[osis-core] RE: What is happening
Todd Tillinghast
todd at contentframeworks.com
Tue Oct 12 07:26:49 MST 2004
I will quickly extend the SFM/USFM to OSIS conversion utility to process
the books after the 84 when it is clear what Bible books they are.
I think (but am still not 100% sure) that they will map to existing OSIS
Bible book names. The organization responsible for the translation may
want to make a special identification in the header (the <work> element)
to indicate that "this" translation is based off of the LXX (or some
other base source) and may need to reference a reference system other
than the one most commonly used.
If these Bible books (between Paratext number positions 85-92) are not
the case mentioned above then we need to better understand what these
texts are and add OSIS Bible book names if they are "canonical scripture
text" in the judgment of a major Christian tradition.
If they are single chapter of an existing "standard" (Paratext number
position 1-84) then we should identify that as well and we still won't
need to add new Bible book names.
Todd
> -----Original Message-----
> From: osis-core-bounces at crosswire.org [mailto:osis-core-
> bounces at crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Fred Mellings
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:30 PM
> To: Patrick.Durusau at sbl-site.org; osis-core at crosswire.org
> Cc: kdeblois at biblesocieties.org; 'David Landin'; 'Todd Tillinghast';
osis-
> core at bibletechnologieswg.org; 'Emma Canales'
> Subject: Re: [osis-core] RE: What is happening
>
> The Paratext LXX copy only leaves out ESG S3Y PS2 MAN -- it has all
the
> other 88 books (it is currently not possible to process anything at a
> position higher than 84) even if it had its bookmname name mapped to
> another.
>
> The Work I hold for processing has one book outside the OSIS range
> (position
> 91) -- As a result it can't be processed even if the Processors.conf
were
> given a mapping to an OSIS recognised book
>
> Whatever conclusion you all come too there should still be some
mechanism
> to
> allow all of the 92 to be processed within the OSIS core and be mapped
to
> their relevant name/s
>
> Fred
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Durusau" <pdurusau at emory.edu>
> To: <osis-core at crosswire.org>
> Cc: <kdeblois at biblesocieties.org>; "'Fred Mellings'"
> <fredmellings at tiscali.co.uk>; "'Todd Tillinghast'"
> <todd at contentframeworks.com>; "'David Landin'" <director at wa-uk.org>;
> <osis-core at bibletechnologieswg.org>; "'Emma Canales'"
<ecanales at sbu.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [osis-core] RE: What is happening
>
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > I am hopeful we can finally put both the latest version of the
schema
> and
> > the Users Manual to bed by the end of October.
> >
> > Seems like the book names is one of those issues we need to address.
> >
> > Any comments on how the book names came to be in the first place?
Chris
> > Little seems to indicate in a prior post that they are found in
Ralfs
> LXX.
> > Which is fine but that does not make it another book of Judges for
> > example.
> >
> > In other words, we don't have a name for the book of Judges in
Aramaic,
> > versus Greek, versus Hebrew, even if it is an old translation of the
> same.
> >
> > Hope everyone is having a great day!
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > Patrick Durusau wrote:
> >> Kees,
> >>
> >> Thanks for asking Fred for the overview and thanks to Fred for
> providing
> >> it!
> >>
> >> I see what may be part of the problem, you want to make references
to
> >> different versions by book name? Ah, ok, that makes sense. So that
you
> >> can distinguish a reference to Judges(Vaticanus) from
Judges(otherwise)?
> >> And you want it to be a standard set of names?
> >>
> >> BTW, you say: "The Septuagint contains two versions of Daniel. That
> >> goes for Susanna and Bel and the Dragon too."
> >>
> >> Does that mean we need three names for Daniel? (the standard one
plus
> two
> >> for the different versions in the Septuagint?)
> >>
> >> Questions:
> >>
> >> Does everyone agree that for reference purposes, we need standard
names
> >> to refer to the 8 books that Fred has listed?
> >>
> >> I think of these as versions, with the exception of Odae, which we
> would
> >> handle in the header for an OSIS encoded document, but I think he
wants
> >> to be able to construct references to particular versions of books.
> >> Normally I would say handle that in the OSIS header but these are
going
> >> to be common across all commentaries, etc.
> >>
> >> Comments/suggestions?
> >>
> >> Hope everyone is having a great day!
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >>> You have 84 books already listed The 66 standard books (not
listed
> >>> here) and 18 Apocrypha books (listed below) which leaves 8 books
you
> >>> don't cover
> >>> Paratext position Three letter code OSIS name
> >>> 68 Tob
Tob
> >>> 69 Jdt
Jdt
> >>> 70 Esg
> >>> AddEsth
> >>> 71 Wis
Wis
> 72
> >>> Sir Sir
> >>> 73 Bar
Bar
> >>> 74 Lje
> EpJer
> >>> 75 S3Y
> PrAzar
> >>> 76 Sus
Sus
> >>> 77 Bel
Bel
> >>> 78 1Ma
1Macc
> >>> 79 2Ma
2Macc
> >>> 80 3Ma
3Macc
> >>> 81 4Ma
4Macc
> >>> 82 1Es
1Esd
> >>> 83 2Es
2Esd
> >>> 84 Man
PrMan
> >>> 85 Ps2
> PssSol
> >>> Your software does not process any number higher than the above
> >>> The 8 books not covered in the OSIS schema are:-
> >>> Paratext position Three letter code Information from
Paratext
> >>> Chapters
> >>> 86 ODA Odae
> >>> 14
> >>> 87 PSS Psalms of
Solomon
> >>> 18
> >>> 88 JSA Joshua A
> >>> 24
> >>> 89 JDB Judges B
> >>> 21
> >>> 90 TBS Tobit S
> 14
> >>> 91 SST Susannah Th
> >>> 1
> >>> 92 DNT Daniel Th
> >>> 12
> >>> 93 BLT Bel and the
Dragon
> >>> 1
> >>> Note: Daniel Th. is the Daniel version by Theodotion
which
> is
> >>> a revision of the Septuagint. The Septuagint contains two versions
of
> >>> Daniel. That goes for Susanna and Bel and the Dragon too.
> >>>
> >>> For Joshua there are the "classic" Joshua and part of the book of
> Joshua
> >>> from the Codex Alexandrinus which has been added in Rahlfs'
version of
> >>> the Septuagint. This latter version only contains of part of
chapter
> 15.
> >>>
> >>> For Judges there are two versions as well, which are both
complete.
> The
> >>> "extra" book of Judges found in Rahlfs is the one from the Codex
> >>> Vaticanus.
> >>>
> >>> Odae is from the Septuagint as well. These are songs but they are
> >>> different from the Psalms of Solomon. The book Odae actually is a
> >>> collection of songs from both the Old and New Testaments, like the
> song
> >>> of Moses (Exodus 15), Hannah (1 Samuel 2), Mary (Luke 1), etc.
> >>>
> >>> Tobit S. is an additional version of Tobit from the Codex
Sinaiticus.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding Chapters and verses these are covered in the .vrs files
> which
> >>> you already have.
> >>> The OSIS team need to talk with someone in UBS to get this sorted
> >>> because it will keep cropping up because these books exist even
though
> >>> OSIS does not recognise them
> >>> Fred
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Todd Tillinghast <mailto:todd at contentframeworks.com>
> >>> To: 'Fred Mellings' <mailto:fredmellings at tiscali.co.uk>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 5:31 PM
> >>> Subject: RE: What is happening
> >>>
> >>> Fred,
> >>>
> >>> I am not sure which 6 you are talking about exactly but I
think
> >>> there is enough confusion that the UBS will have to make a
> statement
> >>> about at least a couple.
> >>>
> >>> Can you list the six UBS Bible book names that seem unclear to
you
> >>> along with how many chapters (and what their numbers are if
they
> >>> don?t start with ?1?) and how many verses if they only have
one
> >>> chapter?
> >>> I will offer my opinion on the ones that seem clear.
> >>>
> >>> Todd
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Fred Mellings [mailto:fredmellings at tiscali.co.uk]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:03 AM
> >>> To: Todd Tillinghast
> >>> Subject: Re: What is happening
> >>>
> >>> Todd,
> >>>
> >>> Isn't the description (from the Paratext help) that someone
sent
> >>> enough?
> >>>
> >>> Fred
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Todd Tillinghast <mailto:todd at contentframeworks.com>
> >>>
> >>> To: 'Fred Mellings' <mailto:fredmellings at tiscali.co.uk>
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:09 AM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: RE: What is happening
> >>>
> >>> Fred,
> >>>
> >>> I am not sure we can really make a reliable assessment
> regarding
> >>> the identification of the 6 extra books without the UBS
> clearly
> >>> stating what they mean for the files to be.
> >>>
> >>> Todd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Patrick Durusau
> > Director of Research and Development
> > Society of Biblical Literature
> > Patrick.Durusau at sbl-site.org
> > Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
> > Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
> >
> > Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!
> >
> >
>
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