, these files are much closer to the OSIS 2.0 specification than the ones currently at the BibleTechnologiesWG site. (Feel free to copy the new ones over or link to them in place once I get them uploaded.) Once I get the OSIS files uploaded, I'll announce in on the WebNews@eBible.org mailing list. You may subscribe to that list at http://eBible.org/subscribe.htm, if you like. <tech note: WEB doesn't seem to be "plain text". There are embedded non-ascii characters that prevent a text editor from seeing all the verses. The "hex editor" I use doesn't seem to be able to handle files as big as ./sword/modules/texts/rawtext/web/nt > Looking at a binary file in a text editor is inherently hazardous. If you save changes, you could corrupt a file. - - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael To: sword-bugs@crosswire.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:44 PM Subject: [sword-support] WEB I noticed that John chapter 12 only has 36 verses but should have 50 verses. I also found some verse missing in the middle of a chapter. The WEB has come out with an updated version last summer or fall, so it would be best to just redo the whole NT. Thanks, Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: http://eBible.org/mpj/gpg.htm iD8DBQFADN/dRI/gxxfXR7sRAj9lAKDMIv8GmBBbs3ekiFAUWHFsuuMn5wCfWy43 BPf8/ng+Ygw17QoC1wZPnUY= =Z9Wq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 20 09:30:50 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:30:50 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] v1.5.8 plans In-Reply-To: <400B52B6.3050009@sil.org> References: <200401181630.36544.mg.pub@gmx.net> <400AD728.9080606@crosswire.org> <400B52B6.3050009@sil.org> Message-ID: <200401201030.55432.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adrian, > I'm trying to decide about releasing a Thai adapted CD: > 1 - mini-release before month end without the dictionary module and some > utf-8 history work-arounds OR > 2 - after v1.5.8 release with uft-8 bugs fixed and with a Thai > dictionary module. It is possible to get some modules to test if BibleTime is working well with them? Joachim - -- <>< Re: deemed! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFADPVNEyRIb2AZBB0RAqzUAKCMYY0pEaz0Lmz3qQgfWj0EnmNZEQCfep+Y M6hZtsVoXPtdG35ST1tvL38= =tEcF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 20 12:42:43 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:42:43 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] <Off Topic> PTL: Frosts have new son References: <006401c3d8c4$2ad52ff0$0200a8c0@k2> <001601c3da6e$679ff5e0$4de7c850@skynet.be> Message-ID: <001f01c3df52$e66273b0$0200a8c0@k2> <off topic> Hi fellow sword-devel'opers, Please join me in prayers of praise for the blessing God has given to Adrian and Naomi Frost: Joachim Paul Frost. > I finally get round to replying. We are now five in the family and it has > been, to say the least, a busy couple of days. I've got some downtime this > morning as my parents-in-law are looking after the oldest two whilst I get > some stuff done. > New kid goes by the name of Joachim Paul and was born Sunday afternoon at > 2:47. I'd phoned our pastor that morning to tell him we wouldn't be at > church because Naomi (my wife) and I were at the hospital - the whole > congregation was subsequently waiting for an update. Apparently, just after > the service, someone's mobile went off and when it turned out to be not us > everyone kinda went 'oh no....' Speaking for those of us who have benefited by correspondence with Adrian, we miss his valuable presence on the sword-devel list. But we are glad to see that he seems to have his priorities in order :-) They say the most important factor in living to an old age is to carefully pick your parents. Joachim Paul did a great job of picking wonderful parents who will no doubt raise him and his siblings according to Eph 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Vaya con dios Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 20 17:50:05 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:50:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Re: WEB has missing verses In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040119072240.02ea7358@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0401201033070.7147-100000@www.crosswire.org> On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Michael Paul Johnson wrote: > The xml:lang attribute is only supported for English texts, right now, > since most of the languages I'm interested in have no two-letter > codes. (There are too many of them. You can't represent over 6,000 > languages with two letters.) I'm not sure where you got the idea that xml:lang only holds an ISO 639-1 (or some other two-letter) value, but the actual standard can easily refer to any human language. xml:lang's contents are defined by RFC 1766/3066. By the former, ISO 639-1, IANA, and x- codes are valid. The latter adds ISO 639-2 codes. I think OSIS preference (though this isn't in writing yet) is to use ISO 639-1, ISO 639-2, IANA, then x- codes, according to what is available for a given language, in that order of preference. SIL/Ethnologue codes should be of the form x-SIL-<code>. LINGUIST List codes should be of the form x-LINGUIST-<code>. That covers all human languages, delegating code assignment to the proper organizations (SIL & LINGUIST), as well as permitting locale-specific dialects and other subtags, according to RFC 1766/3066 conventions. And if additional codes are needed, x- codes without the SIL or LINGUIST subtag can be used. > Footnote start anchors use generic milestone markers. This may change > if OSIS starts really supporting these. This really isn't a violation > of the OSIS 2.0 spec, but if you use this feature beware that it may > change. Has this been suggested to OSIS yet? > Hebrew Psalm book titles are rendered as text (poetry <l> or prose <p> > elements) rather than <title> elements, because <title> elements > couldn't handle the appropriate "italics" markup for KJV "added" words > in the current OSIS 2.0.1 schema. I'll point that out at the next meeting. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 21 00:10:26 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael Paul Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:10:26 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Re: WEB has missing verses In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0401201033070.7147-100000@www.crosswire.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040119072240.02ea7358@127.0.0.1> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0401201033070.7147-100000@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040121095135.02f363e8@127.0.0.1> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 03:50 21-01-04, Chris Little wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Michael Paul Johnson wrote: > >> The xml:lang attribute is only supported for English texts, right >> now, >> since most of the languages I'm interested in have no two-letter >> codes. (There are too many of them. You can't represent over 6,000 >> languages with two letters.) > >I'm not sure where you got the idea that xml:lang only holds an ISO >639-1 >(or some other two-letter) value, but the actual standard can easily >refer >to any human language. xml:lang's contents are defined by RFC >1766/3066. >By the former, ISO 639-1, IANA, and x- codes are valid. The latter >adds >ISO 639-2 codes. I think OSIS preference (though this isn't in >writing >yet) is to use ISO 639-1, ISO 639-2, IANA, then x- codes, according >to >what is available for a given language, in that order of preference. >SIL/Ethnologue codes should be of the form x-SIL-<code>. LINGUIST >List >codes should be of the form x-LINGUIST-<code>. That covers all human >languages, delegating code assignment to the proper organizations >(SIL & >LINGUIST), as well as permitting locale-specific dialects and other >subtags, according to RFC 1766/3066 conventions. And if additional >codes >are needed, x- codes without the SIL or LINGUIST subtag can be used. OK. I guess I just didn't know because it wasn't documented, and I didn't take the time to reverse-engineer the regular expression on the validation in the schema. I'll use x-SIL-+ the Ethnologue code in the next update. That would solve one of two problems that made the Tok Pisin Bible fail validation with the current OSIS 2.0.1 schema. The other is the lack of verse bridge annotation. For lack of a standard way to do it, I encoded osisID attributes as if they were osisRef attributes, allowing ranges, like <verse sID="Gen.1.6-Gen.1.7" osisID="Gen.1.6-Gen.1.7" />Bihain God i tok olsem, “Wanpela banis i mas kamap bilong banisim wara, bai wara i stap long tupela hap.†Orait dispela banis i kamap. God i mekim dispela banis i kamap bilong banisim wara antap na wara daunbilo. <verse eID="Gen.1.6-Gen.1.7" /> >> Footnote start anchors use generic milestone markers. This may >> change >> if OSIS starts really supporting these. This really isn't a >> violation >> of the OSIS 2.0 spec, but if you use this feature beware that it >> may >> change. > >Has this been suggested to OSIS yet? It was yesterday. :-) >> Hebrew Psalm book titles are rendered as text (poetry <l> or prose >> <p> >> elements) rather than <title> elements, because <title> elements >> couldn't handle the appropriate "italics" markup for KJV "added" >> words >> in the current OSIS 2.0.1 schema. > >I'll point that out at the next meeting. Thanks. May God bless you and the entire Crosswire team. Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: http://eBible.org/mpj/gpg.htm iD8DBQFADcNNRI/gxxfXR7sRAg8PAJ0Q3N92dBjv2VFvOTtpreMK92uqQQCgh8lp JDOz+Sg/sxwzmXIeOZZE2f0= =OWBh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 21 06:20:26 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:20:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Re: WEB has missing verses In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040121095135.02f363e8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0401202313540.16750-100000@www.crosswire.org> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Michael Paul Johnson wrote: > The > other is the lack of verse bridge annotation. For lack of a standard > way to do it, I encoded osisID attributes as if they were osisRef > attributes, allowing ranges, like > <verse sID="Gen.1.6-Gen.1.7" osisID="Gen.1.6-Gen.1.7" />Bihain God i > tok olsem, “Wanpela banis i mas kamap bilong banisim wara, bai wara > i stap long tupela hap.†Orait dispela banis i > kamap. God i mekim dispela banis i kamap bilong banisim wara antap na > wara daunbilo. > <verse eID="Gen.1.6-Gen.1.7" /> osisID attributes may contain a list. The way to denote a bridge would be to list all included verses. Also, sID & eID need not match the osisID, they must simply match each other, so a valid way of expressing your start tag would be: <verse sID="Gen.1.6" osisID="Gen.1.6 Gen.1.7"/> I'm sure we'll get better examples into the manual eventually. A lot of these things actually have been decided and defined, just not explained. :) --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 21 09:18:12 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:18:12 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000001c3d866$e7c50b20$633ea8c0@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <400E43D4.7090300@crosswire.org> For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for supporting the latest SWORD engine on CE. All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. Here's a build for testers: http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip There are install instructions in the zip file. Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into this, so far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so much! -Troy. Johan Gorter wrote: > Hello all, > > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it can > do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone who > is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and what an > IPAQ looks like) > > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ > > I have a question about the thml filters: > > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? > > I hope someone can help me out here. > > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the project > is like this: > > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list > version 0.6 - The update version that I sent > version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) > version 0.8 - The find page implemented > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a webpage, > a normal installer, an about screen, etc > > Greetings from the Netherlands, > > Johan > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 21 14:51:12 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (D. Bertles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:51:12 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface Message-ID: <1074696672.400e91e06533e@webmail.namezero.com> Troy, I can't get this version to find the modules. My mods.conf contains: [NASB] DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ ... [KJV] DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ ... sword.conf contains: [Install] DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. Dan Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" <scribe@crosswire.org>: For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for supporting the latest SWORD engine on CE. All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. Here's a build for testers: http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip There are install instructions in the zip file. Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into this, so far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so much! -Troy. Johan Gorter wrote: > Hello all, > > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it can > do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone who > is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and what an > IPAQ looks like) > > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ > > I have a question about the thml filters: > > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? > > I hope someone can help me out here. > > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the project > is like this: > > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list > version 0.6 - The update version that I sent > version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) > version 0.8 - The find page implemented > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a webpage, > a normal installer, an about screen, etc > > Greetings from the Netherlands, > > Johan > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 21 15:53:03 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:53:03 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] LcdBible ver 1.00a available References: <20040120190001.8410.65419.Mailman@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <004e01c3e036$a7a5e9b0$0200a8c0@k2> LcdBible ver 1.00a available. There is YALR (Yet Another LcdBible Release) ver 1.00a at: http://osdn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lcdbible/LcdBibleSetup.exe The changes from 0.95a: * AboutBox working with some ms timings for Load/Search/Show * HourGlass working during Search * MaximizeApp works better * Detects and warns about missing ./modules/rawtext/text/web/nt * Cosmetic changes: - Use ____##___ rather than ____## to facilitate mouse selection of Chapter on CTreeCtrl - Different icon with transparency - Little more spacing for CButtons Feedback appreciated, especially problems/suggestions/"Biblical rebukes for iron sharpens iron" (prefer offline to not clutter up this list more that is already the case) * "Road-map" of envisioned enhancements - Old Testament integrated - Implement Context sensitive help - Write tutorial - Detects availablility of KJV and/or BBE and enables option to switch versions - Internationalization for Spanish, French, German, Polish, etc., including "Options ..." dialog wordage - Integrate InVerse Scripture memorization freeware - Fix so Ctrl-C and other Clipboard functions work - Modeless search options dialog - Option for 4th/larger font for TextViewer - "Smart packager" webpage - Direct "Go-To" from found verses to Biblical text - Use RichText or HTML viewer rather than multiline CEdit - Integrate simple "Dictionary" capability Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 21 18:00:31 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:00:31 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <1074696672.400e91e06533e@webmail.namezero.com> References: <1074696672.400e91e06533e@webmail.namezero.com> Message-ID: <400EBE3F.50000@crosswire.org> Dan, Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the INSTALL.txt in the zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and preserve directories. What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not be necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the INSTALL.txt) Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've tried BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get the correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to use other fonts on CE. Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, -Troy. D. Bertles wrote: > Troy, > > I can't get this version to find the modules. > > My mods.conf contains: > [NASB] > DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ > ... > > [KJV] > DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ > ... > > sword.conf contains: > [Install] > DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules > > The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to maintain the > directory structure for the Windows version. > > Dan > > Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" <scribe@crosswire.org>: > > For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for supporting > the latest SWORD engine on CE. > > All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. > > Here's a build for testers: > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > There are install instructions in the zip file. > > Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. > > Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into this, so > far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than me > will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so much! > > -Troy. > > > > Johan Gorter wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for > > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it can > > do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone who > > is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and what an > > IPAQ looks like) > > > > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ > > > > I have a question about the thml filters: > > > > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get > > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? > > > > I hope someone can help me out here. > > > > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the project > > is like this: > > > > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list > > version 0.6 - The update version that I sent > > version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in > > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) > > version 0.8 - The find page implemented > > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a webpage, > > a normal installer, an about screen, etc > > > > Greetings from the Netherlands, > > > > Johan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list > > sword-devel@crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 21 21:27:03 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:27:03 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] CrossWire: KJV2003 text update Message-ID: <400EEEA7.4000008@crosswire.org> The KJV2003 Project team has successfully completed their first pass on tagging the KJV NT with Greek from the TR. What this means to end users is that you should find ALL the New Testament with Strongs and Morphological information once you update to our latest KJV text which we've just updated with all the data. A Wonderful THANK YOU goes out to all our volunteers who have sacrificed their time to use their outstanding skills to provide us with this invaluable resource. What a great example of Christ using His Body to share together in a common objective. Module available from the InstallMgr Remote Installer, or from the web here: http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModInfo.jsp?modName=KJV http://www.crosswire.org From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 21 23:43:43 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Dan Bertles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:43:43 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <400EBE3F.50000@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000801c3e078$69de75b0$09d008c7@bertles> Troy, Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where it would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in italics. It reads the NASB module fine. Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and kjv) mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to work. The globals.conf file is empty? Thoughts? Dan P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install fonts: Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font file from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's windows\fonts directory. Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. -----Original Message----- From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface Dan, Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the INSTALL.txt in the zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and preserve directories. What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not be necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the INSTALL.txt) Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've tried BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get the correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to use other fonts on CE. Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, -Troy. D. Bertles wrote: > Troy, > > I can't get this version to find the modules. > > My mods.conf contains: > [NASB] > DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ > ... > > [KJV] > DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ > ... > > sword.conf contains: > [Install] > DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules > > The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to > maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. > > Dan > > Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" <scribe@crosswire.org>: > > For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for > supporting > the latest SWORD engine on CE. > > All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. > > Here's a build for testers: > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > There are install instructions in the zip file. > > Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. > > Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into this, > so > far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than me > will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so much! > > -Troy. > > > > Johan Gorter wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for > > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so it can > > do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone who > > is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and what an > > IPAQ looks like) > > > > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ > > > > I have a question about the thml filters: > > > > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can I get > > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move > > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), and > > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also shown? > > > > I hope someone can help me out here. > > > > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the project > > is like this: > > > > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list > > version 0.6 - The update version that I sent > > version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in > > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) > > version 0.8 - The find page implemented > > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a webpage, > > a normal installer, an about screen, etc > > > > Greetings from the Netherlands, > > > > Johan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list > > sword-devel@crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 22 03:47:18 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Overcash) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:47:18 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] TheBibleTool.com Message-ID: <000801c3e09a$6ee89eb0$5001a8c0@dave> Is there a reason that thebibletool.com is down? It responds to pings but cannot reach via browser... Would have kept this to IRC but nobody was responding. -Dave Overcash From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 22 07:13:16 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael Paul Johnson) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:13:16 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Re: WEB has missing verses In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0401202313540.16750-100000@www.crosswire.org > References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040121095135.02f363e8@127.0.0.1> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0401202313540.16750-100000@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040121174337.031e36f0@127.0.0.1> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 16:20 21-01-04, Chris Little wrote: >On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Michael Paul Johnson wrote: > >> The >> other is the lack of verse bridge annotation. For lack of a >> standard >> way to do it, I encoded osisID attributes as if they were osisRef >> attributes, allowing ranges, like >> <verse sID="Gen.1.6-Gen.1.7" osisID="Gen.1.6-Gen.1.7" />Bihain God >> i >> tok olsem, “Wanpela banis i mas kamap bilong banisim wara, bai >> wara >> i stap long tupela hap.†Orait dispela banis i >> kamap. God i mekim dispela banis i kamap bilong banisim wara antap >> na >> wara daunbilo. >> <verse eID="Gen.1.6-Gen.1.7" /> > >osisID attributes may contain a list. The way to denote a bridge >would be >to list all included verses. Also, sID & eID need not match the >osisID, >they must simply match each other, so a valid way of expressing your >start >tag would be: <verse sID="Gen.1.6" osisID="Gen.1.6 Gen.1.7"/> OK. I did made my conversion program output that format. It gets pretty verbose on bridges of more than two verses, but it works. Verbosity obviously was considered a virtue, anyway, in the OSIS design. <grin> I retract my complaint about a lack of verse bridge encoding method. I now have converted ASV, KJV (with Apocrypha), WEB, HNV, GLW, and Tok Pisin Buk Baibel (PDG) texts from GBF into OSIS 2.0.1 format that validates against the schema correctly. Some of the meta-data in the header could be expounded on, but the Bible text looks reasonable. Unlike the WEB example on the Bible Technologies web site, poetry and prose formatting are properly preserved. The only significant variation from the OSIS 2.0 documentation is that I intentionally violated the condition that <q> markers and quotation marks should not both be used in the case of marking direct quotations of Jesus Christ (i. e. for red-letter editions). I did this to preserve the <FR>/<Fr> GBF markup in case someone might want the option of rendering this text differently, rather than to require it to be so. The markup I used is something like: <q sID="Matt.3.15.1" who="Jesus" type="x-doNotGeneratePunctuation" />“Allow it now, for this is the fitting way for us to fulfill all righteousness.â€<q eID="Matt.3.15.1" /> (If you see strange three-character sequences with Euro signs above, imagine proper typographic quotes in their place.) I like the ability to mark quotations with milestone type elements from which punctuation is generated, but I detest the thought of requiring it to be done that way. There are just too many variations on language and style rules, and the reverse conversion cannot be reliably done without manual intervention. Once the punctuation is properly in place, there is no benefit to such markup sufficient to motivate me to do that. I'd rather spend my energy lobbying for a change to the spec to allow Jesus' words to be marked without requiring punctuation removal. Punctuation is for the linguists to decide, not the XML spec writers. Uploads from PNG are slow. So far, only the HNV OSIS text is in its home at http://eBible.org/hnv/hnvosis.zip. I'll put the other Bible files (except for the Tok Pisin text) and the source code for the converters in a public place when I get a chance, probably next week. May God bless you lots! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: http://eBible.org/mpj/gpg.htm iD4DBQFAD3f6RI/gxxfXR7sRAr+8AJQPuiNaxkT9uyO3+IP611AmT9A2AJ0b97HV j5RjBJeff+5VRJYMsqSIjQ== =GrqT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 22 10:21:22 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:21:22 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] v1.5.8 plans In-Reply-To: <400E2FE2.3070501@sil.org> References: <200401181630.36544.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200401201030.55432.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> <400E2FE2.3070501@sil.org> Message-ID: <200401221121.28038.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, > Would it be okay to send a portion of the modules or do you prefer the > complete set or the complete set on CD by mail? I could make a CD for > you when I do the Thai CD next week. Just a part is enough to test it. Joachim - -- <>< Re: deemed! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAD6QmEyRIb2AZBB0RAiHkAJ9+V68o8qy3GabXnzrGv4zwHbKdJQCfdkU6 foCGy/O9R6xuR3CQZ8rIMco= =Amen -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 23 06:00:54 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (sword-devel@crosswire.org) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:00:54 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Slight correction needed in the SpaSEV module Message-ID: <26918248D0F94E4698F3CD807F90F28F01BD78@exch.connections.com> ----=_RS_04023010226379_1074837746379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message I discovered a slight error that may need correction in the Spanish SEV (Sa= gradas Escrituras Version Antigua) module. It has to do with 1. Cor 12:28. Just thought I'd let you all know... jth -----Original Message----- From: MARTIN STENDAL [mailto:rms05001@neutel.com.co] Sent: Thu 1/22/2004 8:28 PM To: Jeremy Hatfield Subject: Re: 1 Cor 10:28 in SEV =20 At 12:21 AM 15/01/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Bro. Russell, > >It seems that Crosswire (who publish the SWORD project) has obtained a=20 >copy of de Reina's 1569 Bible. I am not sure if the creator of that=20 >particular module was working off an older edition of your text, but=20 >here's a little discrepancy between their copy and what you have released= =20 >to OnlineBible and Biola University (for use on their "Unbound Bible" webs= ite). > >It has to do with 1 Cor 10:28. > >Crosswire's edition reads "Mas si alguien os dijere: Esto fue sacrificado= =20 >a los =EDdolos, no lo com=E1is, por causa de aquel que lo declar=F3, y por= causa=20 >de la conciencia." > >The copy at Biola and OpenBible read "Mas si alguien os dijere: Esto fue= =20 >sacrificado a los =EDdolos, no lo com=E1is, por causa de aquel que lo decl= ar=F3,=20 >y por causa de la conciencia; porque del Se=F1or es la tierra y su plenitu= d." > >Which is correct? I'll be happy to notify Crosswire if they left out the= =20 >last sentence about the earth and its fullness being the Lord's. [Russ Stendal wrote:] The latter rendering (Biola and OpenBible) is correct and is in the last=20 three editions of the published Spanish Bible. I am not sure where the=20 other came from. Possibly from a pre-publication proof edition or they may= =20 have left off part of the verse by some mistake. The copy at Biola and OpenBible read "Mas si alguien os dijere: Esto fue=20 sacrificado a los =EDdolos, no lo com=E1is, por causa de aquel que lo decla= r=F3,=20 y por causa de la conciencia; porque del Se=F1or es la tierra y su plenitud= ." ----=_RS_04023010226379_1074837746379 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <TITLE>Untitled I discovered a slight error that may need correction in the Spanish SEV (Sa= gradas Escrituras Version Antigua) module.

It has to do with 1. Cor = 12:28. Just thought I'd let you all know...

jth


-----Ori= ginal Message-----
From: MARTIN STENDAL [mailto:rms05001@neutel.com.co]<= br>Sent: Thu 1/22/2004 8:28 PM
To: Jeremy Hatfield
Subject: Re: 1 Cor= 10:28 in SEV

At 12:21 AM 15/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Bro. Rus= sell,
>
>It seems that Crosswire (who publish the SWORD project) has = obtained a
>copy of de Reina's 1569 Bible. I am not sure if the creator= of that
>particular module was working off an older edition of your te= xt, but
>here's a little discrepancy between their copy and what you ha= ve released
>to OnlineBible and Biola University (for use on their "Unb= ound Bible" website).
>
>It has to do with 1 Cor 10:28.
>
>Cros= swire's edition reads "Mas si alguien os dijere: Esto fue sacrificado
>= a los =EDdolos, no lo com=E1is, por causa de aquel que lo declar=F3, y por = causa
>de la conciencia."
>
>The copy at Biola and OpenBible read= "Mas si alguien os dijere: Esto fue
>sacrificado a los =EDdolos, no lo= com=E1is, por causa de aquel que lo declar=F3,
>y por causa de la conc= iencia; porque del Se=F1or es la tierra y su plenitud."
>
>Which is c= orrect? I'll be happy to notify Crosswire if they left out the
>last se= ntence about the earth and its fullness being the Lord's.

[Russ Sten= dal wrote:]

The latter rendering (Biola and OpenBible) is correct an= d is in the last
three editions of the published Spanish Bible. I am n= ot sure where the
other came from. Possibly from a pre-publication pro= of edition or they may
have left off part of the verse by some mistake.=

The copy at Biola and OpenBible read "Mas si alguien os dijere: Est= o fue
sacrificado a los =EDdolos, no lo com=E1is, por causa de aquel qu= e lo declar=F3,
y por causa de la conciencia; porque del Se=F1or es la = tierra y su plenitud."




----=_RS_04023010226379_1074837746379-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 23 14:38:37 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (sword-devel@crosswire.org) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:38:37 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Still asking about Matthew 16/WEB/Sword program Message-ID: <39324962.07ED27DB.0230BBD0@aol.com> I asked a while ago - I'm still wondering. When I try to look up anything past Matthew 16:15 in the WEB using the Sword program (version 1.5.6; when will we see a compiled 1.5.7 released?) I get ... nothing. This means that in a parallel passage (say KJV+WEB) it won't show anything past MT 16:15.... I can search on strings I know are in the missing verses and FIND them. The problem doesn't exist in the web tool. Does anyone else see this? Is anyone trying to fix it? --        _    ___/_|   *   *   *  <#_____|-Our journey into space will go on.       \_| *   *   *   *           Columbia - 2/1/2003  Lift your eyes and look to the heavens       "The Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because generally they are the same people." gkc     Joel@Mrklingon.org     www.mrklingon.org    http://www.vaccineinformation.org            vaccines save lives     From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 23 18:05:17 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:05:17 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Now OK to maximize use of TWiki by sword-support'ers? References: <20040120190001.8410.65419.Mailman@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <008101c3e1db$757f4bb0$0200a8c0@k2> Hi sword-devel'opers, I was authoring a TWiki page as a "place-holder" for a LcdBible link, and noticed the "Topic Classification" drop-down for TWiki authoring. This had intriguing entries for "NoDisclosure", "PublicSupported", and "PublicFAQ" If memory serves, these categories seem new since the last time I did TWiki authoring a month or so back. Is this intended to allow TWiki authoring by sword-support'ers? If so, SUPER :-) < If not, perhaps this could be considered and incorporated somehow. > As I recall, one of the sword maintainers had legitimate concerns that TWiki previously had a different purpose (circa 2002). These "Topic Classifications" seem intended to be a terrific "work around", but I wanted to check for sure. I believe quite a few sword-develop'ers besides myself would enjoy doing sword-support that involves maximized TWiki references and authoring. With its very reasonable "learning curve", I believe the majority of participants on this incredibly gifted talent pool would find it "a hoot" to do authoring, and relatively simple to learn the brilliantly conceived and implemented syntax. I consider it some of Ward Cunningham's best work (that name may "ring a bell" with some old-timers ... 70's zmodem ... crc ... XP ... etc.) There are several baby-step-by-baby-step tutorials available. Also, assistance on the sword-support task would free up quite a bit of time by the "beyond incredibly talented" sword maintainers. Most of us have NO IDEA of all the tedious chores required to facilitate end-users having access to CrossWire freeware and licensed texts. They are models of "servant-leadership." Highly recommended :-) Helping out on sword-support is a GREAT way to get more involved in the CrossWire community. There is even great value to relative newbies being involved, because their perspective is often much closer to our end-users. Please, consider this as a way to transition from being a CrossWire lurker to CrossWire worker. For His glory and honor, Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 23 18:18:58 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:18:58 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Curious about mvnForum status? References: <20040120190001.8410.65419.Mailman@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <008d01c3e1dd$5e998fd0$0200a8c0@k2> Hi sword-develop'ers, I have been eagerly awaiting availability of the mvnForum. My impression is that a prototype was installed several months ago to gain experience, with general availability to possibly follow based on experience. I just checked the previous URL http://www.crosswire.org/forums/mvnforum/index and it was blank. Am I doing something wrong? Has the URL changed? Has a decision be made that mvnForum would be redundant to the sword-devel list and thus add more work? If scarce resources are the issue on the part of the incredibly over-worked (and talented) sword maintainers, perhaps someone with appropriate skills could be recruited. My impression is this would involve Linux and serious webmaster experience, but the incredible talent pool on this list might be able to "cough up" someone :-) I was so impressed by the potential of mvnForum that I'm inclined to volunteer. However, my Linux skills are essentially non-existent, and I am no more than a "webmaster ordinaire" :-) Lynn A. l.allan@att.net From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 23 21:17:23 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:17:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Still asking about Matthew 16/WEB/Sword program In-Reply-To: <39324962.07ED27DB.0230BBD0@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 JPKlingon@aol.com wrote: > > I asked a while ago - I'm still wondering. > > When I try to look up anything past Matthew 16:15 in the WEB using the > Sword program (version 1.5.6; when will we see a compiled 1.5.7 > released?) I get ... nothing. This means that in a parallel passage > (say KJV+WEB) it won't show anything past MT 16:15.... I can search on > strings I know are in the missing verses and FIND them. The problem > doesn't exist in the web tool. > > Does anyone else see this? Is anyone trying to fix it? We will release a new version of the WEB as soon as mpj releases his OSIS version of the text and I've had a chance to convert the quotes and convert it to Sword format. There will be no version 1.5.7 for Windows. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 23 21:21:47 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:21:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Curious about mvnForum status? In-Reply-To: <008d01c3e1dd$5e998fd0$0200a8c0@k2> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Lynn Allan wrote: > Hi sword-develop'ers, > > I have been eagerly awaiting availability of the mvnForum. My impression is > that a prototype was installed several months ago to gain experience, with > general availability to possibly follow based on experience. > > I just checked the previous URL > http://www.crosswire.org/forums/mvnforum/index > > and it was blank. Am I doing something wrong? Has the URL changed? Has a > decision be made that mvnForum would be redundant to the sword-devel list > and thus add more work? I'm working on it at the moment. When it is ready, an announcement will be made. There is still absolutely no overlap between the forums and sword-devel. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 23 21:41:36 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (sword-devel@crosswire.org) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:41:36 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Still asking about Matthew 16/WEB/Sword program Message-ID: <44F21D56.6E812B88.0230BBD0@aol.com> <> Does that mean there is known to be a problem in this passage? As I noted, it is text that is there, since search finds it. <> Because? Does that mean ever, or because 1.6 or 2.0 is coming? I've no complaints about 1.5.6, but thought that might be the source of the problem. Now I don't understand if you're saying there is no future version of Sword coming, or specifically none of that number. --        _    ___/_|   *   *   *  <#_____|-Our journey into space will go on.       \_| *   *   *   *           Columbia - 2/1/2003  Lift your eyes and look to the heavens       "The Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because generally they are the same people." gkc     Joel@Mrklingon.org     www.mrklingon.org    http://www.vaccineinformation.org            vaccines save lives     From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Jan 23 22:16:28 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Klaus R. H. Walther) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:16:28 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Still asking about Matthew 16/WEB/Sword program In-Reply-To: <44F21D56.6E812B88.0230BBD0@aol.com> References: <44F21D56.6E812B88.0230BBD0@aol.com> Message-ID: <200401232316.28354.K.Walther@christen.net> Hello On Friday, 23. Januar 2004 22:41 JPKlingon@aol.com wrote: > Because? Does that mean ever, or because 1.6 or 2.0 is coming? > I've no complaints about 1.5.6, but thought that might be the source of the > problem. Now I don't understand if you're saying there is no future > version of Sword coming, or specifically none of that number. On Tuesday, 13. Januar 2004 17:16 Joachim Ansorg wrote: > The Windows program is still at version 1.5.6, the version may be different > from the library. > An updated Windows program will be release with the next Sword source > release, 1.5.8, I think. Shalom, Klaus From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 24 03:10:00 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:10:00 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <000801c3e078$69de75b0$09d008c7@bertles> References: <000801c3e078$69de75b0$09d008c7@bertles> Message-ID: <4011E208.1050703@crosswire.org> Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that we were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first before sending it to strcmp. http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work ok now for me. I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a look at our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things resolved. I figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source stylesheet, so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. God's blessings, -Troy A. Griffitts. Dan Bertles wrote: > Troy, > > Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying to > maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where it would > before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in italics. It reads > the NASB module fine. > > Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and kjv) > > mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) > > I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to > work. > > The globals.conf file is empty? > > Thoughts? > > Dan > > P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install > fonts: > > Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font file > from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's windows\fonts > directory. > > Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface > > > Dan, > Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library > defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have > books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used to > find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the INSTALL.txt in the > > zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file > contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and preserve > > directories. > > What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not > be > necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program > Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the > INSTALL.txt) > > Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've > tried > BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font > issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get the > correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to use > other fonts on CE. > > > Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, > -Troy. > > > D. Bertles wrote: > >>Troy, >> >>I can't get this version to find the modules. >> >>My mods.conf contains: >>[NASB] >>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>... >> >>[KJV] >>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>... >> >>sword.conf contains: >>[Install] >>DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >> >>The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to >>maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >> >>Dan >> >>Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >> >> For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>supporting >> the latest SWORD engine on CE. >> >> All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >> >> Here's a build for testers: >> >> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >> There are install instructions in the zip file. >> >> Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >> >> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into > > this, > >>so >> far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than me >> will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so much! >> >> -Troy. >> >> >> >> Johan Gorter wrote: >> > Hello all, >> > >> > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for >> > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so > > it can > >> > do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone > > who > >> > is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and > > what an > >> > IPAQ looks like) >> > >> > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >> > >> > I have a question about the thml filters: >> > >> > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can > > I get > >> > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move >> > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), > > and > >> > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also > > shown? > >> > >> > I hope someone can help me out here. >> > >> > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the > > project > >> > is like this: >> > >> > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >> > version 0.6 - The update version that I sent >> > version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in >> > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >> > version 0.8 - The find page implemented >> > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a > > webpage, > >> > a normal installer, an about screen, etc >> > >> > Greetings from the Netherlands, >> > >> > Johan >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sword-devel mailing list >> > sword-devel@crosswire.org >> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list >> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 24 05:55:50 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:55:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Forums Message-ID: The forums are now setup. Please have a look and tell me if there are any oddities (strange colors, hard to read text, references to "mvnForum" that you think should refer to "The SWORD Project Forums", etc.). --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 24 18:39:29 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Dan Bertles) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:39:29 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface In-Reply-To: <4011E208.1050703@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <001301c3e2a9$69715010$0bd008c7@bertles> Troy, It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is invisible. Dan -----Original Message----- From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that we were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first before sending it to strcmp. http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work ok now for me. I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a look at our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things resolved. I figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source stylesheet, so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. God's blessings, -Troy A. Griffitts. Dan Bertles wrote: > Troy, > > Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying to > maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where it > would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in italics. > It reads the NASB module fine. > > Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and kjv) > > mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) > > I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to > work. > > The globals.conf file is empty? > > Thoughts? > > Dan > > P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install > fonts: > > Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font file > from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's > windows\fonts directory. > > Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. > Griffitts > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface > > > Dan, > Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library > defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have > books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used to > find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the INSTALL.txt in the > > zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file > contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and preserve > > directories. > > What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not be > necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program > Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the > INSTALL.txt) > > Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've tried > BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font > issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get the > correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to use > other fonts on CE. > > > Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, > -Troy. > > > D. Bertles wrote: > >>Troy, >> >>I can't get this version to find the modules. >> >>My mods.conf contains: >>[NASB] >>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>... >> >>[KJV] >>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>... >> >>sword.conf contains: >>[Install] >>DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >> >>The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to >>maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >> >>Dan >> >>Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >> >> For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>supporting >> the latest SWORD engine on CE. >> >> All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >> >> Here's a build for testers: >> >> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >> There are install instructions in the zip file. >> >> Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >> >> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into > > this, > >>so >> far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than me >> will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so much! >> >> -Troy. >> >> >> >> Johan Gorter wrote: >> > Hello all, >> > >> > I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for >> > sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so > > it can > >> > do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone > > who > >> > is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and > > what an > >> > IPAQ looks like) >> > >> > http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >> > >> > I have a question about the thml filters: >> > >> > I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can > > I get > >> > the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move >> > somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), > > and > >> > that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also > > shown? > >> > >> > I hope someone can help me out here. >> > >> > My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the > > project > >> > is like this: >> > >> > version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >> > version 0.6 - The update version that I sent >> > version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in >> > http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >> > version 0.8 - The find page implemented >> > version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a > > webpage, > >> > a normal installer, an about screen, etc >> > >> > Greetings from the Netherlands, >> > >> > Johan >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sword-devel mailing list >> > sword-devel@crosswire.org >> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list >> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 24 23:28:18 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:28:18 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: simple options menu In-Reply-To: <001301c3e2a9$69715010$0bd008c7@bertles> References: <001301c3e2a9$69715010$0bd008c7@bertles> Message-ID: <4012FF92.6010507@crosswire.org> One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop Hope this helps; keep me posted, -Troy. Dan Bertles wrote: > Troy, > > It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is invisible. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface > > > Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some debugging > on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that we were > returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have invalid > markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first before sending > it to strcmp. > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work ok > now for me. > > I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a look at > > our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things resolved. I > > figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source stylesheet, > > so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. > Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. > > Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to > update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. > > God's blessings, > -Troy A. Griffitts. > > > > Dan Bertles wrote: > >>Troy, >> >>Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying to >>maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where it >>would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in italics. >>It reads the NASB module fine. >> >>Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and kjv) >> >>mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >> >>I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to >>work. >> >>The globals.conf file is empty? >> >>Thoughts? >> >>Dan >> >>P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>fonts: >> >>Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font file >>from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>windows\fonts directory. >> >>Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>Griffitts >>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >> >> >>Dan, >> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have >>books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used to >>find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the INSTALL.txt in > > the > >>zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and > > preserve > >>directories. >> >> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not > > be > >>necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>INSTALL.txt) >> >> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've > > tried > >>BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font >>issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get > > the > >>correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to use >>other fonts on CE. >> >> >> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >> -Troy. >> >> >>D. Bertles wrote: >> >> >>>Troy, >>> >>>I can't get this version to find the modules. >>> >>>My mods.conf contains: >>>[NASB] >>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>... >>> >>>[KJV] >>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>... >>> >>>sword.conf contains: >>>[Install] >>>DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>> >>>The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to >>>maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>> >>>Dan >>> >>>Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>> >>>For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>supporting >>>the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>> >>>All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>> >>>Here's a build for testers: >>> >>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>>There are install instructions in the zip file. >>> >>>Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>> >>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >> >>this, >> >> >>>so >>>far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than me >>>will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so much! >>> >>> -Troy. >>> >>> >>> >>>Johan Gorter wrote: >>> >>>>Hello all, >>>> >>>>I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for >>>>sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so >> >>it can >> >> >>>>do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone >> >>who >> >> >>>>is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >> >>what an >> >> >>>>IPAQ looks like) >>>> >>>>http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>> >>>>I have a question about the thml filters: >>>> >>>>I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can >> >>I get >> >> >>>>the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move >>>>somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), >> >>and >> >> >>>>that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >> >>shown? >> >> >>>>I hope someone can help me out here. >>>> >>>>My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >> >>project >> >> >>>>is like this: >>>> >>>>version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>version 0.6 - The update version that I sent >>>>version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in >>>>http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >> >>webpage, >> >> >>>>a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>> >>>>Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>> >>>>Johan >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sword-devel mailing list >>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sword-devel mailing list >>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 25 01:05:30 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Dan Bertles) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:05:30 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: simple options menu In-Reply-To: <4012FF92.6010507@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000101c3e2df$5d495fe0$11d008c7@bertles> Troy, Success! I changed modules to the most current one listed on Crosswire.org. I stopped using the one that came with the first Windows CE reader version. Looks great! I am chomping at the bit to have a search engine and Strongs' lookup. You don't know how long I've waited for this. Dan -----Original Message----- From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 6:28 PM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: simple options menu One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop Hope this helps; keep me posted, -Troy. Dan Bertles wrote: > Troy, > > It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is > invisible. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. > Griffitts > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface > > > Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some debugging > on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that we were > returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have invalid > markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first before sending > it to strcmp. > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work ok > now for me. > > I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a look > at > > our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things resolved. > I > > figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source > stylesheet, > > so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. > Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. > > Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to > update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. > > God's blessings, > -Troy A. Griffitts. > > > > Dan Bertles wrote: > >>Troy, >> >>Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying to >>maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where it >>would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in italics. >>It reads the NASB module fine. >> >>Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and kjv) >> >>mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >> >>I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to >>work. >> >>The globals.conf file is empty? >> >>Thoughts? >> >>Dan >> >>P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>fonts: >> >>Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font file >>from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>windows\fonts directory. >> >>Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>Griffitts >>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >> >> >>Dan, >> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have >>books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used to >>find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the INSTALL.txt in > > the > >>zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and > > preserve > >>directories. >> >> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not > > be > >>necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>INSTALL.txt) >> >> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've > > tried > >>BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font >>issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get > > the > >>correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to use >>other fonts on CE. >> >> >> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >> -Troy. >> >> >>D. Bertles wrote: >> >> >>>Troy, >>> >>>I can't get this version to find the modules. >>> >>>My mods.conf contains: >>>[NASB] >>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>... >>> >>>[KJV] >>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>... >>> >>>sword.conf contains: >>>[Install] >>>DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>> >>>The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to >>>maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>> >>>Dan >>> >>>Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>> >>>For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>supporting >>>the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>> >>>All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>> >>>Here's a build for testers: >>> >>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>>There are install instructions in the zip file. >>> >>>Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>> >>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >> >>this, >> >> >>>so >>>far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than me >>>will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so much! >>> >>> -Troy. >>> >>> >>> >>>Johan Gorter wrote: >>> >>>>Hello all, >>>> >>>>I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for >>>>sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so >> >>it can >> >> >>>>do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone >> >>who >> >> >>>>is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >> >>what an >> >> >>>>IPAQ looks like) >>>> >>>>http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>> >>>>I have a question about the thml filters: >>>> >>>>I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can >> >>I get >> >> >>>>the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move >>>>somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), >> >>and >> >> >>>>that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >> >>shown? >> >> >>>>I hope someone can help me out here. >>>> >>>>My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >> >>project >> >> >>>>is like this: >>>> >>>>version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list version >>>>0.6 - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this version >>>>(Source and compiled version in >>>>http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >> >>webpage, >> >> >>>>a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>> >>>>Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>> >>>>Johan >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sword-devel mailing list >>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sword-devel mailing list >>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 25 01:09:14 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:09:14 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: greek works now In-Reply-To: <4012FF92.6010507@crosswire.org> References: <001301c3e2a9$69715010$0bd008c7@bertles> <4012FF92.6010507@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <4013173A.3060109@crosswire.org> Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break now. Blessings, -Troy. http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup menu > for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from the > .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from running > on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: > > Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop > > Hope this helps; keep me posted, > -Troy. > > > > Dan Bertles wrote: > >> Troy, >> >> It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is invisible. >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM >> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface >> >> >> Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some debugging >> on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that we were >> returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have >> invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first before >> sending it to strcmp. >> >> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >> Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work ok >> now for me. >> >> I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a look at >> >> our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things resolved. I >> >> figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source stylesheet, >> >> so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. >> Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. >> >> Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to >> update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. >> >> God's blessings, >> -Troy A. Griffitts. >> >> >> >> Dan Bertles wrote: >> >>> Troy, >>> >>> Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying to >>> maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where it >>> would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in italics. >>> It reads the NASB module fine. >>> >>> Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and kjv) >>> >>> mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >>> >>> I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to >>> work. >>> >>> The globals.conf file is empty? >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>> fonts: >>> >>> Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font file >>> from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>> windows\fonts directory. >>> >>> Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >>> >>> >>> Dan, >>> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>> defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have >>> books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used to >>> find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the INSTALL.txt in >> >> >> the >> >>> zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>> contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and >> >> >> preserve >> >>> directories. >>> >>> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not >> >> >> be >> >>> necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>> Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>> INSTALL.txt) >>> >>> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've >> >> >> tried >> >>> BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font >>> issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get >> >> >> the >> >>> correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to use >>> other fonts on CE. >>> >>> >>> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >>> -Troy. >>> >>> >>> D. Bertles wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Troy, >>>> >>>> I can't get this version to find the modules. >>>> >>>> My mods.conf contains: >>>> [NASB] >>>> DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>> ... >>>> >>>> [KJV] >>>> DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>> ... >>>> >>>> sword.conf contains: >>>> [Install] >>>> DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>>> >>>> The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to >>>> maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>>> >>>> For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for supporting >>>> the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>>> >>>> All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>>> >>>> Here's a build for testers: >>>> >>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>> >>>> There are install instructions in the zip file. >>>> >>>> Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>>> >>>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >>> >>> >>> this, >>> >>>> so >>>> far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than me >>>> will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so much! >>>> >>>> -Troy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Johan Gorter wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for >>>>> sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so >>> >>> >>> it can >>> >>> >>>>> do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone >>> >>> >>> who >>> >>> >>>>> is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>> >>> >>> what an >>> >>> >>>>> IPAQ looks like) >>>>> >>>>> http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>>> >>>>> I have a question about the thml filters: >>>>> >>>>> I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can >>> >>> >>> I get >>> >>> >>>>> the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move >>>>> somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), >>> >>> >>> and >>> >>> >>>>> that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>> >>> >>> shown? >>> >>> >>>>> I hope someone can help me out here. >>>>> >>>>> My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>> >>> >>> project >>> >>> >>>>> is like this: >>>>> >>>>> version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>> version 0.6 - The update version that I sent >>>>> version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in >>>>> http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>> version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>> version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>> >>> >>> webpage, >>> >>> >>>>> a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>>> >>>>> Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>>> >>>>> Johan >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list >> sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list >> sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Jan 25 20:48:48 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:48:48 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Forums In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401252148.50177.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris, thanks a lot for setting up the forums! Is this a public announcement or should I wait with announcing it for our users on bibletime.info? Joachim > The forums are now setup. Please have a look and tell me if there are any > oddities (strange colors, hard to read text, references to "mvnForum" that > you think should refer to "The SWORD Project Forums", etc.). > > --Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel - -- <>< Re: deemed! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAFCuwEyRIb2AZBB0RAn/RAKC2CCclVIWOAtuy657AjF3JKraBOQCgm6se PjGc3uA5i9VKwpy4PMJKFFI= =suUB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 26 08:56:52 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Lynn Allan) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:56:52 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Beyond impressed by mvnForum Message-ID: <001c01c3e3ea$57b9c270$0200a8c0@k2> Hi Chris and sword-develop'ers, Bluntly, I was initially concerned about some of the features offered by mvnForum, and whether it was mature software or not. Just as a check, I posted a question about whether mvnForum can match the Macromedia FuseTalk capability to: "Report This To Moderator" as a feature that can alleviate the amount of "spam/scams" showing up in a forum. I'm definitely ignorant about what is the norm for modern forum software, but I was pessimistic about the answer: * Within hours had response that answer is YES * Inadvertantly got answer that very desireable feature for "activity on watched post generates eMail" is implemented * Inadvertantly get answer that totally unexpected but very desireable feature for "allow edit on previous post by author" is implemented. I'm beyond impressed! I have a feeling that the more a person uses mvnForum, the more "goodies" will turn up. "Aweful" in the 1611 sense :-) For His glory and honor, Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: [mvnForum] - Mail update from Jan 24, 2004 7:37:59 PM to Jan 26, 2004 4:46:00 AM > mvnForum Watch Summary > New Threads since: Jan 24, 2004 7:37:59 PM > Compiled at: Jan 26, 2004 4:46:00 AM > --------------------------------------- > For the latest Forum updates, visit : http://www.mvnForum.com/mvnforum/index > --------------------------------------- > [Category: mvnForum] [Forum: Feature Suggestions] > Thread [Does mvnForum have "Report This To Moderator" feature?] given to us by jr_scribbler > last posted by sdstx.de on Jan 26, 2004 4:10:08 AM > http://www.mvnForum.com/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=1604 > > > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 26 13:16:10 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:16:10 +0000 Subject: [sword-devel] Re: [bt-devel] Re: Trouble installing sword modules with new installer In-Reply-To: <200401261055.29394.vorsicht@webmail.co.za> References: <200401252012.26842.vorsicht@webmail.co.za> <200401252135.17407.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> <200401261055.29394.vorsicht@webmail.co.za> Message-ID: <1075122970.1599.15.camel@ekonomikrisis> This looks similar to the problem I had the other day. It only seems to happen for me for some modules e.g. ASV and is a general installmgr problem as the installmgr crashes as well. However, I haven't had it crash on getting mods.d Males (and Brook), do the rpms come with the installmgr utility? If so could you try `installmgr -r Crosswire` . If this crashes as well then it is a problem with the sword lib installmgr side rather than BibleTime This is what happens for me at the end of installmgr -ri Crosswire ASV < 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for ot (3596730 bytes). * Getting file with size: 3596730 < 226 Transfer complete. * Connection #0 left intact * Re-using existing connection! (#0) Segmentation fault When BibleTime tries to install the ASV it crashes. Whereas for the KJV < 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for ot.bzz (2160876 bytes). * Getting file with size: 2160876 < 226 Transfer complete. * Connection #0 left intact * Closing connection #0 Installed module: [KJV] The obvious difference between the 2 is that the KJV is a compressed module and the ASV isn't. Hope to try debugging it later (though no promises this time :/) Daniel On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 10:55, Males Tomlinson wrote: > Hi, Joachim > the console output is: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SWMgr: Can't find 'mods.conf' or 'mods.d'. Try setting: > SWORD_PATH= > Or see the README file for a full description of setup options > () > SWMgr: Can't find 'mods.conf' or 'mods.d'. Try setting: > SWORD_PATH= > Or see the README file for a full description of setup options > () > * About to connect() to ftp.crosswire.org:21 > * Connected to ftp.crosswire.org (64.140.154.250) port 21 > < 220 www.crosswire.org FTP server (Version wu-2.6.2-11.72.1) ready. > > USER ftp > < 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. > > PASS installmgr@user.com > < 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. > * We have successfully logged in > > PWD > < 257 "/" is current directory. > * Entry path is '/' > > CWD pub > < 250 CWD command successful. > > CWD sword > < 250 CWD command successful. > > CWD raw > < 250 CWD command successful. > * Telling server to connect to 155.239.131.228:33048 > > PORT 155,239,131,228,129,24 > < 200 PORT command successful. > * Ordered connect of the data stream with PORT! > > TYPE A > < 200 Type set to A. > > LIST > < 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for directory listing. > * Connection accepted from server > * Getting file with size: -1 > < 226 Transfer complete. > * Connection #0 left intact > * Re-using existing connection! (#0) > * Connected to (64.140.154.250) port 21 > > CWD / > < 250 CWD command successful. > > CWD pub > < 250 CWD command successful. > > CWD sword > < 250 CWD command successful. > > CWD raw > < 250 CWD command successful. > * Telling server to connect to 155.239.131.228:33049 > > PORT 155,239,131,228,129,25 > < 200 PORT command successful. > * Ordered connect of the data stream with PORT! > > TYPE I > < 200 Type set to I. > > SIZE mods.d.tar.gz > < 213 69231 > > RETR mods.d.tar.gz > < 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for mods.d.tar.gz (69231 bytes). > * Connection accepted from server > * Getting file with size: 69231 > < 226 Transfer complete. > * Connection #0 left intact > * Closing connection #0 > *** BibleTime got signal 11 (Crashing). Trying to save settings. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I'll unzip the mods and try a local install. > > Thanks, > Males > > On Sunday, 25 January 2004 20:35, Joachim Ansorg wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi, > > > > > Finally I got a pc up and running again, finding that the a 1.4 is > > > already out! I'm running mandrake 9.2 on a new pc and with that I > > > installed the binaries for mdk9.2. I was surprised to see a new sword > > > dialog (good job!). However, I can't get my modules installed. I tried > > > the remote install, but bibletime crashes with a signal 11 kde crash > > > report. I can give you a backtrace if you would like. > > > > Hm, what does BibleTime output in a console window? > > > > > I then directed a new source to my local files, but when I click on > > > connect to source, the list is empty. The dialog is perfect, but no > > > modules to choose. The modules are in .zip format (as I downloaded them) > > > > BT works on unzipped modules like they are on the Sword CD. Jus unzip all > > downloaded modules into a dir and add that one as local source. > > > > > On the website it says sword should have curl support enabled. I did not > > > compile my own; I used the mdk binary from the bibletime website. Has > > > that bin got curl support? > > > > I think so. > > > > Joachim > > - -- > > <>< Re: deemed! From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 26 21:09:58 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:09:58 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Forums In-Reply-To: <200401252148.50177.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> References: <200401252148.50177.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> Message-ID: <40158226.7070801@crosswire.org> It's public now. I just announcement on crosswire.org. Just a reminder to everyone: The SWORD Project Forums are a public forum, intended for interacting with users of the software. Please post in the correct area (and let me know, if you think additional areas are needed or any of those that exist should be removed). We'll try to move messages posted in the wrong area to the correct area (as often as possible). Inappropriate stuff (stuff that is just inappropriate in general, as well as messages that should be posted to sword-devel) will just be deleted. --Chris Joachim Ansorg wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Chris, > thanks a lot for setting up the forums! > > Is this a public announcement or should I wait with announcing it for our > users on bibletime.info? > > Joachim > > >>The forums are now setup. Please have a look and tell me if there are any >>oddities (strange colors, hard to read text, references to "mvnForum" that >>you think should refer to "The SWORD Project Forums", etc.). >> >>--Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 26 21:20:46 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:20:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [sword-devel] Forums In-Reply-To: <200401252148.50177.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> Message-ID: It's public now. I just announcement on crosswire.org. Just a reminder to everyone: The SWORD Project Forums are a public forum, intended for interacting with users of the software. Please post in the correct area (and let me know, if you think additional areas are needed or any of those that exist should be removed). We'll try to move messages posted in the wrong area to the correct area (as often as possible). Inappropriate stuff (stuff that is just inappropriate in general, as well as messages that should be posted to sword-devel) will just be deleted. --Chris On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Joachim Ansorg wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Chris, > thanks a lot for setting up the forums! > > Is this a public announcement or should I wait with announcing it for our > users on bibletime.info? > > Joachim > > > The forums are now setup. Please have a look and tell me if there are any > > oddities (strange colors, hard to read text, references to "mvnForum" that > > you think should refer to "The SWORD Project Forums", etc.). > > > > --Chris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list > > sword-devel@crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > - -- > <>< Re: deemed! > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAFCuwEyRIb2AZBB0RAn/RAKC2CCclVIWOAtuy657AjF3JKraBOQCgm6se > PjGc3uA5i9VKwpy4PMJKFFI= > =suUB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 26 21:36:00 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Ingo) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:36:00 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Forums In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075152960.3262.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> W li¶cie z pon, 26-01-2004, godz. 22:20, Chris Little pisze: > It's public now. I just announcement on crosswire.org. It's great - and I really do appreciate that my posts are still there:)) If anyone asks a question in polish (or sth that looks like polish), please let me know: i will translate it into english (together with my response;) From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 26 23:17:00 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael Paul Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:17:00 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Still asking about Matthew 16/WEB/Sword program In-Reply-To: References: <39324962.07ED27DB.0230BBD0@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040127091345.03069198@127.0.0.1> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 07:17 24-01-04, Chris Little wrote: >On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 JPKlingon@aol.com wrote: > >> >> I asked a while ago - I'm still wondering. >> >> When I try to look up anything past Matthew 16:15 in the WEB using >> the >> Sword program (version 1.5.6; when will we see a compiled 1.5.7 >> released?) I get ... nothing. This means that in a parallel >> passage >> (say KJV+WEB) it won't show anything past MT 16:15.... I can >> search on >> strings I know are in the missing verses and FIND them. The >> problem >> doesn't exist in the web tool. >> >> Does anyone else see this? Is anyone trying to fix it? > >We will release a new version of the WEB as soon as mpj releases his >OSIS >version of the text and I've had a chance to convert the quotes and >convert it to Sword format. The WEB OSIS 2.0 version is at http://eBible.org/web/webosis.zip for your downloading pleasure. The quotes in that file are UTF-8 typographic quotes. The tags are used only to mark Jesus' words. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: http://eBible.org/mpj/gpg.htm iD8DBQFAFZ/jRI/gxxfXR7sRAnEmAKCJroCC8yaogH5g4DCLTji4Xfa4ewCfdoWM UJFVg4d4qNHsfxvTCADlw88= =nDTi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 27 01:01:56 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael Paul Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:01:56 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] OSIS 2.0.1 modules available Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040127100615.03076608@127.0.0.1> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 American Standard Version http://eBible.org/asv/asvosis.zip God's Living Word http://eBible.org/glw/glwosis.zip Hebrew Names Version http://eBible.org/hnv/hnvosis.zip King James Version http://eBible.org/kjv/kjvosis.zip Melanesian Pidgin http://eBible.org/pdg/TokPisinOSIS.zip World English Bible http://eBible.org/web/webosis.zip Text status: ASV - contains fewer typos than in most commercial ASV texts. OT + NT. This text will be updated in place if any more typos/scan errors are found. Words of Jesus are not marked. "Minimal" level OSIS 2 compliance. Public Domain. GLW - John & John's Letters only. Words of Jesus marked in a nonstandard way (see header of OSIS file.) Copyrighted freeware text. Further translation has been halted for this edition in favor of the Public Domain WEB. Words of Jesus marked in a nonstandard way. HNV (AKA World English Bible: Messianic Edition or WEBME) - Draft OT + NT. Old Testament revision status is given at http://eBible.org/web/ (same as WEB because it is generated from the WEB with a phrase substitution list and program, but does not include the Apocrypha.) Words of the Messiah marked in a nonstandard way (see header of OSIS file.) This file will be updated frequently as progress on this work continues. Public Domain, but names trademarked to prevent use for anything but the genuine text. KJV - at least as good as most commercial KJV texts. May be updated in place if any typos are found. Words of Jesus marked. "Minimal" level OSIS 2.0 compliance. Perpetual Crown Patent valid in Great Britain and possibly in all British Commonwealth countries, but not copyrighted under international treaty. Melanesian Pidgin - proofreading in progress. This copy probably has some more errors of text omissions and missing paragraph marks, based on the proofreading done so far. Flunks the paragraph & quote consistency check in gbf2osis.exe (which actually works better in Melanesian Pidgin than in English) for most books of the Bible, but I put it up here at least temporarily, so that software writers can test with it. I plan to update this text from time to time as proofreading continues. It contains verse bridges, which the other versions above do not use. Based on and improved over the Sword copy found at crosswire.org web site. Words of Jesus not marked, except with quotation marks. Copyrighted in PNG. "Minimal" level OSIS 2 compliance. WEB - Draft OT + partial draft Apocrypha (one book) + NT. See completion status at http://eBible.org/web/. This file will be updated regularly until it is completed. (Update schedule varies, but expect at least once a month. Subscribe to the webnews mailing list at http://eBible.org/subscribe.htm if you want notifications of updates.) Words of the Messiah marked in a nonstandard way (see header of OSIS file.) Public Domain, but names trademarked to prevent use for anything but the genuine text. The above comprise a good test suite for software that uses or converts OSIS 2 texts, at least with a simple Latin alphabet. They vary in ranges of books presented, handling of quotation marks, and use of verse bridges or not. If you care to alter the marker and quote marks to strictly comply with the OSIS 2 documentation, then you face the following difficulties: 1. You MUST provide additional information outside of the OSIS standard to the users of OSIS text that allows the punctuation to be EXACTLY recreated as in the original text. The rules of this recreation and the exact markers used are different for different languages, different dialects, and even for different translations within the same dialect. They aren't even the same for all of the texts above. If you use the marks in the KJV to generate red text, that is OK, but if you generate quotation marks, you are changing the text. The KJV has no quotation marks, nor does the ASV. 2. If you scan a new Bible text that has correct quotation marks, you probably won't be able to fully automate conversion from those marks to markup. 3. If you fail in doing 1 or 2, above, you may be in violation of copyright, trademark, and/or common law. Worse yet, you shift responsibility before God from the translators to yourself for the accurate transmission of His Word. The OSIS spec should be changed to allow separation of quotation mark generation markers from words of Jesus markers. The program and C# source code used to generate the above OSIS documents from GBF documents may be found at http://ebt.cx/translation/gbf.htm, if you are interested. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) Comment: http://eBible.org/mpj/gpg.htm iD8DBQFAFbhoRI/gxxfXR7sRArdKAKChUZzetAKnzp8Ml333PuaNlpsqQwCeMKaL n0ZFP6+0I67hisUNuSNbXWI= =ArJV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Jan 26 21:12:36 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Wojciech =?iso-8859-2?Q?Bartmi=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:12:36 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Polish Bible Message-ID: <1075151556.2722.50.camel@173-tor-4.acn.waw.pl> What should we do to make it possible to add module with Polish Biblia Gdanska to the official library of the Crosswire B.S.? (module was encoded with OSIS tags by Wolfgang Schulz some time ago). (module with this Polish Bible based on the same e-text was added to e-Sword 2 months ago, but there is no UI in Polish for e-Sword). (and we prepared module with this translation in November'03, for windows - as we knew very little abt. other OSs). My second question is: Is it OK to apply for the agreement of the copyright owner to unlock the module with polish Biblia Tysiaclecia? (and for some other polish translations)? This applying would be far more difficult without at least one module with old translation (such as the above mentioned Biblia Gdanska). We have some place on some servers here in Poland, so my last question is: is it OK to ask for putting modules in Polish in the "official" Project Sword library - or is it better to try to develop separate polish version of the programs with our own download sites? Or perhaps we should wait some time until the "more international" version of Project Sword will be established? In His service, Wojciech Bartminski, Warsaw, Poland From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Jan 27 07:01:56 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:01:56 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes In-Reply-To: <4013173A.3060109@crosswire.org> References: <001301c3e2a9$69715010$0bd008c7@bertles> <4012FF92.6010507@crosswire.org> <4013173A.3060109@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <40160CE4.6050207@crosswire.org> Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're both in there now. http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip -Troy. Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the > utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't > seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break now. > > Blessings, > -Troy. > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > >> One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup >> menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. >> >> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >> Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from >> the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from >> running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: >> >> Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop >> >> Hope this helps; keep me posted, >> -Troy. >> >> >> >> Dan Bertles wrote: >> >>> Troy, >>> >>> It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is invisible. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM >>> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface >>> >>> >>> Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some >>> debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that we >>> were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have >>> invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first >>> before sending it to strcmp. >>> >>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>> Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work ok >>> now for me. >>> >>> I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a look at >>> >>> our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things resolved. I >>> >>> figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source stylesheet, >>> >>> so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. >>> Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. >>> >>> Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to >>> update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. >>> >>> God's blessings, >>> -Troy A. Griffitts. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dan Bertles wrote: >>> >>>> Troy, >>>> >>>> Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying >>>> to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where it >>>> would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in >>>> italics. It reads the NASB module fine. >>>> >>>> Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and kjv) >>>> >>>> mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >>>> >>>> I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to >>>> work. >>>> >>>> The globals.conf file is empty? >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>>> fonts: >>>> >>>> Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font file >>>> from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>>> windows\fonts directory. >>>> >>>> Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>>> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan, >>>> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>>> defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have >>>> books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used >>>> to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the INSTALL.txt in >>> >>> >>> >>> the >>> >>>> zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>>> contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and >>> >>> >>> >>> preserve >>> >>>> directories. >>>> >>>> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not >>> >>> >>> >>> be >>> >>>> necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>>> Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>>> INSTALL.txt) >>>> >>>> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've >>> >>> >>> >>> tried >>> >>>> BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font >>>> issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get >>> >>> >>> >>> the >>> >>>> correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to use >>>> other fonts on CE. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >>>> -Troy. >>>> >>>> >>>> D. Bertles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Troy, >>>>> >>>>> I can't get this version to find the modules. >>>>> >>>>> My mods.conf contains: >>>>> [NASB] >>>>> DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> [KJV] >>>>> DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> sword.conf contains: >>>>> [Install] >>>>> DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>>>> >>>>> The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to >>>>> maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>>>> >>>>> For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>>> supporting >>>>> the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>>>> >>>>> All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a build for testers: >>>>> >>>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>> >>>>> There are install instructions in the zip file. >>>>> >>>>> Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> this, >>>> >>>>> so >>>>> far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than >>>>> me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so >>>>> much! >>>>> >>>>> -Troy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Johan Gorter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for >>>>>> sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> it can >>>> >>>> >>>>>> do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> who >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what an >>>> >>>> >>>>>> IPAQ looks like) >>>>>> >>>>>> http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a question about the thml filters: >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I get >>>> >>>> >>>>>> the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move >>>>>> somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>>> that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> shown? >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I hope someone can help me out here. >>>>>> >>>>>> My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>>> version 0.6 - The update version that I sent >>>>>> version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in >>>>>> http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>>> version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>>> version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> webpage, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>>>> >>>>>> Johan >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list >> sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 29 12:23:37 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Pham, Khoi) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:23:37 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] How to use sword in a web site? Message-ID: I am developing a website and would like to use sword engine in it. How can I do it? Paul -----Original Message----- From: Troy A. Griffitts [mailto:scribe@crosswire.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:02 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're both in there now. http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip -Troy. Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the > utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't > seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break now. > > Blessings, > -Troy. > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > >> One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup >> menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. >> >> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >> Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from >> the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from >> running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: >> >> Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop >> >> Hope this helps; keep me posted, >> -Troy. >> >> >> >> Dan Bertles wrote: >> >>> Troy, >>> >>> It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is invisible. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM >>> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface >>> >>> >>> Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some >>> debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that we >>> were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have >>> invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first >>> before sending it to strcmp. >>> >>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>> Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work ok >>> now for me. >>> >>> I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a look at >>> >>> our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things resolved. I >>> >>> figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source stylesheet, >>> >>> so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. >>> Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. >>> >>> Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to >>> update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. >>> >>> God's blessings, >>> -Troy A. Griffitts. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dan Bertles wrote: >>> >>>> Troy, >>>> >>>> Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying >>>> to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where it >>>> would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in >>>> italics. It reads the NASB module fine. >>>> >>>> Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and kjv) >>>> >>>> mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >>>> >>>> I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to >>>> work. >>>> >>>> The globals.conf file is empty? >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>>> fonts: >>>> >>>> Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font file >>>> from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>>> windows\fonts directory. >>>> >>>> Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>>> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan, >>>> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>>> defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have >>>> books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used >>>> to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the INSTALL.txt in >>> >>> >>> >>> the >>> >>>> zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>>> contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and >>> >>> >>> >>> preserve >>> >>>> directories. >>>> >>>> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not >>> >>> >>> >>> be >>> >>>> necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>>> Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>>> INSTALL.txt) >>>> >>>> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've >>> >>> >>> >>> tried >>> >>>> BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font >>>> issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get >>> >>> >>> >>> the >>> >>>> correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to use >>>> other fonts on CE. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >>>> -Troy. >>>> >>>> >>>> D. Bertles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Troy, >>>>> >>>>> I can't get this version to find the modules. >>>>> >>>>> My mods.conf contains: >>>>> [NASB] >>>>> DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> [KJV] >>>>> DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> sword.conf contains: >>>>> [Install] >>>>> DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>>>> >>>>> The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to >>>>> maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>>>> >>>>> For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>>> supporting >>>>> the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>>>> >>>>> All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a build for testers: >>>>> >>>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>> >>>>> There are install instructions in the zip file. >>>>> >>>>> Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> this, >>>> >>>>> so >>>>> far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than >>>>> me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so >>>>> much! >>>>> >>>>> -Troy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Johan Gorter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for >>>>>> sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> it can >>>> >>>> >>>>>> do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> who >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what an >>>> >>>> >>>>>> IPAQ looks like) >>>>>> >>>>>> http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a question about the thml filters: >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I get >>>> >>>> >>>>>> the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move >>>>>> somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available), >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>>> that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> shown? >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I hope someone can help me out here. >>>>>> >>>>>> My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>>> version 0.6 - The update version that I sent >>>>>> version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in >>>>>> http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>>> version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>>> version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> webpage, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>>>> >>>>>> Johan >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list >> sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel ----------------------------------------- *****************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer****************** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. 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Message-ID: <000401c3e671$210d2b70$0200a8c0@k2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3E636.746BA520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [sword-devel] would like list of KJV errors[Off Topic] Hi sword-develop'ers, Just wondering if others are getting a large number of eMails that = include virus payloads? Dozens? Hundreds?=20 Any suggestions to minimize the possibility of infection(s)? To detect = infection(s)? To cure infection(s)? I've got an older NetGear router that I think has a hardware firewall = ... along with the latest Norton antivirus software and definitions, but = wondered what other 'windozers' and/or linux members were experiencing.=20 Please join me in prayer to defeat the people (and/or demons) = responsible, bring salvation and peace to their icy hearts, and 'break = their teeth' as appropriate. 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Hi sword-develop'ers,
 
Just wondering if others are = getting a large=20 number of eMails that include virus payloads? Dozens? Hundreds? =
 
Any suggestions to minimize the = possibility of=20 infection(s)? To detect infection(s)? To cure infection(s)?
 
I've got an older NetGear router = that I think=20 has a hardware firewall ... along with the latest Norton antivirus = software and=20 definitions, but wondered what other 'windozers' and/or linux = members were=20 experiencing.
 
Please join me in prayer to defeat the = people=20 (and/or demons) responsible, bring salvation and peace to = their icy=20 hearts, and 'break their teeth' as appropriate.
 
For His glory and honor,
Lynn A.
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3E636.746BA520-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 29 15:15:35 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Mentler Gyula) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:15:35 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes In-Reply-To: <40160CE4.6050207@crosswire.org> References: <4013173A.3060109@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <401931A7.12481.4C7EBF9@localhost> > Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes > in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably > should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works > ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf > file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas > another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're both > in there now. I tried to test the program on my HP iPAQ 2210. I use a CF card with the mount point CF Card. I tried to change the SD Card to CF Card and an other time to add a new AugmentPath=CF Card line to the word.conf. Both failed with the message:ERROR: No bibles were installed. I unziped my modules directly to the root of the CF Card (there are two directories now: MODULES NEWMODS) What have I missed? Gyula From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 29 17:52:13 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:52:13 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.4.1 release Message-ID: <200401291852.16607.junkmail@joachim.ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 BibleTime 1.4.1 is out now. Changes are bugfixes (esp. in the Sword setup dialog) and updated translations. Joachim - -- <>< Re: deemed! Joachim Ansorg www.bibletime.info / joachim.ansorgs.de -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAGUhNEyRIb2AZBB0RAt0XAJ4zwEHi+VJQgpKE5CcDujUtUwybdACgpmZP eXETrrWSclFit9XAIA7eGvQ= =ussa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 29 20:26:18 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:26:18 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Maps revisited Message-ID: <200401291526.18446.davidslists@gmx.net> Ok, I've thought some more about maps and this is what I've come up with. Three basic types, 1)Static- These would just be images support for this is already basically done. 2)Interactive- These would be the hallmark. It would possibly be derived from SVG or some other similar standard. Basically the user is presented with a map that contains "hotspots." Left clicking on Jerusalem, for example, might take you to a more detailed map of the city, or to a encyclopedia entry, or something like that. Or if you click on, Herod's temple and get a 3d walk through, etc. And you could possibly even have an interactive timeline that overlaid different map features such as land forms, or borders, or locations of cities, etc. Right clicking on a hotspot would present a menu with other options than the default left click action, like being taken to an encyclopedia entry or a culture and customs work, or whatever. And the user could possibly even supply their own comments to the hotspot. 3)Satellite- This type would have limited use, since the way I currently picture it is that the display of these modules is upto the front end. The library would present the front end with processed DEM data and the front end would deal with it how it saw fit; creating a 3d model, or perhaps a relief map, or a contour map, or whatever the front end creators feel is most beneficial to the user. It could possibly even be multiple things (relief and contour map, for example). -- --David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me (relatively) spam free since 2003 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 29 23:36:34 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Dan Bertles) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:36:34 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes In-Reply-To: <40160CE4.6050207@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <001101c3e6c0$bcd74640$1cd008c7@bertles> Troy, Haven't been able to get storage card to work. Do I store modules in separate directories on the storage card or at the root. Do I create/copy kjv.conf to that directory or do I refer to the path in a mods.conf or a kjv.conf in the mods.d directory? Thanks for your help. Dan -----Original Message----- From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:02 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're both in there now. http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip -Troy. Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the > utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't > seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break > now. > > Blessings, > -Troy. > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > >> One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup >> menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. >> >> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >> Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from >> the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from >> running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: >> >> Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop >> >> Hope this helps; keep me posted, >> -Troy. >> >> >> >> Dan Bertles wrote: >> >>> Troy, >>> >>> It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is >>> invisible. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>> Griffitts >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM >>> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface >>> >>> >>> Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some >>> debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that we >>> were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have >>> invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first >>> before sending it to strcmp. >>> >>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>> Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work >>> ok >>> now for me. >>> >>> I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a >>> look at >>> >>> our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things >>> resolved. I >>> >>> figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source >>> stylesheet, >>> >>> so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. >>> Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. >>> >>> Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to >>> update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. >>> >>> God's blessings, >>> -Troy A. Griffitts. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dan Bertles wrote: >>> >>>> Troy, >>>> >>>> Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying >>>> to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where it >>>> would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in >>>> italics. It reads the NASB module fine. >>>> >>>> Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and >>>> kjv) >>>> >>>> mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >>>> >>>> I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to >>>> work. >>>> >>>> The globals.conf file is empty? >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>>> fonts: >>>> >>>> Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font >>>> file >>>> from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>>> windows\fonts directory. >>>> >>>> Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>>> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan, >>>> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>>> defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have >>>> books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used >>>> to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the >>>> INSTALL.txt in >>> >>> >>> >>> the >>> >>>> zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>>> contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and >>> >>> >>> >>> preserve >>> >>>> directories. >>>> >>>> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not >>> >>> >>> >>> be >>> >>>> necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>>> Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>>> INSTALL.txt) >>>> >>>> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've >>> >>> >>> >>> tried >>> >>>> BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font >>>> issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get >>> >>> >>> >>> the >>> >>>> correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to >>>> use >>>> other fonts on CE. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >>>> -Troy. >>>> >>>> >>>> D. Bertles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Troy, >>>>> >>>>> I can't get this version to find the modules. >>>>> >>>>> My mods.conf contains: >>>>> [NASB] >>>>> DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> [KJV] >>>>> DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> sword.conf contains: >>>>> [Install] >>>>> DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>>>> >>>>> The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried >>>>> to >>>>> maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>>>> >>>>> For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>>> supporting >>>>> the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>>>> >>>>> All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a build for testers: >>>>> >>>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>> >>>>> There are install instructions in the zip file. >>>>> >>>>> Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> this, >>>> >>>>> so >>>>> far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than >>>>> me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so >>>>> much! >>>>> >>>>> -Troy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Johan Gorter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface >>>>>> for sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in >>>>>> browser, so >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> it can >>>> >>>> >>>>>> do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for >>>>>> everyone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> who >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what an >>>> >>>> >>>>>> IPAQ looks like) >>>>>> >>>>>> http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a question about the thml filters: >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How >>>>>> can >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I get >>>> >>>> >>>>>> the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or >>>>>> move somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when >>>>>> available), >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>>> that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> shown? >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I hope someone can help me out here. >>>>>> >>>>>> My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>>> version 0.6 - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this >>>>>> version (Source and compiled version in >>>>>> http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>>> version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>>> version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> webpage, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>>>> >>>>>> Johan >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list >> sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Jan 29 17:47:14 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:47:14 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.4.1 release Message-ID: <200401291847.19725.joachim@ansorgs.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 BibleTime 1.4.1 is out now. Changes are bugfixes (esp. in the Sword setup dialog) and updated translations. Joachim - -- <>< Re: deemed! Joachim Ansorg www.bibletime.info / joachim.ansorgs.de -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAGUcmEyRIb2AZBB0RApYZAJ9bmGYKey3ZqMsYuP4MiJvZ+//H0ACeJ54i 7u3VwZbsDub4zJoll1KkjQ8= =52af -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 31 03:55:49 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:55:49 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] [off topic] Are sword-develop'ers getting blizzard of virus laden eMails? In-Reply-To: <000401c3e671$210d2b70$0200a8c0@k2> References: <000401c3e671$210d2b70$0200a8c0@k2> Message-ID: <200401302255.49217.davidslists@gmx.net> On Thursday 29 January 2004 09:06 am, Lynn Allan wrote: > Just wondering if others are getting a large number of eMails that include > virus payloads? Dozens? Hundreds? Yeah, that's basically all sword-support is these days. And this address gets an ungodly number too. -- --David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me (relatively) spam free since 2003 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 31 08:19:52 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:19:52 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes In-Reply-To: <401931A7.12481.4C7EBF9@localhost> References: <4013173A.3060109@crosswire.org> <401931A7.12481.4C7EBF9@localhost> Message-ID: <401B6528.6040908@crosswire.org> It seems you have downloaded the windows zip files? You really should download the raw .zip package to install on your ipaq. Just unzip them to \Program Files\sword\books\ Yes, you should be able to use sword.conf to specify this information. Please remember, the app doesn't really close down on clicking the (X). You must: Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop Then rerun the app for new settings or books to be found. -Troy. Mentler Gyula wrote: >>Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes >>in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably >>should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works >>ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf >>file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas >>another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're both >>in there now. > > > I tried to test the program on my HP iPAQ 2210. I use a CF card with > the mount point CF Card. I tried to change the SD Card to CF Card and > an other time to add a new AugmentPath=CF Card line to the word.conf. > Both failed with the message:ERROR: No bibles were installed. > I unziped my modules directly to the root of the CF Card (there are > two directories now: MODULES NEWMODS) > > What have I missed? > > Gyula > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 31 08:23:21 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:23:21 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes In-Reply-To: <001101c3e6c0$bcd74640$1cd008c7@bertles> References: <001101c3e6c0$bcd74640$1cd008c7@bertles> Message-ID: <401B65F9.2070603@crosswire.org> I have all my books stored on SD mem, so my directories look something like: \SD Card\mods.d\kjv.conf \SD Card\modules\texts\ztext\kjv\... Hope this helps. Basically just unzip the raw module download packages (maintaining their directory structure) to either the root of the memory card, or the \Program Files\sword\books\ Don't forget to restart the app as stated in last email. Hope this helps, -Troy. Dan Bertles wrote: > Troy, > > Haven't been able to get storage card to work. Do I store modules in > separate directories on the storage card or at the root. > > Do I create/copy kjv.conf to that directory or do I refer to the path in > a mods.conf or a kjv.conf in the mods.d directory? > > Thanks for your help. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:02 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes > > > Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes > in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably > should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works > ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf > file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas > another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're both > in there now. > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > > -Troy. > > > > Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > >>Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the >>utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't >>seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break >>now. >> >> Blessings, >> -Troy. >> >>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >>Troy A. Griffitts wrote: >> >> >>>One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup >>>menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. >>> >>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>>Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from >>>the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from >>>running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: >>> >>>Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop >>> >>>Hope this helps; keep me posted, >>> -Troy. >>> >>> >>> >>>Dan Bertles wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Troy, >>>> >>>>It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is >>>>invisible. >>>> >>>>Dan >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>>>Griffitts >>>>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM >>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface >>>> >>>> >>>>Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some >>>>debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that > > we > >>>>were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have > > >>>>invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first >>>>before sending it to strcmp. >>>> >>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>> >>>>Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work >>>>ok >>>>now for me. >>>> >>>>I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a >>>>look at >>>> >>>>our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things >>>>resolved. I >>>> >>>>figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source >>>>stylesheet, >>>> >>>>so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. >>>>Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. >>>> >>>>Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to >>>>update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. >>>> >>>> God's blessings, >>>> -Troy A. Griffitts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Dan Bertles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Troy, >>>>> >>>>>Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying >>>>>to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where > > it > >>>>>would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in >>>>>italics. It reads the NASB module fine. >>>>> >>>>>Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and >>>>>kjv) >>>>> >>>>>mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >>>>> >>>>>I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to >>>>>work. >>>>> >>>>>The globals.conf file is empty? >>>>> >>>>>Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>>Dan >>>>> >>>>>P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>>>>fonts: >>>>> >>>>>Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font >>>>>file >>>>>from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>>>>windows\fonts directory. >>>>> >>>>>Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>>>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. > > Griffitts > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Dan, >>>>> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>>>>defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have > > >>>>>books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used >>>>>to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the >>>>>INSTALL.txt in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>>>zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>>>>contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>preserve >>>> >>>> >>>>>directories. >>>>> >>>>> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>be >>>> >>>> >>>>>necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>>>>Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>>>>INSTALL.txt) >>>>> >>>>> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>tried >>>> >>>> >>>>>BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font >>>>>issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>>>correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to >>>>>use >>>>>other fonts on CE. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >>>>> -Troy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>D. Bertles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Troy, >>>>>> >>>>>>I can't get this version to find the modules. >>>>>> >>>>>>My mods.conf contains: >>>>>>[NASB] >>>>>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>>>>... >>>>>> >>>>>>[KJV] >>>>>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>>>>... >>>>>> >>>>>>sword.conf contains: >>>>>>[Install] >>>>>>DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>>>>> >>>>>>The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried >>>>>>to >>>>>>maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>>>>> >>>>>>Dan >>>>>> >>>>>>Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>>>>> >>>>>>For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>>>>supporting >>>>>>the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>>>>> >>>>>>All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here's a build for testers: >>>>>> >>>>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>>> >>>>>>There are install instructions in the zip file. >>>>>> >>>>>>Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>this, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>so >>>>>>far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than >>>>>>me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so >>>>>>much! >>>>>> >>>>>> -Troy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Johan Gorter wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface >>>>>>>for sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in >>>>>>>browser, so >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>it can >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for >>>>>>>everyone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>who >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>what an >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>IPAQ looks like) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have a question about the thml filters: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How >>>>>>>can >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I get >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or >>>>>>>move somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when >>>>>>>available), >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>shown? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>I hope someone can help me out here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>is like this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>>>>version 0.6 - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this >>>>>>>version (Source and compiled version in >>>>>>>http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>>>>version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>>>>version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>webpage, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Johan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sword-devel mailing list >>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 31 11:42:59 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Johan Gorter) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:42:59 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] CE progress In-Reply-To: <40160CE4.6050207@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000001c3e7ef$609edd90$548a5982@DRSOONGVAIO> Hello windows CE developpers, In the last couple of weeks I did not have much time to work on the windows CE project, due to exams, my graduation project and applying for jobs. This is why I have not been active for a while. Anyway, I see some great progress on the project! I got some errors, but at least they were nicely formatted :-) . After I included an extra header somewhere I could compile the most recent sources and after I downloaded and installed the kjv version it kind of runs right now. I say 'kind of', because my emulator runs out of memory and my IPAQ puts a lot of unreadable characters after each verse. It is by the way also very slow. I will look at it this afternoon. I see a lot of new features in the menu. This is very good, but please keep in mind that the philosophy behind this application is that it should be very easy for everyone to quickly read in the bible. Things like simplicity, speed, screen usage and mouse-clicks should not suffer from new features. I am very pleased with the way they appear in the menu right now. I will try get the search-page of the application to work. I look forward to see how God guides this project further. Greetings, Johan Oh Troy, my memory card located at '/Storage Card' (Ipaq 1915). -----Original Message----- From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 08:02 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're both in there now. http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip -Troy. Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the > utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't > seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break > now. > > Blessings, > -Troy. > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > >> One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup >> menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. >> >> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >> Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from >> the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from >> running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: >> >> Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop >> >> Hope this helps; keep me posted, >> -Troy. >> >> >> >> Dan Bertles wrote: >> >>> Troy, >>> >>> It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is >>> invisible. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>> Griffitts >>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM >>> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface >>> >>> >>> Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some >>> debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that >>> we were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must >>> have invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first >>> before sending it to strcmp. >>> >>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>> Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work >>> ok >>> now for me. >>> >>> I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a >>> look at >>> >>> our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things >>> resolved. I >>> >>> figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source >>> stylesheet, >>> >>> so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. >>> Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. >>> >>> Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to >>> update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. >>> >>> God's blessings, >>> -Troy A. Griffitts. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dan Bertles wrote: >>> >>>> Troy, >>>> >>>> Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying >>>> to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where >>>> it would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in >>>> italics. It reads the NASB module fine. >>>> >>>> Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and >>>> kjv) >>>> >>>> mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >>>> >>>> I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to >>>> work. >>>> >>>> The globals.conf file is empty? >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>>> fonts: >>>> >>>> Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font >>>> file >>>> from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>>> windows\fonts directory. >>>> >>>> Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>>> Griffitts >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>>> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan, >>>> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>>> defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have >>>> books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used >>>> to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the >>>> INSTALL.txt in >>> >>> >>> >>> the >>> >>>> zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>>> contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and >>> >>> >>> >>> preserve >>> >>>> directories. >>>> >>>> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not >>> >>> >>> >>> be >>> >>>> necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>>> Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>>> INSTALL.txt) >>>> >>>> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've >>> >>> >>> >>> tried >>> >>>> BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font >>>> issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get >>> >>> >>> >>> the >>> >>>> correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to >>>> use >>>> other fonts on CE. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >>>> -Troy. >>>> >>>> >>>> D. Bertles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Troy, >>>>> >>>>> I can't get this version to find the modules. >>>>> >>>>> My mods.conf contains: >>>>> [NASB] >>>>> DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> [KJV] >>>>> DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> sword.conf contains: >>>>> [Install] >>>>> DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>>>> >>>>> The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried >>>>> to >>>>> maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>>>> >>>>> For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>>> supporting the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>>>> >>>>> All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a build for testers: >>>>> >>>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>> >>>>> There are install instructions in the zip file. >>>>> >>>>> Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> this, >>>> >>>>> so >>>>> far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than >>>>> me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so >>>>> much! >>>>> >>>>> -Troy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Johan Gorter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface >>>>>> for sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in >>>>>> browser, so >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> it can >>>> >>>> >>>>>> do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for >>>>>> everyone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> who >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what an >>>> >>>> >>>>>> IPAQ looks like) >>>>>> >>>>>> http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a question about the thml filters: >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How >>>>>> can >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I get >>>> >>>> >>>>>> the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or >>>>>> move somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when >>>>>> available), >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>>> that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> shown? >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I hope someone can help me out here. >>>>>> >>>>>> My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>>> version 0.6 - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this >>>>>> version (Source and compiled version in >>>>>> http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>>> version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>>> version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> webpage, >>>> >>>> >>>>>> a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>>>> >>>>>> Johan >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sword-devel mailing list >>>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list >> sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 31 12:54:10 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Christian Renz) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:54:10 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] [off topic] Are sword-develop'ers getting blizzard of virus laden eMails? In-Reply-To: <000401c3e671$210d2b70$0200a8c0@k2> References: <000401c3e671$210d2b70$0200a8c0@k2> Message-ID: <20040131125409.GA26542@web42.com> Lynn, it's the same procedure to not get infected as usual: Don't open the attachments. Apart from that, the biggest nuisance is the sheer volume of mails containing the virus. I used to get several hundreds of these per day, but now am rejecting mails that contain Zip archives (on top of rejecting Windows executables). I plan to take out the filter after a few days, since there are times when I receive Zip archives, but for now, this was a five-minute hack that really saves me some time. If you need some inspiration and have a Unix-based mail server, take a look at http://www.web42.com/stuff/deny_zip.txt (I was too lazy to actually look into the archive and see whether there's executables inside, so I am just rejecting all Zip archives.) >I've got an older NetGear router that I think has a hardware firewall Will help against direct attacks, but not against viri/worms distributed via e-mail. >Please join me in prayer to defeat the people (and/or demons) responsible, >bring salvation and peace to their icy hearts, and 'break their teeth' as >appropriate. There's a saying something like "Don't blame it on the devil if sheer ignorance and laziness could be the cause"... :). Whose ignorance and laziness I won't go into, as I don't want to stir up a debate for controversy's sake. I do hope the whole thing will be over soon. Greetings and blessings, Christian -- crenz@web42.com - http://www.web42.com/crenz/ - http://www.web42.com/ "The computer should be doing the hard work. That's what it's paid to do, after all." -- Larry Wall From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 31 14:11:43 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Johan Gorter) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:11:43 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes In-Reply-To: <401B65F9.2070603@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000501c3e804$27ba7470$548a5982@DRSOONGVAIO> Troy, I got the same problem with the version checked out from CVS. I solved it by passing the '\program files\sword\books\' to the constructor of SWMgr. I do not see how it should work otherwise. The sword.conf file should probably do this, but I do not see where this file gets loaded anywhere. Hope this helps, Johan -----Original Message----- From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 09:23 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes I have all my books stored on SD mem, so my directories look something like: \SD Card\mods.d\kjv.conf \SD Card\modules\texts\ztext\kjv\... Hope this helps. Basically just unzip the raw module download packages (maintaining their directory structure) to either the root of the memory card, or the \Program Files\sword\books\ Don't forget to restart the app as stated in last email. Hope this helps, -Troy. Dan Bertles wrote: > Troy, > > Haven't been able to get storage card to work. Do I store modules in > separate directories on the storage card or at the root. > > Do I create/copy kjv.conf to that directory or do I refer to the path > in a mods.conf or a kjv.conf in the mods.d directory? > > Thanks for your help. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. > Griffitts > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:02 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes > > > Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes > in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably > should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works > ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf > file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas > another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're both > in there now. > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > > -Troy. > > > > Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > >>Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the >>utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't >>seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break >>now. >> >> Blessings, >> -Troy. >> >>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >>Troy A. Griffitts wrote: >> >> >>>One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup >>>menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. >>> >>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>>Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from >>>the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from >>>running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: >>> >>>Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop >>> >>>Hope this helps; keep me posted, >>> -Troy. >>> >>> >>> >>>Dan Bertles wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Troy, >>>> >>>>It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is >>>>invisible. >>>> >>>>Dan >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>>>Griffitts >>>>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM >>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface >>>> >>>> >>>>Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some >>>>debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that > > we > >>>>were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have > > >>>>invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first >>>>before sending it to strcmp. >>>> >>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>> >>>>Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work >>>>ok >>>>now for me. >>>> >>>>I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a >>>>look at >>>> >>>>our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things >>>>resolved. I >>>> >>>>figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source >>>>stylesheet, >>>> >>>>so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. >>>>Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. >>>> >>>>Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to >>>>update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. >>>> >>>> God's blessings, >>>> -Troy A. Griffitts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Dan Bertles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Troy, >>>>> >>>>>Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying >>>>>to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where > > it > >>>>>would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in >>>>>italics. It reads the NASB module fine. >>>>> >>>>>Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and >>>>>kjv) >>>>> >>>>>mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >>>>> >>>>>I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to >>>>>work. >>>>> >>>>>The globals.conf file is empty? >>>>> >>>>>Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>>Dan >>>>> >>>>>P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>>>>fonts: >>>>> >>>>>Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font >>>>>file >>>>>from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>>>>windows\fonts directory. >>>>> >>>>>Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>>>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. > > Griffitts > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Dan, >>>>> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>>>>defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have > > >>>>>books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used >>>>>to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the >>>>>INSTALL.txt in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>>>zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>>>>contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>preserve >>>> >>>> >>>>>directories. >>>>> >>>>> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>be >>>> >>>> >>>>>necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>>>>Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>>>>INSTALL.txt) >>>>> >>>>> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>tried >>>> >>>> >>>>>BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font >>>>>issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>>>correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to >>>>>use >>>>>other fonts on CE. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >>>>> -Troy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>D. Bertles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Troy, >>>>>> >>>>>>I can't get this version to find the modules. >>>>>> >>>>>>My mods.conf contains: >>>>>>[NASB] >>>>>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>>>>... >>>>>> >>>>>>[KJV] >>>>>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>>>>... >>>>>> >>>>>>sword.conf contains: >>>>>>[Install] >>>>>>DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>>>>> >>>>>>The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried >>>>>>to >>>>>>maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>>>>> >>>>>>Dan >>>>>> >>>>>>Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>>>>> >>>>>>For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>>>>supporting the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>>>>> >>>>>>All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here's a build for testers: >>>>>> >>>>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>>> >>>>>>There are install instructions in the zip file. >>>>>> >>>>>>Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>this, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>so >>>>>>far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than >>>>>>me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so >>>>>>much! >>>>>> >>>>>> -Troy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Johan Gorter wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface >>>>>>>for sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in >>>>>>>browser, so >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>it can >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for >>>>>>>everyone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>who >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>what an >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>IPAQ looks like) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have a question about the thml filters: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How >>>>>>>can >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I get >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or >>>>>>>move somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when >>>>>>>available), >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>shown? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>I hope someone can help me out here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>is like this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>>>>version 0.6 - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this >>>>>>>version (Source and compiled version in >>>>>>>http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>>>>version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>>>>version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>webpage, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Johan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sword-devel mailing list >>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Jan 28 18:34:31 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:34:31 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes In-Reply-To: <000501c3e804$27ba7470$548a5982@DRSOONGVAIO> References: <000501c3e804$27ba7470$548a5982@DRSOONGVAIO> Message-ID: <401800B7.40007@crosswire.org> Johan, You should grab my swordce.zip file from: http://www.crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip and unzip it to your \Program Files\ directory on either your emulator or your handheld, then revert your recent commits to hardcode the path to the SWMgr c-tor. Also, BE SURE you cvs update on BOTH swordreader AND sword. I made many changes to the sword engine to support the work in swordreader. Hope this helps. -Troy. Johan Gorter wrote: > Troy, > > I got the same problem with the version checked out from CVS. I solved > it by passing the '\program files\sword\books\' to the constructor of > SWMgr. I do not see how it should work otherwise. The sword.conf file > should probably do this, but I do not see where this file gets loaded > anywhere. > > Hope this helps, > > Johan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 09:23 > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes > > > I have all my books stored on SD mem, so my directories look something > like: > > \SD Card\mods.d\kjv.conf > \SD Card\modules\texts\ztext\kjv\... > > Hope this helps. Basically just unzip the raw module download packages > (maintaining their directory structure) to either the root of the memory > > card, or the \Program Files\sword\books\ > > Don't forget to restart the app as stated in last email. > > Hope this helps, > -Troy. > > > > Dan Bertles wrote: > >>Troy, >> >>Haven't been able to get storage card to work. Do I store modules in >>separate directories on the storage card or at the root. >> >>Do I create/copy kjv.conf to that directory or do I refer to the path >>in a mods.conf or a kjv.conf in the mods.d directory? >> >>Thanks for your help. >> >>Dan >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>Griffitts >>Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:02 AM >>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes >> >> >>Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes >>in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably > > >>should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works > > >>ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf >>file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas >>another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're > > both > >>in there now. >> >>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >> >> -Troy. >> >> >> >>Troy A. Griffitts wrote: >> >> >>>Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the >>>utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't >>>seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break >>>now. >>> >>> Blessings, >>> -Troy. >>> >>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>>Troy A. Griffitts wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup >>>>menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. >>>> >>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>> >>>>Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from >>>>the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from >>>>running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: >>>> >>>>Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop >>>> >>>>Hope this helps; keep me posted, >>>> -Troy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Dan Bertles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Troy, >>>>> >>>>>It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is >>>>>invisible. >>>>> >>>>>Dan >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>>>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>>>>Griffitts >>>>>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM >>>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some >>>>>debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that >> >>we >> >> >>>>>were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have >> >> >>>>>invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first >>>>>before sending it to strcmp. >>>>> >>>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>> >>>>>Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work >>>>>ok >>>>>now for me. >>>>> >>>>>I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a >>>>>look at >>>>> >>>>>our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things >>>>>resolved. I >>>>> >>>>>figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source >>>>>stylesheet, >>>>> >>>>>so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. >>>>>Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. >>>>> >>>>>Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to > > >>>>>update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. >>>>> >>>>> God's blessings, >>>>> -Troy A. Griffitts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Dan Bertles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Troy, >>>>>> >>>>>>Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying >>>>>>to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where >> >>it >> >> >>>>>>would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in >>>>>>italics. It reads the NASB module fine. >>>>>> >>>>>>Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and >>>>>>kjv) >>>>>> >>>>>>mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >>>>>> >>>>>>I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to > > >>>>>>work. >>>>>> >>>>>>The globals.conf file is empty? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>>Dan >>>>>> >>>>>>P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>>>>>fonts: >>>>>> >>>>>>Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font >>>>>>file >>>>> >>>>>>from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>>>> >>>>>>windows\fonts directory. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>>>>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >> >>Griffitts >> >> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>>>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Dan, >>>>>> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>>>>>defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have >> >> >>>>>>books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used >>>>>>to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the >>>>>>INSTALL.txt in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>>>>>contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>preserve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>directories. >>>>>> >>>>>> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>>>>>Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>>>>>INSTALL.txt) >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>tried >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font > > >>>>>>issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to >>>>>>use >>>>>>other fonts on CE. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >>>>>> -Troy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>D. Bertles wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Troy, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I can't get this version to find the modules. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My mods.conf contains: >>>>>>>[NASB] >>>>>>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>>>>>... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[KJV] >>>>>>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>>>>>... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>sword.conf contains: >>>>>>>[Install] >>>>>>>DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried >>>>>>>to >>>>>>>maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Dan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>>>>>supporting the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Here's a build for testers: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>>>> >>>>>>>There are install instructions in the zip file. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>this, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>so >>>>>>>far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than >>>>>>>me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so >>>>>>>much! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Troy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Johan Gorter wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface >>>>>>>>for sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in >>>>>>>>browser, so >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>it can >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for >>>>>>>>everyone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>who >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>what an >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>IPAQ looks like) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have a question about the thml filters: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How >>>>>>>>can >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I get >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or >>>>>>>>move somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when >>>>>>>>available), >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>shown? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>I hope someone can help me out here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>is like this: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>>>>>version 0.6 - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this >>>>>>>>version (Source and compiled version in >>>>>>>>http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>>>>>version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>>>>>version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>webpage, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Johan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sword-devel mailing list >>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 31 20:43:22 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Dan Bertles) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:43:22 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes In-Reply-To: <401B65F9.2070603@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000501c3e83a$e1bef040$22d008c7@bertles> Troy, I finally got the memory card to work. Thanks for the help. I didn't know that I needed a mods.d on the storage card. I thought all the conf files could reference the storage card. The only thing that I have left to get working are the morphs. I downloaded the most recent versions of BDB and Robinson. The morph window pops up, but is blank. Any ideas? [BDB] DataPath=./bdb ModDrv=RawLD Feature=HebrewDef Feature=HebrewParse Lang=en Encoding=UTF-8 SourceType=ThML [Robinson] DataPath=./robinson ModDrv=RawLD SourceType=ThML Lang=en Version=1.1 Feature=GreekParse I tried putting "/hebrew" and "/greek" at the end of each datapath statement respectively just like strongs, but it didn't make a difference. Dan -----Original Message----- From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:23 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes I have all my books stored on SD mem, so my directories look something like: \SD Card\mods.d\kjv.conf \SD Card\modules\texts\ztext\kjv\... Hope this helps. Basically just unzip the raw module download packages (maintaining their directory structure) to either the root of the memory card, or the \Program Files\sword\books\ Don't forget to restart the app as stated in last email. Hope this helps, -Troy. Dan Bertles wrote: > Troy, > > Haven't been able to get storage card to work. Do I store modules in > separate directories on the storage card or at the root. > > Do I create/copy kjv.conf to that directory or do I refer to the path > in a mods.conf or a kjv.conf in the mods.d directory? > > Thanks for your help. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. > Griffitts > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:02 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes > > > Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes > in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably > should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works > ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf > file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas > another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're both > in there now. > > http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip > > > -Troy. > > > > Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > >>Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the >>utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't >>seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break >>now. >> >> Blessings, >> -Troy. >> >>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >>Troy A. Griffitts wrote: >> >> >>>One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup >>>menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. >>> >>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>>Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from >>>the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from >>>running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: >>> >>>Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop >>> >>>Hope this helps; keep me posted, >>> -Troy. >>> >>> >>> >>>Dan Bertles wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Troy, >>>> >>>>It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is >>>>invisible. >>>> >>>>Dan >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>>>Griffitts >>>>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM >>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface >>>> >>>> >>>>Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some >>>>debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that > > we > >>>>were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have > > >>>>invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first >>>>before sending it to strcmp. >>>> >>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>> >>>>Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work >>>>ok >>>>now for me. >>>> >>>>I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a >>>>look at >>>> >>>>our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things >>>>resolved. I >>>> >>>>figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source >>>>stylesheet, >>>> >>>>so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. >>>>Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. >>>> >>>>Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to >>>>update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. >>>> >>>> God's blessings, >>>> -Troy A. Griffitts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Dan Bertles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Troy, >>>>> >>>>>Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying >>>>>to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where > > it > >>>>>would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in >>>>>italics. It reads the NASB module fine. >>>>> >>>>>Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and >>>>>kjv) >>>>> >>>>>mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >>>>> >>>>>I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to >>>>>work. >>>>> >>>>>The globals.conf file is empty? >>>>> >>>>>Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>>Dan >>>>> >>>>>P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>>>>fonts: >>>>> >>>>>Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font >>>>>file >>>>>from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>>>>windows\fonts directory. >>>>> >>>>>Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>>>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. > > Griffitts > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Dan, >>>>> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>>>>defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have > > >>>>>books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used >>>>>to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the >>>>>INSTALL.txt in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>>>zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>>>>contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>preserve >>>> >>>> >>>>>directories. >>>>> >>>>> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>be >>>> >>>> >>>>>necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>>>>Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>>>>INSTALL.txt) >>>>> >>>>> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>tried >>>> >>>> >>>>>BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font >>>>>issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>>>correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to >>>>>use >>>>>other fonts on CE. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >>>>> -Troy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>D. Bertles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Troy, >>>>>> >>>>>>I can't get this version to find the modules. >>>>>> >>>>>>My mods.conf contains: >>>>>>[NASB] >>>>>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>>>>... >>>>>> >>>>>>[KJV] >>>>>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>>>>... >>>>>> >>>>>>sword.conf contains: >>>>>>[Install] >>>>>>DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>>>>> >>>>>>The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried >>>>>>to >>>>>>maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>>>>> >>>>>>Dan >>>>>> >>>>>>Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>>>>> >>>>>>For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>>>>supporting the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>>>>> >>>>>>All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here's a build for testers: >>>>>> >>>>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>>> >>>>>>There are install instructions in the zip file. >>>>>> >>>>>>Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>this, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>so >>>>>>far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than >>>>>>me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so >>>>>>much! >>>>>> >>>>>> -Troy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Johan Gorter wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface >>>>>>>for sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in >>>>>>>browser, so >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>it can >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for >>>>>>>everyone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>who >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>what an >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>IPAQ looks like) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have a question about the thml filters: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How >>>>>>>can >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I get >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or >>>>>>>move somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when >>>>>>>available), >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>shown? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>I hope someone can help me out here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>is like this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>>>>version 0.6 - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this >>>>>>>version (Source and compiled version in >>>>>>>http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>>>>version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>>>>version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>webpage, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Johan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sword-devel mailing list >>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 31 21:25:45 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:25:45 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes In-Reply-To: <000501c3e83a$e1bef040$22d008c7@bertles> References: <000501c3e83a$e1bef040$22d008c7@bertles> Message-ID: <401C1D59.2090501@crosswire.org> Dan, :) Yeah, great effort, but I still think you are trying too hard. Don't edit ANYTHING. Just unzip the Robinson.zip file (http://crosswire.org/sword/servlet/SwordMod.Verify?modName=Robinson&pkgType=raw) to the CF card. That's it. Nothing more. Glad you got the rest working! -Troy. Dan Bertles wrote: > Troy, > > I finally got the memory card to work. Thanks for the help. I didn't > know that I needed a mods.d on the storage card. I thought all the conf > files could reference the storage card. > > The only thing that I have left to get working are the morphs. I > downloaded the most recent versions of BDB and Robinson. The morph > window pops up, but is blank. Any ideas? > > [BDB] > DataPath=./bdb > ModDrv=RawLD > Feature=HebrewDef > Feature=HebrewParse > Lang=en > Encoding=UTF-8 > SourceType=ThML > > [Robinson] > DataPath=./robinson > ModDrv=RawLD > SourceType=ThML > Lang=en > Version=1.1 > Feature=GreekParse > > I tried putting "/hebrew" and "/greek" at the end of each datapath > statement respectively just like strongs, but it didn't make a > difference. > > Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:23 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes > > > I have all my books stored on SD mem, so my directories look something > like: > > \SD Card\mods.d\kjv.conf > \SD Card\modules\texts\ztext\kjv\... > > Hope this helps. Basically just unzip the raw module download packages > (maintaining their directory structure) to either the root of the memory > > card, or the \Program Files\sword\books\ > > Don't forget to restart the app as stated in last email. > > Hope this helps, > -Troy. > > > > Dan Bertles wrote: > >>Troy, >> >>Haven't been able to get storage card to work. Do I store modules in >>separate directories on the storage card or at the root. >> >>Do I create/copy kjv.conf to that directory or do I refer to the path >>in a mods.conf or a kjv.conf in the mods.d directory? >> >>Thanks for your help. >> >>Dan >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>Griffitts >>Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:02 AM >>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes >> >> >>Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes >>in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably > > >>should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works > > >>ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf >>file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas >>another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're > > both > >>in there now. >> >>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >> >> >> -Troy. >> >> >> >>Troy A. Griffitts wrote: >> >> >>>Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the >>>utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't >>>seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break >>>now. >>> >>> Blessings, >>> -Troy. >>> >>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>> >>>Troy A. Griffitts wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup >>>>menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc. >>>> >>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>> >>>>Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from >>>>the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from >>>>running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite: >>>> >>>>Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop >>>> >>>>Hope this helps; keep me posted, >>>> -Troy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Dan Bertles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Troy, >>>>> >>>>>It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is >>>>>invisible. >>>>> >>>>>Dan >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>>>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >>>>>Griffitts >>>>>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM >>>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some >>>>>debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that >> >>we >> >> >>>>>were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have >> >> >>>>>invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first >>>>>before sending it to strcmp. >>>>> >>>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>> >>>>>Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work >>>>>ok >>>>>now for me. >>>>> >>>>>I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a >>>>>look at >>>>> >>>>>our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things >>>>>resolved. I >>>>> >>>>>figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source >>>>>stylesheet, >>>>> >>>>>so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. >>>>>Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules. >>>>> >>>>>Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to > > >>>>>update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules. >>>>> >>>>> God's blessings, >>>>> -Troy A. Griffitts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Dan Bertles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Troy, >>>>>> >>>>>>Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying >>>>>>to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where >> >>it >> >> >>>>>>would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in >>>>>>italics. It reads the NASB module fine. >>>>>> >>>>>>Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and >>>>>>kjv) >>>>>> >>>>>>mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf) >>>>>> >>>>>>I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to > > >>>>>>work. >>>>>> >>>>>>The globals.conf file is empty? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>>Dan >>>>>> >>>>>>P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install >>>>>>fonts: >>>>>> >>>>>>Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font >>>>>>file >>>>> >>>>>>from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's >>>>> >>>>>>windows\fonts directory. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org >>>>>>[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. >> >>Griffitts >> >> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM >>>>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Dan, >>>>>> Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library >>>>>>defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have >> >> >>>>>>books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used >>>>>>to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the >>>>>>INSTALL.txt in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file >>>>>>contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>preserve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>directories. >>>>>> >>>>>> What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program >>>>>>Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the >>>>>>INSTALL.txt) >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>tried >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font > > >>>>>>issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to >>>>>>use >>>>>>other fonts on CE. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, >>>>>> -Troy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>D. Bertles wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Troy, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I can't get this version to find the modules. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My mods.conf contains: >>>>>>>[NASB] >>>>>>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ >>>>>>>... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[KJV] >>>>>>>DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ >>>>>>>... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>sword.conf contains: >>>>>>>[Install] >>>>>>>DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried >>>>>>>to >>>>>>>maintain the directory structure for the Windows version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Dan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for >>>>>>>supporting the latest SWORD engine on CE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Here's a build for testers: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip >>>>>>> >>>>>>>There are install instructions in the zip file. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>this, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>so >>>>>>>far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than >>>>>>>me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so >>>>>>>much! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Troy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Johan Gorter wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface >>>>>>>>for sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in >>>>>>>>browser, so >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>it can >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for >>>>>>>>everyone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>who >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>what an >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>IPAQ looks like) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have a question about the thml filters: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How >>>>>>>>can >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I get >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or >>>>>>>>move somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when >>>>>>>>available), >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>shown? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>I hope someone can help me out here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>is like this: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list >>>>>>>>version 0.6 - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this >>>>>>>>version (Source and compiled version in >>>>>>>>http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip) >>>>>>>>version 0.8 - The find page implemented >>>>>>>>version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>webpage, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>a normal installer, an about screen, etc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Greetings from the Netherlands, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Johan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sword-devel mailing list >>>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sword-devel mailing list >>>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sword-devel mailing list >>sword-devel@crosswire.org >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Jan 31 03:18:42 2004 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jae Stutzman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:18:42 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] NET Bible module info Message-ID: <1075519122.3899.95.camel@duallie> Michael, Introduction: I'm a SW eng that has been using GnomeSword for awhile and am familiar with your project, but you don't know me! I just found a message in the archives about the NET Bible. What is the current status as you know it? Is it being worked on as a module? I contacted BSF about it last week and got a favorable response, but I don't want to duplicate anything that has already been done. It sounds like they are interested in the idea of having it as a SWORD module. I posted a similar question on the forum...but little traffic there. Sincerely, Jae