<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi Markku, </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>[OSIS-USERS@crosswire.org] is technically the right place to ask this kind of question, but I can assure you that your questions will be well accepted and get much quicker responses if you post them to Sword-devel@crosswire.org instead of osis users. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>There has been some discussion about footnotes on the sword-devel list that may apply to your questions, so you may want to review the historical notes (if you can find it) of the sword-devel@crosswire.org list. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Regarding your question, from a typesetting standpoint, in paper it would be bad practice, but in electronic probably the simplest way would be to duplicate the note, as long as this is
limited activity. If there are very many of these types of footnotes, you might think about footnoting at the last point and including a reference text at the start of the footnote text to describe the complete words of which the footnote applies from the verse. That is: </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><font color="#990000">Yhdelle tyttärelle hän antoi nimeksi Jemima</font><font color="#990000">, toiselle Kesia</font><font color="#990000"> ja kolmannelle Keren-Puk</font><font color="#ff0000">*</font><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york',
times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>* Jemima, Kesia, Keren-puk : information about these folks is limited... but... </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>If you ask on sword-devel you may get a much better technical solution, I mostly work with USFM and not with OSIS, which has a way to mark footnote markers independently of footnote texts. I don't think this works in OSIS. </span></div><div style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Mike Hart (just Mike)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Markku Pihlaja <markku.pihlaja@sempre.fi><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
osis-users@crosswire.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:32 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [osis-users] Some more footnote questions<br> </font> </div> <br>
<meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv1964272920"><div>Hi again,</div><div><br></div><div>Our on-off project with the Finnish translation is on again, now really focusing on the very last details (I hope!). Working on annotations (footnotes) now, and coming across a few special cases which I'd appreciate your advice with.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Actually, I posted two questions about footnotes in December, but the remained unanswered. One of them did get its answer elsewhere, the other one is included here in these new questions.</div><div><br>
</div><div><br></div><div><b>Case 1) Several references to one footnote in a) one verse, b) two adjacent verses, c) two non-adjacent verses.</b></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div>a):</div>
<div><font color="#3333ff"><verse sID="Job 42:14" osisID="Job.42.14" /></font><font color="#990000">Yhdelle tyttärelle hän antoi nimeksi Jemima</font><font color="#ff0000">*</font><font color="#990000">, toiselle Kesia</font><font color="#ff0000">*</font><font color="#990000"> ja kolmannelle Keren-Puk</font><font color="#ff0000">*</font><font color="#3333ff">.<verse eID="Job 42:14" /></font></div>
<div><font color="#990000"><br></font></div><div>b):</div><div><font color="#3333ff"><verse sID="4. Moos. 34:5" osisID="Num.34.5" /></font><font color="#990000">kääntyy sitten Egyptin rajapuroa kohti ja jatkuu sitä pitkin mereen.</font><font color="#ff0000">*</font><font color="#3333ff"><verse eID="4. Moos. 34:5" /></p></font><br>
<font color="#3333ff"><p><verse sID="4. Moos. 34:6" osisID="Num.34.6" /></font><font color="#990000">»Läntisenä rajana on Suurimeri rantoineen.</font><font color="#ff0000">*</font><font color="#990000"> Se on teidän rajanne lännen puolella.</font></div>
<div><font color="#990000"><br></font></div><div>c):</div><div>For example in Matt.18.24 and Matt.18.28.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>All three asterisks in a) refer to the same footnote that explains the meaning of each name. In b), both the asterisk in 34:5 and the asterisk in 34:6 refer to the same footnote, and in c), there is an asterisk both in verse 24 and verse 28, but one common footnote for both.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Should I just place one note tag for example at the last or first asterisk? In a future implementation where you click on the asterisk to see the footnote, that would then leave the other asterisks unlinked and inactive. Duplicating the note would certainly not be good practice, would it?</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>Case 2) How would you form the osisID for the footnote in </b></div><div>- case 1a) </div><div>- case 1b)</div><div>- case 1c)</div><div>I believe the osisRef is obvious in all cases.</div>
<div><br></div><div>My osisID format for a normal footnote is for example "John.1.39!note". Depending on the solution to case 1), the osisID for that might be identical to the normal case. But how about 2) and 3)?</div>
<div> "Num.34.5 Num.34.6!note" looks like the note is just in verse 6, "Num.34.5!note Num.34.6!note" on the other hand looks like two notes. Or should I ignore (in the osisID) the fact that the note refers to a longer range and just use (the first?) one of the verses where it is placed - and let osisRef take care of that extra info about several verses? Or do still something else?</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>Case 3) If I have a footnote that explains a range two (OR MORE) adjacent verses and obviously has the asterisk once somewhere in the range, how should the markup look?</b></div><div>
<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div><div><font color="#3333ff"><verse sID="Matt. 23:7" osisID="Matt.23.7" /></font><font color="#990000">ja ovat hyvillään, kun ihmiset toreilla tervehtivät heitä ja kutsuvat heitä rabbiksi</font><font color="#ff0000">*</font><font color="#3333ff">.<verse eID="Matt. 23:7" /></p></font></div>
</div><div><div><font color="#3333ff"><p><verse sID="Matt. 23:8" osisID="Matt.23.8" /></font><font color="#990000">»Älkää te antako kutsua itseänne rabbiksi, sillä teillä on vain yksi opettaja ja te olette kaikki veljiä.</font><font color="#3333ff"><verse eID="Matt. 23:8" /></font></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Here, the note applies to the whole range of verses 7 and 8, even though the asterisk is just at the end of 7.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd guess the osisRef for the note to be "Matt.23.7-Matt.23.8", but what about the osisID? Should it contain the info about the longer range or should it just contain the one verse it happens to be positioned in (and again let the osisRef indicate the info about several verses)?</div>
<div><br></div><div><b>Case 4) As in 3), but the note explains two (really) separate verses instead of a contiguous range.</b></div><div><br></div><div>Exod.33.19 and Exod.34.5 both talk about "Jahve", and the footnote explains that name. However, the asterisk is only in 33.19. In a print Bible, the footnote for 33.19 at the bottom of the page mentions both verses.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also, a footnote for Rom.1.1 and Rom.1.7 (marked by an asterisk only at 1.7) explains that the beginning of 1.7 has been moved to end of 1.1.</div><div><br></div><div><b>Case 5) The asterisk for the footnote is inside a title before (and outside) the actual verse or range it refers to.</b></div>
<div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><font color="#3333ff"><title type="sub" level="4"></font></span><font color="#990000">Uudenvuodenjuhla</font><font color="#ff0000">*</font><font color="#3333ff"></title></font></div>
</div><div><div><span class="yiv1964272920Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"><font color="#3333ff"> </font></span></div></div><div><div><font color="#3333ff"><p><verse sID="3. Moos. 23:23" osisID="Lev.23.23" /></font><font color="#990000">Herra sanoi Moosekselle:</font><font color="#3333ff"><verse eID="3. Moos. 23:23" /></font><font color="#990000">...</font></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I guess this is a trivial case, just checking: I'd use osisID "Lev.23.23!note" and osisRef that indicates the range that the note refers to.</div><div><br></div><div><br>
</div><div>Once again, thanks in advance!</div><div><br></div><div>Markku</div><div><br></div>
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