[sword-devel] reversed BHS

[Dave Washburn]

Apparently my follow-up question on this subject got lost in the shuffle.  
Someone, Chris I think it was, said that there was a bi-di filter in the 
Sword engine that I could activate for the BHS module, but I have no idea how 
to do this.  Could someone enlighten me?
Thanks!

On Monday 07 April 2003 16:56, David Burry wrote:
> The only stupid question is the one that's not asked ;o)
>
> Another thing I forgot to mention, the BiDi conversion would be locked
> to a given margin width if it were done in the file in disk (as well as
> require fixed-width fonts to simulate right-justify), that's why it must
> be done in a filter, to allow for varying margin widths in different end
> user applications.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org
> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Dave Washburn
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:59 PM
> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] reversed BHS
>
>
> Makes sense.  Thanks to you and Christian for explaining, and to all for
>
> tolerating my ignorance.
>
> Now, can somebody tell me about that filter Chris mentioned...
>
> On Monday 07 April 2003 16:31, David Burry wrote:
> > I agree with this.  According to the Unicode standard the "original
> > direction" of the bytes in a given text is supposed to be from
> > beginning to end, regardless of the way it's presented to the end
> > user.  To display such a text ideally BiDi should be handled properly
> > by the rendering engine, and for rendering engines that cannot handle
> > it (yet) a BiDi converter filter should be applied (giving it the
> > current margin width, etc)....  Changing the order of the characters
> > in the module to be backwards within each line but still have the
> > lines in forward order is not the right way to do it, since it
> > wouldn't even be Unicode any longer.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org
> > [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Christian Renz
> > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
> > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] reversed BHS
> >
> > >I'm not sure how creating a text that is written in its original
> > >direction violates the standard, but I don't know much about Unicode
> > >either so
> >
> > that
> >
> > >doesn't say much.
> >
> > I'm not a Unicode wise-guy, but here's my take on this: There is no
> > "left" or "right" in a file. There is just a first character, then a
> > second one, etc. until the last one.
> >
> > Displaying left-to-right or right-to-left is purely a presentation
> > issue. If you put a Unicode-encoded Hebrew text in a file, it is from
> > beginning to end -- just like English or Chinese texts. The renderer
> > then takes care (using the BiDi-functions) that the display is
> > correct.
> >
> > What you would be suggesting is to probably break up the text into the
> >
> > lines and store them "in its original direction". Chris is rightly
> > reacting somewhat allergic to that, since it is going to bring about
> > lots of problems. It is probably easier to just fix the software.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >    Christian

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Dave Washburn
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