From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 04:20:52 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:20:52 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.3 is out In-Reply-To: <200203312152.g2VLqwI31961@www.crosswire.org> References: <200203311848.g2VImOI30429@www.crosswire.org> <200203311909.g2VJ9KI30654@www.crosswire.org> <200203312152.g2VLqwI31961@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <200204010427.g314RrI01057@www.crosswire.org> On Sunday 31 March 2002 04:48 pm, you wrote: <>< Expect beta2 monday. The final 1.1 may take some more time because I have to <>< do my military service from Monday on. Martin took over some more <>< responibility of BibleTime. This is great! Ok, well I'm using beta2 from cvs anyway (I can't compile beta1 because my distro is poo) <>< Sorry that I can't give an exact release date of 1.1, but we hope it's soon <>< since almost all known bugs are fixed. Oh, understood completely. I'd love to help but I'm mostly a shell scripter and php/web guy and even then I've not done very many advanced prompts. BTW is there a bibletime mailinglist this should be going to? <>< See http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=954 for information how to checkout <>< anonymous. Use "cvs co bibletime-doc" to get the bibletime-doc module. I thought I'd tried that one. I'll try again tonight. <>< See <>< http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/bibletime/bibletim e-doc/docs/en/handbook/html/hdbk-config-bt.html#hdbk-config-bt-fonts <>< for some more info on this. It's the handbook of 1.1beta2 :) <>< Let me know if it works, Already went there, that's how I discovered the problem but I'll read more indepth and try some stuff and email in some results. -- David's Mailing-list and spam reciever. Keeping me (mostly) spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 10:06:29 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 02:06:29 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Crosswire site Message-ID: <000401c1d964$e49bb050$0f01a8c0@didymus> http://www.crosswire.org/index.jsp has a new Feature of the Month. This is not a test. This is not a drill. This is not an April Fool's joke. Martin: You can quit complaining now, at least for one month. :) --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 05:40:20 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:40:20 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Look Up! (Mac OS X) Message-ID: --Boundary_(ID_z7IyGavOVJFPZ5XeP/3W2Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The very early stages of a Mac OS X client for Sword can be found on my iDisk. There is a disk image with the binaries as well as a screen shot. Lookup Alpha 1 http://homepage.mac.com/nathany/ Password is devonly Please do not distribute these files or password beyond the sword list. Thanks. Basically it allows lookups by book/chapter/verse in the KJV Bible (included). The chapter and verse fields are limited based on the book selected and properly ignore non-numeric input. I spent most of my time on that, so the text displayed is just a single verse in raw format. Most menu options don't really work, just ignore all that stuff for now :-). - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: sword at nathany.com Web: http://nathany.com --Boundary_(ID_z7IyGavOVJFPZ5XeP/3W2Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Look Up! (Mac OS X)

The very early stages of a Mac OS X client for Sword can be found on my iDisk. There is a disk image with the binaries as well as a screen shot.

Lookup Alpha 1
http://homepage.mac.com/nathany/
Password is devonly
Please do not distribute these files or password beyond the sword list. Thanks.

Basically it allows lookups by book/chapter/verse in the KJV Bible (included). The chapter and verse fields are limited based on the book selected and properly ignore non-numeric input. I spent most of my time on that, so the text displayed is just a single verse in raw format.

Most menu options don't really work, just ignore all that stuff for now :-).

- n8

--
Nathan Youngman
E-mail: sword at nathany.com
Web: http://nathany.com
--Boundary_(ID_z7IyGavOVJFPZ5XeP/3W2Q)-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 09:05:24 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Brook Humphrey) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:05:24 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword what language? Message-ID: <200204011600.g31G0UI04382@www.crosswire.org> Forgive my ignorance but what language is sword done in c or c++. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 16:08:12 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:08:12 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword what language? In-Reply-To: <200204011600.g31G0UI04382@www.crosswire.org> References: <200204011600.g31G0UI04382@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <200204011614.g31GEOI04453@www.crosswire.org> Am Montag, 1. April 2002 11:05 schrieben Sie: > Forgive my ignorance but what language is sword done in c or c++. The latter. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 16:13:09 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Sven Vollbehr) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:13:09 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword what language? References: <200204011600.g31G0UI04382@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <3CA88715.6040505@iki.fi> Brook Humphrey wrote: > Forgive my ignorance but what language is sword done in c or c++. It's written in C++. -- Sven Vollbehr. I don't know what this block of code does. It seems to serve no purpose, but if I remove it, the program stops working. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 18:22:19 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:22:19 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Look Up! (Mac OS X) References: Message-ID: <3CA8A55B.A257B97@crosswire.org> Whooohoooo. Our first peek into the worlds of Aqua! Nice work. Nathan Youngman wrote: > > The very early stages of a Mac OS X client for Sword can be found on > my iDisk. There is a disk image with the binaries as well as a screen > shot. > > Lookup Alpha 1 > http://homepage.mac.com/nathany/ > Password is devonly > Please do not distribute these files or password beyond the sword > list. Thanks. > > Basically it allows lookups by book/chapter/verse in the KJV Bible > (included). The chapter and verse fields are limited based on the book > selected and properly ignore non-numeric input. I spent most of my > time on that, so the text displayed is just a single verse in raw > format. > > Most menu options don't really work, just ignore all that stuff for > now :-). > > - n8 > > -- > > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: sword at nathany.com > Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 19:08:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:08:26 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted In-Reply-To: <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> Message-ID: >Here's how you'd do it with the books member: > >VerseKey key = "jn1:1"; > >key.books[key.Testament()-1][key.Book()-1].name; I'm using this method to get the number of chapters and verses for limiting entries in my interface. Would be nice to have methods for those. It also worries me a bit - because this method has no reference to a particular module. Assuming this information is always the same, I suppose it isn't a big deal. - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 20:21:37 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 13:21:37 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> Nathan, Alternative to using books to get chapmax, versemax might be: VerseKey *key = (VerseKey *)kjvmod.CreateKey(); (*key) = TOP; while (!key->Error()) { cout << "Book: " << key->getBookName() << endl; (*key) = MAXCHAPTER; int chaps = key->Chapters(); cout << "Total Chapters: " << chaps; for (int i = 1; i <= chaps; i++) { key->Chapter(i); (*key) = MAXVERSE; cout << "\tChapter " << i << "has " << key->Verse() << " total verses." << endl; } key->Book(key->Book()+1); } delete key; All VerseKey modules have same data currently, but this might change soon, so the kjvmod.CreateKey() to get a module specific key should give you the correct data for the module even in the future. Nathan wrote: > > >Here's how you'd do it with the books member: > > > >VerseKey key = "jn1:1"; > > > >key.books[key.Testament()-1][key.Book()-1].name; > > I'm using this method to get the number of chapters and verses for > limiting entries in my interface. Would be nice to have methods for > those. > > It also worries me a bit - because this method has no reference to a > particular module. Assuming this information is always the same, I > suppose it isn't a big deal. > > - n8 > > -- > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: nathany at mac.com > Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 20:50:11 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:50:11 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted In-Reply-To: <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Oh. Hm. That looks like a lot of code. I currently go like this: -) VerseKey key = [bookName cString]; maxChapters = key.books[key.Testament()-1][key.Book()-1].chapmax; So I should use CreateKey: VerseKey *key = (VerseKey *)kjvmod.CreateKey(); then some SetKey() function to set the book. then my maxChapters code then delete the key. Or, I suppose I could set the key to MAXCHAPTER and then get what it is with Chapters() like you do. (Except I'm only grabbing info on one at a time). But it would be kind of nice to have a MaxChapters() method in the API, don't you think :-). Now - if I understand correctly - the module doesn't control the locale used by getBookName() - but I can specify the the locale in the key I create, and I can retrieve the locale used by the module - depending if the user wants the interface text to match the module in use, or use their system-wide preferences. Naturally I encapsulated the code I need in a SwordBible Objective-C class - so it's pretty easy to change things like how maximum chapter counts are retrieved. - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 21:10:00 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 14:10:00 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <3CA8CCA8.BCA7AB6@crosswire.org> > Oh. Hm. That looks like a lot of code. I currently go like this: -) > > VerseKey key = [bookName cString]; > maxChapters = key.books[key.Testament()-1][key.Book()-1].chapmax; > > So I should use CreateKey: > VerseKey *key = (VerseKey *)kjvmod.CreateKey(); > then some SetKey() function to set the book. > then my maxChapters code > then delete the key. > > Or, I suppose I could set the key to MAXCHAPTER and then get what it > is with Chapters() like you do. (Except I'm only grabbing info on one > at a time). > > But it would be kind of nice to have a MaxChapters() method in the > API, don't you think :-). Ok, point taken :) look for it in CVS soon. > Now - if I understand correctly - the module doesn't control the > locale used by getBookName() - but I can specify the the locale in > the key I create, and I can retrieve the locale used by the module - > depending if the user wants the interface text to match the module in > use, or use their system-wide preferences. Yeah, the logic for this was that I probably don't want Hebrew book names in BHS or Greek book names in TR. Some users might, but my hunch is that the majority of them will not. Locales are mostly used appWide with something like: LocalMgr::systemLocalMgr.setDefaultLocaleName("de"); after a call like this, all new objects will obtain a 'de' locale. (this is usually done at the very beginning of an app to set to a user preferred locale). > Naturally I encapsulated the code I need in a SwordBible Objective-C > class - so it's pretty easy to change things like how maximum chapter > counts are retrieved. > > - n8 > > -- > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: nathany at mac.com > Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 21:53:42 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:53:42 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted (OT) In-Reply-To: <3CA8CCA8.BCA7AB6@crosswire.org> References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> <3CA8CCA8.BCA7AB6@crosswire.org> Message-ID: What format would MaxChapters() be in? module.MaxChapters(some params); But would it take a VerseKey still, or use a bookname/number? Assumably the locale won't affect the values returned. If it is just versekey.MaxChapters() then it only saves the *key = MAXCHAPTER bit. Seems that VerseKey key; should be deprecated in favour of module.CreateKey. But then a SetKey is also necessary. module.CreateVerseKey or VerseKey key(module) might be handy. Anyway, the amount of code isn't too big of a deal - I'm sure there isn't much overhead in *key = MAXCHAPTER :-). - n8 >Ok, point taken :) look for it in CVS soon. > > >Yeah, the logic for this was that I probably don't want Hebrew book >names in BHS or Greek book names in TR. Some users might, but my hunch >is that the majority of them will not. Locales are mostly used appWide >with something like: >LocalMgr::systemLocalMgr.setDefaultLocaleName("de"); > >after a call like this, all new objects will obtain a 'de' locale. (this >is usually done at the very beginning of an app to set to a user >preferred locale). > -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 22:02:52 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:02:52 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted In-Reply-To: <3CA8CCA8.BCA7AB6@crosswire.org> References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> <3CA8CCA8.BCA7AB6@crosswire.org> Message-ID: By the way, I work for a company that does library automation. I'm just a web guy but there are people here that know a lot about searching stuff. There was a GPLed search engine that was evaluated here in the past that was quite fast and powerful. I don't recall the name, but hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to talk to the person that does. It was in Java - so it may be more useful for JSword. For me it doesn't matter too much - I'm using Objective-C++ to write wrappers for the C++ code in Sword, but I could just as easily (I hope:) use the Java Bridge to access the JSword API. As you may know, every copy of Mac OS X comes with J2SE installed. Anyway, I'll try to find out what searching code is out there that could be used. That doesn't necessarily mean I will implement it - not really my area. - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 22:17:37 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:17:37 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] sword license questions Message-ID: My Look up app for OS X certainly isn't ready for public consumption. Part of that is getting the right license information and stuff bundled with the program. If I understand correctly, GPL allows me to do what I want with the client I'm writing - I can Copyright it to myself, keep my source to myself, and even commercialize it. But if I modify the API, I need to submit those changes back. Or am I thinking LGPL or something? I'd like to get this cleared up, not that I necessarily intend to commercialize my client or anything :-). The only value I can see in a commercial client would be if it came with some of the locked texts, and the sale could pay the licenses so that could happen. Reselling the actual texts makes sense to me, but I'm not sure how well that would go over. Btw, if anyone would like the Lookup source code, I have a small .sit file with the Project Builder project and such, but it requires libsword.a and the include/ folder from Sword API 1.5.3. At this time I'm not really interested in splitting up coding of the client itself (and the management that comes with that), but code reviews and bug/patch submissions are certainly welcome. Also, is there a list of people working on this project somewhere? Translations, graphics and all that stuff will be necessary at some point. - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 22:23:23 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:23:23 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] the red letters Message-ID: The next thing I want to look at is formatting the text for each chapter. I looked through the KJV module and didn't find anything to indicate "the red letters." Anything being done on this? It doesn't seem like there is too much formatting, except superscript verse numbers - that shouldn't be too difficult. - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 22:49:41 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:49:41 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] sword license questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020401153721.00a16bb0@mail.dancris.com> At 03:17 PM 4/1/2002 -0700, Nathan wrote: >... >If I understand correctly, GPL allows me to do what I want with the client >I'm writing - I can Copyright it to myself, keep my source to myself, and >even commercialize it. But if I modify the API, I need to submit those >changes back. Or am I thinking LGPL or something? I'd like to get this >cleared up, not that I necessarily intend to commercialize my client or >anything :-) >... As I understand it: One thing you can not do, is use GPL works to make proprietary versions or proprietary derivative works. One thing you must do is provide or make available the source code. These would apply even if you used only a portion of the GPL code, modified or unmodified. But, you can charge as much as you want for GPL works produced by you or anyone. Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 23:11:41 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:11:41 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] the red letters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c1d9d2$95532be0$0700000a@DIASPORA> > The next thing I want to look at is formatting the text for each > chapter. I looked through the KJV module and didn't find anything to > indicate "the red letters." Anything being done on this? > > It doesn't seem like there is too much formatting, except superscript > verse numbers - that shouldn't be too difficult. Try the ISV that is in the beta area for our (I believe) most richly marked text. I don't recall whether the current KJV has words of Jesus in red or not, but Troy is working on a new public domain version of the KJV with Strong's numbers, morphology, and such, and we will be sure to get words of Jesus marked. If there is an HTML widget that you can use for display, you will be happiest in the long run. Images will be making their way into modules soon, along with other markup that we probably won't feel like filtering into RTF or PS or such. Then you can just use the HTMLHREF filters to get nice HTML output from Sword. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 23:22:53 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:22:53 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] sword license questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c1d9d4$2637cd90$0700000a@DIASPORA> > My Look up app for OS X certainly isn't ready for public consumption. > Part of that is getting the right license information and stuff > bundled with the program. > > If I understand correctly, GPL allows me to do what I want with the > client I'm writing - I can Copyright it to myself, keep my source to > myself, and even commercialize it. But if I modify the API, I need to > submit those changes back. Or am I thinking LGPL or something? I'd > like to get this cleared up, not that I necessarily intend to > commercialize my client or anything :-). You're thinking of LGPL. Since Sword is GPL, works that use it must also be GPL-compatible. See a list of acceptable licenses here: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses. You own the copyright to any creative work you have produced, according to the laws of most countries. If you distribute a program that links to the Sword library, you must also make the source code available, according to the GPL. You may sell your work, but you must still make the source code available for free. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 23:27:05 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:27:05 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] sword license questions In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020401153721.00a16bb0@mail.dancris.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20020401153721.00a16bb0@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: Ahh... okay. I was thinking of LGPL (Lesser GPL), which from looking at the Sword license page, it clearly is not. So basically I have to GPL my client if I use the Sword API. I don't really have a problem with releasing my source code, I just need to get the right license information with the program. http://www.crosswire.org/sword/about/license.jsp Now the Copyright statement could be to Crosswire, or it could be to me for the client and Crosswire for the Sword API. Or it could be copyleft I suppose... :) Its good that selling the client (with licensed materials) is still possible. Though by GPLing my client, aren't I also saying that anyone else can sell the client as well? Hm. GPL is a big long license, I haven't actually taken the time to read the whole thing, I prefer something simple like the zlib license. But I guess I should look over it sometime. >At 03:17 PM 4/1/2002 -0700, Nathan wrote: >As I understand it: One thing you can not do, is use GPL works to >make proprietary versions or proprietary derivative works. One thing >you must do is provide or make available the source code. These >would apply even if you used only a portion of the GPL code, >modified or unmodified. But, you can charge as much as you want for >GPL works produced by you or anyone. > >Jerry -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 23:32:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:32:27 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] the red letters In-Reply-To: <000301c1d9d2$95532be0$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <000301c1d9d2$95532be0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: Thanks Chris, I will take a look at ISV. I think I have both RTF and HTML options open to me, but I'm still learning Cocoa so I'm not entirely sure. I could parse the HTML myself if necessary though. Images would be nice, but kind of throw my design a bit. I think they belong in a separate window from the main text stream... so then it would be necessary to parse the HTML anyway, as opposed to just dumping it all in a window. - n8 > > The next thing I want to look at is formatting the text for each >> chapter. I looked through the KJV module and didn't find anything to >> indicate "the red letters." Anything being done on this? >> >> It doesn't seem like there is too much formatting, except superscript >> verse numbers - that shouldn't be too difficult. > >Try the ISV that is in the beta area for our (I believe) most richly >marked text. I don't recall whether the current KJV has words of Jesus >in red or not, but Troy is working on a new public domain version of the >KJV with Strong's numbers, morphology, and such, and we will be sure to >get words of Jesus marked. > >If there is an HTML widget that you can use for display, you will be >happiest in the long run. Images will be making their way into modules >soon, along with other markup that we probably won't feel like filtering >into RTF or PS or such. Then you can just use the HTMLHREF filters to >get nice HTML output from Sword. > >--Chris -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 23:52:06 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:52:06 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] sword license questions In-Reply-To: <000401c1d9d4$2637cd90$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <000401c1d9d4$2637cd90$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: Okay... but my client itself doesn't have to be GPLed? I have to make the source available under one of the compatible licenses. And I don't need to write "GPL" all over my software, right? If the source is available under GPL, do the binaries have to state that? Just curious about this stuff. While I could probably take the modules and knowledge of how Sword works (slowly gaining) and write something from scratch with whatever license I like, I'm not planning to do that. I would certainly like the help of the community to localize the application and of course improve the Sword API (such as searching performance). - n8 >Since Sword is GPL, works that use it must also be GPL-compatible. See >a list of acceptable licenses here: >http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses. > >You own the copyright to any creative work you have produced, according >to the laws of most countries. > >If you distribute a program that links to the Sword library, you must >also make the source code available, according to the GPL. > >You may sell your work, but you must still make the source code >available for free. > >--Chris -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 01:44:21 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:44:21 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] CVS question Message-ID: I noticed that files contain something like this: $Id: versekey.h,v 1.24 2002/03/22 05:26:34 scribe Exp $ I assume CVS updates this text, so should I put something in my files so this will happen if/when they get put into CVS. $Id: Exp $ ? - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 03:22:56 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (James Stauffer) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:22:56 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] CVS question References: Message-ID: <3CA92410.20007@baldwin-telecom.net> $Id$ http://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs_12.html#SEC99 Nathan wrote: > > I noticed that files contain something like this: > > $Id: versekey.h,v 1.24 2002/03/22 05:26:34 scribe Exp $ > > I assume CVS updates this text, so should I put something in my files so > this will happen if/when they get put into CVS. > > $Id: Exp $ > ? > > - n8 > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 03:24:05 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Bobby Nations) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:24:05 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] CVS question References: Message-ID: <3CA92455.4030302@bobbynations.com> Nathan, Yep, you've assumed correctly, that's a CVS keyword. All you need to put in your code is the "$Id$" and CVS will expand out the rest, or you can copy and paste one from anywhere into your code. CVS will replace the relevant portions the next time that you check you code into the repository.. If you're curious, the text that gets put there is the file name, it's revision number, the date/time of the last change to the file, the culprit's (:-) login name and the tag associated with the file. There's lots of info available on CVS at http://www.cvshome.org/docs. The book written by Karl Fogel is just about the best around to get you up and running on it. Many folks assign the keyword to a string variable that can be parsed later on for useful information like so. // // Beware ... Java code follows :-) // public class VersionedClass { public String version="$Id$"; ... } This is particularly useful if you're debugging a product that has gone out the door (i.e. your exchanging emails with poor hapless user) and you need to verify which version of a particular class is in the binary. If you've built in a mechanism for printing out the 'version' variable, then , voila the mystery will be solved. I use this at work for distributed components such as CORBA, EJB's, servlets and cgi programs when I need to debug an installed application that might have been there for some time. BTW, I'm jealous of you being able to work in Mac OS X. Can't wait until I get the money scraped together to get am iMac for myself. What a sweet, sweet little machine, and decently priced for an Apple product. Cheers, Bobby Nathan wrote: > > I noticed that files contain something like this: > > $Id: versekey.h,v 1.24 2002/03/22 05:26:34 scribe Exp $ > > I assume CVS updates this text, so should I put something in my files > so this will happen if/when they get put into CVS. > > $Id: Exp $ > ? > > - n8 > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 12:22:36 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Trevor Jenkins) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:22:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Nathan wrote: > Anyway, I'll try to find out what searching code is out there that > could be used. That doesn't necessarily mean I will implement it - > not really my area. I did a similar search recently. The best I could find was ht://dig (http://www.htdig.org/) where there is an API set providing most of the things I would want. The largest omission as far as I'm concerned is collocation (i.e. word adjacency, within paragraph). It is limited to within "record", which in its primary usage is a web page. A beta of their v3.2 has phrase searching with proximity searching being "added in a future beta". A quick Google search found me Search Tools (http://www.searchtools.com/tools/). It isn't clear which of these are Open Source and which are proprietary. I know that the list is incomplete, for example the proprietary system I use (and which I helped to develop) is not listed. Also there's a further API library (from a french or French/Canadaian University) that isn't listed. [It's possible that I've confused this APIU witht he ht://dig one.] Regards, Trevor British Sign Language is not inarticulate handwaving; it's a living language. Support the campaign for formal recognition by the British government now! Details at http://www.fdp.org.uk/ or http://www.bsl-march.co.uk/ -- <>< Re: deemed! From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 15:19:37 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:19:37 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] bug Message-ID: <200204021525.g32FPoI13131@www.crosswire.org> When I try to open the encrypted (and not unlocked) GERRELB 1.1 module, BibleTime crashes. gdb tells me that this happens in Latin1UTF8::ProcessText(), called from within RawText::getRawEntry(). The filters could need a bit more robustness. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 16:23:51 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Brian Albert) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:23:51 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] BC++Builder Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020402081823.00a01a30@eml.doe.gov> Can someone please give me instructions on how to compile the source code with BC++ Builder 5 after doing an ftp download? I recently upgraded to Builder from Borland C++ 4.5. I'd like to be able to compile the utilities (addvs, vpl2mod, etc) as well. Thanks. Brian Albert Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 16:56:15 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:56:15 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] BC++Builder References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020402081823.00a01a30@eml.doe.gov> Message-ID: <3CA9E2AF.FF8A3566@crosswire.org> Brian, There are .bpg files in the tree that should enable you to compile things. Offhand, I know that there should be a sword/utilities/bcppmake/utilities.bpg There should also be a swordprj.bpg in the sword/apps/windoze/CBuilder5/BibleCS directory, but you may need to install RxLib to compile. Not sure about this-- you want to try without it first. Hope this helps. Looking forward to your contributions! -Troy. Brian Albert wrote: > > Can someone please give me instructions on how to compile the source code > with BC++ Builder 5 after doing an ftp download? I recently upgraded to > Builder from Borland C++ 4.5. I'd like to be able to compile the utilities > (addvs, vpl2mod, etc) as well. > > Thanks. > > Brian Albert > Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 21:07:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:07:34 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On the Java side, the Lucene search engine may be worth looking into: http://jakarta.apache.org/lucene/docs/index.html (also listed on that searchtools.com page) Btw, what is the state of JSword? -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 21:49:40 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:49:40 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] JSword Message-ID: <3CAA2774.3247F653@crosswire.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6CA5A7C60194825B3F92F41A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message bounced. Please send from a subscribed address next time. JSword... OK. Let's start talking about this stuff. There are a number of people that have mentioned that they would like to help out, and I would, at least, like to throw out my thoughts and help facilitate, if not actually help out in the development. Look on the wiki pages (shortly) for more of my thoughts concerning JSword. http://sword.sf.net/wiki --------------6CA5A7C60194825B3F92F41A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: (from mail@localhost) by www.crosswire.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g31FS9H04229; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:28:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:28:09 -0700 From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org Message-Id: <200204011528.g31FS9H04229@www.crosswire.org> X-Authentication-Warning: www.crosswire.org: mail set sender to owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org using -f To: sword-devel-approval@crosswire.org Subject: BOUNCE sword-devel@crosswire.org: Non-member submission from [Keith Ralston ] >From scribe@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 08:28:08 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by www.crosswire.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g31FS8I04226 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:28:08 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([12.237.99.59]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020401152116.QDFL1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.1.102]> for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:21:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [sword-devel] JAVA: Parser .conf files? From: Keith Ralston To: sword-devel@crosswire.org In-Reply-To: <3CA6409F.C3B1BC3B@crosswire.org> References: <3CA6409F.C3B1BC3B@crosswire.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Apr 2002 09:22:19 -0600 Message-Id: <1017674540.1534.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Speaking of JSword, now that 1.5.3 is out are we ready to discuss the Java project? On Sat, 2002-03-30 at 16:47, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > >> SWConfig is a utility to read/write an INI style file. e.g. > > > > Is there a utility like this for Java? That I can use for the JSP to > > edit .conf files? > > Jonathan, > No, currently the JSword port of SWConfig is read only. There may be a > writable one very soon (Mike Dougherty, did your latest version include > read/write and from multiple sections?) > ---- > > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > To: sword-devel-approval@crosswire.org > Subject: BOUNCE sword-devel@crosswire.org: Non-member submission from [Jonathan Hughes ] > Date: 30 Mar 2002 15:24:27 -0700 > > >From scribe@crosswire.org Sat Mar 30 15:24:27 2002 > Received: from pimout6-int.prodigy.net (pimout6-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.99]) > by www.crosswire.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2UMOQI21752 > for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:24:27 -0700 > Received: from [192.168.1.100] (adsl-63-201-25-99.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net [63.201.25.99]) > by pimout6-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2UMHeh209488 > for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:17:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Parser .conf files? > From: Jonathan Hughes > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > In-Reply-To: <3CA6355A.7F774B1F@crosswire.org> > References: <1017513659.2692.17.camel@laptop.localhost> > <3CA6355A.7F774B1F@crosswire.org> > Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; > boundary="=-BNHNmBaLYyQtuj8o2g79" > X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk > Date: 30 Mar 2002 14:15:38 -0500 > Message-Id: <1017515744.2692.20.camel@laptop.localhost> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > --=-BNHNmBaLYyQtuj8o2g79 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Troy, > > > SWConfig is a utility to read/write an INI style file. e.g. > > Is there a utility like this for Java? That I can use for the JSP to > edit .conf files? > > In Christ, > Jonathan > jhughes@crosswire.org > > > --=-BNHNmBaLYyQtuj8o2g79 > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc > Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQA8pg7afTBeSn3ZBjQRAlGwAJkBFTxB9+4vPjd+ok/F4N58uQkhhwCglpnt > hyKXTHcvZ+YmtHtIvwUgXNo= > =5VD/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --=-BNHNmBaLYyQtuj8o2g79-- --------------6CA5A7C60194825B3F92F41A-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 22:13:35 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Bobby Nations) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:13:35 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted References: Message-ID: <3CAA2D0F.8060704@bobbynations.com> Nathan, My two cents. JSword is in very, very early stages (pre-alpha) at the moment. There is a separate CVS module dedicated to JSword, but the code is still unusable. Troy began porting the C++ code some time back, and a few folks picked up the ball on it but it hasn't been advanced very far. We were making some progress on it until the servers got hacked and then everyone got busy getting 1.5.3 out the door. I know, I know, excuses, excuses :-| There are discussions ongoing as to the road ahead at the following two places: http://sword.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Jsword/WebHome http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=160106 Take a look at the two URL's above to see if they help you any. Cheers, Bobby Nathan wrote: > > On the Java side, the Lucene search engine may be worth looking into: > http://jakarta.apache.org/lucene/docs/index.html > (also listed on that searchtools.com page) > > Btw, what is the state of JSword? > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 22:33:46 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joe Walker) Date: 02 Apr 2002 23:33:46 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] JSword In-Reply-To: <3CAA2774.3247F653@crosswire.org> References: <3CAA2774.3247F653@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <1017786826.5343.9.camel@tameion.eireneh.com> How about we create a new list for JSword? I think wiki might be a good idea for collaborating on documentation but as we discovered in a previous attempt it is very confusing for discussion. Joe. Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Message bounced. Please send from a subscribed address next time. > > > JSword... OK. Let's start talking about this stuff. There are a > number of people that have mentioned that they would like to help out, > and I would, at least, like to throw out my thoughts and help > facilitate, if not actually help out in the development. > > Look on the wiki pages (shortly) for more of my thoughts concerning > JSword. > > http://sword.sf.net/wiki > ---- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 23:26:00 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:26:00 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] JSword References: <3CAA2774.3247F653@crosswire.org> <1017786826.5343.9.camel@tameion.eireneh.com> Message-ID: <3CAA3E08.40C31F05@crosswire.org> Joe Walker wrote: > > How about we create a new list for JSword? > > I think wiki might be a good idea for collaborating on documentation but > as we discovered in a previous attempt it is very confusing for > discussion. Great idea, Joe. Just got it online. To subscribe, send email to: majordomo@crosswire.org with the body of the message containing: subscribe jsword-devel > > Joe. > > Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > > Message bounced. Please send from a subscribed address next time. > > > > > > JSword... OK. Let's start talking about this stuff. There are a > > number of people that have mentioned that they would like to help out, > > and I would, at least, like to throw out my thoughts and help > > facilitate, if not actually help out in the development. > > > > Look on the wiki pages (shortly) for more of my thoughts concerning > > JSword. > > > > http://sword.sf.net/wiki > > ---- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 3 00:21:41 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:21:41 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Lookup Alpha 1 source code (Mac OS X) Message-ID: Source code for Lookup is now on my iDisk. http://homepage.mac.com/nathany/ Password: devonly There hasn't been a whole lot of change to the application. I rearranged some code and added commenting for use by Autodoc (Doxygen doesn't support Objective-C). - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 4 04:34:53 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:34:53 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Example genbooks Message-ID: <001501c1db92$108c1a90$0700000a@DIASPORA> I put 4 genbook examples in the beta area. You can access them by FTP, but they won't show up in InstallMgr yet (soon...). The 4 books are: enumaelish josephus imitation npnf101 The first 2 were created manually, the second 2 were created automatically by thml2gbs. None of them are necessarily in a final state, so let me know if there are huge bugs or unexpected behavior. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 4 23:05:00 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jason Reynolds) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:05:00 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] per Jonathan Hughes suggestion Message-ID: <7760400A7C0A43449997136293F11136055A11@isaiah.insight.org> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Dev list, Jonathan encouraged me to send this to the whole dev list in hopes some of you would kindly respond with comments. I am all ears! 1) I am building community websites for churches. I do it in my spare time for free. I am not a web programmer, but I am technical enough to be able to do Sys admin/ installation type work. We are using the Open-Source software: HTTP://Postnuke.com My first question is....is there a PHP front-end to the sword project? Do you know anyone that would be willing to build one? Is there maybe some other PHP option for interfacing with the diatheke/CLI command line interface. Secondly, how is the sword project software installed for web applications that don't use CGI? For instance, how have people accessed it when running M$ ASP? Does it work much like a flat file database in terms of the front end making calls to it, etc.? Where does all the data go within the web server directory...i.e. will any old host do? 2) This is more of a theory question than anything else. I hope to launch a site by end of the summer called OpenSourceChurch.com It will be a site for the promotion of "free" software and knowledge resources amongst the body of Christ. The focus will not just be within the dev community. My ultimate end goal is to gather together the world's Christian hackers to work on a select number of projects, including: a) A specialized Content Management System distribution (probably based on Postnuke), b) a church/donor management solution (probably based on http://www.compiere.org/ or http://www.gnuenterprise.org/), c) a ministry management solution (using the baseline of an open-source trouble ticket system), and d) some type of web-filtering software (much like "Websense"). All but the last will be web based. I also would like to promote open-source documents and knowledge. I wonder if some of you could share with me a bit of your vision for making various information forms available freely to the global church. Also, how do you think I should position the website and how might I attract the best programmers and project managers for this work? Many thanks in advance for all your comments. I am truly open for this to be whatever it is meant to be! Graciously yours, Jason Reynolds Telecommunications Manager-IT Insight for Living JasonR@Insight.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable per Jonathan Hughes suggestion

Dear Dev list,

Jonathan encouraged me to send this to the whole dev = list in hopes some of you would kindly respond with comments.  I = am all ears!

1)  I am building community websites for = churches.  I do it in my spare time for free.  I am not a web = programmer, but I am technical enough to be able to do Sys admin/ = installation type work.  We are using the Open-Source = software:  HTTP://Postnuke.com 

My first question is....is there a PHP front-end to = the sword project?  Do you know anyone that would be willing to = build one?  Is there maybe some other PHP option for interfacing = with the diatheke/CLI command line interface.  Secondly, how is = the sword project software installed for web applications that don't = use CGI?  For instance, how have people accessed it when running = M$ ASP?  Does it work much like a flat file database in terms of = the front end making calls to it, etc.?  Where does all the data = go within the web server directory...i.e. will any old host = do?

2)  This is more of a theory question than = anything else.  I hope to launch a site by end of the summer = called OpenSourceChurch.com  It will be a site for the promotion = of "free" software and knowledge resources amongst the body = of Christ.  The focus will not just be within the dev = community.  My ultimate end goal is to gather together the world's = Christian hackers to work on a select number of projects, including: =

a)  A specialized Content Management System = distribution (probably based on Postnuke),
b)  a church/donor management solution = (probably based on http://www.compiere.org/ or http://www.gnuenterprise.org/),
c)  a ministry management solution (using the = baseline of an open-source trouble ticket system), and
d)  some type of web-filtering software (much = like "Websense"). 
All but the last will be web based. 

I also would like to promote open-source documents = and knowledge.  I wonder if some of you could share with me a bit = of your vision for making various information forms available freely to = the global church.  Also, how do you think I should position the = website and how might I attract the best programmers and project = managers for this work?

Many thanks in advance for all your comments.  I = am truly open for this to be whatever it is meant to be!


Graciously yours,

Jason Reynolds

Telecommunications Manager-IT
Insight for Living

JasonR@Insight.org

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 5 13:38:39 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Greg Marine) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:38:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sword-devel] per Jonathan Hughes suggestion Message-ID: <20020405133840.217A92755@sitemail.everyone.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1018013919-18119-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason, I would be VERY willing to help you out in any way I am useful. Especially with a PHP front-end to sword (if there isn't one already) and online FREE Christian resources. If you're interested in my help, just send me an email. Also, if anyone knows of a PHP front-end already in the works, I would love to help if I'm needed :-) God Bless <>< Greg Marine Let your prayer requests be known http://www.iccnet.org/prayer/ Internet Community Church Ministries http://www.iccnet.org/ --- message from Jason Reynolds attached: _____________________________________________________________ "Jesus said...I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6 http://www.iccnet.org/prayer/ ------------=_1018013919-18119-0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from www.crosswire.org (crosswire.org [208.145.185.12]) by imta11.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231774AC1C for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by www.crosswire.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g34NBww12446 for sword-devel-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:11:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: www.crosswire.org: mail set sender to owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org using -f Received: from isaiah.insight.org (isaiah.insight.org [4.22.159.78]) by www.crosswire.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g34NBvI12443 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:11:57 -0700 Received: by isaiah.insight.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:05:00 -0600 Message-ID: <7760400A7C0A43449997136293F11136055A11@isaiah.insight.org> From: Jason Reynolds To: "'sword-devel@crosswire.org'" Subject: [sword-devel] per Jonathan Hughes suggestion Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:05:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760" Sender: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sword-devel@crosswire.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Dev list, Jonathan encouraged me to send this to the whole dev list in hopes some of you would kindly respond with comments. I am all ears! 1) I am building community websites for churches. I do it in my spare time for free. I am not a web programmer, but I am technical enough to be able to do Sys admin/ installation type work. We are using the Open-Source software: HTTP://Postnuke.com My first question is....is there a PHP front-end to the sword project? Do you know anyone that would be willing to build one? Is there maybe some other PHP option for interfacing with the diatheke/CLI command line interface. Secondly, how is the sword project software installed for web applications that don't use CGI? For instance, how have people accessed it when running M$ ASP? Does it work much like a flat file database in terms of the front end making calls to it, etc.? Where does all the data go within the web server directory...i.e. will any old host do? 2) This is more of a theory question than anything else. I hope to launch a site by end of the summer called OpenSourceChurch.com It will be a site for the promotion of "free" software and knowledge resources amongst the body of Christ. The focus will not just be within the dev community. My ultimate end goal is to gather together the world's Christian hackers to work on a select number of projects, including: a) A specialized Content Management System distribution (probably based on Postnuke), b) a church/donor management solution (probably based on http://www.compiere.org/ or http://www.gnuenterprise.org/), c) a ministry management solution (using the baseline of an open-source trouble ticket system), and d) some type of web-filtering software (much like "Websense"). All but the last will be web based. I also would like to promote open-source documents and knowledge. I wonder if some of you could share with me a bit of your vision for making various information forms available freely to the global church. Also, how do you think I should position the website and how might I attract the best programmers and project managers for this work? Many thanks in advance for all your comments. I am truly open for this to be whatever it is meant to be! Graciously yours, Jason Reynolds Telecommunications Manager-IT Insight for Living JasonR@Insight.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable per Jonathan Hughes suggestion

Dear Dev list,

Jonathan encouraged me to send this to the whole dev list= in hopes some of you would kindly respond with comments.  I am all ea= rs!

1)  I am building community websites for churches.&n= bsp; I do it in my spare time for free.  I am not a web programmer, bu= t I am technical enough to be able to do Sys admin/ installation type work.=   We are using the Open-Source software:  HTTP://Postnuke.com 

My first question is....is there a PHP front-end to the s= word project?  Do you know anyone that would be willing to build one?&= nbsp; Is there maybe some other PHP option for interfacing with the diathek= e/CLI command line interface.  Secondly, how is the sword project soft= ware installed for web applications that don't use CGI?  For instance,= how have people accessed it when running M$ ASP?  Does it work much l= ike a flat file database in terms of the front end making calls to it, etc.= ?  Where does all the data go within the web server directory...i.e. w= ill any old host do?

2)  This is more of a theory question than anything = else.  I hope to launch a site by end of the summer called OpenSourceC= hurch.com  It will be a site for the promotion of "free" sof= tware and knowledge resources amongst the body of Christ.  The focus w= ill not just be within the dev community.  My ultimate end goal is to = gather together the world's Christian hackers to work on a select number of= projects, including:

a)  A specialized Content Management System distribu= tion (probably based on Postnuke),
b)  a church/donor management solution (probably ba= sed on http://www.co= mpiere.org/ or http://www.gnuenterprise.org/),
c)  a ministry management solution (using the basel= ine of an open-source trouble ticket system), and
d)  some type of web-filtering software (much like = "Websense"). 
All but the last will be web based. 

I also would like to promote open-source documents and kn= owledge.  I wonder if some of you could share with me a bit of your vi= sion for making various information forms available freely to the global ch= urch.  Also, how do you think I should position the website and how mi= ght I attract the best programmers and project managers for this work?

Many thanks in advance for all your comments.  I am = truly open for this to be whatever it is meant to be!


Graciously yours,

Jason Reynolds

Telecommunications Manager-IT
Insight for Living

JasonR@Insight.org

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760-- ------------=_1018013919-18119-0-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 5 14:36:17 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:36:17 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] per Jonathan Hughes suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020405133840.217A92755@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <3CADC471.566.EDB044@localhost> I'm working on using swig (www.swig.org) to make scripting language bindings for sword. It now includes PHP so we could probably use that. see http://www.swig.org/Doc1.3/Php.html The main thing is to work out which sword classes and functions would be useful to expose in this way. It is then relatively trivial to write the interface files that swig uses to produce code that can be compiled into a PHP (or python or tcl or perl or guile ...) module. Do you think you could help with that? Daniel On 5 Apr 2002 at 5:38, Greg Marine sent forth the message: > Jason, > > I would be VERY willing to help you out in any way I am useful. > Especially with a PHP front-end to sword (if there isn't one already) > and online FREE Christian resources. If you're interested in my help, > just send me an email. > > Also, if anyone knows of a PHP front-end already in the works, I would > love to help if I'm needed :-) From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 5 15:21:19 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Brian Albert) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:21:19 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] BC++Builder In-Reply-To: <3CA9E2AF.FF8A3566@crosswire.org> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020402081823.00a01a30@eml.doe.gov> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020405091411.009fb430@eml.doe.gov> Thanks for your help, Troy. Unfortunately I can't open those .bpg files you mentioned. I get an error that says "PROJECTS macro in project group file missing or incorrect". I tried compiling from .bpr files, but I keep getting compiler errors. By the way, what is the RxLib and how do I install it? Part of the problem is that I'm still learning the ins and outs of Builder. A lot has changed since BC++ 4.5. At 09:56 AM 4/2/02 -0700, you wrote: >Brian, > There are .bpg files in the tree that should enable you to compile >things. Offhand, I know that there should be a >sword/utilities/bcppmake/utilities.bpg There should also be a >swordprj.bpg in the sword/apps/windoze/CBuilder5/BibleCS directory, but >you may need to install RxLib to compile. Not sure about this-- you >want to try without it first. > > Hope this helps. Looking forward to your contributions! > > -Troy. > > >Brian Albert wrote: > > > > Can someone please give me instructions on how to compile the source code > > with BC++ Builder 5 after doing an ftp download? I recently upgraded to > > Builder from Borland C++ 4.5. I'd like to be able to compile the utilities > > (addvs, vpl2mod, etc) as well. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Brian Albert > > Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov Brian Albert Environmental Measurements Laboratory 201 Varick Street - 5th Floor New York, NY 10014 Phone: (212) - 620 - 3369 Fax: (212) - 620 - 3600 Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 5 19:56:09 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 12:56:09 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] BC++Builder References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020402081823.00a01a30@eml.doe.gov> <5.0.2.1.0.20020405091411.009fb430@eml.doe.gov> Message-ID: <3CAE0159.3090004@crosswire.org> Brian, Where did you get the source code you are using? Have you tried the latest CVS? Here's a link to CVS howto for windows: http://www.crosswire.org/sword/ALPHAcckswwlkrfre22034820285912/wincvs.html Let me know if this has trouble for you as well. Have you installed the upgrade patch for bc++builder5? It may be found on Borland's site, here: http://www.borland.com/devsupport/bcppbuilder/patches/#cbuilder5 Hope we can get you working. I noticed that I might not have added a couple new files to the swordlib project in the utilities directory-- SWCacher and GreekLexAttribs. If you get linker errors, these two files need to be added to the swordlib project. Latest CVS should take care of this, though. Hope this gives ya some idea what to try. -Troy. Brian Albert wrote: > Thanks for your help, Troy. Unfortunately I can't open those .bpg files > you mentioned. I get an error that says "PROJECTS macro in project > group file missing or incorrect". I tried compiling from .bpr files, > but I keep getting compiler errors. By the way, what is the RxLib and > how do I install it? Part of the problem is that I'm still learning the > ins and outs of Builder. A lot has changed since BC++ 4.5. > > At 09:56 AM 4/2/02 -0700, you wrote: > >> Brian, >> There are .bpg files in the tree that should enable you to >> compile >> things. Offhand, I know that there should be a >> sword/utilities/bcppmake/utilities.bpg There should also be a >> swordprj.bpg in the sword/apps/windoze/CBuilder5/BibleCS directory, but >> you may need to install RxLib to compile. Not sure about this-- you >> want to try without it first. >> >> Hope this helps. Looking forward to your contributions! >> >> -Troy. >> >> >> Brian Albert wrote: >> > >> > Can someone please give me instructions on how to compile the source >> code >> > with BC++ Builder 5 after doing an ftp download? I recently >> upgraded to >> > Builder from Borland C++ 4.5. I'd like to be able to compile the >> utilities >> > (addvs, vpl2mod, etc) as well. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Brian Albert >> > Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov > > > Brian Albert > Environmental Measurements Laboratory > 201 Varick Street - 5th Floor > New York, NY 10014 > Phone: (212) - 620 - 3369 > Fax: (212) - 620 - 3600 > Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 5 20:03:13 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Brook Humphrey) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:03:13 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] BC++Builder In-Reply-To: <3CAE0159.3090004@crosswire.org> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020402081823.00a01a30@eml.doe.gov> <5.0.2.1.0.20020405091411.009fb430@eml.doe.gov> <3CAE0159.3090004@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <200204052010.g35KA7I19698@www.crosswire.org> On Friday 05 April 2002 11:56 am, you wrote: Troy I know this is bad form but My account is still not set up for ftp. Sorry about posting in someone else's thread. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 6 00:00:00 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Overcash) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:00:00 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email Message-ID: <002601c1dcfd$ff59db00$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_m1mqpp2gjO7LzJnXhCHxmA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey guys, I got this email today, really brought me to think on a lot so I thought I would forward it: The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore had only a short time to write something for a class. The subject was what Heaven was like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a killer, It's the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last. Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it while cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary Valley High School. Brian had been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece of his life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about encountering Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the teen's life But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that their son had described his view of heaven. It makes such an impact that people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was driving home from a friend's house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in Pickaway County and struck a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck unharmed but stepped on a downed power line and was electrocuted. The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I think we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of life after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see him. The Room... In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the room. There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered with small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that list titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, which stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either direction, had very different headings. As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through the cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I was. This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog system for my life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in a detail my memory couldn't match. A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with horror, stirred within me as I began randomly opening files and exploring their content. Some brought joy and sweet memories; others a sense of shame and regret so intense that I would look over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching. A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have betrayed." The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I Have Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've yelled at my brothers." Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My Anger," "Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased to be surprised by the contents. Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than I hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived. Could it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of these thousands or even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth. Each was written in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature. > When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched ," I realized the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it, shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time I knew that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I felt a chill runthrough my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded. An almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No one must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter now. I had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and began pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel when I tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its slot. Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh. And then I saw it.. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With." The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused. I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. And then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt. They started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried. I cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of file shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of this room. I must lock it up and hide the key. But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. Not here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open the files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His response. And in the moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow deeper than my own. He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. Why did He have to read every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from across the room. He looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a pity that didn't anger me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands and began to cry again. He walked over and put His arm around me. He could have said so many things. But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me. Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one end of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His name over mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to say was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on these cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The name of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He gently took the card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards. I don't think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the next instant it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my side. He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood up, and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There were still cards to be written. "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." ---Phil. 4:13 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16 If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as you can so the love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I shared the gospel with" file just got bigger, how about yours? -David Overcash webmaster@eurosoccerclub.net AIM: FunnyLookinHat --Boundary_(ID_m1mqpp2gjO7LzJnXhCHxmA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hey guys,
I got this email today, really brought me to think on a lot so I thought I would forward it:
 
 
The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore had only a
short time to write something for a class. The subject was what Heaven was
like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a killer, It's
the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last. 

Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it while
cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary Valley High School. Brian had
been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece of his
life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. 

Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about encountering
Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the teen's life
But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that
their son had described his view of heaven. It makes such an impact that
people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. 

Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was driving
home from a friend's house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in
Pickaway County and struck a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck
unharmed but stepped on a downed power line and was electrocuted.

The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family
portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I think
we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of
the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of life
after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see
him. 


The Room... 

In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the room.
There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered with
small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that list
titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, which
stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either direction,
had very different headings.

As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one
that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through the
cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names
written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I
was. This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog system for
my life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in
a detail my memory couldn't match. 

A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with horror, stirred within me as
I began randomly opening files and exploring their content. Some brought joy
and sweet memories; others a sense of shame and regret so intense that I
would look over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching.

A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have betrayed."
The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I Have
Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed
at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've yelled at
my brothers." Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My Anger,"
"Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased to be
surprised by the contents.  

Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than I
hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived. Could
it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of these thousands or
even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth. Each was written
in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature.   >

When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched ," I realized
the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and
yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it,
shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time I knew
that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I
felt a chill runthrough my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not
willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed
content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded.   

An almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No one
must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy
them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter now. I
had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and began
pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became
desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel when I
tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its
slot. 

Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh.
And then I saw it.. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With."
The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused.
I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long
fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. And
then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt. They
started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried. I
cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of file
shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of this
room. I must lock it up and hide the key.
But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. Not
here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open the
files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His response. And in the
moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow deeper than
my own.

He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. Why did He have to read
every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from across the room. He
looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a pity that didn't anger
me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands and began to cry again.
He walked over and put His arm around me. He could have said so many things.
But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me.

Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one end
of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His name over
mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to say
was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on these
cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The name
of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He gently took the
card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards. 
 
I don't think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the next
instant it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my side.
He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood up,
and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There were
still cards to be written. 
 
 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." ---Phil. 4:13

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever
believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16

If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as you can so the
love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I shared the gospel
with" file just got bigger, how about yours?
 
 
-David Overcash
AIM: FunnyLookinHat
--Boundary_(ID_m1mqpp2gjO7LzJnXhCHxmA)-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 6 01:39:31 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Trotz) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:39:31 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email References: <002601c1dcfd$ff59db00$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> Message-ID: <000b01c1dd0b$ea75c510$0100007f@localhost> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1DCC8.D804D5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David, That was a good letter, I liked reading it, I rarely read those types of = letters since I get them so often in my email, but this one I read. I = went ahead and checked it's validity... Here is what I found, not too = far from the truth http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/theroom.htm It = is a shame Christians feel they must embelish stories to get people to = read them. Thanks again for sharing David. In Christ, David Trotz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Overcash=20 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org=20 Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email Hey guys, I got this email today, really brought me to think on a lot so I = thought I would forward it: The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore had = only a short time to write something for a class. The subject was what Heaven = was like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a killer, = It's the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last. =20 Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it = while cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary Valley High School. Brian = had been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece = of his life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. =20 Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about = encountering Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the = teen's life But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized = that their son had described his view of heaven. It makes such an impact = that people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. = =20 Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was = driving home from a friend's house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in Pickaway County and struck a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck unharmed but stepped on a downed power line and was electrocuted.=20 The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I = think we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore = said of the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of = life after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll = see him. =20 The Room... =20 In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the = room. There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered = with small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that list titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, = which stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either = direction, had very different headings.=20 As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was = one that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through = the cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the = names written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where = I was. This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog = system for my life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and = small, in a detail my memory couldn't match. =20 A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with horror, stirred within = me as I began randomly opening files and exploring their content. Some = brought joy and sweet memories; others a sense of shame and regret so intense that = I would look over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching.=20 A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have = betrayed." The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I = Have Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have = Laughed at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've = yelled at my brothers." Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My = Anger," "Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased = to be surprised by the contents. =20 Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than = I hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived. = Could it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of these = thousands or even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth. Each was = written in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature. >=20 When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched ," I = realized the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed = tightly, and yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I = shut it, shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time = I knew that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful = Thoughts," I felt a chill runthrough my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, = not willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its = detailed content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded. = An almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No = one must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to = destroy them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter = now. I had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and = began pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel = when I tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file = to its slot. =20 Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying = sigh. And then I saw it.. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel = With." The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused. I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. = And then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt. = They started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and = cried. I cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of = file shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of = this room. I must lock it up and hide the key.=20 But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. = Not here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open = the files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His response. And = in the moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow = deeper than my own. He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. Why did He have to = read every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from across the room. He looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a pity that didn't = anger me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands and began to cry = again. He walked over and put His arm around me. He could have said so many = things. But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me.=20 Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one = end of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His = name over mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to = say was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on = these cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. = The name of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He gently took = the card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards.=20 =20 I don't think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the = next instant it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my = side. He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood = up, and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There = were still cards to be written.=20 =20 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." ---Phil. = 4:13=20 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16=20 If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as you can so = the love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I shared the = gospel with" file just got bigger, how about yours? -David Overcash webmaster@eurosoccerclub.net AIM: FunnyLookinHat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1DCC8.D804D5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
David,
That was a good letter, I liked reading = it, I=20 rarely read those types of letters since I get them so often in my = email, but=20 this one I read. I went ahead and checked it's validity... Here is what = I found,=20 not too far from the truth http://www.trut= horfiction.com/rumors/theroom.htm It=20 is a shame Christians feel they must embelish stories to get people to = read=20 them. Thanks again for sharing David.
In Christ,
David Trotz
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David Overcash
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 = 4:00=20 PM
Subject: [sword-devel] An off = topic, but=20 seeming necessary email

Hey guys,
I got this email today, really = brought me to=20 think on a lot so I thought I would forward it:
 
 
The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore = had only=20 a
short time to write something for a class. The subject was what = Heaven=20 was
like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a = killer,=20 It's
the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the=20 last. 

Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when = a=20 cousin found it while
cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary = Valley=20 High School. Brian had
been dead only hours, but his parents = desperately=20 wanted every piece of his
life near them-notes from classmates and=20 teachers, his homework. 

Only two months before, he had=20 handwritten the essay about encountering
Jesus in a file room full = of cards=20 detailing every moment of the teen's life
But it was only after = Brian's=20 death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that
their son had = described his=20 view of heaven. It makes such an impact that
people want to share = it. You=20 feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. 

Brian Moore = died May=20 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was driving
home from a = friend's=20 house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in
Pickaway County = and struck=20 a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck
unharmed but stepped on a = downed=20 power line and was electrocuted.

The Moores framed a copy of = Brian's=20 essay and hung it among the family
portraits in the living room. "I = think=20 God used him to make a point. I think
we were meant to find it and = make=20 something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of
the essay. She and her = husband=20 want to share their son's vision of life
after death. "I'm happy = for Brian.=20 I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see
him. 


The=20 Room... 

In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I = found=20 myself in the room.
There were no distinguishing features except = for the=20 one wall covered with
small index card files. They were like the = ones in=20 libraries that list
titles by author or subject in alphabetical = order. But=20 these files, which
stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly = endless in=20 either direction,
had very different headings.

As I drew = near the=20 wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one
that read = "Girls I=20 have liked." I opened it and began flipping through the
cards. I = quickly=20 shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names
written on = each=20 one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I
was. This = lifeless=20 room with its small files was a crude catalog system for
my life. = Here were=20 written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in
a detail = my=20 memory couldn't match. 

A sense of wonder and curiosity, = coupled=20 with horror, stirred within me as
I began randomly opening files = and=20 exploring their content. Some brought joy
and sweet memories; = others a=20 sense of shame and regret so intense that I
would look over my = shoulder to=20 see if anyone was watching.

A file named "Friends" was next to = one=20 marked "Friends I have betrayed."
The titles ranged from the = mundane to the=20 outright weird. "Books I Have
Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I = have=20 Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed
at." Some were almost hilarious in = their=20 exactness: "Things I've yelled at
my brothers." Others I couldn't = laugh at:=20 "Things I Have Done in My Anger,"
"Things I Have Muttered Under My = Breath=20 at My Parents." I never ceased to be
surprised by the = contents.  =20

Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes = fewer than=20 I
hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had = lived.=20 Could
it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of = these=20 thousands or
even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this = truth.=20 Each was written
in my own handwriting. Each signed with my=20 signature.   >

When I pulled out the file marked = "TV=20 Shows I have watched ," I realized
the files grew to contain their=20 contents. The cards were packed tightly, and
yet after two or three = yards,=20 I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it,
shamed, not so much = by the=20 quality of shows but more by the vast time I knew
that file = represented.=20 When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I
felt a chill = runthrough=20 my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not
willing to test = its size,=20 and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed
content. I felt = sick to=20 think that such a moment had been recorded.    =

An=20 almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No = one
must=20 ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to=20 destroy
them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size = didn't=20 matter now. I
had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it = at one=20 end and began
pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a = single card.=20 I became
desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong = as=20 steel when I
tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I = returned=20 the file to its
slot. 

Leaning my forehead against the = wall, I=20 let out a long, self-pitying sigh.
And then I saw it.. The title = bore=20 "People I Have Shared the Gospel With."
The handle was brighter = than those=20 around it, newer, almost unused.
I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches = long
fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on = one hand.=20 And
then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they = hurt.=20 They
started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees = and=20 cried. I
cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. = The=20 rows of file
shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must = ever, ever=20 know of this
room. I must lock it up and hide the key.
But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not = Him.=20 Not
here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to = open=20 the
files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His = response. And in=20 the
moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a = sorrow deeper=20 than
my own.

He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. = Why did=20 He have to read
every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from = across=20 the room. He
looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a = pity that=20 didn't anger
me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands = and began=20 to cry again.
He walked over and put His arm around me. He could = have said=20 so many things.
But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me.=20

Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting = at one=20 end
of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign = His name=20 over
mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could = find to=20 say
was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't = be on=20 these
cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so = alive.=20 The name
of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He = gently=20 took the
card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the=20 cards. 
 
I don't think I'll ever understand how He = did it so=20 quickly, but the next
instant it seemed I heard Him close the last = file and=20 walk back to my side.
He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, = "It is=20 finished." I stood up,
and He led me out of the room. There was no = lock on=20 its door. There were
still cards to be = written. 
 
 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." = ---Phil.=20 4:13

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, = that=20 whoever
believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." = ---John=20 3:16

If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as = you can=20 so the
love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I = shared the=20 gospel
with" file just got bigger, how about yours?
 
 
-David Overcash
webmaster@eurosoccerclub.net=
AIM: FunnyLookinHat
 

---
Outgoing mail is certified = Virus=20 Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: = 6.0.338=20 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date:=20 3/14/2002
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1DCC8.D804D5D0-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 6 06:24:37 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Overcash) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 00:24:37 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email References: <002601c1dcfd$ff59db00$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <000b01c1dd0b$ea75c510$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <001101c1dd33$ba8c1de0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_NNeyDR/ikMc7itNnKhkWMA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks for investigating that David, I was curious as to the level of its validity... -Dave Overcash ----- Original Message ----- From: David Trotz To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email David, That was a good letter, I liked reading it, I rarely read those types of letters since I get them so often in my email, but this one I read. I went ahead and checked it's validity... Here is what I found, not too far from the truth http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/theroom.htm It is a shame Christians feel they must embelish stories to get people to read them. Thanks again for sharing David. In Christ, David Trotz ----- Original Message ----- From: David Overcash To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email Hey guys, I got this email today, really brought me to think on a lot so I thought I would forward it: The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore had only a short time to write something for a class. The subject was what Heaven was like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a killer, It's the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last. Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it while cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary Valley High School. Brian had been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece of his life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about encountering Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the teen's life But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that their son had described his view of heaven. It makes such an impact that people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was driving home from a friend's house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in Pickaway County and struck a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck unharmed but stepped on a downed power line and was electrocuted. The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I think we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of life after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see him. The Room... In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the room. There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered with small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that list titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, which stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either direction, had very different headings. As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through the cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I was. This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog system for my life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in a detail my memory couldn't match. A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with horror, stirred within me as I began randomly opening files and exploring their content. Some brought joy and sweet memories; others a sense of shame and regret so intense that I would look over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching. A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have betrayed." The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I Have Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've yelled at my brothers." Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My Anger," "Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased to be surprised by the contents. Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than I hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived. Could it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of these thousands or even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth. Each was written in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature. > When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched ," I realized the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it, shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time I knew that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I felt a chill runthrough my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded. An almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No one must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter now. I had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and began pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel when I tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its slot. Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh. And then I saw it.. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With." The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused. I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. And then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt. They started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried. I cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of file shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of this room. I must lock it up and hide the key. But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. Not here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open the files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His response. And in the moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow deeper than my own. He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. Why did He have to read every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from across the room. He looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a pity that didn't anger me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands and began to cry again. He walked over and put His arm around me. He could have said so many things. But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me. Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one end of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His name over mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to say was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on these cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The name of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He gently took the card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards. I don't think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the next instant it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my side. He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood up, and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There were still cards to be written. "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." ---Phil. 4:13 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16 If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as you can so the love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I shared the gospel with" file just got bigger, how about yours? -David Overcash webmaster@eurosoccerclub.net AIM: FunnyLookinHat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002 --Boundary_(ID_NNeyDR/ikMc7itNnKhkWMA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Thanks for investigating that David, I was curious as to the level of its validity...
 
-Dave Overcash
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email

David,
That was a good letter, I liked reading it, I rarely read those types of letters since I get them so often in my email, but this one I read. I went ahead and checked it's validity... Here is what I found, not too far from the truth http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/theroom.htm It is a shame Christians feel they must embelish stories to get people to read them. Thanks again for sharing David.
In Christ,
David Trotz
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email

Hey guys,
I got this email today, really brought me to think on a lot so I thought I would forward it:
 
 
The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore had only a
short time to write something for a class. The subject was what Heaven was
like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a killer, It's
the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last. 

Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it while
cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary Valley High School. Brian had
been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece of his
life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. 

Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about encountering
Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the teen's life
But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that
their son had described his view of heaven. It makes such an impact that
people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. 

Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was driving
home from a friend's house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in
Pickaway County and struck a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck
unharmed but stepped on a downed power line and was electrocuted.

The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family
portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I think
we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of
the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of life
after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see
him. 


The Room... 

In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the room.
There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered with
small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that list
titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, which
stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either direction,
had very different headings.

As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one
that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through the
cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names
written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I
was. This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog system for
my life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in
a detail my memory couldn't match. 

A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with horror, stirred within me as
I began randomly opening files and exploring their content. Some brought joy
and sweet memories; others a sense of shame and regret so intense that I
would look over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching.

A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have betrayed."
The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I Have
Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed
at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've yelled at
my brothers." Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My Anger,"
"Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased to be
surprised by the contents.  

Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than I
hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived. Could
it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of these thousands or
even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth. Each was written
in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature.   >

When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched ," I realized
the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and
yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it,
shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time I knew
that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I
felt a chill runthrough my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not
willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed
content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded.   

An almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No one
must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy
them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter now. I
had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and began
pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became
desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel when I
tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its
slot. 

Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh.
And then I saw it.. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With."
The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused.
I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long
fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. And
then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt. They
started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried. I
cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of file
shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of this
room. I must lock it up and hide the key.
But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. Not
here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open the
files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His response. And in the
moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow deeper than
my own.

He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. Why did He have to read
every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from across the room. He
looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a pity that didn't anger
me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands and began to cry again.
He walked over and put His arm around me. He could have said so many things.
But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me.

Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one end
of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His name over
mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to say
was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on these
cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The name
of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He gently took the
card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards. 
 
I don't think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the next
instant it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my side.
He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood up,
and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There were
still cards to be written. 
 
 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." ---Phil. 4:13

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever
believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16

If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as you can so the
love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I shared the gospel
with" file just got bigger, how about yours?
 
 
-David Overcash
AIM: FunnyLookinHat
 

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--Boundary_(ID_NNeyDR/ikMc7itNnKhkWMA)-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 6 10:36:51 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jan Paul Schmidt) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:36:51 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] per Jonathan Hughes suggestion In-Reply-To: <7760400A7C0A43449997136293F11136055A11@isaiah.insight.org>; from JasonR@insight.org on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:05:00PM -0600 References: <7760400A7C0A43449997136293F11136055A11@isaiah.insight.org> Message-ID: <20020406123651.A950@jona> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:05:00PM -0600, Jason Reynolds wrote: > d) some type of web-filtering software (much like "Websense"). > All but the last will be web based. There is already software for this since years, like Junkbuster or FilterProxy. Look at http://freshmeat.net/ for them or others. The main problem will be to find someone who keeps the filter rules up to date and being strong enough to stand all the smut out there and to arrange what should be filtered. > I also would like to promote open-source documents and knowledge. I > wonder if some of you could share with me a bit of your vision for > making various information forms available freely to the global > church. Also, how do you think I should position the website and how > might I attract the best programmers and project managers for this > work? You should understand, what open source really is and why a lot of people like to use the term free software instead. You may have a look at http://www.gnu.org/ where a lot started. Free software is quite hard to understand, if you think in business terms. I don't know if it is the normal way native english speakers talk, but forget about attracting someone for something. You find people for your work, if you can convince them that you know what they are doing, how they feel and what they think. Otherwise you can't organize such a project and you can't handle the people working on it, either. Another tough task is to convince all the organisations out there to get rid of this Microsoft mono culture. This should be your main concern and not finding people to work on some projects, because there are quite some projects already outthere and to coordinate them should not be difficult. > Many thanks in advance for all your comments. I am truly open for > this to be whatever it is meant to be! You're welcome :o) jps From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 6 23:35:56 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 01:35:56 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Bug with SWKey operators Message-ID: <200204071050.g37AoJI31263@www.crosswire.org> Hi! See the attached test program. It's doesn't work properly, neither using en or de as locale. Is the code wrong or is Sword buggy? --------- #include #include #include #include int main (int argc, char* argv[]) { // LocaleMgr::systemLocaleMgr.setDefaultLocaleName("de"); VerseKey vk1 = "Genesis 2:10"; VerseKey vk2 = "Genesis 1:1"; while (vk2 <= vk1) { cout << vk2 << " <= " << vk1 << endl; vk2++; } }; --------- Thanks, Joachim From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 7 14:21:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Sven Vollbehr) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 17:21:34 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email References: <002601c1dcfd$ff59db00$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> Message-ID: <3CB055EE.6030609@iki.fi> I just loved reading this email. Thanks a lot David! David Overcash wrote: > The Room... [...] -- Sven Vollbehr. I don't know what this block of code does. It seems to serve no purpose, but if I remove it, the program stops working. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 8 07:35:03 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 01:35:03 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Modules tree structure Message-ID: <23F1DAA0-4AC3-11D6-959A-003065F084C0@mac.com> Hi, I've been working on a Module selection panel using an OutlineView (basically a tree type structure in the Mac world). What I want to know is if there is anything in the Sword API for getting the modules sorted by language? Of course I can write my own code for it.. but before I do, I thought I'd ask :) Also, is there a function somewhere to convert "en" to "English" and such? - n8 --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 03:13:24 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:13:24 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes Message-ID: <001301c1df74$831e3580$0700000a@DIASPORA> I'm uploading a lot of changes to our modules today so that they can get incorporated before the new CD pressing. The following are the major changes: DR has been renamed DRC LXXM has been renamed LXX (and the former LXX has been removed) Scrivner has been removed (because TR will be added) Stephanus has been removed (because TR will be added) WH has been removed (because it is unnecessary since we have WHNU) genitive forms changed to nominative: hitch/Hitchcocks has been renamed Hitchcock Naves has been renamed Nave Smiths has been renamed Smith Eastons has been renamed Easton Websters has been renamed Webster Modules with language names changed to conform to Ethnologue's standard names for their language: Mel has been renamed TokPisin Ketchi has been renamed Kekchi I'm also removing all the losung modules for the time being. I will re-add them in a while in a language-neutral format. They're all outdated anyway. I've also removed all locked copyrighted module .confs until the new CD is burned, but I have backups and will replace them roughly Wednesday. (Sorry for the inconvenience Jonathan.) In most of these cases, where a module has a changed name, I have added an "Obsoletes={old name}" attribute to the .confs. This way, functionality can be added to front ends or install managers to scan installed modules and remove any obsolete ones (e.g. if you have the new LXX, you don't need LXXM). --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 08:59:04 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 01:59:04 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes In-Reply-To: <001301c1df74$831e3580$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020409011822.00a1cc70@mail.dancris.com> At 08:13 PM 4/8/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >genitive forms changed to nominative: >hitch/Hitchcocks has been renamed Hitchcock >Naves has been renamed Nave >Smiths has been renamed Smith >Eastons has been renamed Easton >Websters has been renamed Webster Why? I understand that both forms will sound funny to people from different circles. People who are used to hearing a title shortened to the first significant word, such as calling The Antiquities of the Jews, simply Antiquities, will find Strong's, for Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, quite natural. But, people who are used to hearing a book referred to by the author's name will find Strong quite natural. Is it because the genitive tends to loose the apostrophe, and ends up being plural? Just curious. Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 10:36:07 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael S. Norris) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:36:07 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins References: Message-ID: <006a01c1dfb4$92d4a000$55f4afc3@dell> While there is documentation for creating module add-ins at http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/swordmodule/index.jsp, the information seems to be outdated and incomplete. Can someone suggest another place to find the necessary details for creating Bible modules or make some comments on what has been changed? I'm able to generate module files from a source text without verse refs using vpl2mod. But the heading information doesn't seem to be coming through correctly and the font size is way off. Using a source text with verse refs hasn't worked either. BTW, is the emptyvss utility for checking verses still around somewhere? Thanks, Mike msnorris@myrealbox.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Overcash" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins > I believe that there is documentation on how to use these programs to create > modules at the sword site... > http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/swordmodule/index.jsp > > -Dave Overcash > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of RJ > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:48 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins > > > Hello all- > Please forgive my ignorance in advance, I would like to begin making mods > for the sword project as i feel it is a very worthy cause. i have the > software for both linux and windows installed. i also have used it with the > modules in both platforms. i also downloaded the four utils found on the > ftp site [i.e. vpl2mod ... etc] if someone could help me with the basics, > or point me in the proper direction to some manuals or documentation i would > greatly appreciate it. > > Sincerely, > RJ From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 10:51:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael S. Norris) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:51:44 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins Message-ID: <006b01c1dfb4$9808b7a0$55f4afc3@dell> While there is documentation for creating module add-ins at http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/swordmodule/index.jsp, the information seems to be outdated and incomplete. Can someone suggest another place to find the necessary details for creating Bible modules or make some comments on what has been changed? I'm able to generate module files from a source text without verse refs using vpl2mod. But the heading information doesn't seem to be coming through correctly and the font size is way off. Using a source text with verse refs hasn't worked either. BTW, is the emptyvss utility for checking verses still around somewhere? Thanks, Mike msnorris@myrealbox.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Overcash" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins > I believe that there is documentation on how to use these programs to create > modules at the sword site... > http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/swordmodule/index.jsp > > -Dave Overcash > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of RJ > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:48 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins > > > Hello all- > Please forgive my ignorance in advance, I would like to begin making mods > for the sword project as i feel it is a very worthy cause. i have the > software for both linux and windows installed. i also have used it with the > modules in both platforms. i also downloaded the four utils found on the > ftp site [i.e. vpl2mod ... etc] if someone could help me with the basics, > or point me in the proper direction to some manuals or documentation i would > greatly appreciate it. > > Sincerely, > RJ From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 09:51:59 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:51:59 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020409011822.00a1cc70@mail.dancris.com> References: <001301c1df74$831e3580$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <3CB2C7CF.975.54BE688@localhost> talking of Strongs, do we really need StrongsHebrew and StrongsGreek when they both contain both the hebrew and the greek? Daniel On 9 Apr 2002 at 1:59, Jerry Hastings sent forth the message: > At 08:13 PM 4/8/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: > > >genitive forms changed to nominative: > >hitch/Hitchcocks has been renamed Hitchcock > >Naves has been renamed Nave > >Smiths has been renamed Smith > >Eastons has been renamed Easton > >Websters has been renamed Webster > > Why? I understand that both forms will sound funny to people from different > circles. People who are used to hearing a title shortened to the first > significant word, such as calling The Antiquities of the Jews, simply > Antiquities, will find Strong's, for Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, quite > natural. But, people who are used to hearing a book referred to by the > author's name will find Strong quite natural. Is it because the genitive > tends to loose the apostrophe, and ends up being plural? Just curious. > > Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 19:51:04 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020409011822.00a1cc70@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Jerry Hastings wrote: > At 08:13 PM 4/8/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: > > >genitive forms changed to nominative: > >hitch/Hitchcocks has been renamed Hitchcock > >Naves has been renamed Nave > >Smiths has been renamed Smith > >Eastons has been renamed Easton > >Websters has been renamed Webster > > Why? I understand that both forms will sound funny to people from different > circles. People who are used to hearing a title shortened to the first > significant word, such as calling The Antiquities of the Jews, simply > Antiquities, will find Strong's, for Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, quite > natural. But, people who are used to hearing a book referred to by the > author's name will find Strong quite natural. Is it because the genitive > tends to loose the apostrophe, and ends up being plural? Just curious. It's primarily for the purpose of consistency. We have some books in a posessive form and others not, and I just want to be consistent across all of them. The non-posessive form seems to be more prevalent and more sensible, so I conformed the others to that. Troy: We don't have a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance because it is unnecessary thanks to search. Jerry was just using it as an example. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 19:58:13 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes In-Reply-To: <3CB2C7CF.975.54BE688@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Daniel Glassey wrote: > talking of Strongs, do we really need StrongsHebrew and StrongsGreek > when they both contain both the hebrew and the greek? > > Daniel Ok, this is fixed. There really are two modules, but they were in the same directory and neither InstallMgr nor the download JSPs on CrossWire know how to deal with splitting multiple modules in a single directory. I put them in strongshebrew and strongsgreek respectively (rather than strongs) and renamed the module files themselves accordingly to maintain consistency. There's no way to combine them into a single module/download at present. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 21:11:31 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:11:31 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes References: Message-ID: <3CB35903.3BD38FBC@crosswire.org> > It's primarily for the purpose of consistency. We have some books in a > posessive form and others not, and I just want to be consistent across all > of them. The non-posessive form seems to be more prevalent and more > sensible, so I conformed the others to that. Just my 2c: It's not our job to make book titles consistent with eachother. > Troy: We don't have a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance because it > is unnecessary thanks to search. Jerry was just using it as an example. Point is the same. We have something we thing are definitions from Strong's EC, and we do have Nave's Topical Textbook, etc. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 22:55:41 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:55:41 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20020409011822.00a1cc70@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020409142620.0094f180@mail.dancris.com> At 12:51 PM 4/9/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >It's primarily for the purpose of consistency. We have some books in a >posessive form and others not, and I just want to be consistent across all >of them. Are you talking about books that all have the possessive form in the titles? Or, do some of the books not even have any form of the authors names in the titles, but are referred by the authors names? _Figures or Speech Used in the Bible_ in some contexts may simply be called Bullinger and _The Works of Josephus_ may be called Josephus. Are you trying to make books like Strong's EC consistent with book likes those? >The non-posessive form seems to be more prevalent and more >sensible, so I conformed the others to that. Is there a style book rule for this? What I can remember of my experience in higher ed. at secular institutions, the books we used were seldom referred to by title, but referred to by the authors names in the non-possessive form. What you say seems consistent with that. However, I don't remember using any book then that had the author's name in the title in the possessive form. I don't think I was ever in a class that used a book with a title like, _Gray's Anatomy_. I don't know if it would have been referred to as Gray's or Gray. And, mudding things more, I never used a "Christian" book in those institutions. But, in non-educational Christian circles, I hear titles with the possessive form shortened to simply the possessive form. I don't hear those books referred to by the author in the non-possessive form. I do however see both kinds of file names. I don't know how typical my experience is. Still curious. Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 10 23:39:57 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:39:57 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword 1.5.3 & BibleCS 1.5.3 Message-ID: <000901c1e0e9$060335c0$0700000a@DIASPORA> The release of both the API and new windows frontend have been announced on the main Sword page. I'm sorry that we didn't get much time to test this release of BibleCS, but the next release should be relatively soon. I hope we get things fixed a bit for another new CD pressing in a few months. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 00:20:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Trotz) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:20:44 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword 1.5.3 & BibleCS 1.5.3 References: <000901c1e0e9$060335c0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <000801c1e0ee$badae330$0100007f@localhost> I want to apologize too as I have been unable to help much with BibleCS, my time is all wrapped up these days in School. This summer I will have some extra time to help out hopefully and then... who knows. In Christ, David Trotz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Little" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: [sword-devel] Sword 1.5.3 & BibleCS 1.5.3 > The release of both the API and new windows frontend have been announced > on the main Sword page. I'm sorry that we didn't get much time to test > this release of BibleCS, but the next release should be relatively soon. > I hope we get things fixed a bit for another new CD pressing in a few > months. > > --Chris > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 4/2/2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 01:02:03 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:02:03 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword 1.5.3 & BibleCS 1.5.3 In-Reply-To: <000901c1e0e9$060335c0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <000f01c1e0f4$7e2cc5b0$0700000a@DIASPORA> BTW, if anyone has more cool new features we can list for either the API or BibleCS, please feel free to add them to the news item or send them to me and I will add them. I still can't really remember all the new stuff that's been added in the past 10 months. I'm going to let the news items sit for a day or two before making some module announcements. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 07:47:39 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:47:39 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword 1.5.3 & BibleCS 1.5.3 In-Reply-To: <000901c1e0e9$060335c0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020411004534.00a19560@mail.dancris.com> Why is BibleCS 1.5.3 using the help files from 1.5.2? Jerry :-( At 04:39 PM 4/10/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >The release of both the API and new windows frontend have been announced >on the main Sword page. I'm sorry that we didn't get much time to test >this release of BibleCS, but the next release should be relatively soon. >I hope we get things fixed a bit for another new CD pressing in a few >months. > >--Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 12:18:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (sword-devel@crosswire.org) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:18:44 EDT Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem Message-ID: <1aa.88c411.29e6d924@aol.com> --part1_1aa.88c411.29e6d924_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Troy and God Bless, I had a problem downloading and installing the 1.53. It caused at C++ error in XP. Not thinking, of course, I uninstalled it, which also removed all of my modules from the previous version. More importantly, it also removed the keys.txt file, which I had stored there with my unlock keys. Can you email me the text file? I'd appreciate it greatly. In his service, Norman --part1_1aa.88c411.29e6d924_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Troy and God Bless,

I had a problem downloading and installing the 1.53. It caused at C++ error in XP. Not thinking, of course, I uninstalled it, which also removed all of my modules from the previous version.  More importantly, it also removed the keys.txt file, which I had stored there with my unlock keys. Can you email me the text file?  I'd appreciate it greatly.

In his service,

Norman --part1_1aa.88c411.29e6d924_boundary-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 13:03:06 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:03:06 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <1aa.88c411.29e6d924@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020411055815.00a1bf10@mail.dancris.com> I also had a C++ exception when starting it for the first time. It also had various errors while closing. When I ran it again it was fine. Jerry At 08:18 AM 4/11/2002 -0400, Eldernsb@aol.com wrote: >Hi Troy and God Bless, > >I had a problem downloading and installing the 1.53. It caused at C++ >error in XP. Not thinking, of course, I uninstalled it, which also removed >all of my modules from the previous version. More importantly, it also >removed the keys.txt file, which I had stored there with my unlock keys. >Can you email me the text file? I'd appreciate it greatly. > >In his service, > >Norman From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 20:42:55 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:42:55 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020411055815.00a1bf10@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <000201c1e199$75a0c180$0700000a@DIASPORA> I posted a short solution (I think) to the problem on CrossWire. I also put the new help file in the installer, though we've already managed to add a couple new features that it doesn't cover. :) --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Hastings > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:03 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org; sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem > > > I also had a C++ exception when starting it for the first > time. It also had > various errors while closing. When I ran it again it was fine. > > Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 12:47:04 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:47:04 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <1aa.88c411.29e6d924@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CB593D8.21544.D8F002@localhost> Hi, I'm not certainif this is right, but if so I think this should be documented. sword 1.5.3 has a problem with old layout.conf files. You need to remove the old layout.conf and sword will regenerate a new one and be happy after that. Regards, Daniel On 11 Apr 2002 at 8:18, Eldernsb@aol.com sent forth the message: > Hi Troy and God Bless, > > I had a problem downloading and installing the 1.53. It caused at C++ error > in XP. Not thinking, of course, I uninstalled it, which also removed all of > my modules from the previous version. More importantly, it also removed the > keys.txt file, which I had stored there with my unlock keys. Can you email me > the text file? I'd appreciate it greatly. > > In his service, > > Norman > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 22:07:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 11 Apr 2002 16:07:26 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] broken Gnomesword installation Message-ID: <1018562847.1590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings, As a perfect newbie to Linux and Gnome, I installed sword 1.5.3 and the latest version of Gnome-sword... without a hitch. It all worked, but I had not installed any modules, so I downloaded the module zip files, moved them to the directory according to the instructions, unzipped them... and everything got ugly. Now, when I try to run Gnome-sword, I get a segmentation fault error, which I think means I installed something the wrong way. Unfortunately I do not have the expertise to un-install what I installed and redo it, or to fix what I have. Could anyone please help me? God bless, Jorge From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 22:40:55 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:40:55 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <000201c1e199$75a0c180$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <4.2.0.58.20020411055815.00a1bf10@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020411153911.009a6df0@mail.dancris.com> What features are those. I actually have a newer version that I have not been unable to upload because ftp is not working. Jerry > I also >put the new help file in the installer, though we've already managed to >add a couple new features that it doesn't cover. :) > >--Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 23:21:07 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:21:07 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020411153911.009a6df0@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <001301c1e1af$8ee05f00$0700000a@DIASPORA> General book support and new option filters (transliteration, hebrew vowels, hebrew cantillation, greek accents, scripture cross-references, headings, & lemmas) are all I can think of. If you want to email me a new file, I can update the installer and upload it. --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Hastings > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:41 PM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org; sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: RE: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem > > > What features are those. I actually have a newer version that > I have not > been unable to upload because ftp is not working. > > Jerry > > > I also > >put the new help file in the installer, though we've already > managed to > >add a couple new features that it doesn't cover. :) > > > >--Chris > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 00:10:17 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Terry Biggs) Date: 11 Apr 2002 20:10:17 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] broken Gnomesword installation In-Reply-To: <1018562847.1590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1018562847.1590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1018570219.26464.6.camel@office> This need to go to the gnomesword list. On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 18:07, Jorge Chacon wrote: > > > Greetings, > > As a perfect newbie to Linux and Gnome, I installed sword 1.5.3 and the > latest version of Gnome-sword... without a hitch. > It all worked, but I had not installed any modules, so I downloaded the > module zip files, moved them to the directory according to the > instructions, unzipped them... and everything got ugly. > > Now, when I try to run Gnome-sword, I get a segmentation fault error, > which I think means I installed something the wrong way. Unfortunately > I do not have the expertise to un-install what I installed and redo it, > or to fix what I have. You should have a hidden directory '.GnomeSword' delete it and run gnomesword again. It should start with the setup druid. Note if the druid finds your modules. Let me know what happens. Terry > > Could anyone please help me? > > God bless, > > > Jorge > > -- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 00:57:18 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:57:18 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Compiling Bibletime 1.1betas with kde3 Message-ID: <200204112057.18721.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Can it be done? I've tried with both cvs and the source on the sourceforge site. Do I need to go back and install qt2 or anything like that? -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relativly spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 01:25:21 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:25:21 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <001301c1e1af$8ee05f00$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <4.2.0.58.20020411153911.009a6df0@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020411181433.00a1e800@mail.dancris.com> BibleCS has gen. book support? I don't see it. Transliteration is in the new help files. I am guessing that cantillation and accents are supported (unicode) but there is no user controls for them in BibleCS. What do you mean by cross-references? I don't see anything dealing with that. Also, headings, & lemmas, should I be seeing something new? I put the latest Sword.chm, at http://www.bf.org/sword/Sword.chm . Jerry At 04:21 PM 4/11/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >General book support and new option filters (transliteration, hebrew >vowels, hebrew cantillation, greek accents, scripture cross-references, >headings, & lemmas) are all I can think of. If you want to email me a >new file, I can update the installer and upload it. > >--Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 02:31:56 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:31:56 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020411181433.00a1e800@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <001401c1e1ca$3791a5e0$0700000a@DIASPORA> > -----Original Message----- > > BibleCS has gen. book support? I don't see it. Yes. You need a book to realize it because it uses the commentary pane. There are 4 demo books in the beta area. > Transliteration is in the new help files. I am guessing that > cantillation > and accents are supported (unicode) but there is no user > controls for them > in BibleCS. What do you mean by cross-references? I don't see > anything > dealing with that. Also, headings, & lemmas, should I be > seeing something new? You need modules that have the options for them to be visible. Hebrew vowels & Hebrew cantillation require BHS Greek accents & lemmas require N27U4 (available in the beta area) Cross-references & headings can be found in ISV --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 02:50:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (sword-devel@crosswire.org) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:50:26 EDT Subject: [sword-devel] re:1.53 problem Message-ID: <11d.f57d914.29e7a572@aol.com> --part1_11d.f57d914.29e7a572_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Problem solved. Unfortunately, you have to uninstall 1.52 completely and then install 1.53 to get aound the problems. Thanks for the prayers. --part1_11d.f57d914.29e7a572_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Problem solved. Unfortunately, you have to uninstall 1.52 completely and then install 1.53 to get aound the problems. Thanks for the prayers. --part1_11d.f57d914.29e7a572_boundary-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 04:52:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 11 Apr 2002 22:52:34 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] broken Gnomesword installation In-Reply-To: <1018570219.26464.6.camel@office> References: <1018562847.1590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1018570219.26464.6.camel@office> Message-ID: <1018587156.1516.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> > You should have a hidden directory '.GnomeSword' delete it and run > gnomesword again. It should start with the setup druid. Note if the > druid finds your modules. > > Let me know what happens. > > Terry > That did it, thank you very much. All modules were now located. Do I have to do the same thing if I install more modules (which I am sure to), or will they be automatically loaded now? Also, I have a problem with the SpaVNT module... instead of vowels with tildes, I get "\'e1" and similar codes. Also, at the end of each verse there is a "\". I do not get the same problem with the SpaSEV or the SpaRV modules, so I do not think it is an installation problem. Should I contact anyone in particular regarding this? God bless, Jorge From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 05:56:06 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:56:06 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Compiling Bibletime 1.1betas with kde3 In-Reply-To: <200204112057.18721.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> References: <200204112057.18721.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <200204120756.06263.mg.pub@gmx.net> Am Freitag, 12. April 2002 02:57 schrieb David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver: > Can it be done? I've tried with both cvs and the source on the sourceforge > site. Do I need to go back and install qt2 or anything like that? No, 1.1 is for KDE2. 1.2 will be delivered to you soon, which is for KDE3. It already runs, but has some errors left. Check the cvs if you want. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 06:43:07 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:43:07 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update Message-ID: <8BFD4FED-4DE0-11D6-8576-003065F084C0@mac.com> Hi, I didn't know if I should really attach an image to the list, so I uploaded a screen shot here: http://nathany.com/lookup.jpg I've been working on a "sheet" (document-modal dialog) to select a module. It is designed to be used whenever a module is selected, and at some point it will be possible to open it as a stand-alone utilities panel. All with the same code and basically the same functionality... so in theory it would be possible to start a download from the select module sheet. I have all the basic stuff working, you can double click things, some items are appropriately disabled, and of course what you select changes what you're viewing. The OutlineView used here doesn't seem to be documented too well, in addition to me being new to Cocoa and Objective-C... so it took quite some time just to get this far. Plus I'm customizing things so they're "just so"... which takes a lot of time compared to "here's a default-style interface." The main thing I want to change, is to add an extra level for languages. I also need to restructure and clean up some code, and handle the "no modules installed" case, the "refresh, i just added some modules" case, and the "cancel selection" (Esc) case. Once I'm done that, I will put new binaries and code up for Alpha2 - then go on to work with RTF or HTML text rendering - Cocoa does indeed support both! - n8 --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 07:20:02 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:20:02 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Compiling Bibletime 1.1betas with kde3 In-Reply-To: <200204120756.06263.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <200204112057.18721.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> <200204120756.06263.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200204120320.03254.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> On Friday 12 April 2002 01:56 am, Martin Gruner wrote: <>< Am Freitag, 12. April 2002 02:57 schrieb David's Mailing List and Spam <>< Receiver: <>< No, 1.1 is for KDE2. 1.2 will be delivered to you soon, which is for KDE3. It <>< already runs, but has some errors left. Check the cvs if you want. Yay, happy. So is there like a maling list that I can use for bibletime questions or anything? -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relativly spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 09:13:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:13:34 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Compiling Bibletime 1.1betas with kde3 In-Reply-To: <200204120320.03254.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> References: <200204112057.18721.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> <200204120756.06263.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200204120320.03254.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <200204121113.34740.mg.pub@gmx.net> Am Freitag, 12. April 2002 09:20 schrieb David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver: > On Friday 12 April 2002 01:56 am, Martin Gruner wrote: > <>< Am Freitag, 12. April 2002 02:57 schrieb David's Mailing List and Spam > <>< Receiver: > <>< No, 1.1 is for KDE2. 1.2 will be delivered to you soon, which is for > KDE3. It > <>< already runs, but has some errors left. Check the cvs if you want. > > Yay, happy. So is there like a maling list that I can use for bibletime > questions or anything? bt-devel@crosswire.org Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 13:47:56 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Dan Bertles) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:47:56 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] NASB Module Error Message-ID: <1018619276.3cb6e58cb7bcf@webmail.namezero.com> NASB 1 Cor 9:27 "but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified." This is not the NASB version. I think the NASB95 is wrong too. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 14:57:25 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Darren DeMeulenaere) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:57:25 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) Message-ID: <7086522E6E20D611B5000002E300376312067D@SDGSYS2> I sent a message, but it never made it...I had an attachment, so that was a no no. Anyway I upgraded my sword to 1.53 for windows. When I did, the MHC came out in a very small text. I uploaded the image to my web page at www.darrensclan.com/swordimage.jpg I downgraded to 1.52, and MHC looks just fine. I looked throughout the settings but didn't see anything that would change it. Do I need to download a newer version of MHC? Darren From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 15:11:09 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 12 Apr 2002 09:11:09 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] font / module / filter problem with the SpaVNT module Message-ID: <1018624270.1516.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings, Using Sword 1.5.3 and GnomeSword 0.7.1 I get strings like "\'f3" within the text in the SpaVNT module. It does NOT happen with the other two Spanish modules (SpaRV, SpaSEV), so it is probably not my installation. Can anyone please help? God bless, Jorge From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 16:48:23 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:48:23 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) In-Reply-To: <7086522E6E20D611B5000002E300376312067D@SDGSYS2> Message-ID: <000301c1e241$dc5c9090$0700000a@DIASPORA> > I sent a message, but it never made it...I had an attachment, > so that was a no no. Anyway I upgraded my sword to 1.53 for > windows. When I did, the MHC came out in a very small text. > I uploaded the image to my web page at > www.darrensclan.com/swordimage.jpg I > downgraded to 1.52, and > MHC looks just fine. I looked throughout the settings but > didn't see anything that would change it. Do I need to > download a newer version of MHC? Yes. 1.5.3 expects valid XML from ThML modules, as found in the updated MHC. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 16:49:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:49:34 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] font / module / filter problem with the SpaVNT module In-Reply-To: <1018624270.1516.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000401c1e242$06948480$0700000a@DIASPORA> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Chacon > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:11 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] font / module / filter problem with > the SpaVNT module > > > Greetings, > > Using Sword 1.5.3 and GnomeSword 0.7.1 I get strings like > "\'f3" within the text in the SpaVNT module. It does NOT > happen with the other two Spanish modules (SpaRV, SpaSEV), so > it is probably not my installation. > > Can anyone please help? > > God bless, > > > Jorge It appears to have embedded RTF codes. I will fix it when I have time, in about 2 weeks. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 17:03:13 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:03:13 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) In-Reply-To: <000301c1e241$dc5c9090$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <7086522E6E20D611B5000002E300376312067D@SDGSYS2> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020412095832.00a05f00@mail.dancris.com> If it hasn't already been posted on the SWORD web page, perhaps that would be a good place to encourage users to upgrade all their modules. I think we can expect a lot of help questions on this. Jerry At 09:48 AM 4/12/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >Yes. 1.5.3 expects valid XML from ThML modules, as found in the updated >MHC. > >--Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 18:26:24 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:26:24 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020412095832.00a05f00@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <000501c1e24f$8d8482d0$0700000a@DIASPORA> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Hastings > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:03 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org; sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: RE: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) > > > If it hasn't already been posted on the SWORD web page, > perhaps that would > be a good place to encourage users to upgrade all their > modules. I think we > can expect a lot of help questions on this. > > Jerry I will, but there's a new problem with module downloads that I can't figure out and so need Troy to investigate. It only affects web downloads, not FTP or InstallMgr downloads. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 21:03:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 12 Apr 2002 15:03:44 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] font / module / filter problem with the SpaVNT module In-Reply-To: <000401c1e242$06948480$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <000401c1e242$06948480$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <1018645425.5210.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thank you very much. God bless, Jorge > > It appears to have embedded RTF codes. I will fix it when I have time, > in about 2 weeks. > > --Chris > > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 22:26:59 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Stephen Denne) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:26:59 +1200 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) In-Reply-To: <000501c1e24f$8d8482d0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: > I will, but there's a new problem with module downloads that I can't > figure out and so need Troy to investigate. > > It only affects web downloads, not FTP or InstallMgr downloads. > In case this is related... I had a problem with InstallMgr downloads prior to upgrading - nothing would work, I'd get a mesage saying it couldn't find the file and the file name it showed was garbage. Stephen. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 13 16:45:31 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:45:31 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Typo in Josephus Message-ID: <200204131245.31832.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> 1. AFTER the building of the temple, which, as we have before said, was finished in seven years, the king laid the foundation of his palace, which *be* did not finish under thirteen years Shouldn't the be I've marked in asterices be he? -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 13 18:14:48 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Don A. Elbourne Jr.) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:14:48 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Typo in Josephus References: <200204131245.31832.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <002f01c1e317$18f5cf00$ac690e44@no.cox.net> I do not know what the procedure has been in the past for Bible texts, but I am assuming that this issue might be raised even more now that general books support has been implemented. My suggestion would be that any textual anomalies like this be referred to the original content creator, in this case, CCEL. The source text can then be corrected instead of just the sword module. by grace alone, Don A. Elbourne Jr. http://elbourne.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: [sword-devel] Typo in Josephus > 1. AFTER the building of the temple, which, as we have before said, was > finished in seven years, the king laid the foundation of his palace, which > *be* did not finish under thirteen years > > Shouldn't the be I've marked in asterices be he? > -- > David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver > Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 13 20:25:51 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:25:51 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <001d01c1e0a9$4453c500$1d01a8c0@PRAXIS> Message-ID: I have been working on a Mac OS X native client for Sword - haven't gotten very far yet. I'm starting to wonder if that's the best approach. ProjectB already runs under Mac OS X, so once it is merged with JSword it could be tweaked a little for Mac. There are a few things to get the menus up in the right place and stuff like that. - n8 --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 13 22:44:33 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Kees Bergwerf) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:44:33 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] no modules? Message-ID: <200204132141.XAA29207@smtp.hccnet.nl> The easton bible dictionary and the hitchcock bible names module cannot be downloaded :( That is, no .zip file. | Message-ID: <881BD8AA-4F39-11D6-BF79-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> Well, first of all, the zips are never authoritative. They are generated automatically whenever there is a new file. Second, a bunch of modules have been removed because I'm tired of getting bug reports about their not being downloadable. I can't do anything about it. It's a server problem. Troy is the only one who can fix it, and he's in Austria. Hopefully he will check his mail soon and stop/start Tomcat. --Chris On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 03:44 PM, Kees Bergwerf wrote: > > The easton bible dictionary and the hitchcock bible names module cannot > be > downloaded :( > That is, no .zip file. > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 14 03:53:03 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Geoffrey W Hastings) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:53:03 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.3 Message-ID: <20020413.205304.3312.0.geoffreyhastings@juno.com> Running Windows XP Sword version 1.5.3 The font in JFB is super small and in blue letters. I tried removing and re-downloading JFB commentary using the install manager remote source. It doesn't appear to make any difference. Could the files on ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/raw/ be the old JFB module. It didn't show that there was an upgrade version to JFB from the one I already have.. On another note I saw another post saying they were having a similar problem with MHC to the one I have with JFB. MHC works fine for me as it is. Yet the install manager said there was an upgrade version of MHC available. I didn't bother downloading it since the old one works fine for me. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 14 06:18:56 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:18:56 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] HTML filters In-Reply-To: <000301c1d9d2$95532be0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <7FF23EC0-4F6F-11D6-97DF-003065F084C0@mac.com> It seems that if I call module->RenderText() it is already using some kind of filters (RTF possibly). What is the prescribed method to set this up for HTML? I assume I need to do more than just AddRenderFilter(). Thanks, - n8 On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Chris Little wrote: > If there is an HTML widget that you can use for display, you will be > happiest in the long run. Images will be making their way into modules > soon, along with other markup that we probably won't feel like filtering > into RTF or PS or such. Then you can just use the HTMLHREF filters to > get nice HTML output from Sword. > > --Chris > > --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 14 09:52:55 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:52:55 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.3 In-Reply-To: <20020413.205304.3312.0.geoffreyhastings@juno.com> Message-ID: <650A876E-4F8D-11D6-BF79-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 08:53 PM, Geoffrey W Hastings wrote: > Running Windows XP > Sword version 1.5.3 > The font in JFB is super small and in blue letters. > I tried removing and re-downloading JFB commentary using the install > manager remote source. > It doesn't appear to make any difference. > Could the files on ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/raw/ be the old JFB > module. It didn't show that there was an upgrade version to JFB from the > one I already have.. > On another note I saw another post saying they were having a similar > problem with MHC to the one I have with JFB. MHC works fine for me as it > is. Yet the install manager said there was an upgrade version of MHC > available. I didn't bother downloading it since the old one works fine > for me. It is the same problem as with the old MHC, but I haven't updated the JFB module yet. You should still update your MHC module. You're probably not seeing errors because they only occur in some entries. A version number increment always indicates that something has been fixed or improved. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 07:07:11 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Sven Vollbehr) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:07:11 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] Arrgg.. Message-ID: <3CBA7C1F.70600@iki.fi> Could someone please modify the following pages NOT to print the valid email addresses. I do not have anything against printing my email address publically if it's not in the proper format (that is the spambots will not regonise it). Those emails could also be represented in form when it's pretty much impossible for a spambot to gather the email address out of it. http://sword.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/WebChanges http://sword.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/WebIndex -- Sven Vollbehr. I don't know what this block of code does. It seems to serve no purpose, but if I remove it, the program stops working. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 07:14:58 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:14:58 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <8BFD4FED-4DE0-11D6-8576-003065F084C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <7E568266-5040-11D6-B336-003065F084C0@mac.com> Well, I haven't got all I set out to do done yet. But I did restructure my data a lot and got my outline view (tree) divided up by languages. See the 3rd screen shot here: http://nathany.com/sword/ Besides the language text being abbreviated 2 letter names, I'm virtually done this panel. I also changed the Books drop-down to a ComboBox that you can type into, and it supports auto completion. So you can type 2-3 letters, press tab and type a chapter, press tab or : and type a verse (each change updates the text below). But I also need to handle "no modules installed" and "pick the first module installed" before putting up a new binary - right now it defaults the first window to ISV. Also a lot of code clean up, some more reorganizing and a lot of comments before my next source upload. (Alpha2) I'm not sure that anyone is actually looking at these binaries or source though. Probably not too many Mac users on this list. Email me if you want to play with the last build. Still hoping on a few tips on HTML/RTF filters before I get to that part. (Alpha3) After that I'll probably look into commentaries, which should be straight forward except I need to learn how to implement split views. Find/Search will be more complicated, but probably use another split view. I have actually designed things out a fair ways already... Sometime before doing a public beta, I will likely rename this app - iSword or something? - n8 On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 12:43 AM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > The main thing I want to change, is to add an extra level for > languages. I also need to restructure and clean up some code, and > handle the "no modules installed" case, the "refresh, i just added some > modules" case, and the "cancel selection" (Esc) case. > > Once I'm done that, I will put new binaries and code up for Alpha2 - > then go on to work with RTF or HTML text rendering - Cocoa does indeed > support both! --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 08:00:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:00:27 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <7E568266-5040-11D6-B336-003065F084C0@mac.com> References: <7E568266-5040-11D6-B336-003065F084C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <200204151000.27114.mg.pub@gmx.net> Hi Nathan, > Still hoping on a few tips on HTML/RTF filters before I get to that > part. (Alpha3) CSwordBackend::CSwordBackend() : SWMgr(0,0,false,new MarkupFilterMgr( FMT_HTML, ENC_UTF8 )) Should do it. Thereby the appropriate filters are set to give you UTF8 HTML output. Though we at BibleTime did our own HTML filters to do some special stuff. Martin > > After that I'll probably look into commentaries, which should be > straight forward except I need to learn how to implement split views. > Find/Search will be more complicated, but probably use another split > view. I have actually designed things out a fair ways already... > > Sometime before doing a public beta, I will likely rename this app - > iSword or something? > > - n8 > > On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 12:43 AM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > > The main thing I want to change, is to add an extra level for > > languages. I also need to restructure and clean up some code, and > > handle the "no modules installed" case, the "refresh, i just added some > > modules" case, and the "cancel selection" (Esc) case. > > > > Once I'm done that, I will put new binaries and code up for Alpha2 - > > then go on to work with RTF or HTML text rendering - Cocoa does indeed > > support both! > > --- > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: nathany at mac.com > Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 08:04:33 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:04:33 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <200204151000.27114.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <7E568266-5040-11D6-B336-003065F084C0@mac.com> <200204151000.27114.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200204151004.33878.mg.pub@gmx.net> > : SWMgr(0,0,false,new MarkupFilterMgr( FMT_HTML, ENC_UTF8 )) > > Should do it. Thereby the appropriate filters are set to give you UTF8 HTML > output. Though we at BibleTime did our own HTML filters to do some special > stuff. Hm. Afraid I spoke up too soon -- there is no FMT_HTML, only FMT_THML. But that is not what you want... Chris? Marti From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 08:54:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:54:27 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <200204151004.33878.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <000801c1e45b$269c7830$0700000a@DIASPORA> > > : SWMgr(0,0,false,new MarkupFilterMgr( FMT_HTML, ENC_UTF8 )) > > > > Should do it. Thereby the appropriate filters are set to > give you UTF8 > > HTML output. Though we at BibleTime did our own HTML filters to do > > some special stuff. > > Hm. Afraid I spoke up too soon -- there is no FMT_HTML, only > FMT_THML. But > that is not what you want... Chris? Hmm, I thought there was a FMT_HTML. In any case, it's probably not the best option. FMT_THML should be good if you want to handle some XML parsing yourself. Or better yet FMT_OSIS if you can wait about a month or two for it to be completely implemented. If you don't want to parse XML yourself, I would recommend Terry's excellent FMT_HTMLHREF filters. They're used in GnomeSword, by Diatheke/CGI, and (IIRC) QPSword. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 09:17:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:17:44 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <7E568266-5040-11D6-B336-003065F084C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <001001c1e45e$66caccb0$0700000a@DIASPORA> > I'm not sure that anyone is actually looking at these > binaries or source > though. Probably not too many Mac users on this list. Email me if you > want to play with the last build. I've been keeping up and think the progress looks great. I am really excited about the prospect of helping out with this stuff once I get a break from other obligations. I would love to get your code up on our CVS server, but we would have to wait until Troy can get an account set up for you, etc. > Sometime before doing a public beta, I will likely rename this app - > iSword or something? It's not a good idea to ask the mailing list for name suggestions. :) >From past experience, everyone will have objections to any name you come up with. And the one that everyone finally does decide they like will be a registered trademark. (Ahh... The memories.) iSword might be somewhat inaccurate since it doesn't really have anything to do with the internet (not that the iPod or iMovie have very much to do with the internet). You can also scan through the mailing list archives to see some of the name proposals for the Windows frontend that were discussed some months back. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 09:19:10 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:19:10 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Arrgg.. In-Reply-To: <3CBA7C1F.70600@iki.fi> Message-ID: <3CBAA91E.21035.33E556@localhost> This is a wiki bug, on other pages it adds IHATESPAM to the address. As a quick fix, the summary that is shown on WebCHanges and WebIndex is the first 162 characters of the page. So if you pad the top of the page out with stuff then it won't show the email. Regards, Daniel P.S. I'll try and fix it for new registrations to pad it out automatically, but if you could do your own that would help. On 15 Apr 2002 at 10:07, Sven Vollbehr sent forth the message: > > Could someone please modify the following pages NOT to print the valid > email addresses. I do not have anything against printing my email > address publically if it's not in the proper format (that is the > spambots will not regonise it). Those emails could also be represented > in form when it's pretty much > impossible for a spambot to gather the email address out of it. > > http://sword.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/WebChanges > http://sword.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/WebIndex > > -- > Sven Vollbehr. I don't know what this block of code does. It seems > to serve no purpose, but if I remove it, the program stops working. > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 10:50:18 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Geoffrey W Hastings) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 03:50:18 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] ISBE upgrade from Install manager Message-ID: <20020415.035018.2532.3.geoffreyhastings@juno.com> This message is in MIME format. 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----__JNP_000_5b84.6c5f.32a8-- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 16:47:48 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:47:48 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <001001c1e45e$66caccb0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <84B0B516-5090-11D6-A2C3-003065F084C0@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-2--220120722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 03:17 AM, Chris Little wrote: >> I'm not sure that anyone is actually looking at these >> binaries or source >> though. Probably not too many Mac users on this list. Email me if you >> want to play with the last build. > > I've been keeping up and think the progress looks great. I am really > excited about the prospect of helping out with this stuff once I get a > break from other obligations. Well, right now the tips on working with the Sword API are really what I'm looking for. Thanks for that, and to Martin for the code snippet. I haven't been digging into the Sword code or other clients, basically just going off the docs - which leave a bit to be desired. I guess it's not every day that someone decides to write a new client though. :-) I have a fair number of questions... > I would love to get your code up on our CVS server, but we would have to > wait until Troy can get an account set up for you, etc. I'm not all that anxious to use CVS anyway. Partially because I'm still learning, and end up refactoring code almost as often as writing it. Needless to say, Macs are a bit weird. Even though OS X can figure things out by file extension, and Project Builder has CVS built in - I've ran into difficulties with file bundles. The .pbproj (project file) and some other files are actually folders. In the past, I've had some trouble updating changes to them in CVS. May just require some setup on the server-side... Other than those excuses, it would probably be a good idea. :-) Right now my "version control" consists of putting the .app and a source code .sit into my "last build" folder whenever I get a stable build. When I reach some sort of milestone worthy of sending out to this list, I also backup the folders to my iPod. >> Sometime before doing a public beta, I will likely rename this app - >> iSword or something? > > It's not a good idea to ask the mailing list for name suggestions. :) > From past experience, everyone will have objections to any name you come > up with. And the one that everyone finally does decide they like will > be a registered trademark. (Ahh... The memories.) > > iSword might be somewhat inaccurate since it doesn't really have > anything to do with the internet (not that the iPod or iMovie have very > much to do with the internet). You can also scan through the mailing > list archives to see some of the name proposals for the Windows frontend > that were discussed some months back. Well, we do have the module downloading support - not exactly a priority for me to implement though. I don't think that's too far off from iTunes which is mostly a lot of non-Internet stuff, but it has radio stations. Or iPhoto, which can integrate with iTools to update your photo album, and that whole online ordering thing - but still mostly useful as a tool for doing non-Internet things. iPod is certainly questionable - excluding people who "Do steal music"(TM). There are some third-party tools to sync news to it, but other than that - very Internet-unrelated. iApps are all free - so such an association may be a good thing. On the other hand, there aren't too many non-Apple iApps. I'm more concerned about whether to call it "Sword" or something more obvious, like "Bible" :-) But at the moment I'm thinking Sword would be okay if my description is something along the lines of: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. [Eph 6:17] - n8 --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com --Apple-Mail-2--220120722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 03:17 AM, Chris Little wrote: I'm not sure that anyone is actually looking at these binaries or source though. Probably not too many Mac users on this list. Email me if you want to play with the last build. I've been keeping up and think the progress looks great. I am really excited about the prospect of helping out with this stuff once I get a break from other obligations. Well, right now the tips on working with the Sword API are really what I'm looking for. Thanks for that, and to Martin for the code snippet. I haven't been digging into the Sword code or other clients, basically just going off the docs - which leave a bit to be desired. I guess it's not every day that someone decides to write a new client though. :-) I have a fair number of questions... I would love to get your code up on our CVS server, but we would have to wait until Troy can get an account set up for you, etc. I'm not all that anxious to use CVS anyway. Partially because I'm still learning, and end up refactoring code almost as often as writing it. Needless to say, Macs are a bit weird. Even though OS X can figure things out by file extension, and Project Builder has CVS built in - I've ran into difficulties with file bundles. The .pbproj (project file) and some other files are actually folders. In the past, I've had some trouble updating changes to them in CVS. May just require some setup on the server-side... Other than those excuses, it would probably be a good idea. :-) Right now my "version control" consists of putting the .app and a source code .sit into my "last build" folder whenever I get a stable build. When I reach some sort of milestone worthy of sending out to this list, I also backup the folders to my iPod. Sometime before doing a public beta, I will likely rename this app - iSword or something? It's not a good idea to ask the mailing list for name suggestions. :) >From past experience, everyone will have objections to any name you come up with. And the one that everyone finally does decide they like will be a registered trademark. (Ahh... The memories.) iSword might be somewhat inaccurate since it doesn't really have anything to do with the internet (not that the iPod or iMovie have very much to do with the internet). You can also scan through the mailing list archives to see some of the name proposals for the Windows frontend that were discussed some months back. Well, we do have the module downloading support - not exactly a priority for me to implement though. I don't think that's too far off from iTunes which is mostly a lot of non-Internet stuff, but it has radio stations. Or iPhoto, which can integrate with iTools to update your photo album, and that whole online ordering thing - but still mostly useful as a tool for doing non-Internet things. iPod is certainly questionable - excluding people who "Do steal music"(TM). There are some third-party tools to sync news to it, but other than that - very Internet-unrelated. iApps are all free - so such an association may be a good thing. On the other hand, there aren't too many non-Apple iApps. I'm more concerned about whether to call it "Sword" or something more obvious, like "Bible" :-) But at the moment I'm thinking Sword would be okay if my description is something along the lines of: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. [Eph 6:17] - n8 --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com --Apple-Mail-2--220120722-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 21:46:46 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:46:46 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] modules fixed In-Reply-To: <200204132141.XAA29207@smtp.hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <48C18D1A-50BA-11D6-BF79-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> The modules that I removed a couple days ago because they couldn't be downloaded are back. Troy restarted Tomcat and now they work again. Thank you Troy! Now please go do some vacationing. :) --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 00:00:21 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:00:21 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: <200204151004.33878.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: Okay, so I got this working with FMT_HTMLHREF (and there does appear to be a FMT_HTML as well, but I never tried it). Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a tag in HTML before!? Is ENC_UTF16 supposed to be Unicode, and what are these other encoding types? Does ENC_HTML use character entities or something? I'm hoping I don't have to write any filters myself - trying to stay away from Model code as much as possible to concentrate on building a good UI. But I am a web developer by profession, so I'm sure I could figure it out if I had to... :-). - n8 On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 02:04 AM, Martin Gruner wrote: >> : SWMgr(0,0,false,new MarkupFilterMgr( FMT_HTML, ENC_UTF8 )) >> >> Should do it. Thereby the appropriate filters are set to give you UTF8 >> HTML >> output. Though we at BibleTime did our own HTML filters to do some >> special >> stuff. > > Hm. Afraid I spoke up too soon -- there is no FMT_HTML, only FMT_THML. > But > that is not what you want... Chris? > > Marti > > --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 02:22:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:22:26 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry for all the questions. I got it working with FMT_HTMLHREF and ENC_HTML. I don't know if the ENC_HTML entities handle Greek/Hebrew/etc, but I'll assume they do for now. - n8 On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 06:00 PM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > > Okay, so I got this working with FMT_HTMLHREF (and there does appear to > be a FMT_HTML as well, but I never tried it). > > Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a tag in HTML > before!? > > Is ENC_UTF16 supposed to be Unicode, and what are these other encoding > types? Does ENC_HTML use character entities or something? > --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 03:24:29 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:24:29 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] HTML Markup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <761A7396-50E9-11D6-A2C3-003065F084C0@mac.com> Another question, If I want to get a whole chapter with the verse numbers in superscript, would I need to loop over each verse and do that manually, or is there a better way? Right now I'm trying to get the loop working, but it seems module++; is blowing things up - I thought this would increment the key associated with the module? - n8 On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 08:22 PM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > > Sorry for all the questions. I got it working with FMT_HTMLHREF and > ENC_HTML. I don't know if the ENC_HTML entities handle > Greek/Hebrew/etc, but I'll assume they do for now. > > - n8 > --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 11:08:43 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:08:43 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c1e537$12d8e1d0$0700000a@DIASPORA> > Okay, so I got this working with FMT_HTMLHREF (and there does > appear to > be a FMT_HTML as well, but I never tried it). > > Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a > tag in HTML > before!? There are some non-HTML conventions used in FMT_HTMLHREF that require parsing & filtering on the client side. Maybe Terry could elaborate. Or maybe you can figure them all out by reading the source. > Is ENC_UTF16 supposed to be Unicode, and what are these other > encoding > types? Does ENC_HTML use character entities or something? ENC_UTF16 is supposed to be UTF-16 but I would not recommend using it because it is still untested. ENC_HTML should do numeric character entities. I would recommend using ENC_UTF8 and setting the character encoding to UTF-8 since it will buy you a little bit extra speed in most cases (by virtue of not requiring any character conversions). --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 12:51:35 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Terry Biggs) Date: 16 Apr 2002 08:51:35 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: <001e01c1e537$12d8e1d0$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <001e01c1e537$12d8e1d0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <1018961497.11586.6.camel@office> On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 07:08, Chris Little wrote: > > > > Okay, so I got this working with FMT_HTMLHREF (and there does > > appear to > > be a FMT_HTML as well, but I never tried it). > > > > Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a > > tag in HTML > > before!? You probably want see it again either :) It's just a comment and replaces the

I catch and if the user has selected to view the Bible Text in verses I just ignore it. Other wise it gets replaced with

. > > There are some non-HTML conventions used in FMT_HTMLHREF that require > parsing & filtering on the client side. Maybe Terry could elaborate. > Or maybe you can figure them all out by reading the source. > > > Is ENC_UTF16 supposed to be Unicode, and what are these other > > encoding > > types? Does ENC_HTML use character entities or something? > > ENC_UTF16 is supposed to be UTF-16 but I would not recommend using it > because it is still untested. ENC_HTML should do numeric character > entities. I would recommend using ENC_UTF8 and setting the character > encoding to UTF-8 since it will buy you a little bit extra speed in most > cases (by virtue of not requiring any character conversions). > > --Chris > > -- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 23:51:54 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:51:54 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] HTML Markup References: <761A7396-50E9-11D6-A2C3-003065F084C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <3CBCB91A.21E89F03@crosswire.org> Nathan, Excited about your work. module++ should work (be sure you have an object and not a pointer, e.g. (*module)++). You can see swdisprtfchap.cpp or something like that down under apps/windows/ somewhere. :) The idea is to subclass SWDisplay and set this in your module, then a simple module->Display() whenever you need to refresh will suffice. Usually, a UI writer will also subclass SWMgr and override some of the methods that get called 'per module' on startup, like AddRenderFilter, or the like, but with Chris' new FilterMgr, many people don't need this. Used to be the method would be overridden to do what you suggested earlier: (*module) << myRenderFilter. If you would like more control, you can do this. The windows client does to still catch a few special modules and adds it's own special render filters. You can check it out if you would like an example: biblecsmgr.cpp Please keep asking questions!!! Looking forward to finally telling people, YES we have a mac version! -Troy. Nathan Youngman wrote: > > Another question, > > If I want to get a whole chapter with the verse numbers in superscript, > would I need to loop over each verse and do that manually, or is there a > better way? > > Right now I'm trying to get the loop working, but it seems module++; is > blowing things up - I thought this would increment the key associated > with the module? > > - n8 > > On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 08:22 PM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > > > > Sorry for all the questions. I got it working with FMT_HTMLHREF and > > ENC_HTML. I don't know if the ENC_HTML entities handle > > Greek/Hebrew/etc, but I'll assume they do for now. > > > > - n8 > > > --- > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: nathany at mac.com > Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 20:05:45 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:05:45 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: <1018961497.11586.6.camel@office> Message-ID: <5658C894-5175-11D6-AAFE-003065F084C0@mac.com> So a normal

could occur in other places where it is left in? - n8 On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 06:51 AM, Terry Biggs wrote: > On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 07:08, Chris Little wrote: >>> Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a >>> tag in HTML >>> before!? > > You probably want see it again either :) > It's just a comment and replaces the

I catch and if the user has > selected to view the Bible Text in verses I just ignore it. Other wise > it gets replaced with

. > > --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 18 20:54:36 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Terry Biggs) Date: 18 Apr 2002 16:54:36 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: <5658C894-5175-11D6-AAFE-003065F084C0@mac.com> References: <5658C894-5175-11D6-AAFE-003065F084C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <1019163282.28251.5.camel@office> On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 16:05, Nathan Youngman wrote: > > So a normal

could occur in other places where it is left in? > it is always replace with

, sorry. It is a lot of trouble to remove it but no trouble to add it in gnomesword. There is one
added also. Maybe in 1.5.4 we can add the

. > - n8 > > On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 06:51 AM, Terry Biggs wrote: > > > On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 07:08, Chris Little wrote: > >>> Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a > >>> tag in HTML > >>> before!? > > > > You probably want see it again either :) > > It's just a comment and replaces the

I catch and if the user has > > selected to view the Bible Text in verses I just ignore it. Other wise > > it gets replaced with

. > > > > > --- > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: nathany at mac.com > Web: http://nathany.com > > -- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 18 21:07:51 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Ross, Perry) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:07:51 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Gimme something to do Message-ID: Hi all. I've been lurking for a week or so, trying to get an idea of what's going on before posting, but the list seems kinda quiet right now. Anyhow, I was hoping to find something to help with, but I'm not real picky. I've been writing c++ for nearly a decade, and Java for a year or so (but it's seemed like a decade :-). My home box has 98SE, 2000pro and debian linux, and I suppose I could load Solaris too, if anyone cares. I'm no good at writing gui's, I usually end up on the back end, but hey, whatever. If you can use some help, gimme a yell. -- Perry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 20 13:16:42 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:16:42 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] prn2sword for german locale? Message-ID: <200204201323.g3KDNAI29318@www.crosswire.org> Chris, I'm trying to create a GerElb1871 module for Sword. I extraceted the text from the Olb module by printing the verselist as explained in the prn2sword program. But since the module is a german one german book names are used in the outputfile. I think prn2swiord can't handle this. Is there a way to create a module using the german book names? I'd be really glad about this. Thank you for your patience, Joachim From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 20 22:02:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:02:27 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] prn2sword for german locale? In-Reply-To: <200204201323.g3KDNAI29318@www.crosswire.org> References: <200204201323.g3KDNAI29318@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <200204202207.g3KM7XI32658@www.crosswire.org> I got it working. I made a commandline version of prn2sword of it to work on linux and it worked! Somehow the windows version did not work. I'll upload the Elberfelder 1871 module when I have a working account. Joachim > Chris, > I'm trying to create a GerElb1871 module for Sword. I extraceted the text > > >from the Olb module by printing the verselist as explained in the > > prn2sword > > program. > > But since the module is a german one german book names are used in the > outputfile. I think prn2swiord can't handle this. Is there a way to create > a module using the german book names? I'd be really glad about this. > > Thank you for your patience, > Joachim From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 21 00:55:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:55:26 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] make with gcc 3.1 fails Message-ID: <7823B8A6-54C2-11D6-BB70-003065F084C0@mac.com> I tried to do a build with gcc 3.1, but it complains about iostream.h (or something it's including) being a deprecated header file. This is the current cvs code I'm building, and reverting back to gcc 2.95 works fine. I'm not sure if it is my environment (3.1 is beta on Mac) or something that could be corrected in the Sword code. So I'm wondering if anyone successfully uses gcc 3.x on other platforms? The actual error message is below. - n8 --- In file included from /usr/include/gcc/darwin/3.1/g++-v3/backward/iostream.h:31, from ../src/mgr/swmgr.cpp:35: /usr/include/gcc/darwin/3.1/g++-v3/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the header for the header for C++ includes, or instead of the deprecated header . To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated. --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 21 00:45:19 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joshua Holman) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:45:19 -1000 Subject: [sword-devel] RV 1881? Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1E87A.020942A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Fellow SWORD-Mongers, I was wondering, has anyone in the UK (or anywhere else in the world) found a copy of the English Revised Version, the version that the ASV was based on? 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Message-ID: One of the good features of web browsers is that they can use helpers to accomodate other applications. Does anyone know if we are heading in that direction to support graphics and/or multimedia? Steve Tang... From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 21 13:06:55 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Mario Valente) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:06:55 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Bug: Message-ID: <000001c1e935$6c8923f0$6401a8c0@xp888> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_2oIj2ywq4zjeP+PxnNIDWw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, I can't seem to download any Tester beta modules-addins from the developer website. For example when trying to download any in the bible texts, it returns with an error message that it is not available. Is there anything else that must be done to download any beta modules? With much agape in Christ, Mario --Boundary_(ID_2oIj2ywq4zjeP+PxnNIDWw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi,

 

I can’t seem to download any Tester beta modules-addins from the developer website.

For example when trying to download any in the bible texts, it returns with an error message that it is not available.

Is there anything else that must be done to download any beta modules?

 

With much agape in Christ,

Mario

--Boundary_(ID_2oIj2ywq4zjeP+PxnNIDWw)-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 15:06:14 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Bitmead) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:06:14 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching Message-ID: <3CC57866.9060201@bitmead.com> I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" for example. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 15:19:07 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:19:07 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <3CC57866.9060201@bitmead.com> References: <3CC57866.9060201@bitmead.com> Message-ID: <200204231719.07969.mg.pub@gmx.net> > I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish > I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" > for example. You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 17:42:16 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Kevin Montgomery) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:42:16 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <200204231719.07969.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: Will that always work? What if you have a sentence such as: "If you play the fool, you will have nothing." With the comma next to the word I assume it would not pick it up. Similarly if the word is at the end of a sentence and has a full stop (period) next to it that will not pick up either. Regards Kevin -----Original Message----- From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of Martin Gruner Sent: 23 April 2002 16:19 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Sword Searching > I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish > I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" > for example. You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 18:15:59 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:15:59 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204232016.00003.mg.pub@gmx.net> > Similarly if the word is at the end of a sentence and has a full stop > (period) next to it that will not pick up either. You have a point. Using regular expressions would probably work here. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 19:12:38 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Kees Bergwerf) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:12:38 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] switch Message-ID: <200204231909.VAA08301@smtp.hccnet.nl> About the bibletime program: When I have more then 1 translation open and 1 or more commentaries that are synchronised with the text, this synchronisation is active for ALL translations that are open. Sometimes I like to look in another book of a translation but immediately the commentaries changes also. Is it possible to make a switch for each translation: sync yes/no, so when it is no, the commentaries will never synchronised with that translation. Then I can brows in a translation without changing the commentaries. I hope I desribed the problem well enough. O know.. I can switch the sync off for the notes... but that is not so easy to use. I have installed bibletime 1.1 together with sword 1.5.3 and I must say that I am impressed! | Hello all, I'm using Sword for Windows 1.5.3 on Windows 98. When I use the search window and select "Custom Range" but do not select anything for the custom range I get a fatal exception. Thanks for all the great work done on this project! Jacob From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 20:05:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jacob Daniel) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:05:44 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <200204231719.07969.mg.pub@gmx.net>; from mg.pub@gmx.net on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200 References: <3CC57866.9060201@bitmead.com> <200204231719.07969.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20020423160544.B469@browser.net> I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: > > I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish > > I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" > > for example. > > You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. > > Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 10:03:23 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Bitmead) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:03:23 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching References: <3CC57866.9060201@bitmead.com> <200204231719.07969.mg.pub@gmx.net> <20020423160544.B469@browser.net> Message-ID: <3CC682EB.6060905@bitmead.com> Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible reader. And the ability to search for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? Jacob Daniel wrote: >I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. > >On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: > >>>I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish >>>I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" >>>for example. >>> >>You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. >> >>Martin >> From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 17:07:55 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Clyde PRICE) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:07:55 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] NASB Module Error References: <1018619276.3cb6e58cb7bcf@webmail.namezero.com> Message-ID: <3CC6E66B.2DDC102B@bellsouth.net> Dan, I checked the NASB95 at hand, and found that this verse is exactly as you supplied. --Clyde Dan Bertles wrote: > > NASB 1 Cor 9:27 "but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after > I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified." > > This is not the NASB version. I think the NASB95 is wrong too. -- Clyde C. PRICE, Jr. h-678-393-1782, m-678-491-0469 reply to: Founder & President, the Christian Digital Library Foundation To learn more write . CDLF is looking for Scribes, Eager Readers, and other friends to enjoy, distribute, and produce digital Christian books and other resources to build up the Body of Christ. Vice President, Parakletos Ministries Inc. PM seeks to support the ministries of local churches in building evangelizing Kingdom-seeking disciples. Box 214, Suite 205 11770 Haynes Bridge Rd. Alpharetta, GA 30004 USA From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 17:58:43 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:58:43 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] current iso - critical bug Message-ID: <200204241958.43377.mg.pub@gmx.net> Hello, I downloaded and burned the current iso. When I select "Run from CD-Rom", BibleCS comes up without modules. Installmgr can find them on the cd (after setting the local path!), install them, but they will not show up as installed! BibleCS will then come up empty again. Is this my fault? I suggest that the image be fixed and updated. Troy, this makes the current pressed stack almost unusable (if not my error)! Sorry. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:17:09 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:17:09 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] current iso - critical bug In-Reply-To: <200204241958.43377.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: This is correct. We knew about this error before the pressing, but it's a short run. You have to actually install BibleCS to a hard drive. --Chris On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 10:58 AM, Martin Gruner wrote: > Hello, > > I downloaded and burned the current iso. When I select "Run from > CD-Rom", > BibleCS comes up without modules. Installmgr can find them on the cd > (after > setting the local path!), install them, but they will not show up as > installed! BibleCS will then come up empty again. > > Is this my fault? I suggest that the image be fixed and updated. Troy, > this > makes the current pressed stack almost unusable (if not my error)! > Sorry. > > Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:19:31 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:19:31 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <3CC682EB.6060905@bitmead.com> Message-ID: We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial for the FAQ? --Chris On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:03 AM, Chris Bitmead wrote: > Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible > reader. And the ability to search > for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? > > Jacob Daniel wrote: > >> I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: >> >>>> I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish >>>> I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" >>>> for example. >>>> >>> You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. >>> >>> Martin >>> > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:23:35 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:23:35 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] prn2sword for german locale? In-Reply-To: <200204202207.g3KM7XI32658@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <8931340C-57C9-11D6-8556-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> Joachim- I'm happy to hear you found a solution, but prn2sword really should have worked. There might have been a change in the OLB format since the last time I updated prn2sword, so I will check into it. --Chris On Saturday, April 20, 2002, at 03:02 PM, Joachim Ansorg wrote: > I got it working. I made a commandline version of prn2sword of it to > work on > linux and it worked! Somehow the windows version did not work. > > I'll upload the Elberfelder 1871 module when I have a working account. > > Joachim > >> Chris, >> I'm trying to create a GerElb1871 module for Sword. I extraceted the >> text >> >>> from the Olb module by printing the verselist as explained in the >>> prn2sword >> >> program. >> >> But since the module is a german one german book names are used in the >> outputfile. I think prn2swiord can't handle this. Is there a way to >> create >> a module using the german book names? I'd be really glad about this. >> >> Thank you for your patience, >> Joachim From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:29:07 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:29:07 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Gimme something to do In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4F18F7C5-57CA-11D6-8556-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> Welcome Perry! What aspects of Sword interest you? We have a Java port still in its early stages and lots of work to do in the C++ library (new search drivers, new module drivers, etc.). I suppose where you can best help out depends mostly on your interests & expertise. Troy might have some projects in mind that need work, but he's in Rome at the moment . --Chris On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 02:07 PM, Ross, Perry wrote: > Hi all. I've been lurking for a week or so, trying to get an idea of > what's going on before posting, > but the list seems kinda quiet right now. Anyhow, I was hoping to find > something to help with, > but I'm not real picky. I've been writing c++ for nearly a decade, and > Java for a year or so (but it's > seemed like a decade :-). My home box has 98SE, 2000pro and debian > linux, and I suppose I > could load Solaris too, if anyone cares. I'm no good at writing gui's, > I usually end up on the back > end, but hey, whatever. If you can use some help, gimme a yell. > > -- Perry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:30:22 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:30:22 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Bug: In-Reply-To: <000001c1e935$6c8923f0$6401a8c0@xp888> Message-ID: <7BA9307F-57CA-11D6-8556-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> --Apple-Mail-1-574433078 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Yes, beta modules may only be downloaded via FTP (or with InstallMgr). =20= Fixing the webpage download is on my todo list. --Chris On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 06:06 AM, Mario Valente wrote: > Hi, > > =A0 > > I can=92t seem to download any Tester beta modules-addins from the=20 > developer website. > > For example when trying to download any in the bible texts, it returns=20= > with an error message that it is not available. > > Is there anything else that must be done to download any beta modules? > > =A0 > > With much agape in Christ, > > Mario > --Apple-Mail-1-574433078 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Yes, beta modules may only be downloaded via FTP (or with InstallMgr).=20= Fixing the webpage download is on my todo list. --Chris On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 06:06 AM, Mario Valente wrote: = ArialHi, Arial=A0 ArialI can=92t seem to download any Tester beta modules-addins from the developer = website. ArialFor example when trying to download any in the bible texts, it returns with an error message that it is not available. ArialIs there anything else that must be done to download any beta modules? Arial=A0 ArialWith much agape in = Christ, ArialMario = --Apple-Mail-1-574433078-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:31:53 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:31:53 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] maps, charts in the plan for SWORD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Troy added an image support protocol to the library in 1.5.3, but at the moment their are neither modules nor frontends that use it. So it's in the plan to be handled soon. No plans for multimedia, but we could think about handling them in a similar fashion. --Chris On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 04:26 AM, Steve Tang wrote: > One of the good features of web browsers is that they can use helpers to > accomodate other applications. Does anyone know if we are heading in > that > direction to support graphics and/or multimedia? > > Steve Tang... > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:48:21 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 24 Apr 2002 15:48:21 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019684902.13199.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well, With all the prospective users I know, not even a 2-hour class on regular expressions would do the trick. Seriously, is our target computer-savvy users or Christians that happen to use a computer? I do not claim to know the answer, but the answer to this question should dictate the solution. Jorge On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 15:19, Chris Little wrote: > We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about > regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial > for the FAQ? > > --Chris > > On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:03 AM, Chris Bitmead wrote: > > > Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible > > reader. And the ability to search > > for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? > > > > Jacob Daniel wrote: > > > >> I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: > >> > >>>> I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish > >>>> I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" > >>>> for example. > >>>> > >>> You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. > >>> > >>> Martin > >>> > > > > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 22:47:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Trotz) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:47:27 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching References: <1019684902.13199.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <002401c1ebe2$0316b2c0$0100007f@localhost> Perhaps we could create a "complex search" wizard that makes complex searches within Sword for Windows easier to create with several steps in "wizard" format. But for now I think this would be a 2.0 issue and 2.0 isn't here yet? :) Hint hint. David Trotz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Chacon" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Sword Searching > Well, > > With all the prospective users I know, not even a 2-hour class on > regular expressions would do the trick. > > Seriously, is our target computer-savvy users or Christians that happen > to use a computer? I do not claim to know the answer, but the answer to > this question should dictate the solution. > > Jorge > > > On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 15:19, Chris Little wrote: > > We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about > > regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial > > for the FAQ? > > > > --Chris > > > > On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:03 AM, Chris Bitmead wrote: > > > > > Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible > > > reader. And the ability to search > > > for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? > > > > > > Jacob Daniel wrote: > > > > > >> I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. > > >> > > >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: > > >> > > >>>> I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish > > >>>> I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" > > >>>> for example. > > >>>> > > >>> You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. > > >>> > > >>> Martin > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 22:51:28 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Burry) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:51:28 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <1019684902.13199.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020424153413.0311ccf0@130.248.127.106> In most open source projects I've seen, people primarily write free code because they want to use it, the fact that others may (or may not) find it useful too is secondary. It seems to be a natural thing that open source in general fosters among the selfish human race. It's not as bad here as we all seem to have more of a "missionary" spirit, but it's still a lot of work to code, so I know I need to get really excited about something before I'll dive headlong into it (and if you're already more excited about it than me then you'll likely beat me to it). Does that help explain some? Dave At 03:48 PM 4/24/2002 -0600, Jorge Chacon wrote: >Well, > >With all the prospective users I know, not even a 2-hour class on >regular expressions would do the trick. > >Seriously, is our target computer-savvy users or Christians that happen >to use a computer? I do not claim to know the answer, but the answer to >this question should dictate the solution. > >Jorge > > >On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 15:19, Chris Little wrote: >> We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about >> regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial >> for the FAQ? >> >> --Chris >> >> On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:03 AM, Chris Bitmead wrote: >> >> > Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible >> > reader. And the ability to search >> > for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? >> > >> > Jacob Daniel wrote: >> > >> >> I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: >> >> >> >>>> I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish >> >>>> I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" >> >>>> for example. >> >>>> >> >>> You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. >> >>> >> >>> Martin >> >>> >> > >> >> From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 22:50:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:50:44 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: References: <3CC682EB.6060905@bitmead.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020424154549.00a2eea0@mail.dancris.com> At 02:19 PM 4/24/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about >regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial >for the FAQ? > >--Chris In BibleCS Go to: Help/Contents/HowToSearch/SearchingForExactWords And also, Help/Contents/SearchWindow/RegularExpressions. Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 23:29:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 24 Apr 2002 17:29:34 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <002401c1ebe2$0316b2c0$0100007f@localhost> References: <1019684902.13199.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002401c1ebe2$0316b2c0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <1019690975.2080.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think that might be a lot easier on users, yes. I mean, I do not mind a regexp search, but trying to teach my pastor how to do one is a whole different ballgame Jorge On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 16:47, David Trotz wrote: > Perhaps we could create a "complex search" wizard that makes complex > searches within Sword for Windows easier to create with several steps in > "wizard" format. But for now I think this would be a 2.0 issue and 2.0 isn't > here yet? :) Hint hint. > David Trotz > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 01:14:28 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:14:28 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <002401c1ebe2$0316b2c0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <001401c1ebf6$8c374880$0700000a@DIASPORA> > -----Original Message----- > Perhaps we could create a "complex search" wizard that makes > complex searches within Sword for Windows easier to create > with several steps in "wizard" format. But for now I think > this would be a 2.0 issue and 2.0 isn't here yet? :) Hint > hint. David Trotz Who are you hint hinting to? You're the BibleCS pumpkinholder, or didn't you realize that? --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 03:36:36 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 24 Apr 2002 21:36:36 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Spanish NVI module broken? Message-ID: <1019705817.2014.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Is the SpaNVI module broken? In the site there is a 1KB "errata" file instead of the old testament files. Jorge From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 09:43:22 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:43:22 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <001401c1ebf6$8c374880$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <001401c1ebf6$8c374880$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <200204251143.23055.mg.pub@gmx.net> > Who are you hint hinting to? You're the BibleCS pumpkinholder, or > didn't you realize that? Good point. David, may I suggest (fitting to what you might expect from me ;) that the already existing sf page (http://sf.net/projects/biblecs) be used to coordinate the development? Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 09:45:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:45:27 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] current iso - critical bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204251145.27953.mg.pub@gmx.net> > This is correct. We knew about this error before the pressing, but it's > a short run. You have to actually install BibleCS to a hard drive. > > Installmgr can find them on the cd (after > > setting the local path!), install them, but they will not show up as > > installed! BibleCS will then come up empty again. As already pointed out, BibleCS will not find them, even if it is installed on the disk, and the modules installed as well. Installmgr will always have the list of installed modules empty, even after installing some. Now that _is_ a problem. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 12:37:29 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joshua Holman) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:37:29 -1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Bug: In-Reply-To: <7BA9307F-57CA-11D6-8556-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000301c1ec55$fa78f190$884a4140@JoshPC> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1EC02.28CCE190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Does BETA modules mean locked modules? I've wanted to try the NAS95 and NRSV with the Win32 frontend. Joshua -----Original Message----- From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Bug: Yes, beta modules may only be downloaded via FTP (or with InstallMgr). Fixing the webpage download is on my todo list. --Chris On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 06:06 AM, Mario Valente wrote: Hi, I can't seem to download any Tester beta modules-addins from the developer website. For example when trying to download any in the bible texts, it returns with an error message that it is not available. Is there anything else that must be done to download any beta modules? With much agape in Christ, Mario ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1EC02.28CCE190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chris, =

 

Does BETA = modules mean locked modules? I’ve wanted to try the NAS95 and = NRSV with the Win32 frontend.

 

Joshua

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] = On Behalf Of Chris Little
Sent: Wednesday, April = 24, 2002 11:30 AM
To: = sword-devel@crosswire.org
Subject: Re: = [sword-devel] Bug:

 

Yes, beta modules may only be downloaded via = FTP (or with InstallMgr). Fixing the webpage download is on my todo list.

--Chris

On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 06:06 AM, Mario Valente = wrote:

Hi,

 

I can’t seem to download any = Tester beta modules-addins from the developer website.

For example when trying to download = any in the bible texts, it returns with an error message that it is not = available.

Is there anything else that must be = done to download any beta modules?

 

With much agape in Christ,

Mario

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1EC02.28CCE190-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 14:43:15 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Bitmead) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:43:15 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020424153413.0311ccf0@130.248.127.106> Message-ID: <3CC81603.6000302@bitmead.com> Well if \bword\b is actually a solution, then presumably coding up an "exact word match" option should be easy. Just substitute the \b before each word and call the regexp code. Actually I thought I was pretty expert in regexps, but I havn't heard of \b. David Burry wrote: >In most open source projects I've seen, people primarily write free code because they want to use it, the fact that others may (or may not) find it useful too is secondary. It seems to be a natural thing that open source in general fosters among the selfish human race. It's not as bad here as we all seem to have more of a "missionary" spirit, but it's still a lot of work to code, so I know I need to get really excited about something before I'll dive headlong into it (and if you're already more excited about it than me then you'll likely beat me to it). Does that help explain some? > >Dave > > >At 03:48 PM 4/24/2002 -0600, Jorge Chacon wrote: > >>Well, >> >>With all the prospective users I know, not even a 2-hour class on >>regular expressions would do the trick. >> >>Seriously, is our target computer-savvy users or Christians that happen >>to use a computer? I do not claim to know the answer, but the answer to >>this question should dictate the solution. >> >>Jorge >> >> >>On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 15:19, Chris Little wrote: >> >>>We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about >>>regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial >>>for the FAQ? >>> >>>--Chris >>> >>>On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:03 AM, Chris Bitmead wrote: >>> >>>>Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible >>>>reader. And the ability to search >>>>for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? >>>> >>>>Jacob Daniel wrote: >>>> >>>>>I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish >>>>>>>I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" >>>>>>>for example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. >>>>>> >>>>>>Martin >>>>>> >>> From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 27 11:52:20 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Steve Tang) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 05:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [sword-devel] windoze addld & addvs Message-ID: Does anyone have these utilities for windoze? Steve Tang... From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 28 19:49:05 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:49:05 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Some BibleCS and Bibletime Questions Message-ID: <200204281549.06309.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Ok, I really like the Bibletime interface and many of it's features (especially in the search area) and would like to see them in the or a windows client. I'd be happy to contribute to BibleCS, except I'm not a C/C++ programmer, just a pathetic perl and Delph/Kylix hacker. Anything I could do to help? Oh yeah, I also tried subscribing to the bt-devel list but never got approved, who's department is that? -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 06:42:00 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:42:00 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Personal Comentary Location Message-ID: <200204290242.01283.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> I run a dual boot system and have my sword modules on the windows partition (since it's currently the bigger one) but would like to be able to have per user personal commentary on my *nix partiton. but still have a personal commentary for windows too. Is this possible in the curren codebase (release or cvs)? And if it isn't, what is the biggest hinderance? I don't have C/C++ skills but I'm good at figuring out how stuff works and how to fix it. -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 11:00:23 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Steve Tang) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Re: windoze addld & addvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please ignore previous post. 1.5.3 compiled on cygwin for me for some reason. I've had no luck a few times before with linux and cygwin. With addld, I've put together a English-to-Strong's dictionary module. Let me know if anyone is interested. Steve Tang... From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 13:14:53 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 29 Apr 2002 07:14:53 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Tester modules Message-ID: <1020086094.24184.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> God bless us all, I FTP-downloaded and installed the Spanish tester-only modules (to make sure they work on GnomeSword 0.72 and to check they do not have strange codes in them as the freely-available Valera New Testament does), but every time I click the tab of one of them the program crashes with a segmentation fault. I must have done something wrong, so any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jorge Chacón From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 11:53:51 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:53:51 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Personal Comentary Location In-Reply-To: <200204290242.01283.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <3CCD425F.2964.2D34EF@localhost> Yes, it is possible with 1.5.3 or CVS. Put the personal commentary under ~/.sword for any user that wants it. To avoid confusion you should to rename the main 'personal' module to something else like 'group' by renaming the personal.conf file to something else and rename the data paths and things. If you want to have personal modules on a per user basis under windows as well, I think you might be able to store the modules under $HOME\.sword but I can't say for sure offhand. hth, Daniel On 29 Apr 2002 at 2:42, David's Mailing List and Spam sent forth the message: > I run a dual boot system and have my sword modules on the windows partition > (since it's currently the bigger one) but would like to be able to have per > user personal commentary on my *nix partiton. but still have a personal > commentary for windows too. Is this possible in the curren codebase (release > or cvs)? And if it isn't, what is the biggest hinderance? I don't have C/C++ > skills but I'm good at figuring out how stuff works and how to fix it. > -- > David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver > Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 18:12:36 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Terry Biggs) Date: 29 Apr 2002 14:12:36 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Tester modules In-Reply-To: <1020086094.24184.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1020086094.24184.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1020103958.11325.3.camel@office> On Mon, 2002-04-29 at 09:14, Jorge Chacon wrote: > God bless us all, > > I FTP-downloaded and installed the Spanish tester-only modules (to make > sure they work on GnomeSword 0.72 and to check they do not have strange > codes in them as the freely-available Valera New Testament does), but > every time I click the tab of one of them the program crashes with a > segmentation fault. > have you added the the cipher key to the .conf file for the modules causing the problem? There is a bug in gnomesword that caused a crash when an unlocked module is displayed. > I must have done something wrong, so any help on the matter would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > Jorge Chacón > > > > > > -- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 18:24:32 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:24:32 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Tester modules In-Reply-To: <1020103958.11325.3.camel@office> References: <1020086094.24184.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1020103958.11325.3.camel@office> Message-ID: <200204292024.32291.mg.pub@gmx.net> > have you added the the cipher key to the .conf file for the modules > causing the problem? There is a bug in gnomesword that caused a crash > when an unlocked module is displayed. Actually I think this might be a sword bug, as I already pointed out here. The filters for text retrieving seem to cause crashes in certain situations, which can occur with the almost-random text of an encrypted module. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 20:36:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Chac=F3n?=) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:36:26 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Tester modules In-Reply-To: <1020103958.11325.3.camel@office> Message-ID: Thanks all for answering. have you added the the cipher key to the .conf file for the modules causing the problem? There is a bug in gnomesword that caused a crash when an unlocked module is displayed. No, I have not. Where can I get them? Thanks and God bless, Jorge From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 20:54:38 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:54:38 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.2beta2 -- testers wanted Message-ID: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> I just released 1.2beta2 of BibleTime, the last beta version before 1.2 final. Everybody who is interested in a clean version 1.2 for KDE 3, plus able and willing to test, please download the sources and install & test it. You find it at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=954. Thanks. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 30 00:09:29 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:09:29 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.2beta2 -- testers wanted In-Reply-To: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200204292009.30342.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> On Monday 29 April 2002 04:54 pm, Martin Gruner wrote: <>< I just released 1.2beta2 of BibleTime, the last beta version before 1.2 final. <>< Everybody who is interested in a clean version 1.2 for KDE 3, plus able and <>< willing to test, please download the sources and install & test it. You find <>< it at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=954. <>< Neat, do bookmarks and hilighting and copying sections of modules work yet? Or will that be in the next beta? (it isn't in the cvs that I got the other day) -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 30 05:58:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:58:26 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.2beta2 -- testers wanted In-Reply-To: <200204292009.30342.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> References: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200204292009.30342.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <200204300758.26876.mg.pub@gmx.net> > Neat, do bookmarks and hilighting and copying sections of modules work yet? > Or will that be in the next beta? (it isn't in the cvs that I got the other > day) Please explain what you are referring to. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 30 18:04:06 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:04:06 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.2beta2 -- testers wanted In-Reply-To: <200204300758.26876.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200204292009.30342.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> <200204300758.26876.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200204301404.06530.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> On Tuesday 30 April 2002 01:58 am, Martin Gruner wrote: <>< > Neat, do bookmarks and hilighting and copying sections of modules work yet? <>< > Or will that be in the next beta? (it isn't in the cvs that I got the other <>< > day) <>< <>< Please explain what you are referring to. Ok, as far as I know there currently isn't a way to add new bookmarks, just import existing ones. Also, right clicking in the index and creating a new folder just creates a folder named test that I can't do anything with. As for copying, I can't seem to select a section of text to copy or save or whatever. The most I can do is double click on a word to select it. -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 30 18:43:49 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:43:49 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.2beta2 -- testers wanted In-Reply-To: <200204301404.06530.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> References: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200204300758.26876.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200204301404.06530.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <200204302043.49276.mg.pub@gmx.net> I am almost sure that you don't have the 1.2beta2 files. > Ok, as far as I know there currently isn't a way to add new bookmarks, just > import existing ones. Also, right clicking in the index and creating a new > folder just creates a folder named test that I can't do anything with. You can create folders, name them. Drag a versenumber there to create a bookmark. You can click and drag bookmarks into display windows. Hint: drag one in the editor of the personal commentary -> text gets inserted. > As for copying, I can't seem to select a section of text to copy or save or > whatever. The most I can do is double click on a word to select it. Works in 1.2beta2. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 30 22:21:23 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Victor Porton) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 04:21:23 +0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Module contents Message-ID: Why SWModule::getRawEntry returns char*? A module may have to say images as its elements and so void* would seem to be more appropriate. Can I use this for returning (casted to char*) a pointer to something different from text string? I need this because I am creating a module which includes "submodules" (every entry of a module is itself a complex data structure and can be considered as a module). Any thoughts? -- Victor Porton (porton@narod.ru) From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 04:20:52 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:20:52 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.3 is out In-Reply-To: <200203312152.g2VLqwI31961@www.crosswire.org> References: <200203311848.g2VImOI30429@www.crosswire.org> <200203311909.g2VJ9KI30654@www.crosswire.org> <200203312152.g2VLqwI31961@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <200204010427.g314RrI01057@www.crosswire.org> On Sunday 31 March 2002 04:48 pm, you wrote: <>< Expect beta2 monday. The final 1.1 may take some more time because I have to <>< do my military service from Monday on. Martin took over some more <>< responibility of BibleTime. This is great! Ok, well I'm using beta2 from cvs anyway (I can't compile beta1 because my distro is poo) <>< Sorry that I can't give an exact release date of 1.1, but we hope it's soon <>< since almost all known bugs are fixed. Oh, understood completely. I'd love to help but I'm mostly a shell scripter and php/web guy and even then I've not done very many advanced prompts. BTW is there a bibletime mailinglist this should be going to? <>< See http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=954 for information how to checkout <>< anonymous. Use "cvs co bibletime-doc" to get the bibletime-doc module. I thought I'd tried that one. I'll try again tonight. <>< See <>< http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/bibletime/bibletim e-doc/docs/en/handbook/html/hdbk-config-bt.html#hdbk-config-bt-fonts <>< for some more info on this. It's the handbook of 1.1beta2 :) <>< Let me know if it works, Already went there, that's how I discovered the problem but I'll read more indepth and try some stuff and email in some results. -- David's Mailing-list and spam reciever. Keeping me (mostly) spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 10:06:29 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 02:06:29 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Crosswire site Message-ID: <000401c1d964$e49bb050$0f01a8c0@didymus> http://www.crosswire.org/index.jsp has a new Feature of the Month. This is not a test. This is not a drill. This is not an April Fool's joke. Martin: You can quit complaining now, at least for one month. :) --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 05:40:20 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:40:20 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Look Up! (Mac OS X) Message-ID: --Boundary_(ID_z7IyGavOVJFPZ5XeP/3W2Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The very early stages of a Mac OS X client for Sword can be found on my iDisk. There is a disk image with the binaries as well as a screen shot. Lookup Alpha 1 http://homepage.mac.com/nathany/ Password is devonly Please do not distribute these files or password beyond the sword list. Thanks. Basically it allows lookups by book/chapter/verse in the KJV Bible (included). The chapter and verse fields are limited based on the book selected and properly ignore non-numeric input. I spent most of my time on that, so the text displayed is just a single verse in raw format. Most menu options don't really work, just ignore all that stuff for now :-). - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: sword at nathany.com Web: http://nathany.com --Boundary_(ID_z7IyGavOVJFPZ5XeP/3W2Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Look Up! (Mac OS X)

The very early stages of a Mac OS X client for Sword can be found on my iDisk. There is a disk image with the binaries as well as a screen shot.

Lookup Alpha 1
http://homepage.mac.com/nathany/
Password is devonly
Please do not distribute these files or password beyond the sword list. Thanks.

Basically it allows lookups by book/chapter/verse in the KJV Bible (included). The chapter and verse fields are limited based on the book selected and properly ignore non-numeric input. I spent most of my time on that, so the text displayed is just a single verse in raw format.

Most menu options don't really work, just ignore all that stuff for now :-).

- n8

--
Nathan Youngman
E-mail: sword at nathany.com
Web: http://nathany.com
--Boundary_(ID_z7IyGavOVJFPZ5XeP/3W2Q)-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 09:05:24 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Brook Humphrey) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:05:24 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword what language? Message-ID: <200204011600.g31G0UI04382@www.crosswire.org> Forgive my ignorance but what language is sword done in c or c++. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 16:08:12 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:08:12 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword what language? In-Reply-To: <200204011600.g31G0UI04382@www.crosswire.org> References: <200204011600.g31G0UI04382@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <200204011614.g31GEOI04453@www.crosswire.org> Am Montag, 1. April 2002 11:05 schrieben Sie: > Forgive my ignorance but what language is sword done in c or c++. The latter. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 16:13:09 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Sven Vollbehr) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:13:09 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword what language? References: <200204011600.g31G0UI04382@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <3CA88715.6040505@iki.fi> Brook Humphrey wrote: > Forgive my ignorance but what language is sword done in c or c++. It's written in C++. -- Sven Vollbehr. I don't know what this block of code does. It seems to serve no purpose, but if I remove it, the program stops working. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 18:22:19 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:22:19 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Look Up! (Mac OS X) References: Message-ID: <3CA8A55B.A257B97@crosswire.org> Whooohoooo. Our first peek into the worlds of Aqua! Nice work. Nathan Youngman wrote: > > The very early stages of a Mac OS X client for Sword can be found on > my iDisk. There is a disk image with the binaries as well as a screen > shot. > > Lookup Alpha 1 > http://homepage.mac.com/nathany/ > Password is devonly > Please do not distribute these files or password beyond the sword > list. Thanks. > > Basically it allows lookups by book/chapter/verse in the KJV Bible > (included). The chapter and verse fields are limited based on the book > selected and properly ignore non-numeric input. I spent most of my > time on that, so the text displayed is just a single verse in raw > format. > > Most menu options don't really work, just ignore all that stuff for > now :-). > > - n8 > > -- > > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: sword at nathany.com > Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 19:08:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:08:26 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted In-Reply-To: <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> Message-ID: >Here's how you'd do it with the books member: > >VerseKey key = "jn1:1"; > >key.books[key.Testament()-1][key.Book()-1].name; I'm using this method to get the number of chapters and verses for limiting entries in my interface. Would be nice to have methods for those. It also worries me a bit - because this method has no reference to a particular module. Assuming this information is always the same, I suppose it isn't a big deal. - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 20:21:37 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 13:21:37 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> Nathan, Alternative to using books to get chapmax, versemax might be: VerseKey *key = (VerseKey *)kjvmod.CreateKey(); (*key) = TOP; while (!key->Error()) { cout << "Book: " << key->getBookName() << endl; (*key) = MAXCHAPTER; int chaps = key->Chapters(); cout << "Total Chapters: " << chaps; for (int i = 1; i <= chaps; i++) { key->Chapter(i); (*key) = MAXVERSE; cout << "\tChapter " << i << "has " << key->Verse() << " total verses." << endl; } key->Book(key->Book()+1); } delete key; All VerseKey modules have same data currently, but this might change soon, so the kjvmod.CreateKey() to get a module specific key should give you the correct data for the module even in the future. Nathan wrote: > > >Here's how you'd do it with the books member: > > > >VerseKey key = "jn1:1"; > > > >key.books[key.Testament()-1][key.Book()-1].name; > > I'm using this method to get the number of chapters and verses for > limiting entries in my interface. Would be nice to have methods for > those. > > It also worries me a bit - because this method has no reference to a > particular module. Assuming this information is always the same, I > suppose it isn't a big deal. > > - n8 > > -- > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: nathany at mac.com > Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 20:50:11 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:50:11 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted In-Reply-To: <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> Message-ID: Oh. Hm. That looks like a lot of code. I currently go like this: -) VerseKey key = [bookName cString]; maxChapters = key.books[key.Testament()-1][key.Book()-1].chapmax; So I should use CreateKey: VerseKey *key = (VerseKey *)kjvmod.CreateKey(); then some SetKey() function to set the book. then my maxChapters code then delete the key. Or, I suppose I could set the key to MAXCHAPTER and then get what it is with Chapters() like you do. (Except I'm only grabbing info on one at a time). But it would be kind of nice to have a MaxChapters() method in the API, don't you think :-). Now - if I understand correctly - the module doesn't control the locale used by getBookName() - but I can specify the the locale in the key I create, and I can retrieve the locale used by the module - depending if the user wants the interface text to match the module in use, or use their system-wide preferences. Naturally I encapsulated the code I need in a SwordBible Objective-C class - so it's pretty easy to change things like how maximum chapter counts are retrieved. - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 21:10:00 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 14:10:00 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <3CA8CCA8.BCA7AB6@crosswire.org> > Oh. Hm. That looks like a lot of code. I currently go like this: -) > > VerseKey key = [bookName cString]; > maxChapters = key.books[key.Testament()-1][key.Book()-1].chapmax; > > So I should use CreateKey: > VerseKey *key = (VerseKey *)kjvmod.CreateKey(); > then some SetKey() function to set the book. > then my maxChapters code > then delete the key. > > Or, I suppose I could set the key to MAXCHAPTER and then get what it > is with Chapters() like you do. (Except I'm only grabbing info on one > at a time). > > But it would be kind of nice to have a MaxChapters() method in the > API, don't you think :-). Ok, point taken :) look for it in CVS soon. > Now - if I understand correctly - the module doesn't control the > locale used by getBookName() - but I can specify the the locale in > the key I create, and I can retrieve the locale used by the module - > depending if the user wants the interface text to match the module in > use, or use their system-wide preferences. Yeah, the logic for this was that I probably don't want Hebrew book names in BHS or Greek book names in TR. Some users might, but my hunch is that the majority of them will not. Locales are mostly used appWide with something like: LocalMgr::systemLocalMgr.setDefaultLocaleName("de"); after a call like this, all new objects will obtain a 'de' locale. (this is usually done at the very beginning of an app to set to a user preferred locale). > Naturally I encapsulated the code I need in a SwordBible Objective-C > class - so it's pretty easy to change things like how maximum chapter > counts are retrieved. > > - n8 > > -- > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: nathany at mac.com > Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 21:53:42 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:53:42 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted (OT) In-Reply-To: <3CA8CCA8.BCA7AB6@crosswire.org> References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> <3CA8CCA8.BCA7AB6@crosswire.org> Message-ID: What format would MaxChapters() be in? module.MaxChapters(some params); But would it take a VerseKey still, or use a bookname/number? Assumably the locale won't affect the values returned. If it is just versekey.MaxChapters() then it only saves the *key = MAXCHAPTER bit. Seems that VerseKey key; should be deprecated in favour of module.CreateKey. But then a SetKey is also necessary. module.CreateVerseKey or VerseKey key(module) might be handy. Anyway, the amount of code isn't too big of a deal - I'm sure there isn't much overhead in *key = MAXCHAPTER :-). - n8 >Ok, point taken :) look for it in CVS soon. > > >Yeah, the logic for this was that I probably don't want Hebrew book >names in BHS or Greek book names in TR. Some users might, but my hunch >is that the majority of them will not. Locales are mostly used appWide >with something like: >LocalMgr::systemLocalMgr.setDefaultLocaleName("de"); > >after a call like this, all new objects will obtain a 'de' locale. (this >is usually done at the very beginning of an app to set to a user >preferred locale). > -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 22:02:52 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:02:52 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted In-Reply-To: <3CA8CCA8.BCA7AB6@crosswire.org> References: <001101c1d82e$3b8742e0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <3CA63445.3914ED3D@crosswire.org> <3CA8C151.20C35BF2@crosswire.org> <3CA8CCA8.BCA7AB6@crosswire.org> Message-ID: By the way, I work for a company that does library automation. I'm just a web guy but there are people here that know a lot about searching stuff. There was a GPLed search engine that was evaluated here in the past that was quite fast and powerful. I don't recall the name, but hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to talk to the person that does. It was in Java - so it may be more useful for JSword. For me it doesn't matter too much - I'm using Objective-C++ to write wrappers for the C++ code in Sword, but I could just as easily (I hope:) use the Java Bridge to access the JSword API. As you may know, every copy of Mac OS X comes with J2SE installed. Anyway, I'll try to find out what searching code is out there that could be used. That doesn't necessarily mean I will implement it - not really my area. - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 22:17:37 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:17:37 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] sword license questions Message-ID: My Look up app for OS X certainly isn't ready for public consumption. Part of that is getting the right license information and stuff bundled with the program. If I understand correctly, GPL allows me to do what I want with the client I'm writing - I can Copyright it to myself, keep my source to myself, and even commercialize it. But if I modify the API, I need to submit those changes back. Or am I thinking LGPL or something? I'd like to get this cleared up, not that I necessarily intend to commercialize my client or anything :-). The only value I can see in a commercial client would be if it came with some of the locked texts, and the sale could pay the licenses so that could happen. Reselling the actual texts makes sense to me, but I'm not sure how well that would go over. Btw, if anyone would like the Lookup source code, I have a small .sit file with the Project Builder project and such, but it requires libsword.a and the include/ folder from Sword API 1.5.3. At this time I'm not really interested in splitting up coding of the client itself (and the management that comes with that), but code reviews and bug/patch submissions are certainly welcome. Also, is there a list of people working on this project somewhere? Translations, graphics and all that stuff will be necessary at some point. - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 22:23:23 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:23:23 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] the red letters Message-ID: The next thing I want to look at is formatting the text for each chapter. I looked through the KJV module and didn't find anything to indicate "the red letters." Anything being done on this? It doesn't seem like there is too much formatting, except superscript verse numbers - that shouldn't be too difficult. - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 22:49:41 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:49:41 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] sword license questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020401153721.00a16bb0@mail.dancris.com> At 03:17 PM 4/1/2002 -0700, Nathan wrote: >... >If I understand correctly, GPL allows me to do what I want with the client >I'm writing - I can Copyright it to myself, keep my source to myself, and >even commercialize it. But if I modify the API, I need to submit those >changes back. Or am I thinking LGPL or something? I'd like to get this >cleared up, not that I necessarily intend to commercialize my client or >anything :-) >... As I understand it: One thing you can not do, is use GPL works to make proprietary versions or proprietary derivative works. One thing you must do is provide or make available the source code. These would apply even if you used only a portion of the GPL code, modified or unmodified. But, you can charge as much as you want for GPL works produced by you or anyone. Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 23:11:41 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:11:41 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] the red letters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c1d9d2$95532be0$0700000a@DIASPORA> > The next thing I want to look at is formatting the text for each > chapter. I looked through the KJV module and didn't find anything to > indicate "the red letters." Anything being done on this? > > It doesn't seem like there is too much formatting, except superscript > verse numbers - that shouldn't be too difficult. Try the ISV that is in the beta area for our (I believe) most richly marked text. I don't recall whether the current KJV has words of Jesus in red or not, but Troy is working on a new public domain version of the KJV with Strong's numbers, morphology, and such, and we will be sure to get words of Jesus marked. If there is an HTML widget that you can use for display, you will be happiest in the long run. Images will be making their way into modules soon, along with other markup that we probably won't feel like filtering into RTF or PS or such. Then you can just use the HTMLHREF filters to get nice HTML output from Sword. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 23:22:53 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:22:53 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] sword license questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c1d9d4$2637cd90$0700000a@DIASPORA> > My Look up app for OS X certainly isn't ready for public consumption. > Part of that is getting the right license information and stuff > bundled with the program. > > If I understand correctly, GPL allows me to do what I want with the > client I'm writing - I can Copyright it to myself, keep my source to > myself, and even commercialize it. But if I modify the API, I need to > submit those changes back. Or am I thinking LGPL or something? I'd > like to get this cleared up, not that I necessarily intend to > commercialize my client or anything :-). You're thinking of LGPL. Since Sword is GPL, works that use it must also be GPL-compatible. See a list of acceptable licenses here: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses. You own the copyright to any creative work you have produced, according to the laws of most countries. If you distribute a program that links to the Sword library, you must also make the source code available, according to the GPL. You may sell your work, but you must still make the source code available for free. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 23:27:05 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:27:05 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] sword license questions In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020401153721.00a16bb0@mail.dancris.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20020401153721.00a16bb0@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: Ahh... okay. I was thinking of LGPL (Lesser GPL), which from looking at the Sword license page, it clearly is not. So basically I have to GPL my client if I use the Sword API. I don't really have a problem with releasing my source code, I just need to get the right license information with the program. http://www.crosswire.org/sword/about/license.jsp Now the Copyright statement could be to Crosswire, or it could be to me for the client and Crosswire for the Sword API. Or it could be copyleft I suppose... :) Its good that selling the client (with licensed materials) is still possible. Though by GPLing my client, aren't I also saying that anyone else can sell the client as well? Hm. GPL is a big long license, I haven't actually taken the time to read the whole thing, I prefer something simple like the zlib license. But I guess I should look over it sometime. >At 03:17 PM 4/1/2002 -0700, Nathan wrote: >As I understand it: One thing you can not do, is use GPL works to >make proprietary versions or proprietary derivative works. One thing >you must do is provide or make available the source code. These >would apply even if you used only a portion of the GPL code, >modified or unmodified. But, you can charge as much as you want for >GPL works produced by you or anyone. > >Jerry -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 23:32:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:32:27 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] the red letters In-Reply-To: <000301c1d9d2$95532be0$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <000301c1d9d2$95532be0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: Thanks Chris, I will take a look at ISV. I think I have both RTF and HTML options open to me, but I'm still learning Cocoa so I'm not entirely sure. I could parse the HTML myself if necessary though. Images would be nice, but kind of throw my design a bit. I think they belong in a separate window from the main text stream... so then it would be necessary to parse the HTML anyway, as opposed to just dumping it all in a window. - n8 > > The next thing I want to look at is formatting the text for each >> chapter. I looked through the KJV module and didn't find anything to >> indicate "the red letters." Anything being done on this? >> >> It doesn't seem like there is too much formatting, except superscript >> verse numbers - that shouldn't be too difficult. > >Try the ISV that is in the beta area for our (I believe) most richly >marked text. I don't recall whether the current KJV has words of Jesus >in red or not, but Troy is working on a new public domain version of the >KJV with Strong's numbers, morphology, and such, and we will be sure to >get words of Jesus marked. > >If there is an HTML widget that you can use for display, you will be >happiest in the long run. Images will be making their way into modules >soon, along with other markup that we probably won't feel like filtering >into RTF or PS or such. Then you can just use the HTMLHREF filters to >get nice HTML output from Sword. > >--Chris -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 23:52:06 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:52:06 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] sword license questions In-Reply-To: <000401c1d9d4$2637cd90$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <000401c1d9d4$2637cd90$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: Okay... but my client itself doesn't have to be GPLed? I have to make the source available under one of the compatible licenses. And I don't need to write "GPL" all over my software, right? If the source is available under GPL, do the binaries have to state that? Just curious about this stuff. While I could probably take the modules and knowledge of how Sword works (slowly gaining) and write something from scratch with whatever license I like, I'm not planning to do that. I would certainly like the help of the community to localize the application and of course improve the Sword API (such as searching performance). - n8 >Since Sword is GPL, works that use it must also be GPL-compatible. See >a list of acceptable licenses here: >http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses. > >You own the copyright to any creative work you have produced, according >to the laws of most countries. > >If you distribute a program that links to the Sword library, you must >also make the source code available, according to the GPL. > >You may sell your work, but you must still make the source code >available for free. > >--Chris -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 01:44:21 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:44:21 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] CVS question Message-ID: I noticed that files contain something like this: $Id: versekey.h,v 1.24 2002/03/22 05:26:34 scribe Exp $ I assume CVS updates this text, so should I put something in my files so this will happen if/when they get put into CVS. $Id: Exp $ ? - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 03:22:56 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (James Stauffer) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:22:56 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] CVS question References: Message-ID: <3CA92410.20007@baldwin-telecom.net> $Id$ http://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs_12.html#SEC99 Nathan wrote: > > I noticed that files contain something like this: > > $Id: versekey.h,v 1.24 2002/03/22 05:26:34 scribe Exp $ > > I assume CVS updates this text, so should I put something in my files so > this will happen if/when they get put into CVS. > > $Id: Exp $ > ? > > - n8 > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 03:24:05 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Bobby Nations) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:24:05 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] CVS question References: Message-ID: <3CA92455.4030302@bobbynations.com> Nathan, Yep, you've assumed correctly, that's a CVS keyword. All you need to put in your code is the "$Id$" and CVS will expand out the rest, or you can copy and paste one from anywhere into your code. CVS will replace the relevant portions the next time that you check you code into the repository.. If you're curious, the text that gets put there is the file name, it's revision number, the date/time of the last change to the file, the culprit's (:-) login name and the tag associated with the file. There's lots of info available on CVS at http://www.cvshome.org/docs. The book written by Karl Fogel is just about the best around to get you up and running on it. Many folks assign the keyword to a string variable that can be parsed later on for useful information like so. // // Beware ... Java code follows :-) // public class VersionedClass { public String version="$Id$"; ... } This is particularly useful if you're debugging a product that has gone out the door (i.e. your exchanging emails with poor hapless user) and you need to verify which version of a particular class is in the binary. If you've built in a mechanism for printing out the 'version' variable, then , voila the mystery will be solved. I use this at work for distributed components such as CORBA, EJB's, servlets and cgi programs when I need to debug an installed application that might have been there for some time. BTW, I'm jealous of you being able to work in Mac OS X. Can't wait until I get the money scraped together to get am iMac for myself. What a sweet, sweet little machine, and decently priced for an Apple product. Cheers, Bobby Nathan wrote: > > I noticed that files contain something like this: > > $Id: versekey.h,v 1.24 2002/03/22 05:26:34 scribe Exp $ > > I assume CVS updates this text, so should I put something in my files > so this will happen if/when they get put into CVS. > > $Id: Exp $ > ? > > - n8 > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 12:22:36 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Trevor Jenkins) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:22:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Nathan wrote: > Anyway, I'll try to find out what searching code is out there that > could be used. That doesn't necessarily mean I will implement it - > not really my area. I did a similar search recently. The best I could find was ht://dig (http://www.htdig.org/) where there is an API set providing most of the things I would want. The largest omission as far as I'm concerned is collocation (i.e. word adjacency, within paragraph). It is limited to within "record", which in its primary usage is a web page. A beta of their v3.2 has phrase searching with proximity searching being "added in a future beta". A quick Google search found me Search Tools (http://www.searchtools.com/tools/). It isn't clear which of these are Open Source and which are proprietary. I know that the list is incomplete, for example the proprietary system I use (and which I helped to develop) is not listed. Also there's a further API library (from a french or French/Canadaian University) that isn't listed. [It's possible that I've confused this APIU witht he ht://dig one.] Regards, Trevor British Sign Language is not inarticulate handwaving; it's a living language. Support the campaign for formal recognition by the British government now! Details at http://www.fdp.org.uk/ or http://www.bsl-march.co.uk/ -- <>< Re: deemed! From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 15:19:37 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:19:37 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] bug Message-ID: <200204021525.g32FPoI13131@www.crosswire.org> When I try to open the encrypted (and not unlocked) GERRELB 1.1 module, BibleTime crashes. gdb tells me that this happens in Latin1UTF8::ProcessText(), called from within RawText::getRawEntry(). The filters could need a bit more robustness. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 16:23:51 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Brian Albert) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:23:51 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] BC++Builder Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020402081823.00a01a30@eml.doe.gov> Can someone please give me instructions on how to compile the source code with BC++ Builder 5 after doing an ftp download? I recently upgraded to Builder from Borland C++ 4.5. I'd like to be able to compile the utilities (addvs, vpl2mod, etc) as well. Thanks. Brian Albert Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 16:56:15 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:56:15 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] BC++Builder References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020402081823.00a01a30@eml.doe.gov> Message-ID: <3CA9E2AF.FF8A3566@crosswire.org> Brian, There are .bpg files in the tree that should enable you to compile things. Offhand, I know that there should be a sword/utilities/bcppmake/utilities.bpg There should also be a swordprj.bpg in the sword/apps/windoze/CBuilder5/BibleCS directory, but you may need to install RxLib to compile. Not sure about this-- you want to try without it first. Hope this helps. Looking forward to your contributions! -Troy. Brian Albert wrote: > > Can someone please give me instructions on how to compile the source code > with BC++ Builder 5 after doing an ftp download? I recently upgraded to > Builder from Borland C++ 4.5. I'd like to be able to compile the utilities > (addvs, vpl2mod, etc) as well. > > Thanks. > > Brian Albert > Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 21:07:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:07:34 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On the Java side, the Lucene search engine may be worth looking into: http://jakarta.apache.org/lucene/docs/index.html (also listed on that searchtools.com page) Btw, what is the state of JSword? -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 21:49:40 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:49:40 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] JSword Message-ID: <3CAA2774.3247F653@crosswire.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6CA5A7C60194825B3F92F41A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message bounced. Please send from a subscribed address next time. JSword... OK. Let's start talking about this stuff. There are a number of people that have mentioned that they would like to help out, and I would, at least, like to throw out my thoughts and help facilitate, if not actually help out in the development. Look on the wiki pages (shortly) for more of my thoughts concerning JSword. http://sword.sf.net/wiki --------------6CA5A7C60194825B3F92F41A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: (from mail@localhost) by www.crosswire.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g31FS9H04229; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:28:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:28:09 -0700 From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org Message-Id: <200204011528.g31FS9H04229@www.crosswire.org> X-Authentication-Warning: www.crosswire.org: mail set sender to owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org using -f To: sword-devel-approval@crosswire.org Subject: BOUNCE sword-devel@crosswire.org: Non-member submission from [Keith Ralston ] >From scribe@crosswire.org Mon Apr 1 08:28:08 2002 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by www.crosswire.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g31FS8I04226 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:28:08 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([12.237.99.59]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020401152116.QDFL1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.1.102]> for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:21:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [sword-devel] JAVA: Parser .conf files? From: Keith Ralston To: sword-devel@crosswire.org In-Reply-To: <3CA6409F.C3B1BC3B@crosswire.org> References: <3CA6409F.C3B1BC3B@crosswire.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Apr 2002 09:22:19 -0600 Message-Id: <1017674540.1534.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Speaking of JSword, now that 1.5.3 is out are we ready to discuss the Java project? On Sat, 2002-03-30 at 16:47, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > >> SWConfig is a utility to read/write an INI style file. e.g. > > > > Is there a utility like this for Java? That I can use for the JSP to > > edit .conf files? > > Jonathan, > No, currently the JSword port of SWConfig is read only. There may be a > writable one very soon (Mike Dougherty, did your latest version include > read/write and from multiple sections?) > ---- > > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > To: sword-devel-approval@crosswire.org > Subject: BOUNCE sword-devel@crosswire.org: Non-member submission from [Jonathan Hughes ] > Date: 30 Mar 2002 15:24:27 -0700 > > >From scribe@crosswire.org Sat Mar 30 15:24:27 2002 > Received: from pimout6-int.prodigy.net (pimout6-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.99]) > by www.crosswire.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2UMOQI21752 > for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:24:27 -0700 > Received: from [192.168.1.100] (adsl-63-201-25-99.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net [63.201.25.99]) > by pimout6-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2UMHeh209488 > for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:17:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Parser .conf files? > From: Jonathan Hughes > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > In-Reply-To: <3CA6355A.7F774B1F@crosswire.org> > References: <1017513659.2692.17.camel@laptop.localhost> > <3CA6355A.7F774B1F@crosswire.org> > Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; > boundary="=-BNHNmBaLYyQtuj8o2g79" > X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk > Date: 30 Mar 2002 14:15:38 -0500 > Message-Id: <1017515744.2692.20.camel@laptop.localhost> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > --=-BNHNmBaLYyQtuj8o2g79 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Troy, > > > SWConfig is a utility to read/write an INI style file. e.g. > > Is there a utility like this for Java? That I can use for the JSP to > edit .conf files? > > In Christ, > Jonathan > jhughes@crosswire.org > > > --=-BNHNmBaLYyQtuj8o2g79 > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc > Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQA8pg7afTBeSn3ZBjQRAlGwAJkBFTxB9+4vPjd+ok/F4N58uQkhhwCglpnt > hyKXTHcvZ+YmtHtIvwUgXNo= > =5VD/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --=-BNHNmBaLYyQtuj8o2g79-- --------------6CA5A7C60194825B3F92F41A-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 22:13:35 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Bobby Nations) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:13:35 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Faster searching wanted References: Message-ID: <3CAA2D0F.8060704@bobbynations.com> Nathan, My two cents. JSword is in very, very early stages (pre-alpha) at the moment. There is a separate CVS module dedicated to JSword, but the code is still unusable. Troy began porting the C++ code some time back, and a few folks picked up the ball on it but it hasn't been advanced very far. We were making some progress on it until the servers got hacked and then everyone got busy getting 1.5.3 out the door. I know, I know, excuses, excuses :-| There are discussions ongoing as to the road ahead at the following two places: http://sword.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Jsword/WebHome http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=160106 Take a look at the two URL's above to see if they help you any. Cheers, Bobby Nathan wrote: > > On the Java side, the Lucene search engine may be worth looking into: > http://jakarta.apache.org/lucene/docs/index.html > (also listed on that searchtools.com page) > > Btw, what is the state of JSword? > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 22:33:46 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joe Walker) Date: 02 Apr 2002 23:33:46 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] JSword In-Reply-To: <3CAA2774.3247F653@crosswire.org> References: <3CAA2774.3247F653@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <1017786826.5343.9.camel@tameion.eireneh.com> How about we create a new list for JSword? I think wiki might be a good idea for collaborating on documentation but as we discovered in a previous attempt it is very confusing for discussion. Joe. Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Message bounced. Please send from a subscribed address next time. > > > JSword... OK. Let's start talking about this stuff. There are a > number of people that have mentioned that they would like to help out, > and I would, at least, like to throw out my thoughts and help > facilitate, if not actually help out in the development. > > Look on the wiki pages (shortly) for more of my thoughts concerning > JSword. > > http://sword.sf.net/wiki > ---- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 2 23:26:00 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:26:00 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] JSword References: <3CAA2774.3247F653@crosswire.org> <1017786826.5343.9.camel@tameion.eireneh.com> Message-ID: <3CAA3E08.40C31F05@crosswire.org> Joe Walker wrote: > > How about we create a new list for JSword? > > I think wiki might be a good idea for collaborating on documentation but > as we discovered in a previous attempt it is very confusing for > discussion. Great idea, Joe. Just got it online. To subscribe, send email to: majordomo@crosswire.org with the body of the message containing: subscribe jsword-devel > > Joe. > > Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > > Message bounced. Please send from a subscribed address next time. > > > > > > JSword... OK. Let's start talking about this stuff. There are a > > number of people that have mentioned that they would like to help out, > > and I would, at least, like to throw out my thoughts and help > > facilitate, if not actually help out in the development. > > > > Look on the wiki pages (shortly) for more of my thoughts concerning > > JSword. > > > > http://sword.sf.net/wiki > > ---- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 3 00:21:41 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:21:41 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Lookup Alpha 1 source code (Mac OS X) Message-ID: Source code for Lookup is now on my iDisk. http://homepage.mac.com/nathany/ Password: devonly There hasn't been a whole lot of change to the application. I rearranged some code and added commenting for use by Autodoc (Doxygen doesn't support Objective-C). - n8 -- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 4 04:34:53 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:34:53 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] Example genbooks Message-ID: <001501c1db92$108c1a90$0700000a@DIASPORA> I put 4 genbook examples in the beta area. You can access them by FTP, but they won't show up in InstallMgr yet (soon...). The 4 books are: enumaelish josephus imitation npnf101 The first 2 were created manually, the second 2 were created automatically by thml2gbs. None of them are necessarily in a final state, so let me know if there are huge bugs or unexpected behavior. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 4 23:05:00 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jason Reynolds) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:05:00 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] per Jonathan Hughes suggestion Message-ID: <7760400A7C0A43449997136293F11136055A11@isaiah.insight.org> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Dev list, Jonathan encouraged me to send this to the whole dev list in hopes some of you would kindly respond with comments. I am all ears! 1) I am building community websites for churches. I do it in my spare time for free. I am not a web programmer, but I am technical enough to be able to do Sys admin/ installation type work. We are using the Open-Source software: HTTP://Postnuke.com My first question is....is there a PHP front-end to the sword project? Do you know anyone that would be willing to build one? Is there maybe some other PHP option for interfacing with the diatheke/CLI command line interface. Secondly, how is the sword project software installed for web applications that don't use CGI? For instance, how have people accessed it when running M$ ASP? Does it work much like a flat file database in terms of the front end making calls to it, etc.? Where does all the data go within the web server directory...i.e. will any old host do? 2) This is more of a theory question than anything else. I hope to launch a site by end of the summer called OpenSourceChurch.com It will be a site for the promotion of "free" software and knowledge resources amongst the body of Christ. The focus will not just be within the dev community. My ultimate end goal is to gather together the world's Christian hackers to work on a select number of projects, including: a) A specialized Content Management System distribution (probably based on Postnuke), b) a church/donor management solution (probably based on http://www.compiere.org/ or http://www.gnuenterprise.org/), c) a ministry management solution (using the baseline of an open-source trouble ticket system), and d) some type of web-filtering software (much like "Websense"). All but the last will be web based. I also would like to promote open-source documents and knowledge. I wonder if some of you could share with me a bit of your vision for making various information forms available freely to the global church. Also, how do you think I should position the website and how might I attract the best programmers and project managers for this work? Many thanks in advance for all your comments. I am truly open for this to be whatever it is meant to be! Graciously yours, Jason Reynolds Telecommunications Manager-IT Insight for Living JasonR@Insight.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable per Jonathan Hughes suggestion

Dear Dev list,

Jonathan encouraged me to send this to the whole dev = list in hopes some of you would kindly respond with comments.  I = am all ears!

1)  I am building community websites for = churches.  I do it in my spare time for free.  I am not a web = programmer, but I am technical enough to be able to do Sys admin/ = installation type work.  We are using the Open-Source = software:  HTTP://Postnuke.com 

My first question is....is there a PHP front-end to = the sword project?  Do you know anyone that would be willing to = build one?  Is there maybe some other PHP option for interfacing = with the diatheke/CLI command line interface.  Secondly, how is = the sword project software installed for web applications that don't = use CGI?  For instance, how have people accessed it when running = M$ ASP?  Does it work much like a flat file database in terms of = the front end making calls to it, etc.?  Where does all the data = go within the web server directory...i.e. will any old host = do?

2)  This is more of a theory question than = anything else.  I hope to launch a site by end of the summer = called OpenSourceChurch.com  It will be a site for the promotion = of "free" software and knowledge resources amongst the body = of Christ.  The focus will not just be within the dev = community.  My ultimate end goal is to gather together the world's = Christian hackers to work on a select number of projects, including: =

a)  A specialized Content Management System = distribution (probably based on Postnuke),
b)  a church/donor management solution = (probably based on http://www.compiere.org/ or http://www.gnuenterprise.org/),
c)  a ministry management solution (using the = baseline of an open-source trouble ticket system), and
d)  some type of web-filtering software (much = like "Websense"). 
All but the last will be web based. 

I also would like to promote open-source documents = and knowledge.  I wonder if some of you could share with me a bit = of your vision for making various information forms available freely to = the global church.  Also, how do you think I should position the = website and how might I attract the best programmers and project = managers for this work?

Many thanks in advance for all your comments.  I = am truly open for this to be whatever it is meant to be!


Graciously yours,

Jason Reynolds

Telecommunications Manager-IT
Insight for Living

JasonR@Insight.org

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 5 13:38:39 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Greg Marine) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:38:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sword-devel] per Jonathan Hughes suggestion Message-ID: <20020405133840.217A92755@sitemail.everyone.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1018013919-18119-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason, I would be VERY willing to help you out in any way I am useful. Especially with a PHP front-end to sword (if there isn't one already) and online FREE Christian resources. If you're interested in my help, just send me an email. Also, if anyone knows of a PHP front-end already in the works, I would love to help if I'm needed :-) God Bless <>< Greg Marine Let your prayer requests be known http://www.iccnet.org/prayer/ Internet Community Church Ministries http://www.iccnet.org/ --- message from Jason Reynolds attached: _____________________________________________________________ "Jesus said...I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6 http://www.iccnet.org/prayer/ ------------=_1018013919-18119-0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from www.crosswire.org (crosswire.org [208.145.185.12]) by imta11.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231774AC1C for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by www.crosswire.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g34NBww12446 for sword-devel-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:11:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: www.crosswire.org: mail set sender to owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org using -f Received: from isaiah.insight.org (isaiah.insight.org [4.22.159.78]) by www.crosswire.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g34NBvI12443 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:11:57 -0700 Received: by isaiah.insight.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:05:00 -0600 Message-ID: <7760400A7C0A43449997136293F11136055A11@isaiah.insight.org> From: Jason Reynolds To: "'sword-devel@crosswire.org'" Subject: [sword-devel] per Jonathan Hughes suggestion Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:05:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760" Sender: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sword-devel@crosswire.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Dev list, Jonathan encouraged me to send this to the whole dev list in hopes some of you would kindly respond with comments. I am all ears! 1) I am building community websites for churches. I do it in my spare time for free. I am not a web programmer, but I am technical enough to be able to do Sys admin/ installation type work. We are using the Open-Source software: HTTP://Postnuke.com My first question is....is there a PHP front-end to the sword project? Do you know anyone that would be willing to build one? Is there maybe some other PHP option for interfacing with the diatheke/CLI command line interface. Secondly, how is the sword project software installed for web applications that don't use CGI? For instance, how have people accessed it when running M$ ASP? Does it work much like a flat file database in terms of the front end making calls to it, etc.? Where does all the data go within the web server directory...i.e. will any old host do? 2) This is more of a theory question than anything else. I hope to launch a site by end of the summer called OpenSourceChurch.com It will be a site for the promotion of "free" software and knowledge resources amongst the body of Christ. The focus will not just be within the dev community. My ultimate end goal is to gather together the world's Christian hackers to work on a select number of projects, including: a) A specialized Content Management System distribution (probably based on Postnuke), b) a church/donor management solution (probably based on http://www.compiere.org/ or http://www.gnuenterprise.org/), c) a ministry management solution (using the baseline of an open-source trouble ticket system), and d) some type of web-filtering software (much like "Websense"). All but the last will be web based. I also would like to promote open-source documents and knowledge. I wonder if some of you could share with me a bit of your vision for making various information forms available freely to the global church. Also, how do you think I should position the website and how might I attract the best programmers and project managers for this work? Many thanks in advance for all your comments. I am truly open for this to be whatever it is meant to be! Graciously yours, Jason Reynolds Telecommunications Manager-IT Insight for Living JasonR@Insight.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable per Jonathan Hughes suggestion

Dear Dev list,

Jonathan encouraged me to send this to the whole dev list= in hopes some of you would kindly respond with comments.  I am all ea= rs!

1)  I am building community websites for churches.&n= bsp; I do it in my spare time for free.  I am not a web programmer, bu= t I am technical enough to be able to do Sys admin/ installation type work.=   We are using the Open-Source software:  HTTP://Postnuke.com 

My first question is....is there a PHP front-end to the s= word project?  Do you know anyone that would be willing to build one?&= nbsp; Is there maybe some other PHP option for interfacing with the diathek= e/CLI command line interface.  Secondly, how is the sword project soft= ware installed for web applications that don't use CGI?  For instance,= how have people accessed it when running M$ ASP?  Does it work much l= ike a flat file database in terms of the front end making calls to it, etc.= ?  Where does all the data go within the web server directory...i.e. w= ill any old host do?

2)  This is more of a theory question than anything = else.  I hope to launch a site by end of the summer called OpenSourceC= hurch.com  It will be a site for the promotion of "free" sof= tware and knowledge resources amongst the body of Christ.  The focus w= ill not just be within the dev community.  My ultimate end goal is to = gather together the world's Christian hackers to work on a select number of= projects, including:

a)  A specialized Content Management System distribu= tion (probably based on Postnuke),
b)  a church/donor management solution (probably ba= sed on http://www.co= mpiere.org/ or http://www.gnuenterprise.org/),
c)  a ministry management solution (using the basel= ine of an open-source trouble ticket system), and
d)  some type of web-filtering software (much like = "Websense"). 
All but the last will be web based. 

I also would like to promote open-source documents and kn= owledge.  I wonder if some of you could share with me a bit of your vi= sion for making various information forms available freely to the global ch= urch.  Also, how do you think I should position the website and how mi= ght I attract the best programmers and project managers for this work?

Many thanks in advance for all your comments.  I am = truly open for this to be whatever it is meant to be!


Graciously yours,

Jason Reynolds

Telecommunications Manager-IT
Insight for Living

JasonR@Insight.org

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2D.257E0760-- ------------=_1018013919-18119-0-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 5 14:36:17 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:36:17 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] per Jonathan Hughes suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020405133840.217A92755@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <3CADC471.566.EDB044@localhost> I'm working on using swig (www.swig.org) to make scripting language bindings for sword. It now includes PHP so we could probably use that. see http://www.swig.org/Doc1.3/Php.html The main thing is to work out which sword classes and functions would be useful to expose in this way. It is then relatively trivial to write the interface files that swig uses to produce code that can be compiled into a PHP (or python or tcl or perl or guile ...) module. Do you think you could help with that? Daniel On 5 Apr 2002 at 5:38, Greg Marine sent forth the message: > Jason, > > I would be VERY willing to help you out in any way I am useful. > Especially with a PHP front-end to sword (if there isn't one already) > and online FREE Christian resources. If you're interested in my help, > just send me an email. > > Also, if anyone knows of a PHP front-end already in the works, I would > love to help if I'm needed :-) From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 5 15:21:19 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Brian Albert) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:21:19 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] BC++Builder In-Reply-To: <3CA9E2AF.FF8A3566@crosswire.org> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020402081823.00a01a30@eml.doe.gov> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020405091411.009fb430@eml.doe.gov> Thanks for your help, Troy. Unfortunately I can't open those .bpg files you mentioned. I get an error that says "PROJECTS macro in project group file missing or incorrect". I tried compiling from .bpr files, but I keep getting compiler errors. By the way, what is the RxLib and how do I install it? Part of the problem is that I'm still learning the ins and outs of Builder. A lot has changed since BC++ 4.5. At 09:56 AM 4/2/02 -0700, you wrote: >Brian, > There are .bpg files in the tree that should enable you to compile >things. Offhand, I know that there should be a >sword/utilities/bcppmake/utilities.bpg There should also be a >swordprj.bpg in the sword/apps/windoze/CBuilder5/BibleCS directory, but >you may need to install RxLib to compile. Not sure about this-- you >want to try without it first. > > Hope this helps. Looking forward to your contributions! > > -Troy. > > >Brian Albert wrote: > > > > Can someone please give me instructions on how to compile the source code > > with BC++ Builder 5 after doing an ftp download? I recently upgraded to > > Builder from Borland C++ 4.5. I'd like to be able to compile the utilities > > (addvs, vpl2mod, etc) as well. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Brian Albert > > Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov Brian Albert Environmental Measurements Laboratory 201 Varick Street - 5th Floor New York, NY 10014 Phone: (212) - 620 - 3369 Fax: (212) - 620 - 3600 Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 5 19:56:09 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 12:56:09 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] BC++Builder References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020402081823.00a01a30@eml.doe.gov> <5.0.2.1.0.20020405091411.009fb430@eml.doe.gov> Message-ID: <3CAE0159.3090004@crosswire.org> Brian, Where did you get the source code you are using? Have you tried the latest CVS? Here's a link to CVS howto for windows: http://www.crosswire.org/sword/ALPHAcckswwlkrfre22034820285912/wincvs.html Let me know if this has trouble for you as well. Have you installed the upgrade patch for bc++builder5? It may be found on Borland's site, here: http://www.borland.com/devsupport/bcppbuilder/patches/#cbuilder5 Hope we can get you working. I noticed that I might not have added a couple new files to the swordlib project in the utilities directory-- SWCacher and GreekLexAttribs. If you get linker errors, these two files need to be added to the swordlib project. Latest CVS should take care of this, though. Hope this gives ya some idea what to try. -Troy. Brian Albert wrote: > Thanks for your help, Troy. Unfortunately I can't open those .bpg files > you mentioned. I get an error that says "PROJECTS macro in project > group file missing or incorrect". I tried compiling from .bpr files, > but I keep getting compiler errors. By the way, what is the RxLib and > how do I install it? Part of the problem is that I'm still learning the > ins and outs of Builder. A lot has changed since BC++ 4.5. > > At 09:56 AM 4/2/02 -0700, you wrote: > >> Brian, >> There are .bpg files in the tree that should enable you to >> compile >> things. Offhand, I know that there should be a >> sword/utilities/bcppmake/utilities.bpg There should also be a >> swordprj.bpg in the sword/apps/windoze/CBuilder5/BibleCS directory, but >> you may need to install RxLib to compile. Not sure about this-- you >> want to try without it first. >> >> Hope this helps. Looking forward to your contributions! >> >> -Troy. >> >> >> Brian Albert wrote: >> > >> > Can someone please give me instructions on how to compile the source >> code >> > with BC++ Builder 5 after doing an ftp download? I recently >> upgraded to >> > Builder from Borland C++ 4.5. I'd like to be able to compile the >> utilities >> > (addvs, vpl2mod, etc) as well. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Brian Albert >> > Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov > > > Brian Albert > Environmental Measurements Laboratory > 201 Varick Street - 5th Floor > New York, NY 10014 > Phone: (212) - 620 - 3369 > Fax: (212) - 620 - 3600 > Email: balbert@eml.doe.gov From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 5 20:03:13 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Brook Humphrey) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:03:13 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] BC++Builder In-Reply-To: <3CAE0159.3090004@crosswire.org> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020402081823.00a01a30@eml.doe.gov> <5.0.2.1.0.20020405091411.009fb430@eml.doe.gov> <3CAE0159.3090004@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <200204052010.g35KA7I19698@www.crosswire.org> On Friday 05 April 2002 11:56 am, you wrote: Troy I know this is bad form but My account is still not set up for ftp. Sorry about posting in someone else's thread. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 6 00:00:00 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Overcash) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:00:00 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email Message-ID: <002601c1dcfd$ff59db00$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_m1mqpp2gjO7LzJnXhCHxmA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey guys, I got this email today, really brought me to think on a lot so I thought I would forward it: The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore had only a short time to write something for a class. The subject was what Heaven was like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a killer, It's the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last. Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it while cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary Valley High School. Brian had been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece of his life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about encountering Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the teen's life But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that their son had described his view of heaven. It makes such an impact that people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was driving home from a friend's house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in Pickaway County and struck a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck unharmed but stepped on a downed power line and was electrocuted. The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I think we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of life after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see him. The Room... In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the room. There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered with small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that list titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, which stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either direction, had very different headings. As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through the cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I was. This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog system for my life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in a detail my memory couldn't match. A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with horror, stirred within me as I began randomly opening files and exploring their content. Some brought joy and sweet memories; others a sense of shame and regret so intense that I would look over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching. A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have betrayed." The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I Have Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've yelled at my brothers." Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My Anger," "Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased to be surprised by the contents. Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than I hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived. Could it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of these thousands or even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth. Each was written in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature. > When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched ," I realized the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it, shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time I knew that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I felt a chill runthrough my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded. An almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No one must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter now. I had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and began pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel when I tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its slot. Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh. And then I saw it.. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With." The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused. I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. And then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt. They started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried. I cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of file shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of this room. I must lock it up and hide the key. But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. Not here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open the files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His response. And in the moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow deeper than my own. He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. Why did He have to read every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from across the room. He looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a pity that didn't anger me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands and began to cry again. He walked over and put His arm around me. He could have said so many things. But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me. Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one end of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His name over mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to say was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on these cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The name of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He gently took the card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards. I don't think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the next instant it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my side. He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood up, and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There were still cards to be written. "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." ---Phil. 4:13 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16 If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as you can so the love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I shared the gospel with" file just got bigger, how about yours? -David Overcash webmaster@eurosoccerclub.net AIM: FunnyLookinHat --Boundary_(ID_m1mqpp2gjO7LzJnXhCHxmA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hey guys,
I got this email today, really brought me to think on a lot so I thought I would forward it:
 
 
The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore had only a
short time to write something for a class. The subject was what Heaven was
like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a killer, It's
the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last. 

Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it while
cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary Valley High School. Brian had
been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece of his
life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. 

Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about encountering
Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the teen's life
But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that
their son had described his view of heaven. It makes such an impact that
people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. 

Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was driving
home from a friend's house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in
Pickaway County and struck a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck
unharmed but stepped on a downed power line and was electrocuted.

The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family
portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I think
we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of
the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of life
after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see
him. 


The Room... 

In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the room.
There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered with
small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that list
titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, which
stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either direction,
had very different headings.

As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one
that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through the
cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names
written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I
was. This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog system for
my life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in
a detail my memory couldn't match. 

A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with horror, stirred within me as
I began randomly opening files and exploring their content. Some brought joy
and sweet memories; others a sense of shame and regret so intense that I
would look over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching.

A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have betrayed."
The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I Have
Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed
at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've yelled at
my brothers." Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My Anger,"
"Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased to be
surprised by the contents.  

Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than I
hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived. Could
it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of these thousands or
even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth. Each was written
in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature.   >

When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched ," I realized
the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and
yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it,
shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time I knew
that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I
felt a chill runthrough my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not
willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed
content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded.   

An almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No one
must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy
them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter now. I
had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and began
pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became
desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel when I
tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its
slot. 

Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh.
And then I saw it.. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With."
The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused.
I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long
fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. And
then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt. They
started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried. I
cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of file
shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of this
room. I must lock it up and hide the key.
But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. Not
here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open the
files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His response. And in the
moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow deeper than
my own.

He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. Why did He have to read
every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from across the room. He
looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a pity that didn't anger
me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands and began to cry again.
He walked over and put His arm around me. He could have said so many things.
But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me.

Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one end
of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His name over
mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to say
was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on these
cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The name
of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He gently took the
card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards. 
 
I don't think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the next
instant it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my side.
He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood up,
and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There were
still cards to be written. 
 
 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." ---Phil. 4:13

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever
believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16

If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as you can so the
love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I shared the gospel
with" file just got bigger, how about yours?
 
 
-David Overcash
AIM: FunnyLookinHat
--Boundary_(ID_m1mqpp2gjO7LzJnXhCHxmA)-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 6 01:39:31 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Trotz) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:39:31 -0800 Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email References: <002601c1dcfd$ff59db00$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> Message-ID: <000b01c1dd0b$ea75c510$0100007f@localhost> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1DCC8.D804D5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David, That was a good letter, I liked reading it, I rarely read those types of = letters since I get them so often in my email, but this one I read. I = went ahead and checked it's validity... Here is what I found, not too = far from the truth http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/theroom.htm It = is a shame Christians feel they must embelish stories to get people to = read them. Thanks again for sharing David. In Christ, David Trotz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Overcash=20 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org=20 Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email Hey guys, I got this email today, really brought me to think on a lot so I = thought I would forward it: The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore had = only a short time to write something for a class. The subject was what Heaven = was like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a killer, = It's the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last. =20 Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it = while cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary Valley High School. Brian = had been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece = of his life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. =20 Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about = encountering Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the = teen's life But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized = that their son had described his view of heaven. It makes such an impact = that people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. = =20 Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was = driving home from a friend's house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in Pickaway County and struck a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck unharmed but stepped on a downed power line and was electrocuted.=20 The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I = think we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore = said of the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of = life after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll = see him. =20 The Room... =20 In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the = room. There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered = with small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that list titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, = which stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either = direction, had very different headings.=20 As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was = one that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through = the cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the = names written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where = I was. This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog = system for my life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and = small, in a detail my memory couldn't match. =20 A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with horror, stirred within = me as I began randomly opening files and exploring their content. Some = brought joy and sweet memories; others a sense of shame and regret so intense that = I would look over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching.=20 A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have = betrayed." The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I = Have Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have = Laughed at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've = yelled at my brothers." Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My = Anger," "Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased = to be surprised by the contents. =20 Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than = I hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived. = Could it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of these = thousands or even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth. Each was = written in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature. >=20 When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched ," I = realized the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed = tightly, and yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I = shut it, shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time = I knew that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful = Thoughts," I felt a chill runthrough my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, = not willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its = detailed content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded. = An almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No = one must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to = destroy them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter = now. I had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and = began pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel = when I tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file = to its slot. =20 Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying = sigh. And then I saw it.. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel = With." The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused. I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. = And then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt. = They started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and = cried. I cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of = file shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of = this room. I must lock it up and hide the key.=20 But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. = Not here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open = the files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His response. And = in the moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow = deeper than my own. He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. Why did He have to = read every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from across the room. He looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a pity that didn't = anger me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands and began to cry = again. He walked over and put His arm around me. He could have said so many = things. But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me.=20 Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one = end of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His = name over mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to = say was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on = these cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. = The name of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He gently took = the card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards.=20 =20 I don't think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the = next instant it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my = side. He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood = up, and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There = were still cards to be written.=20 =20 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." ---Phil. = 4:13=20 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16=20 If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as you can so = the love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I shared the = gospel with" file just got bigger, how about yours? -David Overcash webmaster@eurosoccerclub.net AIM: FunnyLookinHat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1DCC8.D804D5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
David,
That was a good letter, I liked reading = it, I=20 rarely read those types of letters since I get them so often in my = email, but=20 this one I read. I went ahead and checked it's validity... Here is what = I found,=20 not too far from the truth http://www.trut= horfiction.com/rumors/theroom.htm It=20 is a shame Christians feel they must embelish stories to get people to = read=20 them. Thanks again for sharing David.
In Christ,
David Trotz
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David Overcash
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 = 4:00=20 PM
Subject: [sword-devel] An off = topic, but=20 seeming necessary email

Hey guys,
I got this email today, really = brought me to=20 think on a lot so I thought I would forward it:
 
 
The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore = had only=20 a
short time to write something for a class. The subject was what = Heaven=20 was
like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a = killer,=20 It's
the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the=20 last. 

Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when = a=20 cousin found it while
cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary = Valley=20 High School. Brian had
been dead only hours, but his parents = desperately=20 wanted every piece of his
life near them-notes from classmates and=20 teachers, his homework. 

Only two months before, he had=20 handwritten the essay about encountering
Jesus in a file room full = of cards=20 detailing every moment of the teen's life
But it was only after = Brian's=20 death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that
their son had = described his=20 view of heaven. It makes such an impact that
people want to share = it. You=20 feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. 

Brian Moore = died May=20 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was driving
home from a = friend's=20 house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in
Pickaway County = and struck=20 a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck
unharmed but stepped on a = downed=20 power line and was electrocuted.

The Moores framed a copy of = Brian's=20 essay and hung it among the family
portraits in the living room. "I = think=20 God used him to make a point. I think
we were meant to find it and = make=20 something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of
the essay. She and her = husband=20 want to share their son's vision of life
after death. "I'm happy = for Brian.=20 I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see
him. 


The=20 Room... 

In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I = found=20 myself in the room.
There were no distinguishing features except = for the=20 one wall covered with
small index card files. They were like the = ones in=20 libraries that list
titles by author or subject in alphabetical = order. But=20 these files, which
stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly = endless in=20 either direction,
had very different headings.

As I drew = near the=20 wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one
that read = "Girls I=20 have liked." I opened it and began flipping through the
cards. I = quickly=20 shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names
written on = each=20 one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I
was. This = lifeless=20 room with its small files was a crude catalog system for
my life. = Here were=20 written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in
a detail = my=20 memory couldn't match. 

A sense of wonder and curiosity, = coupled=20 with horror, stirred within me as
I began randomly opening files = and=20 exploring their content. Some brought joy
and sweet memories; = others a=20 sense of shame and regret so intense that I
would look over my = shoulder to=20 see if anyone was watching.

A file named "Friends" was next to = one=20 marked "Friends I have betrayed."
The titles ranged from the = mundane to the=20 outright weird. "Books I Have
Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I = have=20 Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed
at." Some were almost hilarious in = their=20 exactness: "Things I've yelled at
my brothers." Others I couldn't = laugh at:=20 "Things I Have Done in My Anger,"
"Things I Have Muttered Under My = Breath=20 at My Parents." I never ceased to be
surprised by the = contents.  =20

Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes = fewer than=20 I
hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had = lived.=20 Could
it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of = these=20 thousands or
even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this = truth.=20 Each was written
in my own handwriting. Each signed with my=20 signature.   >

When I pulled out the file marked = "TV=20 Shows I have watched ," I realized
the files grew to contain their=20 contents. The cards were packed tightly, and
yet after two or three = yards,=20 I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it,
shamed, not so much = by the=20 quality of shows but more by the vast time I knew
that file = represented.=20 When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I
felt a chill = runthrough=20 my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not
willing to test = its size,=20 and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed
content. I felt = sick to=20 think that such a moment had been recorded.    =

An=20 almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No = one
must=20 ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to=20 destroy
them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size = didn't=20 matter now. I
had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it = at one=20 end and began
pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a = single card.=20 I became
desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong = as=20 steel when I
tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I = returned=20 the file to its
slot. 

Leaning my forehead against the = wall, I=20 let out a long, self-pitying sigh.
And then I saw it.. The title = bore=20 "People I Have Shared the Gospel With."
The handle was brighter = than those=20 around it, newer, almost unused.
I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches = long
fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on = one hand.=20 And
then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they = hurt.=20 They
started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees = and=20 cried. I
cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. = The=20 rows of file
shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must = ever, ever=20 know of this
room. I must lock it up and hide the key.
But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not = Him.=20 Not
here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to = open=20 the
files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His = response. And in=20 the
moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a = sorrow deeper=20 than
my own.

He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. = Why did=20 He have to read
every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from = across=20 the room. He
looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a = pity that=20 didn't anger
me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands = and began=20 to cry again.
He walked over and put His arm around me. He could = have said=20 so many things.
But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me.=20

Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting = at one=20 end
of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign = His name=20 over
mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could = find to=20 say
was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't = be on=20 these
cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so = alive.=20 The name
of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He = gently=20 took the
card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the=20 cards. 
 
I don't think I'll ever understand how He = did it so=20 quickly, but the next
instant it seemed I heard Him close the last = file and=20 walk back to my side.
He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, = "It is=20 finished." I stood up,
and He led me out of the room. There was no = lock on=20 its door. There were
still cards to be = written. 
 
 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." = ---Phil.=20 4:13

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, = that=20 whoever
believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." = ---John=20 3:16

If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as = you can=20 so the
love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I = shared the=20 gospel
with" file just got bigger, how about yours?
 
 
-David Overcash
webmaster@eurosoccerclub.net=
AIM: FunnyLookinHat
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1DCC8.D804D5D0-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 6 06:24:37 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Overcash) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 00:24:37 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email References: <002601c1dcfd$ff59db00$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> <000b01c1dd0b$ea75c510$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <001101c1dd33$ba8c1de0$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_NNeyDR/ikMc7itNnKhkWMA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks for investigating that David, I was curious as to the level of its validity... -Dave Overcash ----- Original Message ----- From: David Trotz To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email David, That was a good letter, I liked reading it, I rarely read those types of letters since I get them so often in my email, but this one I read. I went ahead and checked it's validity... Here is what I found, not too far from the truth http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/theroom.htm It is a shame Christians feel they must embelish stories to get people to read them. Thanks again for sharing David. In Christ, David Trotz ----- Original Message ----- From: David Overcash To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email Hey guys, I got this email today, really brought me to think on a lot so I thought I would forward it: The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore had only a short time to write something for a class. The subject was what Heaven was like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a killer, It's the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last. Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it while cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary Valley High School. Brian had been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece of his life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about encountering Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the teen's life But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that their son had described his view of heaven. It makes such an impact that people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was driving home from a friend's house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in Pickaway County and struck a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck unharmed but stepped on a downed power line and was electrocuted. The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I think we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of life after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see him. The Room... In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the room. There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered with small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that list titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, which stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either direction, had very different headings. As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through the cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I was. This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog system for my life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in a detail my memory couldn't match. A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with horror, stirred within me as I began randomly opening files and exploring their content. Some brought joy and sweet memories; others a sense of shame and regret so intense that I would look over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching. A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have betrayed." The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I Have Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've yelled at my brothers." Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My Anger," "Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased to be surprised by the contents. Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than I hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived. Could it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of these thousands or even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth. Each was written in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature. > When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched ," I realized the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it, shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time I knew that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I felt a chill runthrough my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded. An almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No one must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter now. I had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and began pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel when I tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its slot. Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh. And then I saw it.. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With." The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused. I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. And then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt. They started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried. I cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of file shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of this room. I must lock it up and hide the key. But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. Not here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open the files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His response. And in the moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow deeper than my own. He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. Why did He have to read every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from across the room. He looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a pity that didn't anger me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands and began to cry again. He walked over and put His arm around me. He could have said so many things. But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me. Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one end of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His name over mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to say was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on these cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The name of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He gently took the card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards. I don't think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the next instant it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my side. He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood up, and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There were still cards to be written. "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." ---Phil. 4:13 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16 If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as you can so the love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I shared the gospel with" file just got bigger, how about yours? -David Overcash webmaster@eurosoccerclub.net AIM: FunnyLookinHat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002 --Boundary_(ID_NNeyDR/ikMc7itNnKhkWMA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Thanks for investigating that David, I was curious as to the level of its validity...
 
-Dave Overcash
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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email

David,
That was a good letter, I liked reading it, I rarely read those types of letters since I get them so often in my email, but this one I read. I went ahead and checked it's validity... Here is what I found, not too far from the truth http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/theroom.htm It is a shame Christians feel they must embelish stories to get people to read them. Thanks again for sharing David.
In Christ,
David Trotz
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email

Hey guys,
I got this email today, really brought me to think on a lot so I thought I would forward it:
 
 
The story behind the story "The Room". 17-year-old Brian Moore had only a
short time to write something for a class. The subject was what Heaven was
like. "I wowed 'em," he later told his father, Bruce. "It's a killer, It's
the bomb. It's the best thing I ever wrote." It also was the last. 

Brian's parents had forgotten about the essay when a cousin found it while
cleaning out the teenager's locker at Teary Valley High School. Brian had
been dead only hours, but his parents desperately wanted every piece of his
life near them-notes from classmates and teachers, his homework. 

Only two months before, he had handwritten the essay about encountering
Jesus in a file room full of cards detailing every moment of the teen's life
But it was only after Brian's death that Beth and Bruce Moore realized that
their son had described his view of heaven. It makes such an impact that
people want to share it. You feel like you are there." Mr. Moore said. 

Brian Moore died May 27, 1997, the day after Memorial Day. He was driving
home from a friend's house when his car went off Bulen-Pierce Road in
Pickaway County and struck a utility pole. He emerged from the wreck
unharmed but stepped on a downed power line and was electrocuted.

The Moores framed a copy of Brian's essay and hung it among the family
portraits in the living room. "I think God used him to make a point. I think
we were meant to find it and make something out of it, " Mrs. Moore said of
the essay. She and her husband want to share their son's vision of life
after death. "I'm happy for Brian. I know he's in heaven. I know I'll see
him. 


The Room... 

In that place between wakefulness and dreams, I found myself in the room.
There were no distinguishing features except for the one wall covered with
small index card files. They were like the ones in libraries that list
titles by author or subject in alphabetical order. But these files, which
stretched from floor to ceiling and seemingly endless in either direction,
had very different headings.

As I drew near the wall of files, the first to catch my attention was one
that read "Girls I have liked." I opened it and began flipping through the
cards. I quickly shut it, shocked to realize that I recognized the names
written on each one. And then without being told, I knew exactly where I
was. This lifeless room with its small files was a crude catalog system for
my life. Here were written the actions of my every moment, big and small, in
a detail my memory couldn't match. 

A sense of wonder and curiosity, coupled with horror, stirred within me as
I began randomly opening files and exploring their content. Some brought joy
and sweet memories; others a sense of shame and regret so intense that I
would look over my shoulder to see if anyone was watching.

A file named "Friends" was next to one marked "Friends I have betrayed."
The titles ranged from the mundane to the outright weird. "Books I Have
Read," "Lies I Have Told," "Comfort I have Given," "Jokes I Have Laughed
at." Some were almost hilarious in their exactness: "Things I've yelled at
my brothers." Others I couldn't laugh at: "Things I Have Done in My Anger,"
"Things I Have Muttered Under My Breath at My Parents." I never ceased to be
surprised by the contents.  

Often there were many more cards than I expected. Sometimes fewer than I
hoped. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the life I had lived. Could
it be possible that I had the time in my years to each of these thousands or
even millions of cards? But each card confirmed this truth. Each was written
in my own handwriting. Each signed with my signature.   >

When I pulled out the file marked "TV Shows I have watched ," I realized
the files grew to contain their contents. The cards were packed tightly, and
yet after two or three yards, I hadn't found the end of the file. I shut it,
shamed, not so much by the quality of shows but more by the vast time I knew
that file represented. When I came to a file marked "Lustful Thoughts," I
felt a chill runthrough my body. I pulled the file out only an inch, not
willing to test its size, and drew out a card. I shuddered at its detailed
content. I felt sick to think that such a moment had been recorded.   

An almost animal rage broke on me. One thought dominated my mind: No one
must ever see these cards! No one must ever see this room! I have to destroy
them!" In insane frenzy I yanked the file out. Its size didn't matter now. I
had to empty it and burn the cards. But as I took it at one end and began
pounding it on the floor, I could not dislodge a single card. I became
desperate and pulled out a card, only to find it as strong as steel when I
tried to tear it. Defeated and utterly helpless, I returned the file to its
slot. 

Leaning my forehead against the wall, I let out a long, self-pitying sigh.
And then I saw it.. The title bore "People I Have Shared the Gospel With."
The handle was brighter than those around it, newer, almost unused.
I pulled on its handle and a small box not more than three inches long
fell into my hands. I could count the cards it contained on one hand. And
then the tears came. I began to weep. Sobs so deep that they hurt. They
started in my stomach and shook through me. I fell on my knees and cried. I
cried out of shame, from the overwhelming shame of it all. The rows of file
shelves swirled in my tear-filled eyes. No one must ever, ever know of this
room. I must lock it up and hide the key.
But then as I pushed away the tears, I saw Him. No, please not Him. Not
here Oh, anyone but Jesus. I watched helplessly as He began to open the
files and read the cards. I couldn't bear to watch His response. And in the
moments I could bring myself to look at His face, I saw a sorrow deeper than
my own.

He seemed to intuitively go to the worst boxes. Why did He have to read
every one? Finally He turned and looked at me from across the room. He
looked at me with pity in His eyes. But this was a pity that didn't anger
me. I dropped my head, covered my face with my hands and began to cry again.
He walked over and put His arm around me. He could have said so many things.
But He didn't say a word. He just cried with me.

Then He got up and walked back to the wall of files. Starting at one end
of the room, He took out a file and, one by one, began to sign His name over
mine on each card. "No!" I shouted rushing to Him. All I could find to say
was "No, no," as I pulled the card from Him. His name shouldn't be on these
cards. But there it was, written in red so rich, so dark, so alive. The name
of Jesus covered mine. It was written with His blood.. He gently took the
card back. He smiled a sad smile and began to sign the cards. 
 
I don't think I'll ever understand how He did it so quickly, but the next
instant it seemed I heard Him close the last file and walk back to my side.
He placed His hand on my shoulder and said, "It is finished." I stood up,
and He led me out of the room. There was no lock on its door. There were
still cards to be written. 
 
 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." ---Phil. 4:13

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever
believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16

If you feel the same way forward it to as many people as you can so the
love of Jesus will touch their lives also. My "People I shared the gospel
with" file just got bigger, how about yours?
 
 
-David Overcash
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--Boundary_(ID_NNeyDR/ikMc7itNnKhkWMA)-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 6 10:36:51 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jan Paul Schmidt) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:36:51 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] per Jonathan Hughes suggestion In-Reply-To: <7760400A7C0A43449997136293F11136055A11@isaiah.insight.org>; from JasonR@insight.org on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:05:00PM -0600 References: <7760400A7C0A43449997136293F11136055A11@isaiah.insight.org> Message-ID: <20020406123651.A950@jona> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:05:00PM -0600, Jason Reynolds wrote: > d) some type of web-filtering software (much like "Websense"). > All but the last will be web based. There is already software for this since years, like Junkbuster or FilterProxy. Look at http://freshmeat.net/ for them or others. The main problem will be to find someone who keeps the filter rules up to date and being strong enough to stand all the smut out there and to arrange what should be filtered. > I also would like to promote open-source documents and knowledge. I > wonder if some of you could share with me a bit of your vision for > making various information forms available freely to the global > church. Also, how do you think I should position the website and how > might I attract the best programmers and project managers for this > work? You should understand, what open source really is and why a lot of people like to use the term free software instead. You may have a look at http://www.gnu.org/ where a lot started. Free software is quite hard to understand, if you think in business terms. I don't know if it is the normal way native english speakers talk, but forget about attracting someone for something. You find people for your work, if you can convince them that you know what they are doing, how they feel and what they think. Otherwise you can't organize such a project and you can't handle the people working on it, either. Another tough task is to convince all the organisations out there to get rid of this Microsoft mono culture. This should be your main concern and not finding people to work on some projects, because there are quite some projects already outthere and to coordinate them should not be difficult. > Many thanks in advance for all your comments. I am truly open for > this to be whatever it is meant to be! You're welcome :o) jps From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 6 23:35:56 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 01:35:56 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Bug with SWKey operators Message-ID: <200204071050.g37AoJI31263@www.crosswire.org> Hi! See the attached test program. It's doesn't work properly, neither using en or de as locale. Is the code wrong or is Sword buggy? --------- #include #include #include #include int main (int argc, char* argv[]) { // LocaleMgr::systemLocaleMgr.setDefaultLocaleName("de"); VerseKey vk1 = "Genesis 2:10"; VerseKey vk2 = "Genesis 1:1"; while (vk2 <= vk1) { cout << vk2 << " <= " << vk1 << endl; vk2++; } }; --------- Thanks, Joachim From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 7 14:21:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Sven Vollbehr) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 17:21:34 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] An off topic, but seeming necessary email References: <002601c1dcfd$ff59db00$7e3dfea9@8kyg4> Message-ID: <3CB055EE.6030609@iki.fi> I just loved reading this email. Thanks a lot David! David Overcash wrote: > The Room... [...] -- Sven Vollbehr. I don't know what this block of code does. It seems to serve no purpose, but if I remove it, the program stops working. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 8 07:35:03 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 01:35:03 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Modules tree structure Message-ID: <23F1DAA0-4AC3-11D6-959A-003065F084C0@mac.com> Hi, I've been working on a Module selection panel using an OutlineView (basically a tree type structure in the Mac world). What I want to know is if there is anything in the Sword API for getting the modules sorted by language? Of course I can write my own code for it.. but before I do, I thought I'd ask :) Also, is there a function somewhere to convert "en" to "English" and such? - n8 --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 03:13:24 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:13:24 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes Message-ID: <001301c1df74$831e3580$0700000a@DIASPORA> I'm uploading a lot of changes to our modules today so that they can get incorporated before the new CD pressing. The following are the major changes: DR has been renamed DRC LXXM has been renamed LXX (and the former LXX has been removed) Scrivner has been removed (because TR will be added) Stephanus has been removed (because TR will be added) WH has been removed (because it is unnecessary since we have WHNU) genitive forms changed to nominative: hitch/Hitchcocks has been renamed Hitchcock Naves has been renamed Nave Smiths has been renamed Smith Eastons has been renamed Easton Websters has been renamed Webster Modules with language names changed to conform to Ethnologue's standard names for their language: Mel has been renamed TokPisin Ketchi has been renamed Kekchi I'm also removing all the losung modules for the time being. I will re-add them in a while in a language-neutral format. They're all outdated anyway. I've also removed all locked copyrighted module .confs until the new CD is burned, but I have backups and will replace them roughly Wednesday. (Sorry for the inconvenience Jonathan.) In most of these cases, where a module has a changed name, I have added an "Obsoletes={old name}" attribute to the .confs. This way, functionality can be added to front ends or install managers to scan installed modules and remove any obsolete ones (e.g. if you have the new LXX, you don't need LXXM). --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 08:59:04 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 01:59:04 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes In-Reply-To: <001301c1df74$831e3580$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020409011822.00a1cc70@mail.dancris.com> At 08:13 PM 4/8/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >genitive forms changed to nominative: >hitch/Hitchcocks has been renamed Hitchcock >Naves has been renamed Nave >Smiths has been renamed Smith >Eastons has been renamed Easton >Websters has been renamed Webster Why? I understand that both forms will sound funny to people from different circles. People who are used to hearing a title shortened to the first significant word, such as calling The Antiquities of the Jews, simply Antiquities, will find Strong's, for Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, quite natural. But, people who are used to hearing a book referred to by the author's name will find Strong quite natural. Is it because the genitive tends to loose the apostrophe, and ends up being plural? Just curious. Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 10:36:07 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael S. Norris) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:36:07 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins References: Message-ID: <006a01c1dfb4$92d4a000$55f4afc3@dell> While there is documentation for creating module add-ins at http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/swordmodule/index.jsp, the information seems to be outdated and incomplete. Can someone suggest another place to find the necessary details for creating Bible modules or make some comments on what has been changed? I'm able to generate module files from a source text without verse refs using vpl2mod. But the heading information doesn't seem to be coming through correctly and the font size is way off. Using a source text with verse refs hasn't worked either. BTW, is the emptyvss utility for checking verses still around somewhere? Thanks, Mike msnorris@myrealbox.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Overcash" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins > I believe that there is documentation on how to use these programs to create > modules at the sword site... > http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/swordmodule/index.jsp > > -Dave Overcash > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of RJ > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:48 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins > > > Hello all- > Please forgive my ignorance in advance, I would like to begin making mods > for the sword project as i feel it is a very worthy cause. i have the > software for both linux and windows installed. i also have used it with the > modules in both platforms. i also downloaded the four utils found on the > ftp site [i.e. vpl2mod ... etc] if someone could help me with the basics, > or point me in the proper direction to some manuals or documentation i would > greatly appreciate it. > > Sincerely, > RJ From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 10:51:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Michael S. Norris) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:51:44 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins Message-ID: <006b01c1dfb4$9808b7a0$55f4afc3@dell> While there is documentation for creating module add-ins at http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/swordmodule/index.jsp, the information seems to be outdated and incomplete. Can someone suggest another place to find the necessary details for creating Bible modules or make some comments on what has been changed? I'm able to generate module files from a source text without verse refs using vpl2mod. But the heading information doesn't seem to be coming through correctly and the font size is way off. Using a source text with verse refs hasn't worked either. BTW, is the emptyvss utility for checking verses still around somewhere? Thanks, Mike msnorris@myrealbox.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Overcash" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins > I believe that there is documentation on how to use these programs to create > modules at the sword site... > http://www.crosswire.org/sword/develop/swordmodule/index.jsp > > -Dave Overcash > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of RJ > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:48 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] creating module add-ins > > > Hello all- > Please forgive my ignorance in advance, I would like to begin making mods > for the sword project as i feel it is a very worthy cause. i have the > software for both linux and windows installed. i also have used it with the > modules in both platforms. i also downloaded the four utils found on the > ftp site [i.e. vpl2mod ... etc] if someone could help me with the basics, > or point me in the proper direction to some manuals or documentation i would > greatly appreciate it. > > Sincerely, > RJ From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 09:51:59 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:51:59 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020409011822.00a1cc70@mail.dancris.com> References: <001301c1df74$831e3580$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <3CB2C7CF.975.54BE688@localhost> talking of Strongs, do we really need StrongsHebrew and StrongsGreek when they both contain both the hebrew and the greek? Daniel On 9 Apr 2002 at 1:59, Jerry Hastings sent forth the message: > At 08:13 PM 4/8/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: > > >genitive forms changed to nominative: > >hitch/Hitchcocks has been renamed Hitchcock > >Naves has been renamed Nave > >Smiths has been renamed Smith > >Eastons has been renamed Easton > >Websters has been renamed Webster > > Why? I understand that both forms will sound funny to people from different > circles. People who are used to hearing a title shortened to the first > significant word, such as calling The Antiquities of the Jews, simply > Antiquities, will find Strong's, for Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, quite > natural. But, people who are used to hearing a book referred to by the > author's name will find Strong quite natural. Is it because the genitive > tends to loose the apostrophe, and ends up being plural? Just curious. > > Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 19:51:04 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020409011822.00a1cc70@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Jerry Hastings wrote: > At 08:13 PM 4/8/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: > > >genitive forms changed to nominative: > >hitch/Hitchcocks has been renamed Hitchcock > >Naves has been renamed Nave > >Smiths has been renamed Smith > >Eastons has been renamed Easton > >Websters has been renamed Webster > > Why? I understand that both forms will sound funny to people from different > circles. People who are used to hearing a title shortened to the first > significant word, such as calling The Antiquities of the Jews, simply > Antiquities, will find Strong's, for Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, quite > natural. But, people who are used to hearing a book referred to by the > author's name will find Strong quite natural. Is it because the genitive > tends to loose the apostrophe, and ends up being plural? Just curious. It's primarily for the purpose of consistency. We have some books in a posessive form and others not, and I just want to be consistent across all of them. The non-posessive form seems to be more prevalent and more sensible, so I conformed the others to that. Troy: We don't have a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance because it is unnecessary thanks to search. Jerry was just using it as an example. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 19:58:13 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes In-Reply-To: <3CB2C7CF.975.54BE688@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Daniel Glassey wrote: > talking of Strongs, do we really need StrongsHebrew and StrongsGreek > when they both contain both the hebrew and the greek? > > Daniel Ok, this is fixed. There really are two modules, but they were in the same directory and neither InstallMgr nor the download JSPs on CrossWire know how to deal with splitting multiple modules in a single directory. I put them in strongshebrew and strongsgreek respectively (rather than strongs) and renamed the module files themselves accordingly to maintain consistency. There's no way to combine them into a single module/download at present. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 21:11:31 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:11:31 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes References: Message-ID: <3CB35903.3BD38FBC@crosswire.org> > It's primarily for the purpose of consistency. We have some books in a > posessive form and others not, and I just want to be consistent across all > of them. The non-posessive form seems to be more prevalent and more > sensible, so I conformed the others to that. Just my 2c: It's not our job to make book titles consistent with eachother. > Troy: We don't have a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance because it > is unnecessary thanks to search. Jerry was just using it as an example. Point is the same. We have something we thing are definitions from Strong's EC, and we do have Nave's Topical Textbook, etc. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 9 22:55:41 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:55:41 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Module changes In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20020409011822.00a1cc70@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020409142620.0094f180@mail.dancris.com> At 12:51 PM 4/9/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >It's primarily for the purpose of consistency. We have some books in a >posessive form and others not, and I just want to be consistent across all >of them. Are you talking about books that all have the possessive form in the titles? Or, do some of the books not even have any form of the authors names in the titles, but are referred by the authors names? _Figures or Speech Used in the Bible_ in some contexts may simply be called Bullinger and _The Works of Josephus_ may be called Josephus. Are you trying to make books like Strong's EC consistent with book likes those? >The non-posessive form seems to be more prevalent and more >sensible, so I conformed the others to that. Is there a style book rule for this? What I can remember of my experience in higher ed. at secular institutions, the books we used were seldom referred to by title, but referred to by the authors names in the non-possessive form. What you say seems consistent with that. However, I don't remember using any book then that had the author's name in the title in the possessive form. I don't think I was ever in a class that used a book with a title like, _Gray's Anatomy_. I don't know if it would have been referred to as Gray's or Gray. And, mudding things more, I never used a "Christian" book in those institutions. But, in non-educational Christian circles, I hear titles with the possessive form shortened to simply the possessive form. I don't hear those books referred to by the author in the non-possessive form. I do however see both kinds of file names. I don't know how typical my experience is. Still curious. Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 10 23:39:57 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:39:57 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword 1.5.3 & BibleCS 1.5.3 Message-ID: <000901c1e0e9$060335c0$0700000a@DIASPORA> The release of both the API and new windows frontend have been announced on the main Sword page. I'm sorry that we didn't get much time to test this release of BibleCS, but the next release should be relatively soon. I hope we get things fixed a bit for another new CD pressing in a few months. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 00:20:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Trotz) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:20:44 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword 1.5.3 & BibleCS 1.5.3 References: <000901c1e0e9$060335c0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <000801c1e0ee$badae330$0100007f@localhost> I want to apologize too as I have been unable to help much with BibleCS, my time is all wrapped up these days in School. This summer I will have some extra time to help out hopefully and then... who knows. In Christ, David Trotz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Little" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: [sword-devel] Sword 1.5.3 & BibleCS 1.5.3 > The release of both the API and new windows frontend have been announced > on the main Sword page. I'm sorry that we didn't get much time to test > this release of BibleCS, but the next release should be relatively soon. > I hope we get things fixed a bit for another new CD pressing in a few > months. > > --Chris > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 4/2/2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 01:02:03 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:02:03 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword 1.5.3 & BibleCS 1.5.3 In-Reply-To: <000901c1e0e9$060335c0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <000f01c1e0f4$7e2cc5b0$0700000a@DIASPORA> BTW, if anyone has more cool new features we can list for either the API or BibleCS, please feel free to add them to the news item or send them to me and I will add them. I still can't really remember all the new stuff that's been added in the past 10 months. I'm going to let the news items sit for a day or two before making some module announcements. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 07:47:39 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:47:39 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword 1.5.3 & BibleCS 1.5.3 In-Reply-To: <000901c1e0e9$060335c0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020411004534.00a19560@mail.dancris.com> Why is BibleCS 1.5.3 using the help files from 1.5.2? Jerry :-( At 04:39 PM 4/10/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >The release of both the API and new windows frontend have been announced >on the main Sword page. I'm sorry that we didn't get much time to test >this release of BibleCS, but the next release should be relatively soon. >I hope we get things fixed a bit for another new CD pressing in a few >months. > >--Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 12:18:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (sword-devel@crosswire.org) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:18:44 EDT Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem Message-ID: <1aa.88c411.29e6d924@aol.com> --part1_1aa.88c411.29e6d924_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Troy and God Bless, I had a problem downloading and installing the 1.53. It caused at C++ error in XP. Not thinking, of course, I uninstalled it, which also removed all of my modules from the previous version. More importantly, it also removed the keys.txt file, which I had stored there with my unlock keys. Can you email me the text file? I'd appreciate it greatly. In his service, Norman --part1_1aa.88c411.29e6d924_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Troy and God Bless,

I had a problem downloading and installing the 1.53. It caused at C++ error in XP. Not thinking, of course, I uninstalled it, which also removed all of my modules from the previous version.  More importantly, it also removed the keys.txt file, which I had stored there with my unlock keys. Can you email me the text file?  I'd appreciate it greatly.

In his service,

Norman --part1_1aa.88c411.29e6d924_boundary-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 13:03:06 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:03:06 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <1aa.88c411.29e6d924@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020411055815.00a1bf10@mail.dancris.com> I also had a C++ exception when starting it for the first time. It also had various errors while closing. When I ran it again it was fine. Jerry At 08:18 AM 4/11/2002 -0400, Eldernsb@aol.com wrote: >Hi Troy and God Bless, > >I had a problem downloading and installing the 1.53. It caused at C++ >error in XP. Not thinking, of course, I uninstalled it, which also removed >all of my modules from the previous version. More importantly, it also >removed the keys.txt file, which I had stored there with my unlock keys. >Can you email me the text file? I'd appreciate it greatly. > >In his service, > >Norman From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 20:42:55 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:42:55 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020411055815.00a1bf10@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <000201c1e199$75a0c180$0700000a@DIASPORA> I posted a short solution (I think) to the problem on CrossWire. I also put the new help file in the installer, though we've already managed to add a couple new features that it doesn't cover. :) --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Hastings > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:03 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org; sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem > > > I also had a C++ exception when starting it for the first > time. It also had > various errors while closing. When I ran it again it was fine. > > Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 12:47:04 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:47:04 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <1aa.88c411.29e6d924@aol.com> Message-ID: <3CB593D8.21544.D8F002@localhost> Hi, I'm not certainif this is right, but if so I think this should be documented. sword 1.5.3 has a problem with old layout.conf files. You need to remove the old layout.conf and sword will regenerate a new one and be happy after that. Regards, Daniel On 11 Apr 2002 at 8:18, Eldernsb@aol.com sent forth the message: > Hi Troy and God Bless, > > I had a problem downloading and installing the 1.53. It caused at C++ error > in XP. Not thinking, of course, I uninstalled it, which also removed all of > my modules from the previous version. More importantly, it also removed the > keys.txt file, which I had stored there with my unlock keys. Can you email me > the text file? I'd appreciate it greatly. > > In his service, > > Norman > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 22:07:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 11 Apr 2002 16:07:26 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] broken Gnomesword installation Message-ID: <1018562847.1590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings, As a perfect newbie to Linux and Gnome, I installed sword 1.5.3 and the latest version of Gnome-sword... without a hitch. It all worked, but I had not installed any modules, so I downloaded the module zip files, moved them to the directory according to the instructions, unzipped them... and everything got ugly. Now, when I try to run Gnome-sword, I get a segmentation fault error, which I think means I installed something the wrong way. Unfortunately I do not have the expertise to un-install what I installed and redo it, or to fix what I have. Could anyone please help me? God bless, Jorge From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 22:40:55 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:40:55 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <000201c1e199$75a0c180$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <4.2.0.58.20020411055815.00a1bf10@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020411153911.009a6df0@mail.dancris.com> What features are those. I actually have a newer version that I have not been unable to upload because ftp is not working. Jerry > I also >put the new help file in the installer, though we've already managed to >add a couple new features that it doesn't cover. :) > >--Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 11 23:21:07 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:21:07 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020411153911.009a6df0@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <001301c1e1af$8ee05f00$0700000a@DIASPORA> General book support and new option filters (transliteration, hebrew vowels, hebrew cantillation, greek accents, scripture cross-references, headings, & lemmas) are all I can think of. If you want to email me a new file, I can update the installer and upload it. --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Hastings > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:41 PM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org; sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: RE: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem > > > What features are those. I actually have a newer version that > I have not > been unable to upload because ftp is not working. > > Jerry > > > I also > >put the new help file in the installer, though we've already > managed to > >add a couple new features that it doesn't cover. :) > > > >--Chris > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 00:10:17 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Terry Biggs) Date: 11 Apr 2002 20:10:17 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] broken Gnomesword installation In-Reply-To: <1018562847.1590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1018562847.1590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1018570219.26464.6.camel@office> This need to go to the gnomesword list. On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 18:07, Jorge Chacon wrote: > > > Greetings, > > As a perfect newbie to Linux and Gnome, I installed sword 1.5.3 and the > latest version of Gnome-sword... without a hitch. > It all worked, but I had not installed any modules, so I downloaded the > module zip files, moved them to the directory according to the > instructions, unzipped them... and everything got ugly. > > Now, when I try to run Gnome-sword, I get a segmentation fault error, > which I think means I installed something the wrong way. Unfortunately > I do not have the expertise to un-install what I installed and redo it, > or to fix what I have. You should have a hidden directory '.GnomeSword' delete it and run gnomesword again. It should start with the setup druid. Note if the druid finds your modules. Let me know what happens. Terry > > Could anyone please help me? > > God bless, > > > Jorge > > -- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 00:57:18 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:57:18 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Compiling Bibletime 1.1betas with kde3 Message-ID: <200204112057.18721.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Can it be done? I've tried with both cvs and the source on the sourceforge site. Do I need to go back and install qt2 or anything like that? -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relativly spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 01:25:21 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:25:21 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <001301c1e1af$8ee05f00$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <4.2.0.58.20020411153911.009a6df0@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020411181433.00a1e800@mail.dancris.com> BibleCS has gen. book support? I don't see it. Transliteration is in the new help files. I am guessing that cantillation and accents are supported (unicode) but there is no user controls for them in BibleCS. What do you mean by cross-references? I don't see anything dealing with that. Also, headings, & lemmas, should I be seeing something new? I put the latest Sword.chm, at http://www.bf.org/sword/Sword.chm . Jerry At 04:21 PM 4/11/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >General book support and new option filters (transliteration, hebrew >vowels, hebrew cantillation, greek accents, scripture cross-references, >headings, & lemmas) are all I can think of. If you want to email me a >new file, I can update the installer and upload it. > >--Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 02:31:56 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:31:56 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020411181433.00a1e800@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <001401c1e1ca$3791a5e0$0700000a@DIASPORA> > -----Original Message----- > > BibleCS has gen. book support? I don't see it. Yes. You need a book to realize it because it uses the commentary pane. There are 4 demo books in the beta area. > Transliteration is in the new help files. I am guessing that > cantillation > and accents are supported (unicode) but there is no user > controls for them > in BibleCS. What do you mean by cross-references? I don't see > anything > dealing with that. Also, headings, & lemmas, should I be > seeing something new? You need modules that have the options for them to be visible. Hebrew vowels & Hebrew cantillation require BHS Greek accents & lemmas require N27U4 (available in the beta area) Cross-references & headings can be found in ISV --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 02:50:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (sword-devel@crosswire.org) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:50:26 EDT Subject: [sword-devel] re:1.53 problem Message-ID: <11d.f57d914.29e7a572@aol.com> --part1_11d.f57d914.29e7a572_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Problem solved. Unfortunately, you have to uninstall 1.52 completely and then install 1.53 to get aound the problems. Thanks for the prayers. --part1_11d.f57d914.29e7a572_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Problem solved. Unfortunately, you have to uninstall 1.52 completely and then install 1.53 to get aound the problems. Thanks for the prayers. --part1_11d.f57d914.29e7a572_boundary-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 04:52:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 11 Apr 2002 22:52:34 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] broken Gnomesword installation In-Reply-To: <1018570219.26464.6.camel@office> References: <1018562847.1590.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1018570219.26464.6.camel@office> Message-ID: <1018587156.1516.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> > You should have a hidden directory '.GnomeSword' delete it and run > gnomesword again. It should start with the setup druid. Note if the > druid finds your modules. > > Let me know what happens. > > Terry > That did it, thank you very much. All modules were now located. Do I have to do the same thing if I install more modules (which I am sure to), or will they be automatically loaded now? Also, I have a problem with the SpaVNT module... instead of vowels with tildes, I get "\'e1" and similar codes. Also, at the end of each verse there is a "\". I do not get the same problem with the SpaSEV or the SpaRV modules, so I do not think it is an installation problem. Should I contact anyone in particular regarding this? God bless, Jorge From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 05:56:06 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:56:06 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Compiling Bibletime 1.1betas with kde3 In-Reply-To: <200204112057.18721.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> References: <200204112057.18721.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <200204120756.06263.mg.pub@gmx.net> Am Freitag, 12. April 2002 02:57 schrieb David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver: > Can it be done? I've tried with both cvs and the source on the sourceforge > site. Do I need to go back and install qt2 or anything like that? No, 1.1 is for KDE2. 1.2 will be delivered to you soon, which is for KDE3. It already runs, but has some errors left. Check the cvs if you want. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 06:43:07 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:43:07 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update Message-ID: <8BFD4FED-4DE0-11D6-8576-003065F084C0@mac.com> Hi, I didn't know if I should really attach an image to the list, so I uploaded a screen shot here: http://nathany.com/lookup.jpg I've been working on a "sheet" (document-modal dialog) to select a module. It is designed to be used whenever a module is selected, and at some point it will be possible to open it as a stand-alone utilities panel. All with the same code and basically the same functionality... so in theory it would be possible to start a download from the select module sheet. I have all the basic stuff working, you can double click things, some items are appropriately disabled, and of course what you select changes what you're viewing. The OutlineView used here doesn't seem to be documented too well, in addition to me being new to Cocoa and Objective-C... so it took quite some time just to get this far. Plus I'm customizing things so they're "just so"... which takes a lot of time compared to "here's a default-style interface." The main thing I want to change, is to add an extra level for languages. I also need to restructure and clean up some code, and handle the "no modules installed" case, the "refresh, i just added some modules" case, and the "cancel selection" (Esc) case. Once I'm done that, I will put new binaries and code up for Alpha2 - then go on to work with RTF or HTML text rendering - Cocoa does indeed support both! - n8 --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 07:20:02 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:20:02 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Compiling Bibletime 1.1betas with kde3 In-Reply-To: <200204120756.06263.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <200204112057.18721.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> <200204120756.06263.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200204120320.03254.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> On Friday 12 April 2002 01:56 am, Martin Gruner wrote: <>< Am Freitag, 12. April 2002 02:57 schrieb David's Mailing List and Spam <>< Receiver: <>< No, 1.1 is for KDE2. 1.2 will be delivered to you soon, which is for KDE3. It <>< already runs, but has some errors left. Check the cvs if you want. Yay, happy. So is there like a maling list that I can use for bibletime questions or anything? -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relativly spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 09:13:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:13:34 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Compiling Bibletime 1.1betas with kde3 In-Reply-To: <200204120320.03254.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> References: <200204112057.18721.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> <200204120756.06263.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200204120320.03254.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <200204121113.34740.mg.pub@gmx.net> Am Freitag, 12. April 2002 09:20 schrieb David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver: > On Friday 12 April 2002 01:56 am, Martin Gruner wrote: > <>< Am Freitag, 12. April 2002 02:57 schrieb David's Mailing List and Spam > <>< Receiver: > <>< No, 1.1 is for KDE2. 1.2 will be delivered to you soon, which is for > KDE3. It > <>< already runs, but has some errors left. Check the cvs if you want. > > Yay, happy. So is there like a maling list that I can use for bibletime > questions or anything? bt-devel@crosswire.org Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 13:47:56 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Dan Bertles) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:47:56 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] NASB Module Error Message-ID: <1018619276.3cb6e58cb7bcf@webmail.namezero.com> NASB 1 Cor 9:27 "but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified." This is not the NASB version. I think the NASB95 is wrong too. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 14:57:25 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Darren DeMeulenaere) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:57:25 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) Message-ID: <7086522E6E20D611B5000002E300376312067D@SDGSYS2> I sent a message, but it never made it...I had an attachment, so that was a no no. Anyway I upgraded my sword to 1.53 for windows. When I did, the MHC came out in a very small text. I uploaded the image to my web page at www.darrensclan.com/swordimage.jpg I downgraded to 1.52, and MHC looks just fine. I looked throughout the settings but didn't see anything that would change it. Do I need to download a newer version of MHC? Darren From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 15:11:09 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 12 Apr 2002 09:11:09 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] font / module / filter problem with the SpaVNT module Message-ID: <1018624270.1516.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings, Using Sword 1.5.3 and GnomeSword 0.7.1 I get strings like "\'f3" within the text in the SpaVNT module. It does NOT happen with the other two Spanish modules (SpaRV, SpaSEV), so it is probably not my installation. Can anyone please help? God bless, Jorge From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 16:48:23 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:48:23 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) In-Reply-To: <7086522E6E20D611B5000002E300376312067D@SDGSYS2> Message-ID: <000301c1e241$dc5c9090$0700000a@DIASPORA> > I sent a message, but it never made it...I had an attachment, > so that was a no no. Anyway I upgraded my sword to 1.53 for > windows. When I did, the MHC came out in a very small text. > I uploaded the image to my web page at > www.darrensclan.com/swordimage.jpg I > downgraded to 1.52, and > MHC looks just fine. I looked throughout the settings but > didn't see anything that would change it. Do I need to > download a newer version of MHC? Yes. 1.5.3 expects valid XML from ThML modules, as found in the updated MHC. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 16:49:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:49:34 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] font / module / filter problem with the SpaVNT module In-Reply-To: <1018624270.1516.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000401c1e242$06948480$0700000a@DIASPORA> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Chacon > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:11 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] font / module / filter problem with > the SpaVNT module > > > Greetings, > > Using Sword 1.5.3 and GnomeSword 0.7.1 I get strings like > "\'f3" within the text in the SpaVNT module. It does NOT > happen with the other two Spanish modules (SpaRV, SpaSEV), so > it is probably not my installation. > > Can anyone please help? > > God bless, > > > Jorge It appears to have embedded RTF codes. I will fix it when I have time, in about 2 weeks. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 17:03:13 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:03:13 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) In-Reply-To: <000301c1e241$dc5c9090$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <7086522E6E20D611B5000002E300376312067D@SDGSYS2> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020412095832.00a05f00@mail.dancris.com> If it hasn't already been posted on the SWORD web page, perhaps that would be a good place to encourage users to upgrade all their modules. I think we can expect a lot of help questions on this. Jerry At 09:48 AM 4/12/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >Yes. 1.5.3 expects valid XML from ThML modules, as found in the updated >MHC. > >--Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 18:26:24 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:26:24 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020412095832.00a05f00@mail.dancris.com> Message-ID: <000501c1e24f$8d8482d0$0700000a@DIASPORA> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org > [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Hastings > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:03 AM > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org; sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: RE: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) > > > If it hasn't already been posted on the SWORD web page, > perhaps that would > be a good place to encourage users to upgrade all their > modules. I think we > can expect a lot of help questions on this. > > Jerry I will, but there's a new problem with module downloads that I can't figure out and so need Troy to investigate. It only affects web downloads, not FTP or InstallMgr downloads. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 21:03:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 12 Apr 2002 15:03:44 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] font / module / filter problem with the SpaVNT module In-Reply-To: <000401c1e242$06948480$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <000401c1e242$06948480$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <1018645425.5210.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thank you very much. God bless, Jorge > > It appears to have embedded RTF codes. I will fix it when I have time, > in about 2 weeks. > > --Chris > > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Fri Apr 12 22:26:59 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Stephen Denne) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:26:59 +1200 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.53 problem (small text in MHC) In-Reply-To: <000501c1e24f$8d8482d0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: > I will, but there's a new problem with module downloads that I can't > figure out and so need Troy to investigate. > > It only affects web downloads, not FTP or InstallMgr downloads. > In case this is related... I had a problem with InstallMgr downloads prior to upgrading - nothing would work, I'd get a mesage saying it couldn't find the file and the file name it showed was garbage. Stephen. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 13 16:45:31 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:45:31 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Typo in Josephus Message-ID: <200204131245.31832.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> 1. AFTER the building of the temple, which, as we have before said, was finished in seven years, the king laid the foundation of his palace, which *be* did not finish under thirteen years Shouldn't the be I've marked in asterices be he? -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 13 18:14:48 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Don A. Elbourne Jr.) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:14:48 -0500 Subject: [sword-devel] Typo in Josephus References: <200204131245.31832.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <002f01c1e317$18f5cf00$ac690e44@no.cox.net> I do not know what the procedure has been in the past for Bible texts, but I am assuming that this issue might be raised even more now that general books support has been implemented. My suggestion would be that any textual anomalies like this be referred to the original content creator, in this case, CCEL. The source text can then be corrected instead of just the sword module. by grace alone, Don A. Elbourne Jr. http://elbourne.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: [sword-devel] Typo in Josephus > 1. AFTER the building of the temple, which, as we have before said, was > finished in seven years, the king laid the foundation of his palace, which > *be* did not finish under thirteen years > > Shouldn't the be I've marked in asterices be he? > -- > David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver > Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 13 20:25:51 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:25:51 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <001d01c1e0a9$4453c500$1d01a8c0@PRAXIS> Message-ID: I have been working on a Mac OS X native client for Sword - haven't gotten very far yet. I'm starting to wonder if that's the best approach. ProjectB already runs under Mac OS X, so once it is merged with JSword it could be tweaked a little for Mac. There are a few things to get the menus up in the right place and stuff like that. - n8 --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 13 22:44:33 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Kees Bergwerf) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:44:33 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] no modules? Message-ID: <200204132141.XAA29207@smtp.hccnet.nl> The easton bible dictionary and the hitchcock bible names module cannot be downloaded :( That is, no .zip file. | Message-ID: <881BD8AA-4F39-11D6-BF79-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> Well, first of all, the zips are never authoritative. They are generated automatically whenever there is a new file. Second, a bunch of modules have been removed because I'm tired of getting bug reports about their not being downloadable. I can't do anything about it. It's a server problem. Troy is the only one who can fix it, and he's in Austria. Hopefully he will check his mail soon and stop/start Tomcat. --Chris On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 03:44 PM, Kees Bergwerf wrote: > > The easton bible dictionary and the hitchcock bible names module cannot > be > downloaded :( > That is, no .zip file. > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 14 03:53:03 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Geoffrey W Hastings) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:53:03 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.3 Message-ID: <20020413.205304.3312.0.geoffreyhastings@juno.com> Running Windows XP Sword version 1.5.3 The font in JFB is super small and in blue letters. I tried removing and re-downloading JFB commentary using the install manager remote source. It doesn't appear to make any difference. Could the files on ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/raw/ be the old JFB module. It didn't show that there was an upgrade version to JFB from the one I already have.. On another note I saw another post saying they were having a similar problem with MHC to the one I have with JFB. MHC works fine for me as it is. Yet the install manager said there was an upgrade version of MHC available. I didn't bother downloading it since the old one works fine for me. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 14 06:18:56 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:18:56 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] HTML filters In-Reply-To: <000301c1d9d2$95532be0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <7FF23EC0-4F6F-11D6-97DF-003065F084C0@mac.com> It seems that if I call module->RenderText() it is already using some kind of filters (RTF possibly). What is the prescribed method to set this up for HTML? I assume I need to do more than just AddRenderFilter(). Thanks, - n8 On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Chris Little wrote: > If there is an HTML widget that you can use for display, you will be > happiest in the long run. Images will be making their way into modules > soon, along with other markup that we probably won't feel like filtering > into RTF or PS or such. Then you can just use the HTMLHREF filters to > get nice HTML output from Sword. > > --Chris > > --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 14 09:52:55 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:52:55 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] 1.5.3 In-Reply-To: <20020413.205304.3312.0.geoffreyhastings@juno.com> Message-ID: <650A876E-4F8D-11D6-BF79-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 08:53 PM, Geoffrey W Hastings wrote: > Running Windows XP > Sword version 1.5.3 > The font in JFB is super small and in blue letters. > I tried removing and re-downloading JFB commentary using the install > manager remote source. > It doesn't appear to make any difference. > Could the files on ftp.crosswire.org/pub/sword/raw/ be the old JFB > module. It didn't show that there was an upgrade version to JFB from the > one I already have.. > On another note I saw another post saying they were having a similar > problem with MHC to the one I have with JFB. MHC works fine for me as it > is. Yet the install manager said there was an upgrade version of MHC > available. I didn't bother downloading it since the old one works fine > for me. It is the same problem as with the old MHC, but I haven't updated the JFB module yet. You should still update your MHC module. You're probably not seeing errors because they only occur in some entries. A version number increment always indicates that something has been fixed or improved. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 07:07:11 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Sven Vollbehr) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:07:11 +0300 Subject: [sword-devel] Arrgg.. Message-ID: <3CBA7C1F.70600@iki.fi> Could someone please modify the following pages NOT to print the valid email addresses. I do not have anything against printing my email address publically if it's not in the proper format (that is the spambots will not regonise it). Those emails could also be represented in form when it's pretty much impossible for a spambot to gather the email address out of it. http://sword.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/WebChanges http://sword.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/WebIndex -- Sven Vollbehr. I don't know what this block of code does. It seems to serve no purpose, but if I remove it, the program stops working. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 07:14:58 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:14:58 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <8BFD4FED-4DE0-11D6-8576-003065F084C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <7E568266-5040-11D6-B336-003065F084C0@mac.com> Well, I haven't got all I set out to do done yet. But I did restructure my data a lot and got my outline view (tree) divided up by languages. See the 3rd screen shot here: http://nathany.com/sword/ Besides the language text being abbreviated 2 letter names, I'm virtually done this panel. I also changed the Books drop-down to a ComboBox that you can type into, and it supports auto completion. So you can type 2-3 letters, press tab and type a chapter, press tab or : and type a verse (each change updates the text below). But I also need to handle "no modules installed" and "pick the first module installed" before putting up a new binary - right now it defaults the first window to ISV. Also a lot of code clean up, some more reorganizing and a lot of comments before my next source upload. (Alpha2) I'm not sure that anyone is actually looking at these binaries or source though. Probably not too many Mac users on this list. Email me if you want to play with the last build. Still hoping on a few tips on HTML/RTF filters before I get to that part. (Alpha3) After that I'll probably look into commentaries, which should be straight forward except I need to learn how to implement split views. Find/Search will be more complicated, but probably use another split view. I have actually designed things out a fair ways already... Sometime before doing a public beta, I will likely rename this app - iSword or something? - n8 On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 12:43 AM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > The main thing I want to change, is to add an extra level for > languages. I also need to restructure and clean up some code, and > handle the "no modules installed" case, the "refresh, i just added some > modules" case, and the "cancel selection" (Esc) case. > > Once I'm done that, I will put new binaries and code up for Alpha2 - > then go on to work with RTF or HTML text rendering - Cocoa does indeed > support both! --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 08:00:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:00:27 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <7E568266-5040-11D6-B336-003065F084C0@mac.com> References: <7E568266-5040-11D6-B336-003065F084C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <200204151000.27114.mg.pub@gmx.net> Hi Nathan, > Still hoping on a few tips on HTML/RTF filters before I get to that > part. (Alpha3) CSwordBackend::CSwordBackend() : SWMgr(0,0,false,new MarkupFilterMgr( FMT_HTML, ENC_UTF8 )) Should do it. Thereby the appropriate filters are set to give you UTF8 HTML output. Though we at BibleTime did our own HTML filters to do some special stuff. Martin > > After that I'll probably look into commentaries, which should be > straight forward except I need to learn how to implement split views. > Find/Search will be more complicated, but probably use another split > view. I have actually designed things out a fair ways already... > > Sometime before doing a public beta, I will likely rename this app - > iSword or something? > > - n8 > > On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 12:43 AM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > > The main thing I want to change, is to add an extra level for > > languages. I also need to restructure and clean up some code, and > > handle the "no modules installed" case, the "refresh, i just added some > > modules" case, and the "cancel selection" (Esc) case. > > > > Once I'm done that, I will put new binaries and code up for Alpha2 - > > then go on to work with RTF or HTML text rendering - Cocoa does indeed > > support both! > > --- > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: nathany at mac.com > Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 08:04:33 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:04:33 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <200204151000.27114.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <7E568266-5040-11D6-B336-003065F084C0@mac.com> <200204151000.27114.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200204151004.33878.mg.pub@gmx.net> > : SWMgr(0,0,false,new MarkupFilterMgr( FMT_HTML, ENC_UTF8 )) > > Should do it. Thereby the appropriate filters are set to give you UTF8 HTML > output. Though we at BibleTime did our own HTML filters to do some special > stuff. Hm. Afraid I spoke up too soon -- there is no FMT_HTML, only FMT_THML. But that is not what you want... Chris? Marti From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 08:54:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:54:27 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <200204151004.33878.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <000801c1e45b$269c7830$0700000a@DIASPORA> > > : SWMgr(0,0,false,new MarkupFilterMgr( FMT_HTML, ENC_UTF8 )) > > > > Should do it. Thereby the appropriate filters are set to > give you UTF8 > > HTML output. Though we at BibleTime did our own HTML filters to do > > some special stuff. > > Hm. Afraid I spoke up too soon -- there is no FMT_HTML, only > FMT_THML. But > that is not what you want... Chris? Hmm, I thought there was a FMT_HTML. In any case, it's probably not the best option. FMT_THML should be good if you want to handle some XML parsing yourself. Or better yet FMT_OSIS if you can wait about a month or two for it to be completely implemented. If you don't want to parse XML yourself, I would recommend Terry's excellent FMT_HTMLHREF filters. They're used in GnomeSword, by Diatheke/CGI, and (IIRC) QPSword. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 09:17:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:17:44 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <7E568266-5040-11D6-B336-003065F084C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <001001c1e45e$66caccb0$0700000a@DIASPORA> > I'm not sure that anyone is actually looking at these > binaries or source > though. Probably not too many Mac users on this list. Email me if you > want to play with the last build. I've been keeping up and think the progress looks great. I am really excited about the prospect of helping out with this stuff once I get a break from other obligations. I would love to get your code up on our CVS server, but we would have to wait until Troy can get an account set up for you, etc. > Sometime before doing a public beta, I will likely rename this app - > iSword or something? It's not a good idea to ask the mailing list for name suggestions. :) >From past experience, everyone will have objections to any name you come up with. And the one that everyone finally does decide they like will be a registered trademark. (Ahh... The memories.) iSword might be somewhat inaccurate since it doesn't really have anything to do with the internet (not that the iPod or iMovie have very much to do with the internet). You can also scan through the mailing list archives to see some of the name proposals for the Windows frontend that were discussed some months back. --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 09:19:10 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:19:10 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Arrgg.. In-Reply-To: <3CBA7C1F.70600@iki.fi> Message-ID: <3CBAA91E.21035.33E556@localhost> This is a wiki bug, on other pages it adds IHATESPAM to the address. As a quick fix, the summary that is shown on WebCHanges and WebIndex is the first 162 characters of the page. So if you pad the top of the page out with stuff then it won't show the email. Regards, Daniel P.S. I'll try and fix it for new registrations to pad it out automatically, but if you could do your own that would help. On 15 Apr 2002 at 10:07, Sven Vollbehr sent forth the message: > > Could someone please modify the following pages NOT to print the valid > email addresses. I do not have anything against printing my email > address publically if it's not in the proper format (that is the > spambots will not regonise it). Those emails could also be represented > in form when it's pretty much > impossible for a spambot to gather the email address out of it. > > http://sword.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/WebChanges > http://sword.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/WebIndex > > -- > Sven Vollbehr. I don't know what this block of code does. It seems > to serve no purpose, but if I remove it, the program stops working. > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 10:50:18 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Geoffrey W Hastings) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 03:50:18 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] ISBE upgrade from Install manager Message-ID: <20020415.035018.2532.3.geoffreyhastings@juno.com> This message is in MIME format. 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----__JNP_000_5b84.6c5f.32a8-- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 16:47:48 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:47:48 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - progress update In-Reply-To: <001001c1e45e$66caccb0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <84B0B516-5090-11D6-A2C3-003065F084C0@mac.com> --Apple-Mail-2--220120722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 03:17 AM, Chris Little wrote: >> I'm not sure that anyone is actually looking at these >> binaries or source >> though. Probably not too many Mac users on this list. Email me if you >> want to play with the last build. > > I've been keeping up and think the progress looks great. I am really > excited about the prospect of helping out with this stuff once I get a > break from other obligations. Well, right now the tips on working with the Sword API are really what I'm looking for. Thanks for that, and to Martin for the code snippet. I haven't been digging into the Sword code or other clients, basically just going off the docs - which leave a bit to be desired. I guess it's not every day that someone decides to write a new client though. :-) I have a fair number of questions... > I would love to get your code up on our CVS server, but we would have to > wait until Troy can get an account set up for you, etc. I'm not all that anxious to use CVS anyway. Partially because I'm still learning, and end up refactoring code almost as often as writing it. Needless to say, Macs are a bit weird. Even though OS X can figure things out by file extension, and Project Builder has CVS built in - I've ran into difficulties with file bundles. The .pbproj (project file) and some other files are actually folders. In the past, I've had some trouble updating changes to them in CVS. May just require some setup on the server-side... Other than those excuses, it would probably be a good idea. :-) Right now my "version control" consists of putting the .app and a source code .sit into my "last build" folder whenever I get a stable build. When I reach some sort of milestone worthy of sending out to this list, I also backup the folders to my iPod. >> Sometime before doing a public beta, I will likely rename this app - >> iSword or something? > > It's not a good idea to ask the mailing list for name suggestions. :) > From past experience, everyone will have objections to any name you come > up with. And the one that everyone finally does decide they like will > be a registered trademark. (Ahh... The memories.) > > iSword might be somewhat inaccurate since it doesn't really have > anything to do with the internet (not that the iPod or iMovie have very > much to do with the internet). You can also scan through the mailing > list archives to see some of the name proposals for the Windows frontend > that were discussed some months back. Well, we do have the module downloading support - not exactly a priority for me to implement though. I don't think that's too far off from iTunes which is mostly a lot of non-Internet stuff, but it has radio stations. Or iPhoto, which can integrate with iTools to update your photo album, and that whole online ordering thing - but still mostly useful as a tool for doing non-Internet things. iPod is certainly questionable - excluding people who "Do steal music"(TM). There are some third-party tools to sync news to it, but other than that - very Internet-unrelated. iApps are all free - so such an association may be a good thing. On the other hand, there aren't too many non-Apple iApps. I'm more concerned about whether to call it "Sword" or something more obvious, like "Bible" :-) But at the moment I'm thinking Sword would be okay if my description is something along the lines of: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. [Eph 6:17] - n8 --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com --Apple-Mail-2--220120722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 03:17 AM, Chris Little wrote: I'm not sure that anyone is actually looking at these binaries or source though. Probably not too many Mac users on this list. Email me if you want to play with the last build. I've been keeping up and think the progress looks great. I am really excited about the prospect of helping out with this stuff once I get a break from other obligations. Well, right now the tips on working with the Sword API are really what I'm looking for. Thanks for that, and to Martin for the code snippet. I haven't been digging into the Sword code or other clients, basically just going off the docs - which leave a bit to be desired. I guess it's not every day that someone decides to write a new client though. :-) I have a fair number of questions... I would love to get your code up on our CVS server, but we would have to wait until Troy can get an account set up for you, etc. I'm not all that anxious to use CVS anyway. Partially because I'm still learning, and end up refactoring code almost as often as writing it. Needless to say, Macs are a bit weird. Even though OS X can figure things out by file extension, and Project Builder has CVS built in - I've ran into difficulties with file bundles. The .pbproj (project file) and some other files are actually folders. In the past, I've had some trouble updating changes to them in CVS. May just require some setup on the server-side... Other than those excuses, it would probably be a good idea. :-) Right now my "version control" consists of putting the .app and a source code .sit into my "last build" folder whenever I get a stable build. When I reach some sort of milestone worthy of sending out to this list, I also backup the folders to my iPod. Sometime before doing a public beta, I will likely rename this app - iSword or something? It's not a good idea to ask the mailing list for name suggestions. :) >From past experience, everyone will have objections to any name you come up with. And the one that everyone finally does decide they like will be a registered trademark. (Ahh... The memories.) iSword might be somewhat inaccurate since it doesn't really have anything to do with the internet (not that the iPod or iMovie have very much to do with the internet). You can also scan through the mailing list archives to see some of the name proposals for the Windows frontend that were discussed some months back. Well, we do have the module downloading support - not exactly a priority for me to implement though. I don't think that's too far off from iTunes which is mostly a lot of non-Internet stuff, but it has radio stations. Or iPhoto, which can integrate with iTools to update your photo album, and that whole online ordering thing - but still mostly useful as a tool for doing non-Internet things. iPod is certainly questionable - excluding people who "Do steal music"(TM). There are some third-party tools to sync news to it, but other than that - very Internet-unrelated. iApps are all free - so such an association may be a good thing. On the other hand, there aren't too many non-Apple iApps. I'm more concerned about whether to call it "Sword" or something more obvious, like "Bible" :-) But at the moment I'm thinking Sword would be okay if my description is something along the lines of: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. [Eph 6:17] - n8 --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com --Apple-Mail-2--220120722-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 15 21:46:46 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:46:46 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] modules fixed In-Reply-To: <200204132141.XAA29207@smtp.hccnet.nl> Message-ID: <48C18D1A-50BA-11D6-BF79-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> The modules that I removed a couple days ago because they couldn't be downloaded are back. Troy restarted Tomcat and now they work again. Thank you Troy! Now please go do some vacationing. :) --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 00:00:21 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:00:21 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: <200204151004.33878.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: Okay, so I got this working with FMT_HTMLHREF (and there does appear to be a FMT_HTML as well, but I never tried it). Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a tag in HTML before!? Is ENC_UTF16 supposed to be Unicode, and what are these other encoding types? Does ENC_HTML use character entities or something? I'm hoping I don't have to write any filters myself - trying to stay away from Model code as much as possible to concentrate on building a good UI. But I am a web developer by profession, so I'm sure I could figure it out if I had to... :-). - n8 On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 02:04 AM, Martin Gruner wrote: >> : SWMgr(0,0,false,new MarkupFilterMgr( FMT_HTML, ENC_UTF8 )) >> >> Should do it. Thereby the appropriate filters are set to give you UTF8 >> HTML >> output. Though we at BibleTime did our own HTML filters to do some >> special >> stuff. > > Hm. Afraid I spoke up too soon -- there is no FMT_HTML, only FMT_THML. > But > that is not what you want... Chris? > > Marti > > --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 02:22:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:22:26 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry for all the questions. I got it working with FMT_HTMLHREF and ENC_HTML. I don't know if the ENC_HTML entities handle Greek/Hebrew/etc, but I'll assume they do for now. - n8 On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 06:00 PM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > > Okay, so I got this working with FMT_HTMLHREF (and there does appear to > be a FMT_HTML as well, but I never tried it). > > Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a tag in HTML > before!? > > Is ENC_UTF16 supposed to be Unicode, and what are these other encoding > types? Does ENC_HTML use character entities or something? > --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 03:24:29 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:24:29 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] HTML Markup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <761A7396-50E9-11D6-A2C3-003065F084C0@mac.com> Another question, If I want to get a whole chapter with the verse numbers in superscript, would I need to loop over each verse and do that manually, or is there a better way? Right now I'm trying to get the loop working, but it seems module++; is blowing things up - I thought this would increment the key associated with the module? - n8 On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 08:22 PM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > > Sorry for all the questions. I got it working with FMT_HTMLHREF and > ENC_HTML. I don't know if the ENC_HTML entities handle > Greek/Hebrew/etc, but I'll assume they do for now. > > - n8 > --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 11:08:43 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:08:43 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c1e537$12d8e1d0$0700000a@DIASPORA> > Okay, so I got this working with FMT_HTMLHREF (and there does > appear to > be a FMT_HTML as well, but I never tried it). > > Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a > tag in HTML > before!? There are some non-HTML conventions used in FMT_HTMLHREF that require parsing & filtering on the client side. Maybe Terry could elaborate. Or maybe you can figure them all out by reading the source. > Is ENC_UTF16 supposed to be Unicode, and what are these other > encoding > types? Does ENC_HTML use character entities or something? ENC_UTF16 is supposed to be UTF-16 but I would not recommend using it because it is still untested. ENC_HTML should do numeric character entities. I would recommend using ENC_UTF8 and setting the character encoding to UTF-8 since it will buy you a little bit extra speed in most cases (by virtue of not requiring any character conversions). --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 12:51:35 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Terry Biggs) Date: 16 Apr 2002 08:51:35 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: <001e01c1e537$12d8e1d0$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <001e01c1e537$12d8e1d0$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <1018961497.11586.6.camel@office> On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 07:08, Chris Little wrote: > > > > Okay, so I got this working with FMT_HTMLHREF (and there does > > appear to > > be a FMT_HTML as well, but I never tried it). > > > > Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a > > tag in HTML > > before!? You probably want see it again either :) It's just a comment and replaces the

I catch and if the user has selected to view the Bible Text in verses I just ignore it. Other wise it gets replaced with

. > > There are some non-HTML conventions used in FMT_HTMLHREF that require > parsing & filtering on the client side. Maybe Terry could elaborate. > Or maybe you can figure them all out by reading the source. > > > Is ENC_UTF16 supposed to be Unicode, and what are these other > > encoding > > types? Does ENC_HTML use character entities or something? > > ENC_UTF16 is supposed to be UTF-16 but I would not recommend using it > because it is still untested. ENC_HTML should do numeric character > entities. I would recommend using ENC_UTF8 and setting the character > encoding to UTF-8 since it will buy you a little bit extra speed in most > cases (by virtue of not requiring any character conversions). > > --Chris > > -- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 23:51:54 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Troy A. Griffitts) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:51:54 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] HTML Markup References: <761A7396-50E9-11D6-A2C3-003065F084C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <3CBCB91A.21E89F03@crosswire.org> Nathan, Excited about your work. module++ should work (be sure you have an object and not a pointer, e.g. (*module)++). You can see swdisprtfchap.cpp or something like that down under apps/windows/ somewhere. :) The idea is to subclass SWDisplay and set this in your module, then a simple module->Display() whenever you need to refresh will suffice. Usually, a UI writer will also subclass SWMgr and override some of the methods that get called 'per module' on startup, like AddRenderFilter, or the like, but with Chris' new FilterMgr, many people don't need this. Used to be the method would be overridden to do what you suggested earlier: (*module) << myRenderFilter. If you would like more control, you can do this. The windows client does to still catch a few special modules and adds it's own special render filters. You can check it out if you would like an example: biblecsmgr.cpp Please keep asking questions!!! Looking forward to finally telling people, YES we have a mac version! -Troy. Nathan Youngman wrote: > > Another question, > > If I want to get a whole chapter with the verse numbers in superscript, > would I need to loop over each verse and do that manually, or is there a > better way? > > Right now I'm trying to get the loop working, but it seems module++; is > blowing things up - I thought this would increment the key associated > with the module? > > - n8 > > On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 08:22 PM, Nathan Youngman wrote: > > > > Sorry for all the questions. I got it working with FMT_HTMLHREF and > > ENC_HTML. I don't know if the ENC_HTML entities handle > > Greek/Hebrew/etc, but I'll assume they do for now. > > > > - n8 > > > --- > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: nathany at mac.com > Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 16 20:05:45 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:05:45 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: <1018961497.11586.6.camel@office> Message-ID: <5658C894-5175-11D6-AAFE-003065F084C0@mac.com> So a normal

could occur in other places where it is left in? - n8 On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 06:51 AM, Terry Biggs wrote: > On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 07:08, Chris Little wrote: >>> Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a >>> tag in HTML >>> before!? > > You probably want see it again either :) > It's just a comment and replaces the

I catch and if the user has > selected to view the Bible Text in verses I just ignore it. Other wise > it gets replaced with

. > > --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 18 20:54:36 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Terry Biggs) Date: 18 Apr 2002 16:54:36 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Mac OS X client - HTML Markup In-Reply-To: <5658C894-5175-11D6-AAFE-003065F084C0@mac.com> References: <5658C894-5175-11D6-AAFE-003065F084C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <1019163282.28251.5.camel@office> On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 16:05, Nathan Youngman wrote: > > So a normal

could occur in other places where it is left in? > it is always replace with

, sorry. It is a lot of trouble to remove it but no trouble to add it in gnomesword. There is one
added also. Maybe in 1.5.4 we can add the

. > - n8 > > On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 06:51 AM, Terry Biggs wrote: > > > On Tue, 2002-04-16 at 07:08, Chris Little wrote: > >>> Looks pretty good, though I can't say I've ever seen a > >>> tag in HTML > >>> before!? > > > > You probably want see it again either :) > > It's just a comment and replaces the

I catch and if the user has > > selected to view the Bible Text in verses I just ignore it. Other wise > > it gets replaced with

. > > > > > --- > Nathan Youngman > E-mail: nathany at mac.com > Web: http://nathany.com > > -- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 18 21:07:51 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Ross, Perry) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:07:51 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Gimme something to do Message-ID: Hi all. I've been lurking for a week or so, trying to get an idea of what's going on before posting, but the list seems kinda quiet right now. Anyhow, I was hoping to find something to help with, but I'm not real picky. I've been writing c++ for nearly a decade, and Java for a year or so (but it's seemed like a decade :-). My home box has 98SE, 2000pro and debian linux, and I suppose I could load Solaris too, if anyone cares. I'm no good at writing gui's, I usually end up on the back end, but hey, whatever. If you can use some help, gimme a yell. -- Perry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 20 13:16:42 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:16:42 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] prn2sword for german locale? Message-ID: <200204201323.g3KDNAI29318@www.crosswire.org> Chris, I'm trying to create a GerElb1871 module for Sword. I extraceted the text from the Olb module by printing the verselist as explained in the prn2sword program. But since the module is a german one german book names are used in the outputfile. I think prn2swiord can't handle this. Is there a way to create a module using the german book names? I'd be really glad about this. Thank you for your patience, Joachim From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 20 22:02:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joachim Ansorg) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:02:27 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] prn2sword for german locale? In-Reply-To: <200204201323.g3KDNAI29318@www.crosswire.org> References: <200204201323.g3KDNAI29318@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <200204202207.g3KM7XI32658@www.crosswire.org> I got it working. I made a commandline version of prn2sword of it to work on linux and it worked! Somehow the windows version did not work. I'll upload the Elberfelder 1871 module when I have a working account. Joachim > Chris, > I'm trying to create a GerElb1871 module for Sword. I extraceted the text > > >from the Olb module by printing the verselist as explained in the > > prn2sword > > program. > > But since the module is a german one german book names are used in the > outputfile. I think prn2swiord can't handle this. Is there a way to create > a module using the german book names? I'd be really glad about this. > > Thank you for your patience, > Joachim From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 21 00:55:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Nathan Youngman) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:55:26 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] make with gcc 3.1 fails Message-ID: <7823B8A6-54C2-11D6-BB70-003065F084C0@mac.com> I tried to do a build with gcc 3.1, but it complains about iostream.h (or something it's including) being a deprecated header file. This is the current cvs code I'm building, and reverting back to gcc 2.95 works fine. I'm not sure if it is my environment (3.1 is beta on Mac) or something that could be corrected in the Sword code. So I'm wondering if anyone successfully uses gcc 3.x on other platforms? The actual error message is below. - n8 --- In file included from /usr/include/gcc/darwin/3.1/g++-v3/backward/iostream.h:31, from ../src/mgr/swmgr.cpp:35: /usr/include/gcc/darwin/3.1/g++-v3/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the header for the header for C++ includes, or instead of the deprecated header . To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated. --- Nathan Youngman E-mail: nathany at mac.com Web: http://nathany.com From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 21 00:45:19 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joshua Holman) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:45:19 -1000 Subject: [sword-devel] RV 1881? Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1E87A.020942A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Fellow SWORD-Mongers, I was wondering, has anyone in the UK (or anywhere else in the world) found a copy of the English Revised Version, the version that the ASV was based on? 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Message-ID: One of the good features of web browsers is that they can use helpers to accomodate other applications. Does anyone know if we are heading in that direction to support graphics and/or multimedia? Steve Tang... From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 21 13:06:55 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Mario Valente) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:06:55 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Bug: Message-ID: <000001c1e935$6c8923f0$6401a8c0@xp888> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_2oIj2ywq4zjeP+PxnNIDWw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, I can't seem to download any Tester beta modules-addins from the developer website. For example when trying to download any in the bible texts, it returns with an error message that it is not available. Is there anything else that must be done to download any beta modules? With much agape in Christ, Mario --Boundary_(ID_2oIj2ywq4zjeP+PxnNIDWw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi,

 

I can’t seem to download any Tester beta modules-addins from the developer website.

For example when trying to download any in the bible texts, it returns with an error message that it is not available.

Is there anything else that must be done to download any beta modules?

 

With much agape in Christ,

Mario

--Boundary_(ID_2oIj2ywq4zjeP+PxnNIDWw)-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 15:06:14 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Bitmead) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:06:14 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching Message-ID: <3CC57866.9060201@bitmead.com> I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" for example. From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 15:19:07 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:19:07 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <3CC57866.9060201@bitmead.com> References: <3CC57866.9060201@bitmead.com> Message-ID: <200204231719.07969.mg.pub@gmx.net> > I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish > I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" > for example. You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 17:42:16 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Kevin Montgomery) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:42:16 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <200204231719.07969.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: Will that always work? What if you have a sentence such as: "If you play the fool, you will have nothing." With the comma next to the word I assume it would not pick it up. Similarly if the word is at the end of a sentence and has a full stop (period) next to it that will not pick up either. Regards Kevin -----Original Message----- From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of Martin Gruner Sent: 23 April 2002 16:19 To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Sword Searching > I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish > I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" > for example. You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 18:15:59 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:15:59 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204232016.00003.mg.pub@gmx.net> > Similarly if the word is at the end of a sentence and has a full stop > (period) next to it that will not pick up either. You have a point. Using regular expressions would probably work here. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 19:12:38 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Kees Bergwerf) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:12:38 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] switch Message-ID: <200204231909.VAA08301@smtp.hccnet.nl> About the bibletime program: When I have more then 1 translation open and 1 or more commentaries that are synchronised with the text, this synchronisation is active for ALL translations that are open. Sometimes I like to look in another book of a translation but immediately the commentaries changes also. Is it possible to make a switch for each translation: sync yes/no, so when it is no, the commentaries will never synchronised with that translation. Then I can brows in a translation without changing the commentaries. I hope I desribed the problem well enough. O know.. I can switch the sync off for the notes... but that is not so easy to use. I have installed bibletime 1.1 together with sword 1.5.3 and I must say that I am impressed! | Hello all, I'm using Sword for Windows 1.5.3 on Windows 98. When I use the search window and select "Custom Range" but do not select anything for the custom range I get a fatal exception. Thanks for all the great work done on this project! Jacob From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 23 20:05:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jacob Daniel) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:05:44 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <200204231719.07969.mg.pub@gmx.net>; from mg.pub@gmx.net on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200 References: <3CC57866.9060201@bitmead.com> <200204231719.07969.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20020423160544.B469@browser.net> I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: > > I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish > > I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" > > for example. > > You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. > > Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 10:03:23 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Bitmead) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:03:23 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching References: <3CC57866.9060201@bitmead.com> <200204231719.07969.mg.pub@gmx.net> <20020423160544.B469@browser.net> Message-ID: <3CC682EB.6060905@bitmead.com> Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible reader. And the ability to search for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? Jacob Daniel wrote: >I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. > >On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: > >>>I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish >>>I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" >>>for example. >>> >>You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. >> >>Martin >> From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 17:07:55 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Clyde PRICE) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:07:55 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] NASB Module Error References: <1018619276.3cb6e58cb7bcf@webmail.namezero.com> Message-ID: <3CC6E66B.2DDC102B@bellsouth.net> Dan, I checked the NASB95 at hand, and found that this verse is exactly as you supplied. --Clyde Dan Bertles wrote: > > NASB 1 Cor 9:27 "but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after > I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified." > > This is not the NASB version. I think the NASB95 is wrong too. -- Clyde C. PRICE, Jr. h-678-393-1782, m-678-491-0469 reply to: Founder & President, the Christian Digital Library Foundation To learn more write . CDLF is looking for Scribes, Eager Readers, and other friends to enjoy, distribute, and produce digital Christian books and other resources to build up the Body of Christ. Vice President, Parakletos Ministries Inc. PM seeks to support the ministries of local churches in building evangelizing Kingdom-seeking disciples. Box 214, Suite 205 11770 Haynes Bridge Rd. Alpharetta, GA 30004 USA From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 17:58:43 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:58:43 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] current iso - critical bug Message-ID: <200204241958.43377.mg.pub@gmx.net> Hello, I downloaded and burned the current iso. When I select "Run from CD-Rom", BibleCS comes up without modules. Installmgr can find them on the cd (after setting the local path!), install them, but they will not show up as installed! BibleCS will then come up empty again. Is this my fault? I suggest that the image be fixed and updated. Troy, this makes the current pressed stack almost unusable (if not my error)! Sorry. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:17:09 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:17:09 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] current iso - critical bug In-Reply-To: <200204241958.43377.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: This is correct. We knew about this error before the pressing, but it's a short run. You have to actually install BibleCS to a hard drive. --Chris On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 10:58 AM, Martin Gruner wrote: > Hello, > > I downloaded and burned the current iso. When I select "Run from > CD-Rom", > BibleCS comes up without modules. Installmgr can find them on the cd > (after > setting the local path!), install them, but they will not show up as > installed! BibleCS will then come up empty again. > > Is this my fault? I suggest that the image be fixed and updated. Troy, > this > makes the current pressed stack almost unusable (if not my error)! > Sorry. > > Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:19:31 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:19:31 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <3CC682EB.6060905@bitmead.com> Message-ID: We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial for the FAQ? --Chris On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:03 AM, Chris Bitmead wrote: > Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible > reader. And the ability to search > for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? > > Jacob Daniel wrote: > >> I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: >> >>>> I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish >>>> I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" >>>> for example. >>>> >>> You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. >>> >>> Martin >>> > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:23:35 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:23:35 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] prn2sword for german locale? In-Reply-To: <200204202207.g3KM7XI32658@www.crosswire.org> Message-ID: <8931340C-57C9-11D6-8556-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> Joachim- I'm happy to hear you found a solution, but prn2sword really should have worked. There might have been a change in the OLB format since the last time I updated prn2sword, so I will check into it. --Chris On Saturday, April 20, 2002, at 03:02 PM, Joachim Ansorg wrote: > I got it working. I made a commandline version of prn2sword of it to > work on > linux and it worked! Somehow the windows version did not work. > > I'll upload the Elberfelder 1871 module when I have a working account. > > Joachim > >> Chris, >> I'm trying to create a GerElb1871 module for Sword. I extraceted the >> text >> >>> from the Olb module by printing the verselist as explained in the >>> prn2sword >> >> program. >> >> But since the module is a german one german book names are used in the >> outputfile. I think prn2swiord can't handle this. Is there a way to >> create >> a module using the german book names? I'd be really glad about this. >> >> Thank you for your patience, >> Joachim From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:29:07 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:29:07 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Gimme something to do In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4F18F7C5-57CA-11D6-8556-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> Welcome Perry! What aspects of Sword interest you? We have a Java port still in its early stages and lots of work to do in the C++ library (new search drivers, new module drivers, etc.). I suppose where you can best help out depends mostly on your interests & expertise. Troy might have some projects in mind that need work, but he's in Rome at the moment . --Chris On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 02:07 PM, Ross, Perry wrote: > Hi all. I've been lurking for a week or so, trying to get an idea of > what's going on before posting, > but the list seems kinda quiet right now. Anyhow, I was hoping to find > something to help with, > but I'm not real picky. I've been writing c++ for nearly a decade, and > Java for a year or so (but it's > seemed like a decade :-). My home box has 98SE, 2000pro and debian > linux, and I suppose I > could load Solaris too, if anyone cares. I'm no good at writing gui's, > I usually end up on the back > end, but hey, whatever. If you can use some help, gimme a yell. > > -- Perry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:30:22 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:30:22 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Bug: In-Reply-To: <000001c1e935$6c8923f0$6401a8c0@xp888> Message-ID: <7BA9307F-57CA-11D6-8556-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> --Apple-Mail-1-574433078 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Yes, beta modules may only be downloaded via FTP (or with InstallMgr). =20= Fixing the webpage download is on my todo list. --Chris On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 06:06 AM, Mario Valente wrote: > Hi, > > =A0 > > I can=92t seem to download any Tester beta modules-addins from the=20 > developer website. > > For example when trying to download any in the bible texts, it returns=20= > with an error message that it is not available. > > Is there anything else that must be done to download any beta modules? > > =A0 > > With much agape in Christ, > > Mario > --Apple-Mail-1-574433078 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Yes, beta modules may only be downloaded via FTP (or with InstallMgr).=20= Fixing the webpage download is on my todo list. --Chris On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 06:06 AM, Mario Valente wrote: = ArialHi, Arial=A0 ArialI can=92t seem to download any Tester beta modules-addins from the developer = website. ArialFor example when trying to download any in the bible texts, it returns with an error message that it is not available. ArialIs there anything else that must be done to download any beta modules? Arial=A0 ArialWith much agape in = Christ, ArialMario = --Apple-Mail-1-574433078-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:31:53 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:31:53 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] maps, charts in the plan for SWORD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Troy added an image support protocol to the library in 1.5.3, but at the moment their are neither modules nor frontends that use it. So it's in the plan to be handled soon. No plans for multimedia, but we could think about handling them in a similar fashion. --Chris On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 04:26 AM, Steve Tang wrote: > One of the good features of web browsers is that they can use helpers to > accomodate other applications. Does anyone know if we are heading in > that > direction to support graphics and/or multimedia? > > Steve Tang... > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 21:48:21 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 24 Apr 2002 15:48:21 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019684902.13199.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well, With all the prospective users I know, not even a 2-hour class on regular expressions would do the trick. Seriously, is our target computer-savvy users or Christians that happen to use a computer? I do not claim to know the answer, but the answer to this question should dictate the solution. Jorge On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 15:19, Chris Little wrote: > We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about > regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial > for the FAQ? > > --Chris > > On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:03 AM, Chris Bitmead wrote: > > > Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible > > reader. And the ability to search > > for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? > > > > Jacob Daniel wrote: > > > >> I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: > >> > >>>> I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish > >>>> I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" > >>>> for example. > >>>> > >>> You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. > >>> > >>> Martin > >>> > > > > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 22:47:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Trotz) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:47:27 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching References: <1019684902.13199.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <002401c1ebe2$0316b2c0$0100007f@localhost> Perhaps we could create a "complex search" wizard that makes complex searches within Sword for Windows easier to create with several steps in "wizard" format. But for now I think this would be a 2.0 issue and 2.0 isn't here yet? :) Hint hint. David Trotz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Chacon" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Sword Searching > Well, > > With all the prospective users I know, not even a 2-hour class on > regular expressions would do the trick. > > Seriously, is our target computer-savvy users or Christians that happen > to use a computer? I do not claim to know the answer, but the answer to > this question should dictate the solution. > > Jorge > > > On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 15:19, Chris Little wrote: > > We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about > > regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial > > for the FAQ? > > > > --Chris > > > > On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:03 AM, Chris Bitmead wrote: > > > > > Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible > > > reader. And the ability to search > > > for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? > > > > > > Jacob Daniel wrote: > > > > > >> I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. > > >> > > >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: > > >> > > >>>> I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish > > >>>> I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" > > >>>> for example. > > >>>> > > >>> You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. > > >>> > > >>> Martin > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 22:51:28 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David Burry) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:51:28 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <1019684902.13199.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020424153413.0311ccf0@130.248.127.106> In most open source projects I've seen, people primarily write free code because they want to use it, the fact that others may (or may not) find it useful too is secondary. It seems to be a natural thing that open source in general fosters among the selfish human race. It's not as bad here as we all seem to have more of a "missionary" spirit, but it's still a lot of work to code, so I know I need to get really excited about something before I'll dive headlong into it (and if you're already more excited about it than me then you'll likely beat me to it). Does that help explain some? Dave At 03:48 PM 4/24/2002 -0600, Jorge Chacon wrote: >Well, > >With all the prospective users I know, not even a 2-hour class on >regular expressions would do the trick. > >Seriously, is our target computer-savvy users or Christians that happen >to use a computer? I do not claim to know the answer, but the answer to >this question should dictate the solution. > >Jorge > > >On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 15:19, Chris Little wrote: >> We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about >> regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial >> for the FAQ? >> >> --Chris >> >> On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:03 AM, Chris Bitmead wrote: >> >> > Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible >> > reader. And the ability to search >> > for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? >> > >> > Jacob Daniel wrote: >> > >> >> I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: >> >> >> >>>> I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish >> >>>> I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" >> >>>> for example. >> >>>> >> >>> You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. >> >>> >> >>> Martin >> >>> >> > >> >> From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 22:50:44 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jerry Hastings) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:50:44 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: References: <3CC682EB.6060905@bitmead.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020424154549.00a2eea0@mail.dancris.com> At 02:19 PM 4/24/2002 -0700, Chris Little wrote: >We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about >regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial >for the FAQ? > >--Chris In BibleCS Go to: Help/Contents/HowToSearch/SearchingForExactWords And also, Help/Contents/SearchWindow/RegularExpressions. Jerry From sword-devel@crosswire.org Wed Apr 24 23:29:34 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 24 Apr 2002 17:29:34 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <002401c1ebe2$0316b2c0$0100007f@localhost> References: <1019684902.13199.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002401c1ebe2$0316b2c0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <1019690975.2080.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think that might be a lot easier on users, yes. I mean, I do not mind a regexp search, but trying to teach my pastor how to do one is a whole different ballgame Jorge On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 16:47, David Trotz wrote: > Perhaps we could create a "complex search" wizard that makes complex > searches within Sword for Windows easier to create with several steps in > "wizard" format. But for now I think this would be a 2.0 issue and 2.0 isn't > here yet? :) Hint hint. > David Trotz > From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 01:14:28 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Little) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:14:28 -0700 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <002401c1ebe2$0316b2c0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <001401c1ebf6$8c374880$0700000a@DIASPORA> > -----Original Message----- > Perhaps we could create a "complex search" wizard that makes > complex searches within Sword for Windows easier to create > with several steps in "wizard" format. But for now I think > this would be a 2.0 issue and 2.0 isn't here yet? :) Hint > hint. David Trotz Who are you hint hinting to? You're the BibleCS pumpkinholder, or didn't you realize that? --Chris From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 03:36:36 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 24 Apr 2002 21:36:36 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Spanish NVI module broken? Message-ID: <1019705817.2014.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Is the SpaNVI module broken? In the site there is a 1KB "errata" file instead of the old testament files. Jorge From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 09:43:22 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:43:22 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching In-Reply-To: <001401c1ebf6$8c374880$0700000a@DIASPORA> References: <001401c1ebf6$8c374880$0700000a@DIASPORA> Message-ID: <200204251143.23055.mg.pub@gmx.net> > Who are you hint hinting to? You're the BibleCS pumpkinholder, or > didn't you realize that? Good point. David, may I suggest (fitting to what you might expect from me ;) that the already existing sf page (http://sf.net/projects/biblecs) be used to coordinate the development? Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 09:45:27 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:45:27 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] current iso - critical bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204251145.27953.mg.pub@gmx.net> > This is correct. We knew about this error before the pressing, but it's > a short run. You have to actually install BibleCS to a hard drive. > > Installmgr can find them on the cd (after > > setting the local path!), install them, but they will not show up as > > installed! BibleCS will then come up empty again. As already pointed out, BibleCS will not find them, even if it is installed on the disk, and the modules installed as well. Installmgr will always have the list of installed modules empty, even after installing some. Now that _is_ a problem. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 12:37:29 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Joshua Holman) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:37:29 -1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Bug: In-Reply-To: <7BA9307F-57CA-11D6-8556-0030657B772E@crosswire.org> Message-ID: <000301c1ec55$fa78f190$884a4140@JoshPC> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1EC02.28CCE190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Does BETA modules mean locked modules? I've wanted to try the NAS95 and NRSV with the Win32 frontend. Joshua -----Original Message----- From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:30 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Bug: Yes, beta modules may only be downloaded via FTP (or with InstallMgr). Fixing the webpage download is on my todo list. --Chris On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 06:06 AM, Mario Valente wrote: Hi, I can't seem to download any Tester beta modules-addins from the developer website. For example when trying to download any in the bible texts, it returns with an error message that it is not available. Is there anything else that must be done to download any beta modules? With much agape in Christ, Mario ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1EC02.28CCE190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chris, =

 

Does BETA = modules mean locked modules? I’ve wanted to try the NAS95 and = NRSV with the Win32 frontend.

 

Joshua

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org [mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org] = On Behalf Of Chris Little
Sent: Wednesday, April = 24, 2002 11:30 AM
To: = sword-devel@crosswire.org
Subject: Re: = [sword-devel] Bug:

 

Yes, beta modules may only be downloaded via = FTP (or with InstallMgr). Fixing the webpage download is on my todo list.

--Chris

On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 06:06 AM, Mario Valente = wrote:

Hi,

 

I can’t seem to download any = Tester beta modules-addins from the developer website.

For example when trying to download = any in the bible texts, it returns with an error message that it is not = available.

Is there anything else that must be = done to download any beta modules?

 

With much agape in Christ,

Mario

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1EC02.28CCE190-- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Thu Apr 25 14:43:15 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Chris Bitmead) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:43:15 +1000 Subject: [sword-devel] Sword Searching References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020424153413.0311ccf0@130.248.127.106> Message-ID: <3CC81603.6000302@bitmead.com> Well if \bword\b is actually a solution, then presumably coding up an "exact word match" option should be easy. Just substitute the \b before each word and call the regexp code. Actually I thought I was pretty expert in regexps, but I havn't heard of \b. David Burry wrote: >In most open source projects I've seen, people primarily write free code because they want to use it, the fact that others may (or may not) find it useful too is secondary. It seems to be a natural thing that open source in general fosters among the selfish human race. It's not as bad here as we all seem to have more of a "missionary" spirit, but it's still a lot of work to code, so I know I need to get really excited about something before I'll dive headlong into it (and if you're already more excited about it than me then you'll likely beat me to it). Does that help explain some? > >Dave > > >At 03:48 PM 4/24/2002 -0600, Jorge Chacon wrote: > >>Well, >> >>With all the prospective users I know, not even a 2-hour class on >>regular expressions would do the trick. >> >>Seriously, is our target computer-savvy users or Christians that happen >>to use a computer? I do not claim to know the answer, but the answer to >>this question should dictate the solution. >> >>Jorge >> >> >>On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 15:19, Chris Little wrote: >> >>>We could use this as a good excuse to start teaching the commoners about >>>regular expressions. Anyone feel like finding/writing a regex tutorial >>>for the FAQ? >>> >>>--Chris >>> >>>On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:03 AM, Chris Bitmead wrote: >>> >>>>Call me a "fool" but I think this is too geeky for your typical bible >>>>reader. And the ability to search >>>>for a word is, well, pretty fundamental don't you think? >>>> >>>>Jacob Daniel wrote: >>>> >>>>>I believe that \bfool\b with Regular Expression search should work. >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 05:19:07PM +0200, Martin Gruner wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>I wish you could do plain word searches in Sword. I.e. I wish >>>>>>>I could search for "fool" without getting all references to "foolish" >>>>>>>for example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>You can. Search for " fool ", using exact search. >>>>>> >>>>>>Martin >>>>>> >>> From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sat Apr 27 11:52:20 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Steve Tang) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 05:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [sword-devel] windoze addld & addvs Message-ID: Does anyone have these utilities for windoze? Steve Tang... From sword-devel@crosswire.org Sun Apr 28 19:49:05 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:49:05 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Some BibleCS and Bibletime Questions Message-ID: <200204281549.06309.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Ok, I really like the Bibletime interface and many of it's features (especially in the search area) and would like to see them in the or a windows client. I'd be happy to contribute to BibleCS, except I'm not a C/C++ programmer, just a pathetic perl and Delph/Kylix hacker. Anything I could do to help? Oh yeah, I also tried subscribing to the bt-devel list but never got approved, who's department is that? -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 06:42:00 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:42:00 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Personal Comentary Location Message-ID: <200204290242.01283.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> I run a dual boot system and have my sword modules on the windows partition (since it's currently the bigger one) but would like to be able to have per user personal commentary on my *nix partiton. but still have a personal commentary for windows too. Is this possible in the curren codebase (release or cvs)? And if it isn't, what is the biggest hinderance? I don't have C/C++ skills but I'm good at figuring out how stuff works and how to fix it. -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 11:00:23 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Steve Tang) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [sword-devel] Re: windoze addld & addvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please ignore previous post. 1.5.3 compiled on cygwin for me for some reason. I've had no luck a few times before with linux and cygwin. With addld, I've put together a English-to-Strong's dictionary module. Let me know if anyone is interested. Steve Tang... From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 13:14:53 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Jorge Chacon) Date: 29 Apr 2002 07:14:53 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Tester modules Message-ID: <1020086094.24184.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> God bless us all, I FTP-downloaded and installed the Spanish tester-only modules (to make sure they work on GnomeSword 0.72 and to check they do not have strange codes in them as the freely-available Valera New Testament does), but every time I click the tab of one of them the program crashes with a segmentation fault. I must have done something wrong, so any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jorge Chacón From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 11:53:51 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Daniel Glassey) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:53:51 +0100 Subject: [sword-devel] Personal Comentary Location In-Reply-To: <200204290242.01283.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <3CCD425F.2964.2D34EF@localhost> Yes, it is possible with 1.5.3 or CVS. Put the personal commentary under ~/.sword for any user that wants it. To avoid confusion you should to rename the main 'personal' module to something else like 'group' by renaming the personal.conf file to something else and rename the data paths and things. If you want to have personal modules on a per user basis under windows as well, I think you might be able to store the modules under $HOME\.sword but I can't say for sure offhand. hth, Daniel On 29 Apr 2002 at 2:42, David's Mailing List and Spam sent forth the message: > I run a dual boot system and have my sword modules on the windows partition > (since it's currently the bigger one) but would like to be able to have per > user personal commentary on my *nix partiton. but still have a personal > commentary for windows too. Is this possible in the curren codebase (release > or cvs)? And if it isn't, what is the biggest hinderance? I don't have C/C++ > skills but I'm good at figuring out how stuff works and how to fix it. > -- > David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver > Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 18:12:36 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Terry Biggs) Date: 29 Apr 2002 14:12:36 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] Tester modules In-Reply-To: <1020086094.24184.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1020086094.24184.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1020103958.11325.3.camel@office> On Mon, 2002-04-29 at 09:14, Jorge Chacon wrote: > God bless us all, > > I FTP-downloaded and installed the Spanish tester-only modules (to make > sure they work on GnomeSword 0.72 and to check they do not have strange > codes in them as the freely-available Valera New Testament does), but > every time I click the tab of one of them the program crashes with a > segmentation fault. > have you added the the cipher key to the .conf file for the modules causing the problem? There is a bug in gnomesword that caused a crash when an unlocked module is displayed. > I must have done something wrong, so any help on the matter would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > Jorge Chacón > > > > > > -- From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 18:24:32 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:24:32 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] Tester modules In-Reply-To: <1020103958.11325.3.camel@office> References: <1020086094.24184.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1020103958.11325.3.camel@office> Message-ID: <200204292024.32291.mg.pub@gmx.net> > have you added the the cipher key to the .conf file for the modules > causing the problem? There is a bug in gnomesword that caused a crash > when an unlocked module is displayed. Actually I think this might be a sword bug, as I already pointed out here. The filters for text retrieving seem to cause crashes in certain situations, which can occur with the almost-random text of an encrypted module. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 20:36:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Chac=F3n?=) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:36:26 -0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Tester modules In-Reply-To: <1020103958.11325.3.camel@office> Message-ID: Thanks all for answering. have you added the the cipher key to the .conf file for the modules causing the problem? There is a bug in gnomesword that caused a crash when an unlocked module is displayed. No, I have not. Where can I get them? Thanks and God bless, Jorge From sword-devel@crosswire.org Mon Apr 29 20:54:38 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:54:38 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.2beta2 -- testers wanted Message-ID: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> I just released 1.2beta2 of BibleTime, the last beta version before 1.2 final. Everybody who is interested in a clean version 1.2 for KDE 3, plus able and willing to test, please download the sources and install & test it. You find it at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=954. Thanks. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 30 00:09:29 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:09:29 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.2beta2 -- testers wanted In-Reply-To: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200204292009.30342.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> On Monday 29 April 2002 04:54 pm, Martin Gruner wrote: <>< I just released 1.2beta2 of BibleTime, the last beta version before 1.2 final. <>< Everybody who is interested in a clean version 1.2 for KDE 3, plus able and <>< willing to test, please download the sources and install & test it. You find <>< it at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=954. <>< Neat, do bookmarks and hilighting and copying sections of modules work yet? Or will that be in the next beta? (it isn't in the cvs that I got the other day) -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 30 05:58:26 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:58:26 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.2beta2 -- testers wanted In-Reply-To: <200204292009.30342.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> References: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200204292009.30342.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <200204300758.26876.mg.pub@gmx.net> > Neat, do bookmarks and hilighting and copying sections of modules work yet? > Or will that be in the next beta? (it isn't in the cvs that I got the other > day) Please explain what you are referring to. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 30 18:04:06 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:04:06 -0400 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.2beta2 -- testers wanted In-Reply-To: <200204300758.26876.mg.pub@gmx.net> References: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200204292009.30342.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> <200204300758.26876.mg.pub@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200204301404.06530.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> On Tuesday 30 April 2002 01:58 am, Martin Gruner wrote: <>< > Neat, do bookmarks and hilighting and copying sections of modules work yet? <>< > Or will that be in the next beta? (it isn't in the cvs that I got the other <>< > day) <>< <>< Please explain what you are referring to. Ok, as far as I know there currently isn't a way to add new bookmarks, just import existing ones. Also, right clicking in the index and creating a new folder just creates a folder named test that I can't do anything with. As for copying, I can't seem to select a section of text to copy or save or whatever. The most I can do is double click on a word to select it. -- David's Mailing List and Spam Receiver Keeping me relatively spam free since 2002 From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 30 18:43:49 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Martin Gruner) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:43:49 +0200 Subject: [sword-devel] BibleTime 1.2beta2 -- testers wanted In-Reply-To: <200204301404.06530.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> References: <200204292254.38455.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200204300758.26876.mg.pub@gmx.net> <200204301404.06530.mlreceiver@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <200204302043.49276.mg.pub@gmx.net> I am almost sure that you don't have the 1.2beta2 files. > Ok, as far as I know there currently isn't a way to add new bookmarks, just > import existing ones. Also, right clicking in the index and creating a new > folder just creates a folder named test that I can't do anything with. You can create folders, name them. Drag a versenumber there to create a bookmark. You can click and drag bookmarks into display windows. Hint: drag one in the editor of the personal commentary -> text gets inserted. > As for copying, I can't seem to select a section of text to copy or save or > whatever. The most I can do is double click on a word to select it. Works in 1.2beta2. Martin From sword-devel@crosswire.org Tue Apr 30 22:21:23 2002 From: sword-devel@crosswire.org (Victor Porton) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 04:21:23 +0600 Subject: [sword-devel] Module contents Message-ID: Why SWModule::getRawEntry returns char*? A module may have to say images as its elements and so void* would seem to be more appropriate. Can I use this for returning (casted to char*) a pointer to something different from text string? I need this because I am creating a module which includes "submodules" (every entry of a module is itself a complex data structure and can be considered as a module). Any thoughts? -- Victor Porton (porton@narod.ru)