[sword-devel] Repository of uncompiled modules? Errors in Vietnamese bible !

[Pham, Khoi]

I agree that there is no J in Vietnamese alphabet, however, we also do
not have convetion for foreign name.  I see some VN Bibles use Gie^-su
instead of Gie^-xu, and other use Ye^-su. But Gie^-su is the most
commonly used I found, although Gie^-xu is more phonetically correct.

Paul Pham

-----Original Message-----
From: Nguyen Ly [mailto:lyphtec@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 6:33 PM
To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
Subject: RE: [sword-devel] Repository of uncompiled modules? Errors in
Vietnamese bible !

The original printed text has it as Gie^-xu. The use of "Gi" instead of
"J" is also consistent with other names, eg Jeremy is "Gie^-re^-mi" not
"Je^-re^-mi". I tried searching for the letter "J" through the whole
Bible and it only appears with the words "Jesus".

However, like u said the use of "Je^sus" is used quite commonly to
interchange for "Gie^-xu" but to my opinion, if we want to be faithful
to the original text then "Gie^-xu" is more accurate. This may be also
more widely used in Vietnam since over there they are more familiar with
the original spelling. The use of the "J" is more for people with at
least a basic familiarity with English.

Any other Vietnamese developers want to comment on this?

Regards,

Nguyen Ly

-----Original Message-----
From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org
[mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little
Sent: Sunday, 4 May 2003 12:43 AM
To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
Subject: RE: [sword-devel] Repository of uncompiled modules? Errors in
Vietnamese bible !


On Sat, 3 May 2003, Nguyen Ly wrote:

> I manage to find a mod2osis utility from the bibletechnologies.net
> (OSIS) website. Though the link on the main page is broken .. Try this

> page instead:  http://www.bibletechnologieswg.org/osis/tools/

You should use mod2vpl to turn the module into a plaintext file.  We
don't 
have tools to turn an OSIS document into a Bible module yet, but we can 
use the output of mod2vpl as input to vpl2mod.  (You can find mod2vpl & 
vpl2mod in ftp://ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/utils/win32/ .)

> Is there currently a repository of submitted uncompiled modules 
> accessible from somewhere?

Not currently, though I would like there to be one eventually, at least 
for our developers' private use.  As you figured out, the best way to
get 
the text is by exporting from the module, but you can also find the 
Vietnamese text at http://www.unboundbible.com/zips/index.cfm .  Their 
UTF-8 text is what ours is based on, so you might have an easier time 
working with their non-UTF-8 text if they made encoding errors.
 
> I've been using the Vietnamese bible and found some minor errors in 
> the text. For eg, some characters don't display properly - (John 1:19)

> -- this is due to a conversion problem from the original text file 
> being converted from VNI to unicode format. Another issue is with the 
> spelling of the word "Jesus" in Viet. In some places it's spelt Je^sus

> and in others it's Gie^-xu. Technically, the later is more correct 
> since there's no "J" in the Viet alphabet. This may make searches 
> inaccurate.

Do you have a print version of the same Bible?  If you do, and it 
consistently uses Gie^-xu instead of Je^sus, then this change is 
appropriate.  But from the source files, it appears that Je^sus is far 
more common than Gie^-xu since Je^sus has 1168 occurrences and Gie^-xu
has 
only 3.  Google also shows a preference for Je^sus (2280 occurrences)
over 
Gie^-xu (910 occurrences).  So the spelling change is does not appear to

me to be appropriate.

--Chris


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