[osis-core] Question on cit/citation

[Patrick Durusau]

Jim,

Trying to collapse several questions into one.

Just cutting to the cit/citation cases in this response:

Jim_Albright at wycliffe.org wrote:
> Thanks for looking at my problem domain.
> 

<snip>

> Citation_Line1 (etc): Question, you list lg but I assume l?
> 
>>>>>><citation> would be preferred
>>>>>
> 
> BTW, we have otPassage on seg. So, would <l><seg>...</seg></l>, meet the 
> need here?
> 
> Err, actually just looked at the John the Baptist example and so you 
> would want something like otPassage on lg. Hmmm, then you could do the 
> line1, line2, etc. with XSLT. Actually would reduce the amount of markup 
> you would need since if I am in a lg type=otPassage, then lines 1, 2, 
> etc. fall out from the structure. I think that works for me if it works 
> for you.
> 
>>>>>yes that is where I would want it .... but citation is more generic
>>>>>I have cases where in the introduction a key verse in the following 
>>>>
> book
> 
>>>>>is cited ... thus citation rather than otPassage.
>>>>
>

OK, but if I understand the second case (not an otPassage) then don't 
you have a <reference>key verse</reference> in the introduction?

Maybe it is a difference in terminology but I understand <reference> to 
be a citation, at least if you mean something like:

"The key verse in this book to me is <reference>John 1.1</reference>...."

Close, far away, lost?

> Citation_Paragraph: Looks like a block quote that contains a paragraph, 
> which as you know can contain a reference element. I think this is what 
> we used to call <cit> in TEI, which had a <q> followed by a <ref> (don't 
> hold me to the names) element.
> 
>>>>>>Citation Paragraph and Citation Line1 are related ... if we can put
>>>>>>a <cit> around them then we only need to put in p, l, ref ....
>>>>>
> 
> Not sure what would be different about using a block quote that contains 
> a reference element.
> 
>>>>>>>block quote is descriptive
>>>>>>>citation is meaning based
>>>>>>

Yes, but we are making the structure (hence descriptive markup) of the 
text, not its interpretation (meaning).

Besides, if we want to avoid confusion and inconsistency, then we don't 
want to have citation and blockQuote with the same content model. Some 
people will use one and some people will use the other.

> 
> Citation_Reference: Why isn't this simply a reference with a type? That 
> is to say all references are citation_references in some sense of the 
> term. Since we have an element for marking all references, why not use 
> that and add a type if necessary?
> 
>>>>>>>if we have <cit> or <citation> then just <ref> works ... the type is 
>>>>>>
> inferred by context
>

Sorry, I don't think I made that clear. A reference, at least in my 
experience is always a citation. Perhaps we are using citation differently.

Can you say a bit about how you see a citation_reference as being 
different from a reference? Whether I am inside a citation or no, it is 
still a reference and I assume we want to treat all references the same 
way? In other words, it does not matter if it is a citation_reference or 
some other sort of reference, would it?

Will try to answer a couple of more areas this afternoon but may not 
reach all of them today.

Hope you are having a great day!

Patrick


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Patrick Durusau
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Society of Biblical Literature
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